highaltitude.log.20170311

[00:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[00:53] <jc> Hello, I am building a camera setup and I need to timetag or add the GPS time to my images. Is there a way to extract the GPS-PPS time without making an NTP server of my raspberry PI? I am using the Uputronics Raspberry Pi+ GPS Expansion Board
[00:56] <Darkside> numerous ways
[00:56] <Darkside> are you only using the GPS for timing?
[00:56] <Darkside> also tbh setting the system clock to GPS time is probably a nice solution
[00:56] <Darkside> as that way all your file system timestamps are correct too
[00:59] <jc> I am using the GPS for timing and location.
[00:59] <jc> But it needs to work standalone
[01:02] <jc> what I have donde so far is to synchronize the rpi clock to the GPS, but that is not a good option in the field.
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[01:02] <Ian_> Imagemagick is your friend and can be used to annotate images and a lot more. The convert command from bash is good to go.
[01:02] <Ian_> http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/annotating/
[01:03] <Darkside> yeah, plenty of ways to do overlays
[01:03] <Darkside> i also have a ublox interface library that might help
[01:04] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/blob/master/tx/ublox.py
[01:04] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/blob/master/tx/ublox.py#L1159
[01:04] <Darkside> its fairly easy to run
[01:05] <Darkside> just instantiate a UBloxGPS object and either use the callback, or poll it for the state using the read_state() function
[01:05] <Darkside> which just returns a python dictionary
[01:05] <Darkside> which contains this data: https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/blob/master/tx/ublox.py#L902
[01:07] Action: Ian_ sneaks off to bed
[01:09] <Ian_> I think that daveake pretty much does the annotation via a bash script using convert (imagemagick)
[01:10] <Darkside> yeah
[01:11] <Darkside> i do it in a similar way: https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/blob/master/tx/tx_picam_gps.py#L94
[01:11] <Darkside> its not particularly intuitive
[01:13] <jc> Thank you, so if I understand, somehow you get the PPS-GPS time and stored in the file header?
[01:13] <Darkside> er
[01:13] <Darkside> in this case, no
[01:13] <Darkside> the ublox library does the comms with the gps, and gets me the latest gps solution (including time) in a easy-ish to use format
[01:14] <Darkside> in my case the gps data is added as an overlay on the image
[01:14] <Darkside> however you probably want to use one of the command line exif utilities to add the timestamp and position info in
[01:15] <jc> Ok, the time that your record has subsecond resolution?
[01:15] <Darkside> hm
[01:15] <Darkside> not sure actually
[01:15] <Darkside> oh
[01:16] <Darkside> well the GPS fixes occur at whatevver rate you set, up to a max of 10Hz i think
[01:16] <Darkside> in this case its just giving the timestamp of the most recent GPS fix
[01:16] <Darkside> so that could be up to a second old
[01:16] <Darkside> if you are wanting to timestamp to sub-1-second resolution, then i think setting the system time is goign to be a better option for you
[01:18] <jc> Do you know if its possible to set the system as an standalone NTP server?
[01:18] <Darkside> how so you mean?
[01:19] <Darkside> you mean without any local reference?
[01:19] <Darkside> using the gps to discipline the local clock is probably one of the better solutions here
[01:20] <jc> Yes, that is what I mean
[01:20] <Darkside> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=726
[01:20] <Darkside> well there's Upu's guide
[01:21] <jc> Yes, but in the guide it says that an external NTP server is requiered
[01:22] <Ian_> if it's standalone then it doesn't need to be a server, does it? Just set the sytem time and: date "+%D %H %M %S"
[01:23] <jc> Yes, you are correct. But because of the nature of my experiment I need to have a %S.%f time
[01:23] <Ian_> You could use an external NTP server, but that would break your first paradigm of being stand-alone
[01:23] <Darkside> jc: what camera are you using?
[01:23] <Darkside> picam?
[01:23] <jc> a Pi Cam
[01:23] <Darkside> ok
[01:23] <Darkside> yeah ok you can get pictures with low latency off the
[01:23] <Darkside> off them*
[01:23] <Darkside> if you dont use the command line utility anyway
[01:25] <Ian_> I suspect that we can feed you the principles, but the answer is dependent upon your expanding question and for you to flesh out from the heads up given.
[01:25] <Ian_> Night all,
[01:26] <jc> I am using the camera to a picture every millisecond, and I need an accurate timing for each of them
[01:27] <Darkside> every millisecond?
[01:27] <Darkside> and you're fixing the exposure settings to make sure the exposure time is <1/1000 s
[01:28] <Darkside> can the picam even do 1000fps?
[01:28] <Darkside> a quick google suggests not
[01:28] <Ian_> Maybe time to second and a serial number. I suspect that you want something faster than a RPi3 or must scale back your ambitions. Go with one per second first and then when you have that working then you have the principles and a new challenge
[01:32] <jc> So far is working not at 1 ms, but at 90FPS
[01:34] <Darkside> which i suspect is getting close to the most you'll be able to get out of it
[01:35] <Darkside> you will end up hitting camera interface throughput and disk IO limitations
[01:38] <Ian_> \msg Darkside why do novices always want to outdo what the best have managed to reach, at their first attempt with 'your' answers. You didn't see this one coming properly :)
[01:38] <jc> You are probably right
[01:39] Action: Ian_ note to self it's /msg not \msg - caught red handed :(
[01:39] <Darkside> >_>
[01:41] <Ian_> OK jc, just do things progressively is the best way forward. That way you are solving smaller problems each time; rather than one big one.
[01:42] <Ian_> defo GN this time though. I have to be up in the morning, bright eyed and bushy tailed.
[01:43] <jc> Thank, but in any case the timetag requiered for the images is less than a second, so how I can dissipline the rpi clock or get a sub-second timing resolution out of the gps?
[01:46] <Darkside> use the ntp instructions as linked before
[01:46] <Darkside> it shoudl still work even if it cant contact an external ntp server
[01:48] <jc> ok, thanks.
[01:52] <Ian_> The RPi clock should be sufficiently accurate once you have set the time from the GPS. under C the gettimeofday() is good for usecond, if you can set the time that accurately in the first place,
[01:52] <Ian_> +
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[04:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[05:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03eggbutt_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=eggbutt_chase
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[05:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5IX-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5IX-9_chase
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[06:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
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[08:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:35] <coloradoan_> hi all!
[09:36] <coloradoan_> anybody around?
[09:37] <daveake> There's always someome
[09:37] <coloradoan_> are you guys looking for additional ground stations?
[09:37] <coloradoan_> i have an Ettus USRP sitting around next to my RTL2832
[09:39] <coloradoan_> i'm in the american midwest, fwiw
[09:40] <daveake> I think the vast majority of USA flights use APRS, so an APRS iGate would be a good idea.
[09:40] <daveake> Most people in this channel are outside USA, where APRS is used less (or not at all) and RTTY predominates
[09:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CZ_HAB_OL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CZ_HAB_OL
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[10:06] <coloradoan_> ah, i see
[10:06] <coloradoan_> thanks
[10:06] <coloradoan_> heard about this through picospace.net
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[10:07] <coloradoan_> he appears to use APRS
[10:09] <coloradoan_> oh, and WSPR
[10:10] <coloradoan_> and JT9
[10:11] <Vaizki> yes, HF long range slow modes are his thing
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[10:18] <coloradoan_> cool guy, would love to chat if he's ever on here
[10:20] <coloradoan_> love the designs -- highly integrated, but quite simple and low-cost in reality
[10:23] <coloradoan_> anyone seen those new b200 mini USRPs? i have the old b200 which is a bit larger
[10:23] <coloradoan_> they're so cute
[10:24] <fsphil> stuck in hackrf budget land here :)
[10:24] <coloradoan_> ahah i got mine as scrap from a company :)
[10:25] <fsphil> ah sweet
[10:25] <coloradoan_> but yes, they are very spendy
[10:26] <coloradoan_> somewhat odd designs as well
[10:27] <fsphil> I don't do anything interesting enough to need 56 mhz of bandwidth
[10:27] <coloradoan_> i still haven't been able to receive properly modulated WFM on them
[10:27] <coloradoan_> who does, really
[10:27] <fsphil> huh
[10:27] <coloradoan_> they are incredibly overpowered
[10:27] <fsphil> video is about the only thing I've done that needs a decent amount of bw
[10:28] <coloradoan_> oh, i haven't seen anybody need 56 mhz except wireless communications cos
[10:28] <coloradoan_> that's true, i've only worked with voice so far
[10:29] <coloradoan_> but it would be interesting to bounce video off a city or something
[10:29] <coloradoan_> the stock ducky antennas are a bit disappointing to be honest
[10:30] <coloradoan_> i'm hoping to catch funcube on its orbit tomorrow or sunday
[10:30] <fsphil> they usually are. just enough to get it up and running
[10:30] <coloradoan_> mhm
[10:32] <coloradoan_> it only does 10 dBm
[10:33] <coloradoan_> not terribly familiar with levels - is that comparable to picospace's lowpower transmissions?
[10:34] <coloradoan_> I've been using gnuradio which is somewhat clunky with the usrp
[10:35] <fsphil> most uk flights use 10mw at least. not allowed to use more
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GSCOTF after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GSCOTF
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[16:04] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03CZ_HAB_OL_FOR_MODEL 10(3021), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[20:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[20:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X3
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[22:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sandringham_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sandringham_chase
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[23:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ODZUJF after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ODZUJF
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:54] <vk3pb> hello?
[23:54] <Darkside> hello?
[23:54] <vk3pb> lol
[23:54] <Darkside> <-- VK5QI
[23:54] <vk3pb> hi vk5qu
[23:55] <vk3pb> i mean vk4qi
[23:55] <vk3pb> oops
[23:55] <vk3pb> vk5qi
[23:55] <vk3pb> got it
[23:55] <Darkside> i do know VK5QU :P
[23:55] <vk3pb> lol
[23:55] <Darkside> i saw something on the tracker a few days ago from you..
[23:55] <vk3pb> I did my first balloon launch last friday
[23:55] <Darkside> ah
[23:56] <Darkside> not much got into the tracker
[23:56] <vk3pb> 36" qualatex balloon launched from mt dandenong
[23:56] <vk3pb> only got 3 packets
[23:56] <Darkside> ouch
[23:56] <Darkside> going straight to pico payloads isnt easy
[23:56] <vk3pb> it has been suggested that I overfilled the balloon but personally i doubt it. it did not look so full.
[23:57] <Darkside> i'd be more concerned about only getting in 3 packets!
[23:57] <vk3pb> it rose to just under 3km
[23:57] <Darkside> this was APRS, right?
[23:58] <Darkside> we need a version of the tears for fears song: "Everybody wants to rule (circumnavigate) the world"
[23:58] <vk3pb> no wspr
[23:58] <vk3pb> 2017-03-10 02:52 0Q7BQE 14.097054 +9 0 QF22 +40 10.000 VK3WHO QF22rl 44 27 2720 meters (88 m/min - 1.47 m/s) 2017-03-10 02:50 VK3PB 14.097054 +8 0 QF22pd +7 0.005 VK3WHO QF22rl 40 25 QF22qe 2017-03-10 02:42 0W7CQD 14.097053 +6 0 QF22 +47 50.119 VK3WHO QF22rl 44 27 1840 meters (78 m/min
[23:58] <Darkside> oh
[23:59] <vk3pb> Let me try that again
[23:59] <Darkside> hrm you wouldnt be working with someone from nova systems woudl you?
[23:59] <Darkside> roger melton
[23:59] <vk3pb> 2017-03-10 02:32 0Z7AQD 14.097051 +1 1 QF22 +3 0.002 VK3WHO QF22rl 44 27 1060 meters 2017-03-10 02:30 VK3PB 14.097051 +1 1 QF22pd +3 0.002 VK3WHO QF22rl 40 25 QF22qd
[23:59] <vk3pb>
[23:59] <vk3pb> 2017-03-10 02:42 0W7CQD 14.097053 +6 0 QF22 +47 50.119 VK3WHO QF22rl 44 27 1840 meters (78 m/min - 1.30 m/s) 2017-03-10 02:40 VK3PB 14.097052 +5 0 QF22pd +3 0.002 VK3WHO QF22rl 40 25 QF22qd
[23:59] <vk3pb>
[23:59] <vk3pb> 2017-03-10 02:52 0Q7BQE 14.097054 +9 0 QF22 +40 10.000 VK3WHO QF22rl 44 27 2720 meters (88 m/min - 1.47 m/s) 2017-03-10 02:50 VK3PB 14.097054 +8 0 QF22pd +7 0.005 VK3WHO QF22rl 40 25 QF22qe
[23:59] <vk3pb>
[23:59] <Darkside> yeah i havent done anything with WSPR payloads
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