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[02:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[02:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[02:56] <aadamson> Whew... -3 survived the equator from a couple of days ago!
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[06:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS22I after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS22I
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[06:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS22 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS22
[07:10] <Vaizki> aadamson: very nice, congrats on a great flight
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[08:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> New launch time! Shortly we got the following information about launch time: RX-21 will launch at 11.15am (UTC+1)!
[08:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://dianeproject.de/
[08:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://esrange.insupport.se/
[08:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> it will tx Mode / Driftläge: DigiMode BPSK31 Center frekvens / centerfrekvens: 21,09363 MHz Startdatum / Startdatum: 15 mars / mars 2017 EIRP / EIRP: 37 dBm Anrop / Anropssignal: DO1TUD
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[08:28] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike: ta
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[08:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> testing new PS on the tracker and it starts to tx @ 20degree solar angle , yay :) http://imgur.com/a/qHRm0
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[08:42] <fsphil> that looks great
[08:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> tnx, its an old v2, I´m up to v5 now, but its good tesing things on
[08:43] <AndyEsser> where do you get panels like that?
[08:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> its regular cheap 26x52
[08:44] <AndyEsser> is there a brand that is better than others?
[08:44] <AndyEsser> or type better suited to HAB stuff?
[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> there is higher grades more efficent ones , but much more expensive
[08:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have some 19x52 panels on its way, will likley work as well
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[08:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> using a reg710 as a 3.3v boost converter
[08:47] <AndyEsser> ah ok cool
[08:47] <AndyEsser> will have a look around
[08:47] <AndyEsser> last I looked I could only find them as like "complete units" with plastic enclosures and whatnot
[08:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=solar+52x26+100psc&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsolar+52x26+100pcs.TRS0&_nkw=solar+52x26+100pcs&_sacat=0
[08:48] <AndyEsser> o nice
[08:48] <AndyEsser> thanks
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> aliexpress half the price https://de.aliexpress.com/wholesale?spm=2114.010208.8.5.0wYMEp&initiative_id=QRW_20170315014856&SearchText=100pcs+solar&productId=32757770261
[08:50] <AndyEsser> :D
[08:50] <AndyEsser> thanks
[08:51] <AndyEsser> maybe if I keep buying stuff, I'll finally convince my brain to let me take some time off work + family to put things together
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[08:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> keep dreaming ;)
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[08:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> AndyEsser: you have a basic idea waht you want to do?? like apr /rtty / contestia , floater or up down?
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[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> combo of some of the above?
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[09:01] <fsphil> everything :)
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[09:01] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike: sorry, had to pop AFK quickly
[09:01] <AndyEsser> well I want to get around to actually launching some balloons of my own
[09:01] <AndyEsser> thinking I might just start doing "Small"/Pico's from my garden
[09:02] <AndyEsser> but I'd love to do a floater at some point
[09:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki
[09:03] <fsphil> pico floater?
[09:03] <AndyEsser> doable?
[09:04] <fsphil> definitley
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[09:04] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike: and to answer your question, as based in UK APRS would be a no - probably just RTTY
[09:04] <gonzo_> i've done a couple from the back garden. Had to be exeptionally still day, but nice when it happens
[09:04] <AndyEsser> and for a floater, I'd probably literally just have it ping GPS location once a minute or something
[09:05] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: the garden has the benefit that there aren't any buildings too close, but at the same time the wind doesn't really "get in"
[09:05] <AndyEsser> I just have to ensure it doesn't launch into the flight path for HAwarden, or head towards the airfield
[09:05] <AndyEsser> but... antenna mast first
[09:06] <AndyEsser> then get my tracker I've designed finally into PCB form
[09:06] <AndyEsser> and then look at launches
[09:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, radio and antenna first
[09:07] <gonzo_> I have a lot of clutter/houses/trees/masts, but I had one day where the minimal lift meant that I just opened my hand and let the payload rise from my palm. And it just kept going up for minutes
[09:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> I always launch from my garden
[09:07] <AndyEsser> lucky
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> its realy have to be realy moderate wind condition if its more the 3m/s its not working
[09:08] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/840853886638395393 <- new garden
[09:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> more then enough room :)
[09:09] <AndyEsser> needs a clear up and a mow...
[09:09] <AndyEsser> kids crap everywhere...
[09:10] <gonzo_> and a mast base
[09:10] <AndyEsser> I'm not putting the mast in the garden
[09:10] <AndyEsser> that's going on the side of the house, remember
[09:10] <gonzo_> btw, did you see my pics of my pole mast mounts?
[09:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, you should look in my garage and shed, no just kids stuff all over
[09:11] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: I did not
[09:11] <AndyEsser> was that thing you sent me last night?
[09:11] <AndyEsser> HAAHAHA
[09:11] <gonzo_> prob yes
[09:11] <AndyEsser> "The domain is blocked due to a security threat"
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[09:11] <AndyEsser> bad gonzo_
[09:12] <gonzo_> really? Well there is nowt there but some jpgs
[09:12] <AndyEsser> hosting warez from your domain
[09:12] <AndyEsser> yea, suspect the corporate firewall just doesn't like it :)
[09:12] <AndyEsser> also... Shed 5? how many sheds do you have?!
[09:12] <gonzo_> mast pron
[09:12] <AndyEsser> big erections
[09:13] <gonzo_> think we are at number 6 now. Though they are not all there. The numbers still stay, for memorial value
[09:13] <AndyEsser> it may also be that gonzo is a type of pornography
[09:13] <Darkside> im sure that would cover many areas
[09:13] <gonzo_> (one even has a small burial plot)
[09:14] <gonzo_> unfortunatly that pron style got it's hame long after I got my callsign
[09:14] <AndyEsser> hehe
[09:20] <gonzo_> for scale, the door on that shed is about 1m70 high. So those brackets are spaced quite close. The mast is a 24ft ali scaff
[09:20] <SIbot13> In real units: 24 ft = 7.32 m
[09:21] <gonzo_> there is an extra 10ft tv antenna pole on the top of that with the collinear
[09:21] <SIbot13> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[09:21] <Darkside> hahaha
[09:21] <Darkside> <3 SiBot
[09:23] <gonzo_> I'm adding it to my dead pool list
[09:23] <Darkside> haha
[09:23] <Darkside> gonzo_: oh
[09:23] <gonzo_> actually the scaff may be a 20footer
[09:24] <Darkside> gonzo_: im guessing your callsign is G0NZO isnt it
[09:24] <gonzo_> Haxxa, beat sibot!
[09:24] <gonzo_> yep it is
[09:24] <Darkside> niiice
[09:25] <gonzo_> at the time, you could only reserve a callsign a few months ahead. And waited till it came around for issue
[09:25] <gonzo_> I did look at g0ons, being a spike milligan fan. That was too far ahead
[09:26] <gonzo_> g0nad. I thought I could get a Viz comic Buster Gonad - and his unfeasably large testacles, T shirt for the club
[09:27] <gonzo_> but northumbria and district club has taken that (I do wonder if they realised?>!)
[09:27] <G3VZV_Graham> morning - does anyone know if the Sandringham launch is going ahead this AM?
[09:29] <gonzo_> morning graham
[09:29] <gonzo_> I assume that is one of the astrotech sponsored ones
[09:30] <gonzo_> fuzzylemon is the contact for those, but not on here yet
[09:31] <gonzo_> ..... ignore that, that launch is tomorrow.
[09:31] <G3VZV_Graham> ignoring now
[09:33] <pb0ahx> !payload!flights
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:34] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Barc191 10(6af1), 03Sandringham HAB Flight 10(b8b4), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[09:34] <pb0ahx> !payload Barc191
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:34] <pb0ahx> !payload 6af1
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03BARC2 10(6af1) 03$$BARC2 - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:35] <pb0ahx> !payload b8b4
[09:35] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03SandC2 10(b8b4) 03$$SandC2 - no transmissions
[09:35] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03SandC1 10(b8b4) 03$$SandC1 - 03Primary - 03434.175 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[09:43] <AndyEsser> not had any more word from the Mancunian Balloonian people
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[10:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[10:39] <AndyEsser> oo... guess I should remember my Callsign has changed now that I'm in Wales most of the time...
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[10:55] <pb0ahx> SandC1 and C2 not yet flying ????
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[11:12] <AndyEsser> pb0ahx: postponed until tomorrow
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DRK3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DRK3
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NLS1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NLS1
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
[11:23] <pb0ahx> AndyEsser, tnx info
[11:24] <pb0ahx> !fkights
[11:24] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Barc191 10(6af1), 03Sandringham HAB Flight 10(b8b4), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[11:24] <pb0ahx> !payload DRK3
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:25] <pb0ahx> some body know frequentie of DRK3
[11:25] <pb0ahx> or NLS1
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[11:30] <PE1ANS> !flights
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Current flights: 03Barc191 10(6af1), 03Sandringham HAB Flight 10(b8b4), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[11:30] <G3VZV_Graham> sandringham flights delayed until tomorrow
[11:31] <PE1ANS> Tnx Graham for info
[11:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:35] <PE1ANS> any info aboud DRK3 ??
[11:35] <pb0ahx> is a test i think
[11:36] <PE1ANS> on 3,4 Km high Herman???
[11:37] <pb0ahx> receivers sre a pico test
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[11:39] <pb0ahx> but Barc2 is on the map and going i think flying
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:39] <pb0ahx> ik wil test today a new antenne 10 ele vertical
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[11:43] <PE1ANS> pb0ahx qrv habnl
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[12:00] <pb0ahx> on wat time BARC2 going flying ????
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[13:01] <AndyEsser> how have I only just realised Jodrell Bank is 10 minutes from where I work...
[13:09] <edmoore> see if you can do a contact with them
[13:09] <edmoore> try on one of their observing frequencies so that they hear you
[13:09] <edmoore> maybe ask them if they need help with their radio work and point out that you have an amateur license
[13:09] <edmoore> wait for the limo to come round and pick you up
[13:10] <AndyEsser> eh?
[13:25] <craag> lol
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[13:35] <gonzo_> and out would come the heavies, with big sticks
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[13:36] <gonzo_> I heard a story of a contractor who was on site with a wireless mouse. Some thing from .cn that transmitted on odd freqs
[13:37] <gonzo_> he came back from lunch break to find it upside down batts removed and nailed to a piece of wood, with a polite note
[13:37] <gonzo_> the canteen microiwave oven has a faraday cage
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[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sandringham_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sandringham_chase
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[14:56] <pb0ahx> Barc2 also canseld ????
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[15:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> +å¨'ä
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[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SandC2 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC2
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SandC1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC1
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[15:59] <on7ndr> which ballooon is in the air ?
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[16:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ECSHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ECSHAB
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kobrajede_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kobrajede_chase
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[18:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03snek-tucnak-lenochod_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=snek-tucnak-lenochod_chase
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[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ODZUJF after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ODZUJF
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[19:00] <tweetBot2> @G7IGB: 434 MHz balloons to launch in School Space Race... https://t.co/hZqSmIkTTc #amateurradio #hamradio #ukhas
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[20:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> aadamsson: did you get your balloons used on hirfw3 / 6 from http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/ ?
[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> and if so did you get any words on what plastic they use in their balloons?
[20:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> aadamson: ^^^^
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[20:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HL1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HL1
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[21:24] <richardeoin> SA6BSS-Mike: yeah they're PA-EVOH of some variant, probably PE on the inside
[21:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, tnx
[21:24] <richardeoin> there's have various trade names for it, 'Heptax' being one http://www.gunze.co.jp/e/plastic/products/heptax.html
[21:25] <richardeoin> 1 mil thickness as it says
[21:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats thin 25.4 micrometers, yours 2 mil iirc
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[21:27] <richardeoin> yup
[21:28] <richardeoin> 1 mil is more common I think
[21:28] <richardeoin> for a given balloon size, 1 mil gets you higher but less payload
[21:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, realy need to get my hand on some of that material!
[21:29] <richardeoin> whilst 2 mil is the opposite
[21:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki, that I did not know
[21:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> interesting
[21:29] <aadamson> yeah, it's heptax 525 and its actually 1.5mil thick
[21:29] <aadamson> 7 layer film
[21:29] <aadamson> google heptax layers and you'll find it's info
[21:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> tnx , will do
[21:30] <aadamson> no noticable permeation after 205+ days
[21:30] <aadamson> :)
[21:30] <aadamson> on H2
[21:30] <aadamson> as you'd probably expect, it's only sealable on one side
[21:30] <aadamson> and it's a PITA to work with as it *curls* really bad
[21:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> hirfw-3 you talking about?
[21:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, I read some of the articles about heptax and curls is what repeats over and over
[21:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> ha, did notice it was you aadamson :) you two haveallmost the same coulor on your name in the ircclient
[21:32] <richardeoin> Ron's racking up the prices though, 189 USD now :p
[21:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> its more then a bit steap!!
[21:33] <richardeoin> pretty sure every flight we've done has cost less than that
[21:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, the tracker is dont o about 10dolars to make know
[21:33] <richardeoin> except the current iridium one if you count the cost of that payload
[21:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> ofc
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[21:44] <richardeoin> It would be nice to use Hydrogen, would give about ~800m more altitude on ubseds flights
[21:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, read somewhere it gor about 8% more lifting capacity compared ti HE
[21:45] <richardeoin> but getting hold of it is more of a pain, don't think anyone does home deliveries of it in the UK
[21:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> same problem here, not easy to get hold of
[21:46] <richardeoin> yeah so it's just the difference in atomic weight
[21:47] <richardeoin> air is ~29, He is 4 and H2 is 2
[21:48] <richardeoin> so it's 29-4 compared to 29-2
[21:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[21:49] <aadamson> 10 dollars, you must get really cheap gps' those are the most expensive part on the board by a bunch :)
[21:50] <aadamson> it's good for a solid 1000m on one of these .5 liter balloons
[21:50] <aadamson> H2 that is
[21:51] <aadamson> but my entire payload weight with antennas, tape, etc is only 7-8grams
[21:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> as im not going to get over 12000m in the near time I going for cheap 5-7 dollars modules
[21:52] <aadamson> richardeoin, what gps did they use on the IR flight? to bad, you are only using IR numbers, but they have been remarkably good.
[21:52] <aadamson> ah... yeah, they guys over here are doing that too and then cussing when they fly over 10km :)
[21:52] <aadamson> and die
[21:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> if / when I comming close to or over 12000m I switching to ublox 8 series
[21:53] <aadamson> I have some new eva m8m's that I'll try as some point... never liked the max-8's, they were worse than the 7's in my experience for current
[21:53] <aadamson> and I'm down to about 5mA total run current with the gps on, no radios TXing
[21:53] <aadamson> the eva-7m's are really good, better than the MAX
[21:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> messurd the amps from the solar cells and it puched 100mA :) still it started tx from 19degrees solar angle with panels weight of 2.2grams
[21:55] <aadamson> I found a really old bug in my code (not really a bug per se). I was turning off clocks, peripherals, etc to min current at sleep time. BUT on the uart for some reason, when I reversed the on process to get rid of DMA
[21:55] <richardeoin> aadamson: it's a 'Global Top' FGPMM0PA6H
[21:56] <aadamson> etc, I messed up and turned off the clock to the UART before I disabled it... duh, has 1mA of current that I didn't mean to have on and it wouldn't shut off because the lcok for the peripheral was off before I tried to turn the perhiperal off... :(
[21:56] <aadamson> richardeoin, ah, I saw something that it crapped out at around 8500m?
[21:56] <richardeoin> apparently it had the same issue at 10km on their CSBF flight
[21:57] <richardeoin> yeah so it's on a 1 hour cycle, next point would have been > 10km
[21:57] <aadamson> ah... live and learn, the ublox simply work (at least to 12500 if you don't do anything) and to 50km if you do :)
[21:57] <richardeoin> yes I hope they've learnt their lesson :p
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[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSISP after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSISP
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