highaltitude.log.20170126

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[00:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BCHAB1 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCHAB1
[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BCHABP after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCHABP
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[02:47] <th3m3at> hello, anyone around
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[06:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[08:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[08:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031122_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1122_chase
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[09:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[10:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[12:44] <ryan_in> Hello, when is the best month to launch in terms of weather. Would it be ok to launch in April or would the winds make it travel too far away
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[12:51] <craag> ryan_in: Generally summer is better
[12:51] <craag> That's about as absolute as you can get I think
[12:51] <craag> (in the UK at least)
[12:52] <fsphil> and not all summers ase that good
[12:52] <fsphil> are
[12:53] <ryan_in> Ah ok. I'm thinking of doing another launch this year and I want to avoid the exam period (May to end of June)
[12:56] <craag> It's only a slight bias, so April's worth a shot, predictions+notam don't cost anything.
[12:57] <craag> .. so you can fall back to july/august if it doesn't work out :)
[12:58] <ryan_in> Yep good point. At least I will have everything ready if I have to fall back
[12:59] <ryan_in> I also had a big problem last time with getting a 3g signal with a dongle, it was in Wales. But what do you guys use to get 3g
[12:59] <craag> Not being in wales :)
[13:00] <craag> If the dongle has an antenna port then you can get magmounts off ebay which do work
[13:00] <gonzo_> some areas in wales, you will be pushing to get GSM (and gprs)
[13:00] <craag> Check for the antenan port though, most don't have it.
[13:01] <fsphil> and some that do don't seem to use it
[13:01] <craag> But - they'll only boost a marginal signal to a usable one, wales was still pretty bare when I went throguh there with the magmount last time
[13:01] <ryan_in> The EE one I brought doesnt have a antenna port. Three has the best coverage doesnt it?
[13:01] <gonzo_> hopefully the 4g coverage will imporove as the emergency services move onto 4g for their radio comms
[13:02] <craag> I have mine on three and it's worked well
[13:02] <ryan_in> I didnt even have phone signal
[13:02] <gonzo_> EE have the .gov contract, so I expect they will be the nest coverage in the long term
[13:02] <gonzo_> best
[13:02] <fsphil> wales is gonna be bad for any network
[13:02] <craag> But even that with a magmount only had signal in the more populated valleys
[13:03] <gonzo_> a friend has a gsm gateway, up a 60ft tower to get a phone sig
[13:03] <SIbot> In real units: 60 ft = 18 m
[13:03] <craag> To be honest, just prepare for no internet
[13:03] <craag> paper maps
[13:03] <craag> lat/lon phone apps
[13:03] <craag> notepad and pen
[13:03] <craag> etc
[13:04] <ryan_in> Yep definately need a lat/lon phone app
[13:04] <craag> then you can focus on receiving it locally, and input the lat/lon from the fldigi log
[13:05] <craag> also as you're going along, note the predicted landings you get through the tracker page
[13:05] <AndyEsser> don't do what I did and type the coords into Google Maps or whatever the Windows Phone has
[13:05] <AndyEsser> it tries to be "helpful" and plot it on the nearest road
[13:05] <AndyEsser> rather than accurate location
[13:06] <craag> then even if you lose it, and have no internet, you've got somewhere to start looking
[13:06] <AndyEsser> which is why I couldn't recover Steve's payload last year
[13:06] <craag> 'lose it' meaning don't get the signal down to the ground due to hills/mountains
[13:07] <ryan_in> The prediction landing location was quite accurate. But someone retrieved the payload and took to there house. They tried ringing us but of course we had no phone signal
[13:07] <craag> Yeah not much you can do about that one
[13:07] <craag> maybe put someone's home phone on there too?
[13:07] <craag> at least then someone can take a message, and tell them not to throw it away :)
[13:10] <ryan_in> The guy who retrieved it knew about the launch as he helped me learn how to use the radio. Complete coincidence that it landed nearn his house (60km from where we launched) !
[13:11] <craag> That was lucky :)
[13:12] <craag> VHF handhelds can also be useful when scouring valleys
[13:12] <craag> you can leave someone somewhere with phone signal and then bridge with vhf comms
[13:12] <craag> / cb
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[13:21] <AndyEsser> craag: that's an unprecedented level of organisation and teamwork :P
[13:22] <craag> Having been on an under-prepared recovery in wales... I will be taking camping gear next time!
[13:23] <craag> we had vhf radios but left them in the car
[13:23] <AndyEsser> a girl I saw for a few weeks last year laughed when I packed the 817 when we were planning a walk in WAles
[13:23] <AndyEsser> "If we break down, and have no phone rception, we can maybe reach help with this"
[13:23] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:23] <craag> haha
[13:24] <AndyEsser> I will likely always pack the Baofeng if I go walking/climbing with my friend
[13:24] <AndyEsser> the 817 isn't as portable as it tries to make out
[13:28] <craag> What you really want I guess is a 10m-band Handheld
[13:28] <mfa298> I often carry my handheld radio if I'm walking in the New Forest, there's at least a slim chance I might find someone on the local repeater if I can't get a phone signal.
[13:28] <craag> vhf/uhf won't really get out of the valley
[13:28] <craag> hah, very slim mfa298 ;)
[13:29] <AndyEsser> craag: well... if I'm up Snowdon 2m/70cm might be ok :P
[13:29] <craag> true!
[13:29] <craag> and there's a repeater or something up there iirc?
[13:29] <craag> oh it was you who was talking about putting something up terhe
[13:30] <craag> *there
[13:30] <AndyEsser> yea
[13:30] <AndyEsser> SMLR Array :)
[13:31] <AndyEsser> Snowdonia Mountain Long Range Antenna :)
[13:31] <craag> :D
[13:31] <daveake> AndyEsser: Obviously not a keeper :p
[13:31] <AndyEsser> daveake: nah
[13:31] <AndyEsser> my gf now is much better
[13:31] <AndyEsser> she helped me assemble my Yagi's and doesn't mind the fact I used her dining room to test a bunch of stuff in :P
[13:33] <edmoore> topically i just found by yeasu handheld at work
[13:33] <edmoore> having not seen it for about two years
[13:34] <AndyEsser> looking forward to moving house and properly mounting the X50, the 1090MHz and the 434 Yagi
[13:34] <AndyEsser> house has a clear line of sight for a good distance South East
[13:34] <AndyEsser> so hopefully can pick up most launches quite quickly :)
[13:38] <gonzo_> I always some emergency kit in the car. Enough to keep warm, and eat/brew up
[13:39] <craag> yeah I'm happy to say we had that
[13:39] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: yea, I used to, but haven't put the stuff into my new car - have things like first aid kit, blanket, etc
[13:39] <craag> stove, kettle, n'all
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFINITY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFINITY
[13:39] <craag> but lack of comms caused the team members left by the car to panic and call the police
[13:39] <gonzo_> peoper survival kit, a kettle
[13:39] <craag> who arrived as we wandered back to the car
[13:39] <AndyEsser> lol
[13:40] <AndyEsser> I remember that incident
[13:40] <gonzo_> and if things get serious, the kettle will bring help, as people always are guided by ESP to a recently boiled kettle
[13:40] <craag> yes ;)
[13:40] <craag> unfortunately no-one left at the car knew how to operate an outdoor gas stove
[13:41] <craag> this was our root error of course
[13:41] <gonzo_> hmmm, p[ossibly not the people you want on a chase then
[13:41] <AndyEsser> craag: I was happy to get to EMF Camp (having packed my kettle) to find there were already like 2-3 there in the middle :)
[13:43] <gonzo_> for longer distance comms when out camping as kids, we used 27meg CB, and carried a wire dipole to throw up a tree. Worked supprisingly well
[13:44] <gonzo_> next EMF, I think I'll be bringing lighter camp kit. DIDn't expect the car to be quite so far from the village
[13:44] <AndyEsser> Yea, I want to be better organised next time
[13:44] <fsphil> trolly
[13:45] <gonzo_> I brought one, but people piled in and there was no access through
[13:45] <gonzo_> we did seem to have invaders to the village. barrier tape req next time
[13:46] <edmoore> bungee-cording everything to a sack-truck works
[13:46] <edmoore> one with offroad wheels
[13:46] <gonzo_> the tent I brought was far too big for that. It's barely carryable by one person
[13:47] <fsphil> yeah it was a beastie
[13:47] <AndyEsser> yea gonzo_ your tent was overkill
[13:48] <AndyEsser> also... try not to set up HAB Camp next to the blacksmiths...
[13:48] <gonzo_> yep, but fun
[13:48] <fsphil> or the dutch camp :)
[13:48] <gonzo_> the tin woodpeckers!
[13:48] <mattbrejza> anyone off to SHA'17?
[13:48] <craag> I don't think I need a tent, just a few more boxes next time and I can put a tarp over the top..
[13:48] <AndyEsser> bloody Maths Yoga
[13:49] <fsphil> hah
[13:49] <gonzo_> except that my daughter spent a day there making noise, so it was a mixed blessing
[13:49] <AndyEsser> I was not impressed when that started at 8am before I'd had coffee
[13:49] <gonzo_> is that like playing twister on a std formulae sheet?
[13:50] <fsphil> habcamp needs more lasers next time
[13:51] <fsphil> lasers make everything better
[13:52] <gonzo_> is sha the dutch camp?
[13:52] <fsphil> yeah
[13:53] <craag> hmm 4th - 8th August
[13:53] <craag> 250 EUR.
[13:54] <gonzo_> hmm +1
[13:55] <gonzo_> was hoping to get to freidrichsafen this year. But doubt it's going to work out
[13:55] <AndyEsser> was it previously called MD5 and has been superceded?
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[14:02] <fsphil> 😒
[14:08] <Ian_> Also note that MD5 is now broken as a way was discovered to easily generate collisions and should not be used nor trusted anymore.
[14:10] <fsphil> 😒
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[14:57] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser found a new antenna location ?
[15:02] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: moving house
[15:04] <PE2BZ> No landlord permissions necessary in the future ? :-)
[15:05] <AndyEsser> they've okay'd be already doing some things (installing CCTV and an Alarm) so don't suspect it'll be an issue
[15:05] <PE2BZ> Nice !
[15:16] <edmoore> they might have approved those things on the basis of improving the value of the house
[15:16] <edmoore> whereas hamming your house probably has the opposite effect
[15:17] <AndyEsser> edmoore: I made it clear we'd be removing it at the end of our tenancy
[15:17] <AndyEsser> so it wouldn't improve the value of the house
[15:23] <Ian_> The better way may be to ensure that an antenna isn't affixed to the house directly in any way. Almost thinking about 25cm of soil over a tonne block of concrete as you leave . . . ;)
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC2
[15:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC1
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-13
[16:22] <englishman> aadamson only 30 days away from the Google Loon record
[16:26] <aadamson> englishman - hehe... yeah :)
[16:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-12
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[16:32] Action: Laurenceb suspects there is an issue with icing over the north pole
[16:32] <Laurenceb> might be what happened to UBSEDS-18
[16:32] <Laurenceb> seems to be evidence of it happening at high altitudes from flights with logs
[16:34] <richardeoin> Laurenceb: ubseds18 showed up over china a few days ago :)
[16:34] <richardeoin> 157 days after launch
[16:34] <Laurenceb> wut
[16:34] <Laurenceb> wtf
[16:34] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS-18
[16:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: I haven't got a clue
[16:34] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS18
[16:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Naiman, Tongliao, Inner Mongolia, China 10(43.17166,120.67383) at 0312032 meters about 036 days ago
[16:34] <Laurenceb> insane
[16:35] <richardeoin> but yes, there's more to learn about what happens over the poles
[16:35] <Laurenceb> pity it doesnt have log
[16:35] <richardeoin> it does have log, but only start up when solar elevation is > 18 deg
[16:36] <Laurenceb> ah
[16:36] <richardeoin> because of a bug and mediocre panels
[16:37] <Laurenceb> well it might turn up tomorrow over uk or iceland
[16:38] <richardeoin> hirf-3 has been up for ~157 days now too, that one is aadamson 's
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[19:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03g0hdi_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=g0hdi_chase
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