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[04:52] <ve6azx> ve6azx-14 is still going
[04:52] <ve6azx> working well - better than I expected
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[07:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GSCOTF after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GSCOTF
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[09:34] <garymortimer> Now then now then, morning all
[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC2
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC1
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[11:16] <Roke> Hi! I would like to request the approval of the following flight configuration: 3cc5bf10ab854718ef45a3b42661c77a. We have permission, a NOTAM has been issued and telemetry is working correctly. Many thanks!
[11:17] <mfa298> Roke: you should join the #habhub channel (/join #habhub) and ask in there
[11:17] <mfa298> there's a bot that will do some basic checks, then if all is good an admin will appear at some point to approve it
[11:17] <Roke> I will. Thanks!
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0312CHALL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=12CHALL
[11:40] <AndyEsser> hmm... Radioworld have sold out of the 50m drums of Westflex 103...
[11:40] <AndyEsser> can I justify buying 100m...
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:45] <gonzo_> go straight to westlake?
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[11:46] <AndyEsser> hmm, they apparently don't have 50m drums
[11:47] <AndyEsser> and the price per metre is the same as RW
[11:47] <AndyEsser> £150 + £10 delivery for a 100m drum
[11:49] <gonzo_> can you not use 213 and put an lna/pa up the mast/loft/shed?
[11:50] <AndyEsser> ah there we go -
[11:50] <AndyEsser> is westflex 103 really 2x better for loss than rg213?
[11:57] <LazyLeopard> It's a bit trickier to work with; larger minimum radius of curvature (IIRC) and a lot stiffer...
[11:58] <AndyEsser> the w103 is trickier to work with?
[11:59] <LazyLeopard> Yes
[12:00] <gonzo_> and custom connectors
[12:00] <LazyLeopard> It has a solid centre conductor.
[12:00] <LazyLeopard> ...yeah, and those...
[12:00] <AndyEsser> yea, saw that when looking around
[12:00] <AndyEsser> I'm about to order the 50m drum of rg213 (matches what I use elsewhere) and the large format N and PL259 connectors
[12:00] <gonzo_> if you want low loss. get some ldf450
[12:00] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: PM'd you
[12:01] <gonzo_> or 550. that would work ad a mast!
[12:03] <AndyEsser> I get to spend hours shouting at the connectors again when putting it all together... yay
[12:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> in a rx only system nothing beets high end sat/tv antenna cable in price , performance and easy to work with
[12:06] <AndyEsser> yea, heard simialr things before
[12:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> ordered a manometer http://www.ebay.com/itm/351922286722
[12:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> hopefully I can get the prestreach right on the qualatex
[12:14] <Laurenceb> measure your manlyness
[12:15] <Vaizki> mano-a-mano-meter
[12:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> the pressure is overwhelming
[12:19] <fsphil> lets not stretch this one too far
[12:25] <daveake> Don't want to get barred
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[12:36] <kokey> ok time for me to build a new payload
[12:37] <kokey> what radios popular lately, the rfm ones still?
[12:37] <kokey> and GPS, still one of the ublox ones?
[12:38] <AndyEsser> Ublox GPS and then an RFM or MTX radio seems to be good atm
[12:38] <AndyEsser> if you don't want to go the Lora route
[12:41] <kokey> oh, Upu's got a new domain now
[12:41] <AndyEsser> indeed
[12:44] <kokey> oh, right, LoRa
[12:44] <kokey> people use LoRa nowadays instead of rtty?
[12:45] <fsphil> some do
[12:45] <AndyEsser> it's a mix
[12:45] <AndyEsser> daveake does some good things with lora
[12:45] <AndyEsser> RTTY has the benefit obviously of a low barrier to entry
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[12:45] <AndyEsser> but the number of Lora rx stations aren't as high
[12:46] <fsphil> there's no useable software decoder
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[12:46] <kokey> so these rfm95/98 units, can they also be abused to make them do rtty?
[12:46] <fsphil> yep
[12:46] <kokey> sweet
[12:47] <kokey> so you can alternate between the two if that makes sense
[12:47] <fsphil> you can set it up in FSK mode and have it driven by one of the GPIO pins
[12:48] <kokey> ah, that's sortof similar to how people were doing it radiometrix modules?
[12:48] <fsphil> yeah, though this is a digital input
[12:48] <fsphil> you can also do it all through the i2c link by toggling the frequency
[12:48] <fsphil> but that may result in a noisy signal
[12:49] <kokey> sounds like a win all round, these modules are cheap and looks like even my bad soldering can work with it
[12:49] <fsphil> they can be a little tricky to get working, but there are plenty of examples out there now
[12:50] <Vaizki> there are lots of modules that will work in sending rtty but not all of them are suitable, some may drift a lot in low temperatures
[12:50] <fsphil> the old rfm's where awful for that
[12:50] <kokey> I used an arduino pro mini last time, not sure what's out there nowadays
[12:50] <fsphil> for a basic tracker that's probabpy still fine
[12:51] <kokey> I spent some time writing C code for the ESP8266 last year
[12:51] <kokey> there's probably better ways to write for the atmel/arduinos now that doesn't involve the arduino IDE (unless the IDE has gotten better)
[12:51] <AndyEsser> kokey: you can program the Atmel ICs direct in C/C++
[12:51] <kokey> I prefer using vim and some scripts
[12:52] <kokey> yeah I used an older rfm before and it was driftalicious
[12:52] <daveake> "unless the IDE has gotten better"
[12:53] <daveake> 'scuse me while I die laughing :/
[12:53] <AndyEsser> lol
[12:53] <fsphil> makefile + avr-gcc + avrdude
[12:53] <AndyEsser> ^
[12:53] <fsphil> + your editor of choice (as long as it is vim)
[12:53] <daveake> hah
[12:53] <AndyEsser> *cough* Nano/Sublime *cough*
[12:53] <AndyEsser> sorry
[12:53] <AndyEsser> I know I am a blasphemer in this group
[12:53] <kokey> well, you never know... some software gets better, sometimes ;-)
[12:54] <daveake> Met a couple, with kid, at the Pi party. Apparently they met "on the internet" and their first discussion on meeting for real was that he used Vim and she used Emacs
[12:54] <AndyEsser> ha
[12:54] <daveake> Surprisingly neither died
[12:54] <daveake> I did ask "Yes, but how about tabs vs spaces" but they didn't respond
[12:54] <fsphil> lol
[12:54] <kokey> haha
[12:54] Action: AndyEsser refrains from answering
[12:55] <fsphil> tabs of course
[12:55] <AndyEsser> good boy fsphil
[12:55] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:55] <daveake> + ^t 1
[12:55] <kokey> yup, tabs here
[12:55] <fsphil> recent vim defaults in fedora are messing with my tabs
[12:55] <fsphil> I don't like it
[12:55] <AndyEsser> I'd have suspected from vehement space supporters in here
[12:55] <AndyEsser> s/from/some
[12:55] <kokey> thing is if you want to keep the good old ways, just work with smaller and smaller hardware
[12:56] <kokey> ok so for a camera, surely there's something better than an old canon powershot nowadays?
[12:57] <kokey> that said I've got three in a drawer at home, I might as well lose a few of them first
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[12:58] <fsphil> plenty better, how much you want to spend? :)
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[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are also cheap gimbals, which might dramatically improve performance of any camera
[12:59] <kokey> I'll see after I lose the powershots, but I suppose you can lighter and with nice wide angles and stabalisation and huge dynamic range etc.
[12:59] <fsphil> the pi camera is surprisingly good for its size
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> You don't need HDR from altitude - unless you're pointed at the sun
[12:59] <kokey> is the helium shortage still being felt?
[12:59] <fsphil> but then you need a pi
[13:00] <kokey> I suppose hydrogen just makes sense anyway
[13:01] <kokey> does 18650 cells work at low temps at all?
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> kokey: Under ~10C, performance is limited.
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> I assume you know that 9900mAh ultrafires aren't?
[13:03] <kokey> I've got some ultrafires at home
[13:03] <kokey> I know all about them, learned the hard way
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> https://industrial.panasonic.com/cdbs/www-data/pdf2/ACI4000/ACI4000C12.pdf - for example.
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> This is a decent panasonic cell, and will probably cost you around 6 quid
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> It goes down to -20C
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> The general suggestion is primary AA lithium 1.5V cells.
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> they go ratehr colder than -20C
[13:05] <kokey> I think they are lighter too
[13:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[13:40] <Ian_> AndyEsser RG213? Great if you are working a lot of HF, but at UHF WestFlex, EcoFlex or Aircell is surely the way to go. For the most part it's a one off cost, with the correct connectors not cheap generic, not quite fitting types bought on price alone.
[13:41] <Ian_> Then, unless you happen to move, the cables are likely to be in for a decade or more.
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[13:41] <daveake> Probably help hold up the house too
[13:41] <Ian_> Suddenly they don't look quite as expensive when viewed as annual cost over their life time.
[13:42] <Ian_> :)
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HYRST - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HYRST
[13:47] <AndyEsser> Yea, when I come to set up the mast properly at home I'll use the Westflex
[13:47] <AndyEsser> grabbed a drum of RG213 for this quickly
[13:50] <AndyEsser> just need to work out how large the bolts are going to be for the mast bracket...
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[13:55] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39198427
[13:55] <Laurenceb> laughing hard
[13:55] <Laurenceb> got as far as Loughborough for sport.
[13:57] <kokey> haha
[14:00] <nick_> I only found out there was a university of Sussex when I drove past it recently.
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[14:02] <nick_> (Or at least that's what I joke to one of my friends who works there now)
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[14:04] <AndyEsser> I'm amazed it wasn't top for like... Hairdressing or Nails or something
[14:04] <AndyEsser> anyone I knew that went to the Uni of Sussex was studying those sorts of subjects
[14:04] <Laurenceb> PhD in nail studies
[14:05] <AndyEsser> indeed
[14:10] <nick_> They have a small particle physics group, I know.
[14:12] <AndyEsser> as in the group is small
[14:12] <AndyEsser> or the particles said group studies?
[14:13] <nick_> Fundemanetal particles don't really have a size, so...
[14:14] <nick_> Fundamental
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope HYRST have fixed their Meridian bug!
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> otherwise we won't hear it for very long!
[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sandringham test_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sandringham%20test_chase
[14:27] <garymortimer> Standing by to standby on Farnham
[14:28] <garymortimer> I'm quite good with pubs until about Arras ;-)
[14:29] <garymortimer> Out of choice a pint by the seaside would be good!
[14:30] <fsphil> nice day for it
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[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03$$MancBalloonian_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%24%24MancBalloonian_chase
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[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha there up
[14:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MancBalloonian after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MancBalloonian
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[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite a deep null in there aerial this time ...
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> made it across the Nerdian at least!
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> mERIDIAN
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[15:09] <PE2BZ> mEriDeAn ?
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lots of dodgy Cap keys today ;-)
[15:10] <PE2BZ> !flights
[15:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03HYRST EPSOM OUTREACH 10(ef01), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[15:10] <PE2BZ> !dial ef01
[15:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03HYRST EPSOM 10(ef01): 03434.6 MHz, 434.4 MHz, 434.3989 MHz, 434.39974 MHz
[15:11] <AndyEsser> Barc are waiting on a number of approvals in #habhub
[15:22] <PE2BZ> The Kurhaus in Scheveningen is on fire.... started in the kitchen
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[15:24] <PE1ANS> !flights
[15:24] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Current flights: 03HYRST EPSOM OUTREACH 10(ef01), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[15:37] <PE2BZ> Hi. Is the shift for hyrst about 450 ?
[15:37] <fsphil> nerdian is where we all aspire to go :)
[15:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> 425 works great
[15:38] <PE2BZ> Revenge of the nerdians :-)
[15:38] <PE2BZ> Thanks Mike
[15:38] <PE2BZ> It´s on the waterfall. No decode yet
[15:41] <daveake> Nerdian Prime. What a planet.
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[15:51] <Alex_______> What omnidirectional magmount antenna do you guys recommend
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[15:54] <Alex_______> What omnidirectional magmount antenna do you guys recommend
[15:56] <outlawaol> pls, we seen your message the first time
[15:56] <G8FJG> If you can try HYRST with H pol 10db better here...but very deep nulls
[15:57] <G8FJG> Or too many birds on the V pol antenna !!
[15:57] <Alex_______> ?
[15:58] <PE2BZ> Alex for which use ? HAB rx ?
[15:59] <Alex_______> For the chase car
[15:59] <Alex_______> To plug into habamp
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[15:59] <G8FJG> Sorry Alex I have no experience of omni magmount
[16:00] <Alex_______> What do you use?
[16:00] <G8FJG> Long yagis
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[16:00] <PE2BZ> A magmount for 70 cm radio amateur use. If you have no idea to do something else with radio I would go for a single band antenna, but if you get caught by the radio virus a dual band for 144 and 430 MHz will be ok
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[16:01] <PE2BZ> Assuming you are in the EU, given the frequency use
[16:03] <G8FJG> didnt take HYRST long to get across Channel @135mph
[16:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> its not verry critical, all will work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nagoya-UT-106UV-SMA-M-SMA-Male-Dual-Band-UHF-VHF-2m-70cm-Magnetic-Mini-Antenna-/231965437082?hash=item360237ac9a:g:NcsAAOSwMNxXUF-t
[16:03] <PE2BZ> But back trunk mount is also possible, it clamps between the trunk and the car http://www.ebay.com/itm/UV-Dual-Band-100W-Mobile-Ham-Car-Radio-Antenna-Diamond-Antenna-SGM507-144-430MHz-/311642169754?hash=item488f52219a:g:fbMAAOSwM4xXbIwc
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[16:09] <Ian_> PE2BZ That's definitely going to affect their 5-Star rating and reduce the menu choices :)
[16:09] <Ian_> Crepes are always over rated anyhow!
[16:10] <PE2BZ> I would go for the 31 mm magnet and add superglue ;-)
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[16:12] <Alex_______> What yagi antenna do you recommend
[16:12] <Alex_______> Last question
[16:12] <PE2BZ> Not sure.... For portable use ? To find the payload back ?
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[16:13] <daveake> small one
[16:13] <Alex_______> Yea
[16:13] <Alex_______> Any links for example?
[16:14] <PE2BZ> For non portable I use this one https://www.truckerswereld.nl/sirio-wy380-10n/
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[16:14] <PE2BZ> and for portable use I use an channel 21 TV yagi
[16:16] <PE2BZ> that is 470 MHz over here, in the dump 7 elements for 15 Euro I paid
[16:16] <Alex_______> I mean portable
[16:16] <Alex_______> For df
[16:18] <daveake> There's an Arrow one too that's popular
[16:19] <PE2BZ> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Labgear-Log-Periodic-Wideband-Freeview-Outdoor-4G-Digital-TV-Aerial-Caravan-38CM-/112221319166?hash=item1a20e96ffe:g:1YsAAOSw44BYT9yl
[16:19] <PE2BZ> Also usable for 868 MHz
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[16:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTA
[16:31] <Alex___> The yagi is massive and expensivs
[16:31] <Alex___> Are there not smaller cheaper ones to use for portable df
[16:32] <daveake> Like the one I linked to ?
[16:32] <Alex___> It was £40
[16:32] <Alex___> And a BIG
[16:32] <daveake> It's not at all big
[16:33] <daveake> Some people use http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/440-3ii.html
[16:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-ABY7LB-Vormast-Richtantenne-fur-350-500-MHz-70cm-Band-mit-BNC-Buchse-/162399366193?hash=item25cfc1ac31:g:F1IAAOSweW5U~r9g
[16:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats the one I´m using tracking mostly wx sondes on the ground
[16:38] <Alex___> What about making your own someone once suggested
[16:38] <Alex___> How difficult and expensive
[16:40] <adamgreig> it won't be smaller and it will likely be worse
[16:40] <adamgreig> the materials to make it are simple but if you want to tune it to be actually good you'll need expensive lab equipment
[16:41] <Alex___> So is the cheapest like £40 then?
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[16:49] <LazyLeopard> You might find one cheaper. You could try making one by cutting up a metal tape measure. Certainly possible (even for 70cms, though a smaller tape measure might work better there) but potentially a bit of a faff (needing some careful measuring etc...).
[16:50] <Alex___> How essential are the yagi
[16:50] <LazyLeopard> Won't last long if you stick it on a mast and leave it there for the next storm, but OK for waving around to hunt down your payload when it's in a tree in the woods...
[16:50] <Alex___> I might get the moonraker
[16:50] <Alex___> I'm talking portable handheld ones btw
[16:51] <daveake> Depends on where the balloon lands. Actual DF-ing is rare but sometimes it's tricky to get a decode from the road because the payload is too far away / in a ditch / down a valley
[16:51] <LazyLeopard> For base-station tracking a colinear will probably do just as well. For DF you want the directionality, and a yagi will give you that.
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[16:52] <daveake> DF can give you an idea where to go to get closer, if the signal is very weak
[16:52] <daveake> But usually you'll get a decode and then you're set
[16:52] <Alex___> Yeah because I was advised here that just the magmount antenna and you guys would be fine
[16:52] <Alex___> Yagi is a plus
[16:53] <Alex___> Base station not essential
[16:53] <Alex___> Is thst right
[16:53] <daveake> Well it /might/ be an essential, you just can't tell
[16:53] <daveake> ^ Yagi
[16:53] <daveake> You need to be decoding at launch and in the car when/after it lands
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[16:54] <Alex___> Ok then I'm convinced
[16:54] <Alex___> I'll get the yagi
[16:54] <daveake> Between those the rest of us will do it for you, assuming you're launching within the available network
[16:54] <Alex___> But no base station
[16:55] <Ian_> A ZL Special (yagi type[ish]) has a shorter boomlength than a standard yagi, which is it's Unique Selling Point.
[16:56] <Ian_> Than a standard yagi with a similar number of elements
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[16:57] <Alex___> Is shorter Boom length just for convenience
[16:57] <Alex___> Holding
[17:02] <Ian_> Fits better in a small space - like a car
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> mainly storage in the car, a small 3-7 element beam on 434Mhz is not that long or weighty
[17:02] <Ian_> Not for use there, but for transport
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> snap
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[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> Alex___: 27pound for the one I linked
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> never mind, the irc window had not scrolled down
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[18:25] <alex___> do you guys ever test your parachute before using them
[18:25] <alex___> or is testing them more likely t break them
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[18:29] <alex___> hello?
[18:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> dony think I heard anyone testing them before launch
[18:37] <stilldavid> I threw mine off a tall building with an approximate payload mass on it. Didn't learn much ¯\_(Ä)_/¯
[18:38] <x-f> i did that too, same result :)
[18:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:parachute_sizing_chart?s%5B%5D=parachute
[18:41] <x-f> testing shouldn't brake them anyway, they should be fine with a greater mass than expected (if the balloon just rips not cleanly bursts)
[18:42] <stilldavid> agreed: if you're worried about your parachute breaking (and ... not braking) during a test, you need a better parachute
[18:42] <stilldavid> balloon bursts are violent things
[18:43] <stilldavid> slowed down: https://stilldavid.com/burst.mp4
[18:46] <alex___> ok and
[18:46] <alex___> do any of you plug external batteries into your cameras
[18:46] <alex___> like gopros or gopro fakes
[18:48] <alex___> or are they not worth the weight?
[18:50] <daveake> Since a gopro will stop after 1 hour without an external battery, you don't have a choice
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[19:05] <alex___> hi, im not sure if any of you will have time, but i've been writing up a plan for our school's balloon project and I think i've finally finished (bar choosing the exact location)
[19:05] <alex___> can any of you look through it and see if i've missed anything?
[19:05] <alex___> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYMS78vVxH6I01Lq43HugMeCrkZ7RFRFN35jtuV4NF8/edit?usp=sharing
[19:08] <alex___> (its meant to show not just the actual plan, but all other options we have rejected -- basically a reference of all our knowledge about HABing)
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Only a quick scan, but worth adding about practice locating payload well befire launch, helpfull to test payload design and to get used to Direction Finding should it be required.
[19:16] <alex___> thanks
[19:16] <PE2BZ> Does the RaspberryPi allow it to be powered from 4 lithium batteries which, in fresh conditions, could be over 8 Volt ?
[19:17] <alex___> i thought you plug the batteries into the PITS hat
[19:17] <alex___> which then delivers power to the Pi
[19:17] <alex___> i've read to explicitly not plug anything into the normal pi microusb power
[19:17] <PE2BZ> Just asking, I run the pits for RX only and power all of it by micro USB
[19:18] <daveake> PE2BZ: 4 x AA Lithium is 7.2V max, but still comfortably above the PI max
[19:18] <alex___> wait im not getting you
[19:18] <alex___> is it ok to plug the 4 AA into the PITS
[19:18] <alex___> am i missing something?
[19:18] <daveake> PE2BZ: You can run a Pi directly from 3 AAs though
[19:19] <jakeio> I have done that for most of my flights.
[19:19] <jakeio> Though, I actually did 2 sets of 3 in parallel but that was frankly wasteful.
[19:19] <PE2BZ> daveake and can you run the pits board on 4 AA and have it power the Pi without overload ?
[19:19] <daveake> alex___: For you, use the PITS PSU; this is a conversation about using batteries directly when you don't have a suitable PSU
[19:20] <daveake> PE2BZ: PITS has a PSU suitable for 4 AAs
[19:20] <PE2BZ> So Alex, your safe :-)
[19:20] <alex___> oh ok so the PITS can deal with the extra coltage
[19:20] <daveake> yes ofc
[19:20] <alex___> but doing stuff directly into the pi with more than 4 is dodgy
[19:21] <daveake> >3 is dodgy
[19:21] <daveake> as in, will probably kill it
[19:21] <alex___> how many day range can you suggest for the CAA permission form
[19:22] <alex___> could you suggest a whole week period (say in our school holidays)
[19:24] <PE2BZ> alex the part about the SDR : The USB stick is plugged into the computer but there is no 3,5 mm audio connection. You have to route the audio from the SDR software to the decoder software by using (any kind of) virtual audio.
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[19:24] <alex___> oh, what did the 3mm audio cable thing i read mean?
[19:26] <PE2BZ> I don´t know..... You can connect the audio out of one laptop to the input of another laptop but that makes no sense....
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[19:27] <alex___> ok
[19:27] <jakeio> I've always wondered if that would work, I could never see why it wouldn't but it just felt so silly!
[19:28] <PE2BZ> http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/index.htm
[19:28] <PE2BZ> That works for most of us
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> under a some time I could not her
[19:29] <alex___> is it frowned upon to apply for CAA permission for several weekends over 28 days away
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> get VAC to work
[19:29] <alex___> and just cancel each weekend if your not ready
[19:29] <PE2BZ> jakeio it works :-) I had it running with a dongle on my Samsung and wired to fldigi
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> and I looped 3,5 - 3,5 in an sub soundcard and used that to decode rtty and stuf
[19:29] <PE2BZ> As I said.... Most of us ;-)
[19:29] <jakeio> That's glorious. Truly glorious.
[19:29] <jakeio> I'll stick with pulseaudio for now though!
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> *sub = usb
[19:30] <alex___> hello?
[19:30] <PE2BZ> QRZ ?
[19:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its meal time for a lot of people!
[19:31] <daveake> alex___: Don't do that. The CAA will probably refuse anyway, and will issue permission for the 1st weekend and then ask you request extra weekend(s) afterwards as required
[19:31] <alex___> ah ok makes more sense
[19:31] <daveake> They don't look issuing long term notams
[19:31] <alex___> what about a 1 week long one
[19:31] <alex___> instead of a weekend
[19:32] <daveake> probably ok, dunno, ask
[19:32] <daveake> I try and keep the window as short as possible
[19:32] <daveake> Aside from keeping the CAA happy, it means fewer calls from pilots
[19:33] <alex___> ok
[19:33] <PE2BZ> alex think about an Internet connection to be able to upload your own received data
[19:33] <alex___> oh i just assumed mobile phone tethering
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[19:34] <PE2BZ> Will work, but have it available ;-)
[19:34] <daveake> keep the phone charged - tethering + gps uses a lot of juice
[19:35] <jakeio> I always go overkill and bring at least 3 phones and 2 USB power bricks!!
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[19:36] <daveake> You call that overkill? :)
[19:36] Action: daveake looks inside chase car
[19:37] <PE2BZ> And add a line to common mistakes... There is something about wrapping the payload with alu foil tape before launch. Giving NO gps reception at all....
[19:37] <daveake> But yes, definitely have as many options as you can get for internet, batteries, chargers, satnavs, etc
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[19:41] <PE2BZ> alex can I online rotate the view of the Cost page ?
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[20:32] <Ian_> Alex__ "Must have a basic technician license to use anyway" to read "Requires Amateur Radio Licence for terrestrial operation"
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[20:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOAL01 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOAL01
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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