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[02:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-22 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-22
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[04:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[05:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE6AZX-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE6AZX-14
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[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
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[07:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GSCOTF - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GSCOTF
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[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC4 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[11:28] <Darkside> bah, the tracker doesnt like balloons with the same callsign launching on concurrent days
[11:28] <Darkside> it things its in descent or something
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[11:29] <Darkside> joevk5ei: y hello
[11:29] <Darkside> joevk5ei: VK5QI here :P
[11:30] <joevk5ei> hello Mark, I see you are uploading our sonde :)
[11:30] <Darkside> yep lol
[11:30] <Darkside> to both aprs.fi and the tracker
[11:30] <joevk5ei> very nice
[11:30] <joevk5ei> using your script ?
[11:31] <Darkside> actually this is a new one
[11:31] <Darkside> ill be putting it on github soon eough
[11:31] <Darkside> soon enough*
[11:31] <Darkside> once i iron out a few bugs
[11:32] <joevk5ei> good work
[11:32] <Darkside> the tracker things the balloon is in descent, and isnt predicting the forward track..
[11:32] <Darkside> which is a pain
[11:33] <Darkside> joevk5ei: i switched to using the COM/OLE interface so i could get faster updates
[11:36] <joevk5ei> keep at it you will work it out :)
[11:36] <Darkside> they've started launching the RS41's down in mt gambier
[11:36] <Darkside> but it'll be a while before they launch those in adelaide
[11:36] <joevk5ei> interesting
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[11:38] <Darkside> joevk5ei: if you have enough gain, you may be able to receive one of them from here in adelaide, when they are at apogee
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_landing
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> The target, known as "dead center" is a circle with a diameter of 2 centimeters (a little less than an inch). The disk measures the distance from the edge of the dead center circle to the point you touch the disk, in increments of 1 centimeter (0,01 meters). The accompanying picture shows the electronic disk with the yellow dead center.
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> (for parachutists)
[11:39] <joevk5ei> may give it a go thanks
[11:39] <Darkside> joevk5ei: sondemonitor should decode it, but you need a much wider bandwidth FM receiver
[11:39] <Darkside> as its running at 4800 baud
[11:40] <Darkside> so a SDR with a custom filter width is probably best
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:41] <joevk5ei> noted have a few sdr here just need some good filters
[11:42] <joevk5ei> front end filters :)
[11:43] <Darkside> mm
[11:43] <Darkside> i have an interdigital filter for 401 MHz :P
[11:43] <Darkside> not using it at the moment though
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[12:11] <joevk5ei> 73 Mark, good luck
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[12:11] <Darkside> cheers
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030782123504_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0782123504_chase
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030782123504 134456_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0782123504%20134456_chase
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[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[14:53] <Laurenceb> !wehereis HIRFW-3
[14:53] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-3
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03Río San Juan Department, Nicaragua 10(11.48107,-85.03785) at 0313999 meters about 033 days ago
[14:53] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS21
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS21 was over 03Barents Sea 10(73.66219,29.89872) at 0314146 meters about 0317 days ago
[14:53] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS18
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: I haven't got a clue
[14:53] <Laurenceb> !whereis K6RPT-11
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03K6RPT-11 was over 0373800 Beytü__ebap/^1rnak, Turkey 10(37.7124,43.49791) at 0315901 meters about 033 hours ago
[14:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MancBalloonian - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MancBalloonian
[14:58] <burnedfingers> !whereis myweiner
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> 03burnedfingers: I haven't got a clue
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[15:01] <fsphil> kids
[15:02] <fsphil> or the US president. hard to tell
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[15:12] <daveake> Hong Kong. Trump rarely goes further than Florida.
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[15:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039350583221_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9350583221_chase
[15:48] <Vostok> i
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[16:06] <Rebounde1> cool with a chasecar in New Dehli
[16:11] <kc2uez> Upu, I have just a couple of questions for you. the 868mhz antenna works on the 915mhz band? I am about to add it to a cart, also is the module when you get the 915mhz based on the rfm96?
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[16:21] <Upu> hi kc2uez
[16:21] <Upu> good question
[16:22] <Upu> It will probably work but won't be ideal its 30Mhz +/- 868
[16:22] <Upu> The module is an RF96 yes
[16:25] <kc2uez> ok, i will not get the antennas then
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[16:28] <Upu> maybe best
[16:29] <Upu> I did see if the supplier could get antennas centered on 915 but they can't
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[16:35] <kc2uez> is there a option for the 2 modules be on 915?
[16:37] <kc2uez> i guess if they are rfm96 it doesn't matter
[16:40] <Upu> yeah you can have a dual 915
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[16:45] <kc2uez> all set, i think :)
[16:46] <Upu> Cheers!
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[19:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6UUQ-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UUQ-1
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[19:45] <ve6azx> Anyone who's interested - one of my vehicles is on APRS. callsign VE6AZX-14
[19:45] <ve6azx> launched last night.
[19:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> interesting! pics ? are u using that DRA818V module for radio?
[19:51] <ve6azx> Yes
[19:51] <ve6azx> one second for pixs
[19:51] <ve6azx> *pics
[19:51] <ve6azx> https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p720x720/17159341_1281446265276893_7128993912576048277_o.jpg?oh=dbc58344eb46762b3a907b7b35ab1c32&oe=597345BB
[19:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> no solar, just batteries?
[19:52] <ve6azx> https://twitter.com/VE6CID?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor [pics of payload on this friend of mines twitter]
[19:52] <ve6azx> correct. Based on advice here, wanted solar, but still waiting for cells in the mail
[19:52] <ve6azx> decided to do a test with 3x lithium AA's
[19:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, how long do u expect it to run?
[19:54] <ve6azx> 2 days approx
[19:54] <ve6azx> hopefully enough to make it to the ocean
[19:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, should reach the Atlantic
[19:55] <ve6azx> Anyway, this was my first serious attempt at getting one of these to work. I'm happy with how it's gone.
[19:55] <ve6azx> Next time: make lighter, go higher, use solar
[19:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> :) thats the spirit!!
[19:56] <ve6azx> =D
[19:56] <ve6azx> thanks for the advice. I appreciate all the help I've gotten here.
[19:56] <ve6azx> I think I might document what I did on some website or such if someone wants a recipe for an easy way to do this
[19:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> please do and post a link here
[19:57] <aadamson> ve6azx, just followed you on twitter (akadamson). Most of my info is there.
[19:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> dony forger on your todo list, tx frequncy according to geofencing
[19:57] <aadamson> 2 up currently, both HIRF-3 and -6 with WSPR on HIRFW-X
[19:58] <ve6azx> SA6BSS-Mike: It does switch to european APRS freq after crossing mid-atlantic
[19:58] <ve6azx> not that I expect that to apply here.
[19:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh, cool
[19:58] <ve6azx> but yes, that's something I definitely want to do
[19:58] <ve6azx> aadamson: roger
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[20:11] <Laurenceb> aadamson: whats your flight duration now?
[20:12] <aadamson> 197 days on -3
[20:12] <aadamson> broke almost all of googles records
[20:12] <aadamson> only ones that I haven't altitude and power generation
[20:12] <Laurenceb> oh nice
[20:13] <Laurenceb> haven't broken project ghost record tho
[20:13] <aadamson> https://plus.google.com/+ProjectLoon/posts/2vGeQAXF4Qo
[20:14] <aadamson> is that the older one that was a year or something?
[20:14] <Laurenceb> records is just under 3 years iirc
[20:14] <aadamson> 744 days actually :)
[20:15] <Laurenceb> ah just over 2
[20:15] <aadamson> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_horizontal_sounding_technique
[20:15] <Laurenceb> yeah
[20:15] <aadamson> there is still time :)...
[20:15] <Laurenceb> on paper it's doable with off the shelf plastics
[20:15] <aadamson> funny thing these both were just testing flights, neither were really constructed to *break records*
[20:15] <aadamson> they are both completely *naked* in flight
[20:16] <Laurenceb> I'd like to know whats happened to UBSEDS, if they suffered from electronics failure
[20:16] <Laurenceb> on some of the ubseds flights with logs there were icing evens visible at high latitudes and ~12.5km
[20:16] <aadamson> anyone know if solder mask is uv resistant?
[20:17] <Laurenceb> I tried to work out how long PA/EVOH/PE materials would stand up to UV, its kind of hard to find figures
[20:17] <Laurenceb> prob <5 years
[20:17] <Laurenceb> but better than mylar used for ghost
[20:18] <aadamson> -3 spent *most of the winter* above the 45 parallel and survived...
[20:18] <Laurenceb> I'd like to know why google are limiting flights to 6 months
[20:18] <Laurenceb> interesting
[20:18] <aadamson> of it's 197 days, I'd bet 130 of them were in and around the north
[20:19] <aadamson> it really proved that you don't need tilted solar, flat is fine, while it has that startup issue
[20:19] <aadamson> it hasn't mattered where it is in latitude, if it starts, it runs from 30 mins post terminator to 30 mins pre
[20:20] <aadamson> and I run all my panels flat and they are 1.5x2 (inch) multicrystaline panels - nothing fancy
[20:20] <aadamson> 2 in series, because the 1040 won't come out of startup mode if you don't get the solar voltage above .8v
[20:21] <ve6azx> aadamson: awesome - really cool. I'm aspiring to do something similar to what you are
[20:22] <aadamson> and Laurenceb, you know I'm on 7 layer heptax
[20:23] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[20:23] <Laurenceb> is there a datasheet?
[20:23] <aadamson> just google heptax 525
[20:23] <aadamson> I've seen no permeation, in fact, with -3 down by the equator, it's was over 300meters higher than when it was launched
[20:24] <aadamson> (helps being at the equator - expect for the dang storms)
[20:24] <Laurenceb> yeah I looked for any evidence of leakage in B-64 data
[20:25] <Laurenceb> looks like an EVOH/PE/Nylon system
[20:25] <aadamson> can't remember and haven't looked in a long time, but I thought richards were slowed lowering altitude over time
[20:25] <Laurenceb> convered to pressure altitude
[20:25] <aadamson> yeah and it's very hard to fine too :(
[20:25] <Laurenceb> its tricky to interpret due to seasons etc
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[20:25] <Laurenceb> I wrote a matlab script to convert everything
[20:26] <aadamson> yeah I know, and north is usually lower, south higher due to the ambient pressure difference at the poles vs equator
[20:27] <aadamson> (assuming northern hemisphere)
[20:27] <Laurenceb> using hysplit archive data
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[21:32] <alex__> hi i was wondering what little things you need in addition to all the main components
[21:33] <alex__> e.g. is braided nylon cord provided
[21:33] <alex__> with the parachute/balloon or is that one of those things you need to get
[21:33] <alex__> and what similar things (duct tape etc. are needed)
[21:33] <alex__> that arent completely obvious from your guides
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[21:36] <alex__> or at least where do you guys get the braided nylon cord from?
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[21:40] <[1]michal_f> !flights
[21:40] <SpacenearUS> 03[1]michal_f: Current flights: 03Barc186 10(edaf), 03Dixon185 10(8326), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[21:43] <dbrooke> alex__: you can get cord from e.g. http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Stuff.html
[21:43] <mfa298> alex__: most people get balloon and parachutes etc from http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html and more specialist bits of electonics from https://store.uputronics.com/
[21:43] <mfa298> snap (ish)
[21:44] <alex__> thanks
[21:45] <alex__> how can one tell how much braided cable you need to buy/how much to use?
[21:45] <alex__> how long it should be
[21:46] <daveake> Answers to that and more - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[21:46] <Ian_> Note that the 1mm cord is sold on cards of 18m
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[21:56] <alex__> you mentioned the jet stream in your article
[21:56] <alex__> has this ever happened to you/someone you know?
[21:59] <daveake> Happened to me, and I know him
[22:00] <daveake> Generally a winter thing, and the predictions will show if it's going to happen
[22:00] <Babs> 200mph is dawdling
[22:00] <Babs> evening everyone
[22:00] <jakeio> daveake, did you see my slightly silly video?
[22:01] <daveake> zeusbotNo not yet
[22:02] <daveake> er 2 windows merged there
[22:02] <daveake> My flight in November peaked at 255mph
[22:02] <Babs> what? I thought i had the speed record at 242mph
[22:02] <Babs> talk about ruining my evening
[22:03] <daveake> hah sorry :)
[22:03] <Babs> i literally hold no records outside of the most over engineered payload
[22:03] <Babs> and thats subjective and of no use to any HAB anyway
[22:03] <Babs> daveake are you still planning on going over to the states in August?
[22:04] <daveake> No
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[22:04] <daveake> Hotel prices loltastic unless you're 3 hours+ away
[22:05] <daveake> Might change my mind but currently no plans
[22:05] <Babs> i've just been looking at flights for now
[22:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> think this is the fastet I ever saw http://imgur.com/a/XSvPh
[22:05] <Babs> probably going to Denver and work north from there
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[22:07] <Babs> That was mine!
[22:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah :)
[22:08] <daveake> Mine is in http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20161129.html and 255mph was mentioned
[22:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> 109mps = 143.82 mph
[22:08] <daveake> Fastest I saw directly then was 246mph
[22:09] <daveake> 244
[22:09] <daveake> (109m/s = 244mph)
[22:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> corect, (typing error)
[22:10] <daveake> yeah I guessed as the rest was right :)
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[22:11] <daveake> But Matt said he saw 114m/s which is 255mph
[22:11] <daveake> Anyhoo, quite quick
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[22:14] <alex__> what do you mean exactly by 'car uploader' in your guide
[22:14] <daveake> See the very first picture
[22:15] <alex__> yes
[22:15] <alex__> but what software does it etc
[22:15] <alex__> is there a phone app?
[22:16] <daveake> There are several different programs that do it
[22:16] <daveake> !wiki chase car trackers
[22:16] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03chase_car_trackers (general) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[22:17] <daveake> That's some of them
[22:34] <alex__> ok
[22:34] <alex__> in the guide it says
[22:34] <alex__> Fit the balloon neck over your filler tube, leaving enough of the beck free for sealing later. Then tape down with duct tape over the end. Fit 2 cable ties to stop the balloon from escaping.
[22:35] <alex__> what do you mean by 'leaving enough of the neck free for sealing later'
[22:35] <alex__> surely the filler tube should be flush in the neck?
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[22:48] <alex__> hello?
[22:50] <edmoore> alex__: it means you want the filler tube to be a good 10cm (say) into the neck
[22:51] <alex__> ah cheers
[22:51] <edmoore> so you can tie off the balloon neck when filling is complete, the remove it from the filler, and then have enough free neck to play with for attaching to the payload string and tying up
[22:52] <edmoore> people often double the neck back on itself and put a cable tie and tape around the resulting U-bend
[22:52] <edmoore> with the string in a loop around the bottom of the U-bend
[22:52] <edmoore> if you can visualise what I mean
[22:53] <alex__> yes i can
[22:53] <alex__> so it makes a loop of latex in a way
[22:53] <alex__> (balloon latex)
[22:53] <alex__> for the string to be through
[22:53] <edmoore> exactly
[22:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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