highaltitude.log.20170227

[00:00] <aadamson> ok... now for rule #2 - Read the code ... (you knew it was coming)
[00:00] <daveake> Indeed
[00:00] <aadamson> notice I was being nice and dropped the RTFC :)
[00:01] <daveake> FORTRAN ?
[00:01] Action: daveake watched Hidden Figures last night
[00:01] <aadamson> But seriously, you'd probably figure most of this out yourself, if you'd just look through all the code and try to understand what its doing (I think someone else mentioned this)
[00:01] <aadamson> FORTH Dave! :)
[00:01] <quick_question_2> 2.power supplies, I noted the warning in the manual about not connecting USb and batteries at the same time. Can I just check the reason for this? I don't intend to do it but I do intend to connect the habduino to another arduino (both battery powered) along some analog wires, digital wires and a common ground wire. Would the same risk present if one connected USB and batteries at the time time be a problem with two ar
[00:02] <daveake> FORTH ... I enjoyed writing that, however a bit hairy
[00:02] <quick_question_2> ...on batteres but the non-habduino one of the two having a somewhat greater number of batteries and taking power through the usual power port rather than through the specialised method for using just 2 batteries that the habduino has?
[00:03] <aadamson> the re-entrant, re-cursive, make your head hurt language.
[00:03] <aadamson> 2 power sources can do really bad things if there is no isolation between them.
[00:03] <daveake> yeah, easy to get to a point where you're not entirely sure what's on the stack
[00:03] <quick_question_2> I did think I'd figured out how the temperature sensing was done, I just wanted to check if I was right.
[00:03] <aadamson> also know as if there is a Schematic - RTS - :)
[00:04] <daveake> quick_question_2: You need to get to the point where you're confident of you're own deductions
[00:04] <daveake> your
[00:04] <daveake> oops
[00:04] <quick_question_2> schematic, aadamson, would you like a schematic of how the two arduinos will be connected?
[00:04] <aadamson> no thank you
[00:05] <quick_question_2> I can provide one, but it'll be a while to get the file into a form I can show you from here
[00:05] <aadamson> I have no idea if there is one for habduino or not... but if there is a note about dual power supplies and what not to do.. .then don't do it
[00:05] <aadamson> plane and simple
[00:05] <quick_question_2> sorry, why did you mention a schematic then?
[00:05] <aadamson> someone had a reason for saying that
[00:05] <aadamson> otherwise known as plain and simple... duh
[00:06] <quick_question_2> Can the habduino run from the same batteries as a normal habduino then? The thing is the second arduino has to power some rather hefty things
[00:06] <quick_question_2> having it on the same small batteries as the habduino wouldn't be possible. I could put the habduino on the same batteries as the second arduino, but I don't know if that is possible
[00:07] <aadamson> Ah... just looked, there are schematics as a part of habduino, looking at those should answer your question about power supplies, etc
[00:07] <aadamson> https://github.com/HABduino/HABduino/tree/master/Hardware
[00:07] <quick_question_2> Habduino has a special form of adapter to let it run on 2 AA like lithium batteries
[00:08] <quick_question_2> the other arduino is to be powered from 8 of the lithium batteries
[00:11] <daveake> 8 * Lithium = max of 14.6V
[00:12] <daveake> Arduino Vin max = 12V
[00:12] <daveake> Just saying
[00:12] <adamgreig> only in series :p
[00:12] <daveake> heh true
[00:15] <quick_question_2> This was power on the DC input for the second arduino, not power on the Vin pin
[00:16] <daveake> Vin is the DC input
[00:18] <quick_question_2> The arduino has run before on that, I thought it was ok, but given this I'll be redesigning that bit of the circuit to have a lower voltage straight away.
[00:20] <daveake> I don't know if it's a real voltage limit, or derived from max power dissipation of the regulator. If the latter then you'll probably be fine as the energizer voltage drops rapidly under load, initially.
[00:20] <quick_question_2> But if that second arduino is getting less than 12V, from batteries, into it's DC input socket, then should it be safe to connect it to the habduino via some wires with large resistors on them? is the habduino shiled mroe sensitive than a normal arduino is to voltage?
[00:20] <daveake> what now? large resistors??
[00:21] <quick_question_2> Definitely I've had an uno and duemilanove run fine for hours at a time with 8 lithum AA batteries, I don't thinm the 12v limit is so hard, but I definitely want to protect the habduino shield incase it's more sensitive than the normal arduino.
[00:22] <daveake> Sorry, before I go have nightmares, what do you mean by "large resistors" ?
[00:22] <quick_question_2> "large resistors", the wires going between the habduino and second arduino are using low pass RC filters, they've got hundreds of kilohms on them, there certainly won't be much in the way of currents going between the two arduinos, but there will be voltages between them.
[00:23] <quick_question_2> maybe best i show a diagram?
[00:24] <daveake> er, no, when you said "large" I wondered if you meant physically large
[00:24] <daveake> So this is to do with you analog signals, which I commented on before as being an odd way of doing things
[00:25] <daveake> your^
[00:25] <quick_question_2> yes, it is.
[00:25] <daveake> Arduino --> Arduino can be done with SPI for example, rather than lots of analog wires and filters
[00:25] <daveake> Anyhoo, time for sleep
[00:25] <quick_question_2> I've been doing the freeing up of pins to enable the analog outputs to be made.
[00:26] <quick_question_2> As far as risks of voltages damaging an arduino due to separate power supplies I assuke SPI or I2C would be exactly as risky as analog
[00:27] <quick_question_2> Is doing it that way common?
[00:27] <quick_question_2> Ok, sorry to disturb you
[00:27] <quick_question_2> Should i come back tomorrow with a diagram?
[00:31] <aadamson> quick_question_2, not sure where you are located, but the bulk of the folks on here are in the UK and EU. Dave was up late as it's after midnight there now.
[00:32] <quick_question_2> Ok, sorry, where are you geographically?
[00:32] <aadamson> atlanta
[00:32] <aadamson> don't much mess with the arduino stuff. I built my own tracker with 2 radios, etc.
[00:33] <aadamson> Ones been flying for 188 days the other 159. :)
[00:34] <quick_question_2> Ok, thanks for the help anyway.
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[04:01] <MrACP1911> How to go about getting flight approval
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[04:13] <SpeedEvil> You're in the UK?
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[05:37] Nick change: PsionicO1 -> PsionicOz
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[06:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031234_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1234_chase
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[07:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SV3CIX-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-11
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[08:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX_chase
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[10:14] <PB0AHX> !flights
[10:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Titan_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Titan_chase
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[12:04] <fsphil> Titan HAB. that'll be chilly
[12:11] <cm13g09> Upu: ping (right channel this time!)
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[13:03] <Upu> hey cm13g09
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[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
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[15:28] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS21
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS21 was over 03Barents Sea 10(73.66219,29.89872) at 0314146 meters about 039 days ago
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> !whereis H6RWF-3
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: I haven't got a clue
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRWF-3
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: I haven't got a clue
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> oh 2 days ago
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> google loon record broken?
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[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSKY2 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSKY2
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[16:22] <Laurenceb_> v quiet in here
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[16:30] <fsphil> HELLO
[16:32] <fsphil> I haven't been doing much in the way of HAB recently, life's got an annoying habit of getting in the way sometimes
[16:33] <cm13g09> Upu: Sorry - had gone for lunch earlier
[16:34] <cm13g09> Upu: Just want to check before my boss orders 10x MAX-M8Qs from you that you've got plenty in stock?
[16:37] <Upu> yes
[16:37] <Upu> reels
[16:37] <Upu> they are -10 ones now so support Galileo
[16:42] <cm13g09> Upu: nice
[16:43] <cm13g09> Upu: At some point I'll tell you what we're doing with them
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[16:43] <Upu> sounds interesting
[16:45] <cm13g09> Upu: Let's put it this way: they're not going to be going up in the air!
[16:48] <cm13g09> Upu: you have a new order ;)
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[16:58] <Upu> cheers!
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[17:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX_chase
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[17:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS23G - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS23G
[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS23 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS23
[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX-1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-1_chase
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[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ1FYB-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ1FYB-12
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[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[21:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X7
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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