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[09:54] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fih5Wpe6ac4 - ISS dragon approach in full potato-vision.
[09:55] Action: daveake looks for spudnik
[09:57] <SpeedEvil> Spudnik is tomorrow
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[10:16] <fsphil> the iss is an interesting mix of new and ancient tech
[10:17] <AndyEsser> fsphil: guess that comes from being 20 years old
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> More than 20 design of course.
[10:17] <fsphil> well bits of it are 20 years old
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> They're just switching over from NiH batteries.
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> (not M)
[10:18] <AndyEsser> indeed
[10:18] <AndyEsser> same as ships etc that are built to last 50 years
[10:18] <fsphil> this looks like an old ntsc camera
[10:18] <AndyEsser> weird mix of old tech and then brand spanking new
[10:18] <AndyEsser> all built on top of each other
[10:19] <edmoore> i guess it's all got to be easily servicable and bodgeable
[10:19] <edmoore> no integrated cleverness
[10:19] <AndyEsser> indeed
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[10:23] <fsphil> it's great that we can get video more or less continuously from it
[10:25] <fsphil> that's a good shot
[10:26] <daveake> This is like waiting for my wife to park
[10:26] <fsphil> lol
[10:26] <AndyEsser> it's painful
[10:27] <AndyEsser> my partner is terrible at parking
[10:27] <AndyEsser> number of times she's just gotten out of the car and told me to park is a lot
[10:27] <AndyEsser> but that has it's own problems
[10:27] <AndyEsser> as she's 6ft
[10:27] <SIbot11> In real units: 6 ft = 1.83 m
[10:27] <AndyEsser> so I get in... and have to adjust everything :P
[10:31] <fsphil> both this and parking the car involve expensive hardware and people. no harm in being careful :)
[10:32] <AndyEsser> my current car has forward/reverse sensors
[10:32] <AndyEsser> plus front, back, left and right cameras
[10:33] <AndyEsser> so I get like a birdseye view of the car and full 360 camera coverage around it
[10:36] <fsphil> it must be a nice feeling seeing your own hardware in space like this
[10:36] <AndyEsser> hell yea
[10:39] <gonzo_> my car is blind all around, so when I bottle out parking thinking, that's it, no closer. I get out and see there is 2'6" clear still to go
[10:39] <AndyEsser> hah
[10:40] <fsphil> you need one of those mirrors that let you see the bumper
[10:40] <gonzo_> or the audible parking sensors at the front (the 1/4 plate bumper is rougly at light pack height for the car in front)
[10:40] <gonzo_> I could do with one of those mirrors, but refuse to have one
[10:41] <gonzo_> at work all the windows are reflective, so I can see where my corners are
[10:41] <gonzo_> (and check your brake lights work)
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[10:44] <SpeedEvil> yay (dragon capture)
[10:46] <AndyEsser> and now all the annoying backpatting
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[10:47] <fsphil> not nearly as bad as ESA
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> Backpatting in 14 languages.
[10:50] <SpeedEvil> Once someone added Klingon to the list as a joke, and nobody noticed the extra translation.
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[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:57] <Laurenceb_> http://www.perkinelmer.co.uk/lab-solutions/resources/docs/APP_Optimization-Cannabis-Fourier-Transform-Mid-Infrared-Spec_012596_01.pdf
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> I linked that in other channels.
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[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Then got sticker shock at the cost of a deuterated triglycerine sulfate detector
[12:02] <gonzo_> M4 closed, in case that affects anyone here
[12:02] <gonzo_> car transporter on fire
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[12:08] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: the wind should help blow it out :)
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[12:09] <fsphil> or spread it
[12:10] <AndyEsser> it's ok - no-one really needs the M4 :P
[12:10] <AndyEsser> so long as the M6/M56 are ok, I'm good to get home tonight :)
[12:10] <AndyEsser> hopefully Doris.... blows over for moving house this weekend
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[12:21] <fsphil> it's to be stormy here on friday night again
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[12:26] <YesMan> Hello I'm looking for a term that designate "air road" that commercial flight takes throught airspaces
[12:26] <fsphil> flight path?
[12:26] <fsphil> or airway
[12:27] <murb> YesMan: you mean designated paths between waypoints?
[12:27] <fsphil> air corridor
[12:28] <fsphil> AndyEsser: you got a load of rocket books didn't you? recommend any for a newb?
[12:28] <YesMan> fsphil: Thanks, airway and air corridor are the terms
[12:29] <AndyEsser> YesMan: "Upper/Lower Airspace Control Routes"
[12:29] <AndyEsser> colloquially, Air Corridor
[12:29] <AndyEsser> fsphil: depends, what level of newb - and what aspect of rockets
[12:30] <fsphil> current level: water rockets :)
[12:30] Action: murb wonders were his pet controller is.
[12:30] <murb> probably on holiday, controllers seem to get way too much of that.
[12:33] <YesMan> AndyEsser: Thank you for the precision
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[13:32] <Matt_PrjHet> Afternoon all, hope you're well.
[13:32] <daveake> Everyone in the UK is busy launching :/
[13:32] <Matt_PrjHet> Ha!
[13:33] <AndyEsser> M6 closed :(
[13:33] <gonzo_> just standing with your bhands in your npockets and your jacket unzipped would get you airborne here
[13:33] <Matt_PrjHet> I just ran a prediction, it didn't go as far as I'd expected considering how much the wind is whistling round my flats...
[13:34] <Matt_PrjHet> 'only Belgium'
[13:34] <daveake> Nobody cares about the M6 AndyEsser :p
[13:34] <AndyEsser> :(
[13:35] <daveake> Yeah it's the 200mph higher winds you need to get across the continent rapidly
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[13:37] <daveake> linux-y question ... if I have a Pi and want to reference it by hostname rather than IP address, from an Android device on the same network, what do I need to install and where ?
[13:37] <Randomskk> avahi
[13:37] <Randomskk> ugh
[13:37] Nick change: Randomskk -> adamgreig
[13:37] <daveake> Installing samba on the pi works for WIndows but not Android
[13:37] <daveake> Understandably
[13:38] <daveake> and tvm :)
[13:38] <adamgreig> install avahi-daemon
[13:38] <adamgreig> might need to use hostname.local rather than just hostname
[13:38] <fsphil> I run dnsmasq for dns and dhcp on my network, it seems to handle all that automatically
[13:38] <adamgreig> avahi is the zeroconf thing that lets linux devices broadcast that their hostname maps to this up
[13:38] <daveake> yeah that's fine, just don't want to use an IP address that might change
[13:38] <adamgreig> running dnsmasq means your dns server will resolve local hostnames for you
[13:38] <daveake> ah perfick
[13:38] <craag> if your router supports local dns, it should just work...
[13:38] <adamgreig> so rather depends which you want
[13:39] <adamgreig> if it's not working the router presumably doesn't support it properly :P
[13:39] <mfa298> I thought raspbian had some zeroconf thing on already so raspberrypi.local shoudl work for things that do that
[13:39] <adamgreig> yea wouldn't be surprised if it was preinstalled
[13:39] <daveake> yeah router does dns and I'd be amazed if that doesn't include the local network
[13:39] <adamgreig> try using hostname.local
[13:39] <daveake> hmm 1 sec
[13:39] <daveake> (or 3 mins)
[13:40] <daveake> We've had powercuts and I need to start up a couple of things
[13:40] <daveake> Which reminds me I need to run more stuff from the UPS
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[13:41] Action: AndyEsser needs to invest in a UPS
[13:41] <daveake> I have a spare which I need to use the the Pis, router etc
[13:41] <fsphil> ups has saved me a few times now
[13:41] Action: AndyEsser orders Tesla Powerwalls
[13:42] <fsphil> don't think they run during a powercut :)
[13:42] <AndyEsser> fsphil: that makes zero sense...
[13:42] <fsphil> they're tied to the grid
[13:42] <AndyEsser> yes, but they provide backup power for your home
[13:42] <AndyEsser> lose the grid, the powerwall powers the house
[13:43] <fsphil> cool, didn't know that
[13:43] <nick_> AndyEsser: you're getting the brunt of this wind up there, right?
[13:43] <AndyEsser> nick_: tis rather blowy, yes
[13:43] <nick_> It's pretty windy down here.
[13:43] <AndyEsser> www.xcweather.co.uk
[13:43] <AndyEsser> that nice collection of red arrows in North Wales/North West
[13:43] <AndyEsser> I'm under that
[13:44] <AndyEsser> Trampoline has already tried to take out my partner, and destroyed a fence
[13:44] <nick_> Some of the roof on my shed blew off :(
[13:44] <AndyEsser> a friends house had a large tree come down in the garden and narrowly miss the house
[13:44] <nick_> The weather proofing, not the structure of the roof.
[13:45] <AndyEsser> kind of glad I took down my X50 antenna last weekend
[13:45] <AndyEsser> that was only supported by a few cable ties :)
[13:45] <nick_> And my chairs and bench are all in the wrong place.
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[13:46] <gonzo_> I'm just checking the cams around the house, to see how I'm coping
[13:47] <AndyEsser> just lost another fence entirely at the side of the house :(
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[13:56] <AndyEsser> !ping
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: No contact from 03
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SV3CIX-11 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-11
[14:06] <AndyEsser> crap... need to climb on top of the garage at my partners place this evening and remove some solar panels...
[14:06] <AndyEsser> that could be interesting
[14:08] <daveake> !ping aliens
[14:08] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: No contact from 03aliens
[14:08] <daveake> damn
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[14:19] <AndyEsser> well apparently I'm trapped here... tree has come down on the only access road into the office
[14:20] <gonzo_> not towable out of the way?
[14:21] <AndyEsser> I sadly left my strops and chains at home...
[14:21] <daveake> chainsaw ?
[14:21] <AndyEsser> left that in my other bag...
[14:22] <gonzo_> essential hab recovery kit
[14:23] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/834770231876796416
[14:23] <gonzo_> actually, if you could get it clear of the local clutter, today would be interesting to try a pico
[14:26] <AndyEsser> Cheshire police have adviced everyone to avoid travelling
[14:26] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[14:26] <AndyEsser> this is just a ploy to get us to stay in the office longer
[14:26] <AndyEsser> M56 and A56 closed
[14:26] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
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[14:26] <gonzo_> you have a sleeping bag and good pub?
[14:29] <AndyEsser> no
[14:29] <AndyEsser> sleeping bag and my ultra warm hi viz I had planned on bringing with me today, but couldn't be bothered when I got up as was so tired :(
[14:30] <murb> keeping a sleeping bag in the car is probably a good idea.
[14:30] <murb> and a shovel.
[14:30] <murb> but you have to be careful, or the polic ewill ask questions.
[14:30] <murb> yeah non latex gloves as well...
[14:31] <murb> cable tyes yep
[14:31] <murb> tape yep.
[14:32] <AndyEsser> murb: when I've owned cars before, I usually have sleeping bag/blanket, first aid kit and stuff in the boot
[14:32] <AndyEsser> but as I'm hiring and have to change cars every month or so, it gets tedious taking it all out and back in again
[14:33] <AndyEsser> sod it
[14:33] <murb> i hope hire cars have atleast a first aidkit in them.
[14:33] <AndyEsser> I'm heading home
[14:33] <AndyEsser> not risking getting stranded when I have a mountain of stuff to do before removals company turns up tomorrow
[14:33] <AndyEsser> murb: not a legal requirement, so they don't
[14:33] <AndyEsser> if y'all don't hear from me again
[14:33] <AndyEsser> know that I learnt a lot from this commnunity :P
[14:34] <gonzo_> is your will online?
[14:38] <PE2BZ> DonĀ“t you dare !
[14:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[14:46] <gonzo_> I leave my X50 and coax to.......
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[14:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Anyone know what the shelf life of a Hwoyee balloon is? (unopened/untampered with)
[14:55] <Matt_PrjHet> I bought one last May for a launch that never happened.
[14:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Life on a shelf is boring and dusty
[14:57] <fsphil> depends on the shelf
[14:57] <fsphil> if it's been kept dry and out of the sun it's probably fine
[14:57] <Matt_PrjHet> And such a waste! I'm moving house and I'm toying with whether it's be best to sell it now or keep it in the hope of launching later this year/next year.
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[14:58] <Matt_PrjHet> Yep dry, out the sun in a storage box in my dining room.
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[15:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[16:01] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-3
[16:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(26.35607,-160.28786) at 0313776 meters about 0316 days ago
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> we should have a flightstats command
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[16:13] <AndyEsser> I'm alive!
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[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Turned into Johnny 5 have you ?
[16:18] <Ian_> You need all that crud in a bag or box, so that it transfers in one go. One lift once a month. Hey, whatever happened to the Warrior?
[16:18] <AndyEsser> Ian_: delayed until end of tax year
[16:19] <AndyEsser> and all my boxes are being used for moving
[16:19] <fsphil> you beat doris
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[16:21] <Ian_> The wind has dropped a fair bit here in B69 and there is blue sky among the clouds.
[16:22] <aadamson> Looks like Ron broke the 6mo aloft target. K6RPT-11 should be over 183 days today
[16:23] <AndyEsser> yea, it's much less traumatic here at home than the office
[16:23] <aadamson> have to wait to see if HIRFW-3 shows up again or not
[16:23] <AndyEsser> basically every road I would use to get home had a police car parked at the end of it and they'd closed it :(
[16:23] <Ian_> - 1 rhodidendrum bush that rocked itself intil it's 20 year old stalk. + 1 Council wate paper bin has made several excursions into and over the road; so at the last time of taking it back, I tied it to a bus stop sign and dropped by the cleansing department to vent my spleen . . just because!
[16:24] <AndyEsser> two out of 4 fences in the garden haven't survived
[16:25] <Ian_> Concrete posts? The panels fold in the middle, game over. With wooden posts the whole lot went over when the posts rotted
[16:25] <AndyEsser> all wooden
[16:26] <Ian_> Who's responsibility for repair. If it's wooden posts, then it has to be down to fair wear and tear on the posts even if the panels were good.
[16:26] <Ian_> repair?
[16:27] <AndyEsser> o yea, it's landlords responsbility - we're not too fussed about that
[16:27] <Ian_> You don't want him hanging onto your deposit to finance his fences.
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[16:31] <AndyEsser> so glad internet goes live at the new house tomorrow
[16:31] <AndyEsser> sky disconnected my partners internet 1.5 weeks early and it's rinsing my data on my phone
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[17:36] <gonzo_> even concrete posts barely help. The top strap snaps and the panels just get blown through
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[19:10] <benny_> evening all
[19:12] <benny_> after several successful HAB missions I'm interested in using HABITAT software to make a tracker for my Land Rover. Does anyone have any experience deploying the HABITAT code base to their own private server?
[19:12] <PE2BZ> Good evening
[19:12] <benny_> the installation destructions on GitHub just say "not ready"
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[19:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> benny_: have you thought about aprs? that if u have a licens ofc
[19:40] <benny_> no i haven't. I'll look into it. thanks. Just giving the habitat installation a go. Following the errors and installing extra bits
[19:42] <mfa298> benny_: what are you actually trying to acheive, there should be very few instances you need to install the habitat backend stuff
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[19:51] <adamgreig> benny_: I wouldn't recommend doing it yourself
[19:51] <adamgreig> generally people just upload to the habhub one
[19:51] <adamgreig> I'm not aware of anyone else with a running install
[19:52] <adamgreig> the issue you'll have is that it's quite a distributed ecosystem
[19:52] <benny_> I'm creating a tracker for my car
[19:52] <adamgreig> the tracker webpage is quite separate (with a postgresql database) to the parser and main backend database (habitat + couchdb)
[19:52] <benny_> modify the android chase car app with a few extras
[19:52] <adamgreig> probably it would be easier to just DIY the tracker part for your car
[19:52] <benny_> point the app to my own instance of habitat tracker
[19:53] <benny_> I'm guessing you don't want to see my car perminently on the tracker here
[19:53] <adamgreig> eh
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Just feed into APRS-IS if you just want tracking, without distributed listeners you won't see a great distance otherwise!
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> But to do it on amateur radio bands you will need a licence, but feed via a cellphone is a different matter.
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[20:14] <DL3KB> Hi there!
[20:15] <Ian_> ;)
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> evening
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[20:16] <DL3KB> I have a problem with minimodem
[20:44] <kc2uez> hey guys, I was looking into habitat. the github readme.md says that it is not ready, but that reame.md was last modified 6 years ago. is it something that can be used now?
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[20:49] <lz1dev> you want to run habitat yourself?
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[20:58] <kc2uez> yes, i am testing and i don't want to pollute the live server
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[21:02] <kc2uez> i am working on a lora tracking system based on the adafruit feather stuff
[21:07] <mfa298> kc2uez: most other people upload to the main server without worrying about it.
[21:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> 2 in one ever IMG?
[21:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Evening
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[21:16] <kc2uez> but, would the habitat from the github work? or not
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[21:23] <adamgreig> kc2uez: the one on github is the one that's running in production
[21:23] <adamgreig> and has been for years
[21:23] <adamgreig> however note that the tracker website is a separate thing with a separate database that's fed from habitat, and essentially no one runs it themselves (though someone else asked about this a couple hours ago lol)
[21:24] <adamgreig> generally we suggest just uploading test data to the tracker and in any event aren't in a position to give support with getting your own version up and running
[21:24] <adamgreig> but it is the same code we use
[21:26] <kc2uez> i see, i understand. I will use the live server then. any suggestions to not mess with anything? maybe call it _TEST_KC2UEZ or something like that?
[21:26] <adamgreig> sure
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[23:36] <Laurenceb_> whereis K6RPT-11
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> !whereis K6RPT-11
[23:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03K6RPT-11 is over 03Division No. 8, AB, Canada 10(52.5787,-113.89008) at 0315270 meters
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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