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[01:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[02:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pa5rob_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=pa5rob_chase
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[04:35] <freq_> is there a way to figure out how much helium is in a balloon without a guage?
[04:40] <lz1dev> have a huge square tank of water, mark water level before and after you submerge the balloon
[04:40] <lz1dev> calculate volume
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[05:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB_L1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB_L1
[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-1d - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-1d
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[06:17] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/09/living-high-altitude-balloon/
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[07:08] <Luppe_> Vostok: great video unearthing the RS80's "RF Magic" :D
[07:08] <Vostok> you should send dave a modern one
[07:09] <Luppe_> maybe we should haha :D
[07:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[07:17] <Darkside> Vostok: i might send him one launched in australia :-)
[07:18] <Vostok> Luppe might get his hands on an unlaunched one :)
[07:18] <Darkside> RS41?
[07:18] <Darkside> i wish they'd start launching those here
[07:18] <Darkside> still on RS92SGPA's here
[07:18] <Darkside> booooring
[07:19] <Vostok> too bad I'm leaving vaisala in a few weeks
[07:19] <Darkside> oh you work at vaisala?
[07:19] <Darkside> wow
[07:20] <Luppe_> Darkside: this year is the last year we sell RS92's
[07:20] <Darkside> any insight into the design decisions behind the RS92?
[07:20] <Luppe_> Darkside: so you should be getting your RS41s soon :)
[07:20] <Darkside> i.e. that finnish micro
[07:20] <Darkside> all the custom (rebranded?) ICs
[07:20] <Darkside> im assuming thats either a custom, or a rebranded PLL in the radio module bit
[07:20] <Luppe_> I don't think I should be giving you guys any insights..
[07:20] <Darkside> heh
[07:20] <Darkside> ok
[07:21] <Darkside> well i look forward to STM32 devboards falling from the sky
[07:21] <Luppe_> except that we design and manufacture the sensors in-house in Finland
[07:21] <Darkside> yeah i figured that much
[07:21] <Darkside> so far the only thing i've been able to do with a RS92 was twiddle the eeprom to get it up onto 420.050 MHz... then we lost that bit of the 70cm band
[07:21] <Vostok> Darkside: yeah, but not with radiosondes
[07:22] <Darkside> Vostok: well the RS41 is almost a STM32 dev board that falls from the sky :P
[07:22] <Darkside> it has lots of funs bits on it
[07:22] <Darkside> fun bits*
[07:23] <Luppe_> yep :P
[07:23] <Darkside> a real gps unit!
[07:23] <Darkside> a radio module that i've used before!
[07:23] <Vostok> :)
[07:23] <Darkside> a sensor unit that is probably going to require some serious reverse engineering effort!
[07:23] <Darkside> :P
[07:25] <Luppe_> :D
[07:25] <Luppe_> good luck with that
[07:25] <Darkside> yeah
[07:25] <Darkside> i dont think anyone has managed to figure out the RS92 sensor board
[07:25] <Luppe_> having worked at the sensor development team, it won't be a quick task :-)
[07:26] <Darkside> i'd love to be able to fly a decent temp sensor
[07:26] <Darkside> and the vaisala ones are the best...
[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[07:27] <Darkside> anyways, i do look forward to them arriving here!
[07:27] <Darkside> the last RS92 i recovered had a serial of M1143001
[07:27] <Vostok> Luppe_: you were on the microsensor team?
[07:27] <Luppe_> Darkside: where is here?
[07:27] <Luppe_> Vostok: yep
[07:27] <Darkside> Luppe_: Australia
[07:27] <Luppe_> Darkside: you shouldn't have to wait long then :-)
[07:27] <Vostok> I applied there twice with no luck
[07:27] <Darkside> Bureau of Meteorology
[07:28] <Luppe_> maybe a year
[07:28] <Luppe_> maybe less
[07:28] <Luppe_> depens where you are
[07:28] <Luppe_> *depends
[07:28] <Darkside> those serial numbers do seem to be going up in value..
[07:28] <Darkside> might give me an idea on when they will switch
[07:29] <Vostok> now I'm leaving for a healthcare tech company, too hard to get around physics related jobs inside vaisala
[07:29] <Darkside> week 11 2016
[07:29] <Luppe_> Vostok: yes it is hard..
[07:30] <Darkside> Luppe_: might ring up the local launch office and see if i can get an idea...
[07:31] <Darkside> last i called (about 6 months ago), they seemed to have no idea
[07:32] <Darkside> Luppe_: how do the new sondes work with the auto launching systems? we have at least one of those in the state
[07:33] <Darkside> i guess they need an upgrade...
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[07:36] <Vostok> I've been trying to catch (by sight, not physically catch) an autolaunched balloon from a glider
[07:37] <Darkside> hah
[07:37] <Vostok> I've tried it a few times now, by circling over the launch site at the correct time
[07:37] <Darkside> too hard to spot?
[07:37] <Vostok> yes, i'm usually at 5000 feet or so
[07:37] <SIbot> In real units: 5000 ft = 1524 m
[07:37] <Darkside> lol
[07:37] <Darkside> damn sibot
[07:38] <Darkside> the launcher was pretty cool
[07:38] <Darkside> https://vimeo.com/19862362
[07:38] <Darkside> we also ended up with bits from one of the receiving antenna systems
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[07:39] <Darkside> i modified the cross dipole so i could mount it on my car :-)
[07:39] <Darkside> https://goo.gl/photos/rv6RL836YXYCXfmZ8
[07:42] <Darkside> "was that it?" "I want a replay!"
[07:42] <Luppe_> Darkside: The RS41 work very well with the autolaunching system. An upgrade package will be installed to make it RS41 compatible. The RS41 shortens the loading time significantly.
[07:42] <Darkside> ok
[07:43] <Darkside> i like the little NFC coil :-)
[07:43] <Darkside> thats a neat idea
[07:43] <Luppe_> Yep, it makes the ground preparation a lot easier
[07:44] <Darkside> mm i bet
[07:44] <Darkside> i figure my receive systems should be up to the task of decoding the RS41s already
[07:44] <Darkside> cross dipole, preamp, SDR, so adjustable receive filters
[07:44] <Darkside> then into sondemonitor
[07:49] <Darkside> In addition, a large number of concept-level and R&D
[07:49] <Darkside> soundings have been made in various locations in Finland, USA, and Australia.
[07:49] <Darkside> hah
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[08:22] <Darkside> Malvolio: yo
[08:22] <Darkside> mazzanet: *
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[08:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0312 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[10:35] <WillDuckworth> nice little write up daveake on the Microbit tracker
[10:36] <daveake> ta
[10:36] <daveake> C would have been easier probably :)
[10:37] <daveake> jakeio is planning to launch on Sunday, and if he does I'll add this to his flight
[10:37] <WillDuckworth> sounds like fun :)
[10:38] <WillDuckworth> I'll hopefully be around to listen in for once
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[11:23] <jakeio> Is anyone able to approve my flight announcement on google groups?
[11:26] <Vaizki> flight document? get on #habhub and paste the id there
[11:27] <jakeio> It's a google groups post.
[11:29] <Vaizki> ah.
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[11:43] <Upu> done Sam
[11:44] <AndyEsser> the Royal Aeronautical Society seem to be getting a little bit over excited about the Boscombe Down challenge
[11:45] <Darkside> oh?
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[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.bdballoonchallenge.org/latest-news
[11:49] <Darkside> wait, chris hilcox has habsupplies?
[11:49] <Darkside> wtf
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Name grab I think
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> hence Uputronics
[11:50] <Darkside> what an asshat, upu had that ages ago
[11:50] <Upu> he trademarked it after I asked him to stop using it
[11:50] <daveake> "I have no plans to use it"
[11:51] <Upu> I still own hab.supplies www.habsupplies.com
[11:51] <Darkside> what a c**t
[11:51] <Upu> yeah thats austrialian I guess but yes I concur :)
[11:51] <Upu> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=4
[11:53] <Upu> anyway it didn't work as hab supplies in google still goes to Uputronics
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[11:53] <Upu> food afk
[11:54] <daveake> Could register balloonnews.co.uk :)
[11:55] <Darkside> Includes 1200gm PAWAN balloon, Go Pro Hero camera, SPOT Messenger tracker, GSM locator, and 3ft parachute for 2 week hire.
[11:55] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[11:55] <Darkside> lol what the fuck
[11:55] <Darkside> SPOT tracker
[11:55] <Darkside> and GSM locator?
[11:55] <daveake> yep
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[11:58] <mfa298> He doesn't seem to have had much luck when he's tried his Habduino and PITs boards
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[11:59] <Darkside> sounds like his is 'doing it wrong'^{TM}
[12:00] <daveake> Failure is an option
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[12:00] <mfa298> "doing it wrong" in more than one way I think.
[12:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS21 after 0319 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh thought it had gone
[12:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MICROBIT after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MICROBIT
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[15:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Gaia3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Gaia3
[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GaiaChase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GaiaChase_chase
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[15:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SV3CIX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-11
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[15:45] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS18
[15:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Naiman, Tongliao, Inner Mongolia, China 10(43.17166,120.67383) at 0312032 meters about 0321 days ago
[15:45] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS22
[15:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: I haven't got a clue
[15:45] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS21
[15:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS21 was over 03Sept-RivièresCaniapiscau, QC, Canada 10(51.80571,-68.48705) at 0314163 meters about 0315 minutes ago
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[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU_Chase
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[16:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU_Chase
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[17:43] <Laurenceb> anyone here ever mounted a samba share on ubuntu ?
[17:43] <Laurenceb> I don't know what I'm doing lol
[17:44] <Laurenceb> can't see anything in /run/user
[17:46] <lz1dev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
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[17:49] <jakeio> OK, my GPS is doing very weird things. When my program starts, the GGA strings are definitely right, they say the correct time, that is. Then as the program runs, the GGA strings reportedly become out of time. But restarting the program makes them go back to normal.
[17:49] <jakeio> It literally makes no sense.
[17:50] <jakeio> And it's definitely the GPS that's wrong, I'm printing the GGA strings.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> you're building up a queue somewhere?
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> Do the times drift backwards
[17:51] <jakeio> Seems so, but location stays accurate.
[17:51] <jakeio> And after each successful packet I clear the buffer.
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> how are you reading the GPS
[17:54] <Laurenceb> lz1dev: thanks
[17:54] <Laurenceb> but "cannot access a needed shared library" :(
[17:55] <jakeio> SpeedEvil: I'm using serial.
[17:55] <jakeio> (Pi4J is my library)
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[18:01] <Laurenceb> fixed it nvm
[18:02] <Laurenceb> it didnt like the iocharset bit
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[18:19] <daveake> jakeio Does the time gradually lag more and more ?
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[18:20] <daveake> Sounds like you're not really clearing the buffer
[18:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dds_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dds_chase
[18:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[19:09] <ZS5LT> Hi , can anyone tell me how to connect a gps to the computer running Dl-Fldigi to give the operator position.
[19:10] <ZS5LT> what is DL-Fldigi expecting from the comm for the GPS? Is it a standard NMEA string?
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[19:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats not working in the hab version of dl-fldigi
[19:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> its an old bug
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[19:31] <ZS5LT> back again.
[19:32] <ZS5LT> using hexchat, much better
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[19:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> anything is better then usin the webbased chatt :)
[19:33] <ZS5LT> yea a much easier interface and quicker response
[19:33] <mfa298> ZS5LT: the gps option in dl-fldigi doesn't work on windows, it might work on Linux/Mac
[19:33] <mfa298> there are some mobile apps to put a chasecar icon on the map
[19:33] <ZS5LT> thanks i am on a linux machine now. fired it up again
[19:34] <ZS5LT> i have the mobile apps, i wanted to add gps to the computer so that as the operator moves the location of the tracing stations does so as well
[19:36] <ZS5LT> if you use a fixed locator and forget to update it as you move the location of your tracking station goes out.
[19:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> tracker page have some delay, I think it will take at least 10-15minutes before your tower moves on the map
[19:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> if you change locator
[19:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> *lat + long
[19:37] <mfa298> I think if you set it to use gps dl-fldigi might change to CALL_chase, although it's been a while since I've tried that
[19:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, interesting.
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[19:39] <ZS5LT> on habhub you see the tracking station and its location based on the information you give the software. 2 chases ago i had my home location set and forgot to update the software. the result was that i was 140km away but it showed me tracking from home...
[19:40] <mfa298> most people just run dl-fldigi with static location and chase app to show their position on the map
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[19:41] <ZS5LT> you guys up North are spoilt, there are tons of tracking stations around you but here in Durban we have a lot of interest but not a lot of hands one people, so we have to setup/launch/track/recovery.
[19:42] <ZS5LT> i am getting my ducks in a row for the next HAB launch 'soon". This time i have a cross band repeater on the payload.
[19:44] <ZS5LT> i have been testing the DRA818V and DRA818U modules although audio isn't excellent they do the job
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[19:47] <mfa298> talking to the local HAM clubs can help find tracking stations sometimes.
[19:47] <ZS5LT> i am going to play with a ublox max8 and arduino nano and i will configure a serial NMEA string giving time,lat,lon,alt via the usb port. I will see how the DL Fldigi see's it. If i win I will put it up on the group.
[19:48] <daveake> I suspect that "win" will require fixing the source code
[19:48] <daveake> afaik it hasn't worked for years, on Windows at least
[19:49] <ZS5LT> mfa298: i am with the largest local club, but there is a very small active group that participate usually its just 6 of us. The club is 80 strong!!!
[19:49] <daveake> That's actually quite a good ratio :/
[19:51] <ZS5LT> hi dave, you can say that again, but that team are bulldogs, they will chase the payload anywhere
[19:51] <daveake> yeah 6 is a good number for a flight
[19:51] <daveake> most of mine I do on my own
[19:52] <ZS5LT> Yeah Dave, I know, I have followed most of your launchesI have to share. I lost my first payload.... It landed in a a deep valley
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[19:53] <ZS5LT> We could not recover it because of a huge black mamba (snake) that met us half the way down. This group sat for over 3 hrs into the night working out how to get it.
[19:53] <daveake> I had one do that. Didn't chase till after it landed. The landing predictor was pretty good, and I just* had to climb the closest hill
[19:53] <daveake> *with a chest cold
[19:54] <daveake> no signal at all till I got to the ridge overlooking the valley
[19:54] <ZS5LT> I have thick coastal vegetation we had a strong signal, but i did not want to tackle a 2m black mamba.
[19:55] <daveake> yeah, not something we have to deal with here :)
[19:56] <daveake> trees, barbed wire and angry farmers are our only dangers :)
[19:56] <ZS5LT> I went back the next day, i still had APRS signal, although the RTTY had stopped. I just sat on the side of the mountain and had lunch, said goodbye to the payload,camera's and parachute.
[19:56] <daveake> ouch
[19:57] <ZS5LT> Our farmers are not so bad, on my last launch, it landed in a field and a farmer came screaming around a hill to us telling us where the payload was...
[19:59] <ZS5LT> even with small corn the payload was not visible until you were on top of it.
[20:00] <ZS5LT> We had lots of radio reflections from around the hills, but we only required i gps loaction and it was game over.
[20:00] <ZS5LT> Full recovery, payload, pi camera, parachute and all the twisted string from the balloon.
[20:00] <ZS5LT> hehe
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[20:05] <ZS5LT> now i have a drone equipped what a hab repeater that gives us a better tracking advantage. our payloads are becoming more expensive and recovery of the hab payload is priority..
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[20:10] <ZS5LT> good night all. till tommorrow
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[20:52] <alex__> The track you have downloaded needs to be cleaned up. There are data truncation errors that looks like the baloon zigzagged all over the place!! Can you please fix it...thank you ALEX
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[20:56] <jakeio> I've fixed my rogue GPS error! I was clearing the wrong buffer.
[20:59] <alex__> it still shows up at habhub....
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> jakeio: yay
[21:02] <daveake> nice :)
[21:02] <daveake> It did sound very much like you were checking the GPS less than 1Hz, abd leaving old readings waiting somewhere
[21:03] <daveake> btw Microbit still running so I will bring it on Sunday. Do you need the approx weight ?
[21:15] <alex__> congrats by the way...it is still alive!!! Alex
[21:21] <jakeio> daveake: an approx weight should be good? Would you be able to provide batteries for it? I've only got enough for BUZZ and my payload.
[21:21] <jakeio> would* not should
[21:22] <daveake> Yeah I have plenty
[21:22] <jakeio> I'm currently at about 350g incl BUZZ.
[21:22] <jakeio> My helium is budgeted for a 500g payload, but I could just afford a 600g payload.
[21:22] <jakeio> Any ideas why your gateway is getting 403 error from habitat?
[21:23] <jakeio> Oh, working now.
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[21:29] <jakeio> Oh, I've worked out why I'm getting the 403 error.
[21:29] <jakeio> It's because I send the same telemetry lots of times.
[21:29] <jakeio> And it accepts the first and ignores the x repeats.
[21:29] <jakeio> Giving 403 for each repeat.
[21:29] <jakeio> That makes sense.
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[21:31] <daveake> yup
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[22:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[23:25] <jakeio> Just to check, is anyone bothered by my constant upload of test images to ssdv.habhub.org?
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[23:29] <Darkside> sigh
[23:30] <Darkside> some people just don't get IRC
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[23:36] <Vaizki> I guess some of them in'n'out irc'n people at least go and read the zeusbot logs.. but doesn't really encourage anyone to respond when the person asking is not on the channel any more...
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[23:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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