highaltitude.log.20170205

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[00:36] <Ian_> Fantastic team effort guys.
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[01:09] <burnedfingers> hey guys kinda excited I was able to get a 36 inch qualatex balloon to cruise at 38,000 ft instead of the usual 32000
[01:09] <SIbot> In real units: 38,000 ft = 11582 m
[01:10] <burnedfingers> hey SIbot, real units???!!! I am a professional pilot, flown all over the world. When you are talking about flying you speak in feet not meters
[01:10] <burnedfingers> there is only one stupid backwards country that still uses meters in aviation (china)
[01:16] <lz1dev> sorry, but using imperial units for anything is backwards
[01:17] <burnedfingers> imperial is the standard in aviation, and we are building and flying things here...so......
[01:17] <lz1dev> unfortunatelly its impracticle to retrain, and change the hardware
[01:20] <lz1dev> well it shouldn't be
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[01:24] <burnedfingers> haha well thanks for your opinion. I wish someone would change the bot to just simply state the conversion, no need for the "In real units" nonsense
[01:25] <lz1dev> i wish people would stop using imperial units :)
[01:28] <burnedfingers> If you were a professional in aviation it would feel natural to you. I wouldn't tell a scientist to use imperial units, just because it was what I know. I would adapt to the standard in that field which is the metric system
[01:29] <burnedfingers> anyways sorry, i hope i dont sound too rude here. I was hoping to talk about the 36inch balloon I got to 38....err.... 11600 meters :)
[01:29] <lz1dev> if you are flying, you've developed intuition
[01:29] <burnedfingers> I live in Hong Kong, so i'm use to flying in meters over china
[01:30] <lz1dev> so i understand why you would prefer one over the other
[01:30] <burnedfingers> but i hate it. it creates an unsafe atmosphere
[01:30] <lz1dev> do your instruments offer both or?
[01:30] <burnedfingers> in the airbus there is a button you push that brings up a small window next to the feet display in meters
[01:31] <burnedfingers> but as pilots we get the clearance in meters, and immediatly convert it to feet, and only speak back and forth to each other in feet
[01:31] <lz1dev> thats kinda of ok
[01:32] <burnedfingers> all our charts are in feet. The airplane is of course deisned with feet not meters in mind, the metric button is a special add on feature for asian airlines
[01:33] <burnedfingers> designed sorry
[01:33] <lz1dev> i can imagine there is a lot of pushback on metric from people
[01:34] <burnedfingers> russia recently went imperial finally, leaving only the good ole china commies sticking it to us
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[01:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RK2885_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RK2885_chase
[02:12] <Ian_> We all know how the Mars mission ended up with dual units in the design teams :)
[02:13] <Ian_> Aeroplanes in ft, balloons in metres - look no wings :)
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[02:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FDK-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-7
[02:35] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[02:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Naiman, Tongliao, Inner Mongolia, China 10(43.17166,120.67383) at 0312032 meters about 0315 days ago
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[07:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Blah1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Blah1_chase
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[08:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> burnedfingers: reading backlog, any special treatment in getting the 36 inch qualatex to over 11500m, payload weight?
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[08:41] <mfa298> reading scrollback, I'd reckon there's at least three good reasons for using m of ft. 1) GPS uses m, 2) using m ballon altitudes fit in a 16bit unsigned int, 3) most of us are engineers/scientists rather than pilots.
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[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[10:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> wb8elk have not called in for a couple of days, looks like it have reached end of flight after over 5 laps around the globe
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[10:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Allday1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Allday1_chase
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[11:12] <jakeio> Ping Upu!
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:34] <Upu> Hey jakeio sorry about slow responses
[11:34] <jakeio> No problem!
[11:34] <Upu> Away this weekend will be back this evening
[11:35] <jakeio> You know that order I put through yesterday.
[11:35] <jakeio> Can I cancel it, I need to add some bits to it.
[11:35] <jakeio> And then the cost will justify normal P&P!!
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[11:37] <Upu> Sure place another order as needed and I'll tie the two up cheers
[11:37] <Upu> Afk
[11:38] <jakeio> Thanks!
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[12:02] <jakeio> Upu, done!
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[12:08] <jakeio> Just to check, all those things are in stock?
[12:08] <jakeio> As they're a launch next weekend.
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[12:31] <jakeio> for a not just a!
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[13:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PACA1 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PACA1
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[13:48] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[13:53] <pb0ahx> going PACA1 flying today ????
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[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EPSOM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EPSOM
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[15:49] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[15:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Naiman, Tongliao, Inner Mongolia, China 10(43.17166,120.67383) at 0312032 meters about 0316 days ago
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0SCM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0SCM
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[16:43] <hyde00001> Hi all, I'm trying to complete CAA Unmanned Meteorological/Research Balloons application for NOTAM and would welcome some advice...
[16:43] <hyde00001> I have the form from https://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality?s[]=notam
[16:44] <hyde00001> Mostly easy to complete... Except what is the thinking persons answer to Maximum dimensions of balloon...???
[16:45] <daveake> I put down "1.5m diameter at launch"
[16:46] <hyde00001> Also...Where on CAA website is any of this discussed.. I've reviewed (ie flicked through) ANO2016 without any improvement in my knowledge...
[16:46] <hyde00001> nice compromise, like that
[16:47] <hyde00001> for dimensions/weight of associated equipment I was thinking of 20x20x20cm (approx) cube 600g (approx) does that work?
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[16:50] <daveake> 600g is fine. Things get *much* more difficult with the CAA above 2kg
[16:50] <jakeio> They'll probably be fine with that.
[16:50] <hyde00001> ta...
[16:50] <jakeio> Ah! daveake you beat me to it!
[16:51] <hyde00001> Also, I've seen comments saying need to send map of launch site. Any size/scale needed? I'm assuming 1:50,000 scale is good...but online sites give you quite a small window...
[16:52] <daveake> Interestingly, for those of us with permanent permission, we're not asked for payload weights. That's a loophole and I know that Steve has brought it up with the CAA, so it's something that will probably change.
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[16:53] <daveake> I've used online maps. I've attached 2 screenshots at different zoom levels to make it clear where the site is
[16:53] <hyde00001> clever (again)...
[16:53] <adamgreig> hmm
[16:54] <adamgreig> I think the NoV specifically exempts from the provisions that would govern weight class anyway?
[16:54] <adamgreig> not 100% sure on that, don't quote me :p
[16:54] <daveake> :-)
[16:54] <adamgreig> I note that it now additionally exempts from the new SERA/EU regs
[16:56] <hyde00001> The form also asks for "Name (BLOCK CAPITALS) and status"
[16:56] <hyde00001> what does status mean????
[16:58] <hyde00001> so.... form sorted (in principle). Next up - position of Pi camera... stuck onto box outside or make hole in box and mount inside?
[17:03] <daveake> Either position works
[17:04] <daveake> Quicker probably to fit to the outside, vs increased chance of losing it
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[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3FVR_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3FVR_chase
[17:08] <hyde00001> looks from pictures of your payloads you use double sided sticky foam type stuff - is that right?
[17:09] <PE0SAT> And was freq_ finally succesful?
[17:12] <daveake> Needs tape too. I lost a camera after the support line snagged behind the camera
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> semisucsessfull, he got some greens and the waterfall in dl-fldigi looked like it should (not
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> smeared
[17:15] <hyde00001> ouch... unlucky that the lines did that... then again of there is a chance a failure can happen..then it will eventually..
[17:16] <hyde00001> off out. so thanks again for advice...
[17:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE0SAT: last screenshot from last night, multiple lines probably due to overload http://bbtsoft.com/sdrstuff/fldigi10.jpg
[17:18] <PE0SAT> Thanks SA6BSS-Mike wierd situation
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[17:37] <gb73d> does anyone here happen to know where this is taken in th chiltern hills a NW facing slope...
[17:37] <gb73d> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96783368/CHILTERNS%20IONOSCATTER%20SITE%20WW%20JAN%201956.jpg
[17:38] <gb73d> it was the loc of a cold war comms system dew line
[17:38] <gb73d> 1956
[17:39] <gb73d> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96783368/WW%20IONOSCATTER%20ARTICLES%20JAN%201956.pdf
[17:49] <russss> might be getting confused, but I thought that site was at Anthorn
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[17:52] <gb73d> see pdf its chilterns link to iceland
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
[18:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AMO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AMO
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[22:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ON7AN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ON7AN_chase
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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