highaltitude.log.20170121

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[00:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ARG-1
[00:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[00:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
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[02:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0323 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[05:13] <vk5akh_chase> Darkside: ping
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[05:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SHSSP1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHSSP1
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[07:25] <Upu> err
[07:25] <Upu> UBSEDS18 ? Is that 156 days in the air ?
[07:33] <fsphil> oh wow
[07:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS21 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
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[07:47] <fsphil> leo's was 134 days. it must have beaten that by now
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[08:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5AKH-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5AKH-9_chase
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[08:18] <Upu> Ron and Alan have beaten Leo's
[08:19] <Upu> duration not for originality :)
[08:19] <Upu> aadamson: whats your current duration and what was Rons ?
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[08:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PACA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PACA1
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[08:36] <Vaizki> UBSEDS18! has it been circling the polar region or what
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[08:47] <richardeoin> ah hello
[08:50] <Upu> hey richardeoin
[08:50] <Upu> when did UBSEDS18 launch ? 17th August ?
[08:50] <Vaizki> congrats too
[08:51] <Vaizki> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/17/ubseds18.html
[08:51] <Vaizki> 157 days it says there
[08:52] <Upu> awesome
[08:54] <Upu> Must be close or green record
[08:54] <Upu> Actual
[09:00] <Upu> Ah cnsp are on day 148
[09:02] <richardeoin> yup 17th August
[09:03] <richardeoin> happened to be about a week before cnsp and hirf 3
[09:03] <richardeoin> there's some backlog from 18, over the atlantic on the 14th jan
[09:04] <richardeoin> looks like it's caught in an airstream that only dips below 50 lat occasionally
[09:05] <richardeoin> https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/70hPa/orthographic=131.50,47.89,459
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[09:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> listening in on ubseds21 on web sdr http://46.241.39.39:8901/
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[09:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> M0SBU-13 audio level = 10(3/4) [NONE] __||_____ [0.2] M0SBU-13>APRS,ARISS:!/2pAvb4SmO /A=047492 RA via ARISS|&,M:Vt:F@]!"| Position, BALLOON, Generic, (obsolete. Digis should use APNxxx instead) N 54 38.6584, E 078 01.4573, alt 47492 ft Seq=466, A1=4029, A2=4906, A3=2312, A4=2881, A5=1 RA via ARISS M0SBU-13 audio level = 10(3/4) [NONE] ||||_____ [0.1] M0SBU-13>APRS,ARISS:!/2nQ0b9e&O
[09:07] <SIbot> In real units: 47492 ft = 14476 m
[09:07] <richardeoin> nice
[09:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> im on 825 but its getting stronger, wsy to 144.800
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> *qsy
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, can her it on 144,800 as well
[09:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> does not decote yet
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[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHSSP2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHSSP2
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[09:44] <daveh> Hello
[09:44] <daveh> Hi I have a question regarding dl-fl-digi which i am currently trying to setup
[09:46] <daveh> got my PITS (skycademy) board transmitting rtty and lora, lora working fine virtual cable installed on win10 sir sharp showing the yellow/red waterfall nothing from DL-Fldigi
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[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sounds like the audio isn't geting from sdr# to dl-fldigi, do you have the right audio source selected in dl-fldigi and output in sdr# ?
[09:53] <daveh> in configure/soundcard/audio i have portaudio selected and the capture option is SDR
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> And the dl-fldigi source ?
[09:55] <daveh> where is the option for that setting?
[09:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> dl-fldigi -Configure|Soundcard|Capture
[09:57] <PE2BZ> Configure soundcard capture
[09:58] <daveh> yes, the capture setting is SDR (VB-Audio Virtual Cable)
[09:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> When you say nothing from dl-fldigi, is there noise, or just a blank black screen ? Maybe a screen grab of both windows would help ?
[10:00] <daveh> here you go https://goo.gl/photos/HGu9v7VRtM5XBSRp7
[10:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> no signal comming through to dl-fl digi
[10:01] <daveh> does the sdrsharp screen look OK?
[10:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah some thing odd then as there Green Audio power bar is showing full level, maybe the w/f pallatte is badly set ?
[10:03] <PE2BZ> Perhaps switch the WF button to SIG and see if there is signal shown then ?
[10:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> show us a screenshot of only sdr# with audio out showing , you have to stop sdr# to do it
[10:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> great screenshot appl http://getgreenshot.org/downloads/
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[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Waterfall settings http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/dl-fldigi/index.php?ind=2
[10:08] <daveh> sdr screenshot- https://goo.gl/photos/nMpuqesSnhs4puhb8
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Should be set for [MME] CABLE
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Are you hearing the noise via the speakers?
[10:10] <daveh> yes
[10:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, 3 from top and in dlfldigi
[10:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> second from bottom
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Thats the problem then its being fed to the normal speaker route not the audio cable
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[10:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> whats under inpu soundcards?
[10:14] <daveh> Big step forward yes, got a WF image now but does this look right?
[10:14] <daveh> https://goo.gl/photos/GUi3txhTPMv9STTu7
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Possibly overloaded look at the green audio power bar towards the right
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> just off screen on the image above
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes the diamons is showing RED overloaded
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> diamond
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> turn the audio level down in sdr#
[10:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> and you only have one of the bars in the fldigi wf
[10:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> u have to slide it more to the right in #
[10:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> the freq that is
[10:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> and when you rightclick on the RTTY in fldigi you have to widen your rtty bw to 300
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[10:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> down left corner right click in the RTTY
[10:20] <daveh> turned the gain down from 10 to 5 in sdr is that what you meant?
[10:20] <daveh> diamond is yellow now
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The green bar should shrink and the RED diamond should go Yellow then down to GREEN
[10:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> in fldigi can also widen vissible waterfall by goin in under Configure/FFT Processing/upper LImit set it to 4000
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[10:27] <daveh> So I have , reduced gain, widened rtty bw to 300, and set FFT processing upper limit to 4000 and it looks like...https://goo.gl/photos/3LQhZDhADYtJWQQGA
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Something still not quite right, your peaking on audio level but zero power, possibly some extraneous noise getting in ?
[10:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> yoi have to adhust you freq in # its now only covvering one of the legs
[10:34] <PE2BZ> daveh Hardware = airspy mini ? Just curious
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[10:35] <daveh> it is an airspy, USB silver case. I do have another one i could try, are they a bit suspect?
[10:36] <PE2BZ> No, not at all. But the common rtl dongle does not run well on 3 MHz sample rate.
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No there fine
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[10:39] <PE2BZ> In the audio settings in SDR# check if the ¨filter audio¨ is not turned on.
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[10:40] <daveh> just plugged a better aerial in, and lowered the gain some more. https://goo.gl/photos/L2vXeyeniuc1fLEZ7
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes audio filter was turned on
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Tune the frequency in sdr# up a little your only getting one of the two frequencies in the bandwidth
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you need to centre the two frequencies around 100-1500Hz
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 1000-1500Hz
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> your lowest is at 2500Hz
[10:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> and now audio is to loud , fldig shows red in
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes Diamnd is RED but Level is nothing, something odd there
[10:43] <daveh> just turned off "Filter Audio"
[10:43] <daveh> how do i reduce the audio in SDR, is it the gain setting
[10:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Audio level gain / volume setting not the Gain in the Airspy/dongle settings
[10:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> at the verry top
[10:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> in # next to the gear
[10:47] <daveh> sliding the slider at the top of sdr display next to the speak icon but not changing anything
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Is there still noise on dl-fldigi when the audio is set to zero level in sdr# ?
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you maybe getting computer noise coming in the audio line
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or someother audio source at the same time
[10:51] <daveh> screen with audio muted https://goo.gl/photos/AWjAahtxN1mLnuNs7
[10:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> you have a screenshot of the audio input in #
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes you have some other audio being fed to dl-fldigi from somewhere, that screen should be rather bland with the audio muted
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you have lots of little audio stripes in the watefall instead of plain blue
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and the green level bar is about 1/3 of way up but Diamond is now Green, would expect Black diamond with "no" audio
[10:53] <daveh> is it a dl setting or pc config do you think?
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> pc config possibly somethingelse is getting into the audio VB cable or it generates a lot of unwanted noise ...
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Mine looks like this http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Capture1.JPG
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> do u have stereo mix under capture in fldigi, if so go for audio out mme realtek speaker and shoose stereo mix for capture in fldigi
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try stopping the VB cable and see if you get a plain blue w/f background in dl-fldigi
[11:02] <daveh> where is the setting to do that?
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Stop the VB program ? I don't use VB so not sure how you control it.
[11:04] <daveh> i have disabled the VB in sound settings, and the WF ha stopped
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> do you mean stopped or just plain blue ?
[11:05] <daveh> interesting! after enabling it again, WF now black and scrolling
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah ot should be a plain colour black/Blue when no audio going in, a little noise a few sripes are OK but your was filled with them!
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[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You don't have a microphone feeding into that feed as well do you when VB is running ?
[11:14] <daveh> I have disabled the stereo mix and microphone recording devices and left only SDR enabled (win 10)
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[11:17] <daveh> Can you confirm, looking at the pictures that SDRSharp looks OK?
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes that last one looked OK, from what I could see, I normally during testing make sure any audio filtering squelch etc is turned off to avoid confusion, once running then choose as needed.
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but you had two clear peaks in the bandwidth which should appear as audio peaks in dl-fldig between 1000-1500Hz
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the rest of the waterfall in dl-fldigi should be failry plain just background noise running down
[11:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> is there a reason you want/have to use vb cable and not stereo Mx that doed the exact same thing?
[11:24] <daveh> changed airspys no change, just going to try a different pc
[11:25] <daveh> i was just following instructions we were given in the skyacademy with Daveak earlier in the year. beginning to think i will buy a radio
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No once you have it setup you will find its a lot easier to use software than hardware radio
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so much more flexible and less physical cables lying around
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[11:29] <BubUK> good morning
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning
[11:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, VAC is a must if you are using your radio daily but if its just set up for a one time hab chase stereomix is fine
[11:31] <BubUK> im having a nightmare with an sdrplay sdr radio and dl-fldigi !
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Must be the day for people playing with SDR fr the first time!
[11:32] <BubUK> haha. possibly. ive had the sdr for a while but thought id try to decode some lora packets ... just wont play ball
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It won't LoRa uses a propriety modem its not really available in software
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> dl-fldigi is not the route for LoRa
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you need to use a LoRa chipset to decode it
[11:34] <BubUK> really? i thought dlfldigi took care of that bit and the radio was just listening on a frequency using ssb ?
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No LoRA uses its own modulation and modem schemes nothing else will sensibly decode it, there is one nit of software available but its incomplete and only does a couple of modes.
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> nit/bit
[11:35] <BubUK> ah. yes, i had it working using a scanner but that was using apits board not lora
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that was RTTY then not LoRa there is a LoRa board available for PITS however
[11:36] <BubUK> yes, rtty
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The basic PITS board has the GPS and straight FSK Rtty built on it, then you add a seperate LoRa board if you want to use that route
[11:39] <BubUK> i think i see whats gone wrong now, rtty is off because of lora, ill fire it up again with rtty and see if that works
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You can have both running together at the same time
[11:39] <BubUK> ok, will do that
[11:40] <BubUK> whats the point of lora then if i could just use rtty?
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LoRa gives greater bandwidth and speed, so ideal for SSDV much larger higher res pictures alos the range is improved over rtty
[11:42] <BubUK> i should most likely stick to using 2 loras one on the tracker and one on the gateway
[11:42] <BubUK> and forget the bl&*dy sdr!
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Getting SDR working the first time only is the normal problem, as there are a lot of new terms and features, which if your not already into radio can be a bit daunting!
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Once you have it setup and understand what things do then its very flexible
[11:44] <BubUK> yes, i dont see why i cant get it to decode in fldigi
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Set the PITS up for RTTY and then SDR# and dl-fldigi will work fine
[11:51] <BubUK> thats what i thought, just getting noise though i think
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Screen grabs of the windows will help if you want advice
[11:53] <BubUK> thank you. im not seeing the 2 bands in fldigi and it's showing a load of junk characters so i must have something wrong. ironically, i can decode using 2 lora boards with no issue!
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You probaly don't have the baud rate / shift or data sctructures set right then, what format of RTTY are you sending Baud rate, frequency shift, Bits etc.
[11:55] <BubUK> in fldigi: 300 baud, 8,n,2 with a 450 shift
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah NOT seeing the two bands in dl-fldigi that will be the problem
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> does the bandwidth in SDR# encompass both peaks clearly ?
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[11:58] <daveake> It won't be 450 shift - more likely 800-900
[11:59] <BubUK> just trying both of those things
[11:59] <BubUK> hi dave by the way !
[12:00] <daveake> hiya
[12:00] Action: Geoff-G8DHE-M afk
[12:01] <daveake> make sure you're tiuned into the rtty signal not lora. Worthwhile removing any aerials from the lora transmitters; on some SDRs that will degrade the rtty
[12:01] <BubUK> ok
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
[12:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E_T_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E_T_chase
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0320 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[12:15] <BubUK> just doesnt seem to work whatever i do. never mind, ill stick to lora. thank you for your assistance.
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[12:29] <daveh> thanks all for your help, going to go away and have a head scratch...soo close
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[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N_chase
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[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-6 after 0318 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
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[17:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[18:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[19:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[19:39] <freq__> hello.
[19:45] <PE2BZ> hi
[20:07] <freq__> hi. working on learning how to track an hab project.
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[20:21] <freq__> hi
[20:23] <mfa298> if you've got questions the best bet is to ask them and then wait to see if someone's around an can answer them
[20:23] <mfa298> maybe also give us an idea of where in the world you are
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[20:38] <freq__> im in massachusetts, us.
[20:39] <freq__> i've got a pi in the sky kit and am preparing to run some tests to learn how to use it.
[20:40] <freq__> for a simple (in the backyard, on the ground) test--could i use just pigtails for aprs and radio tracker or wld I need to create an antenna?
[20:42] <mfa298> the radio licensing in the US is different to the UK, which I think means you'll need an amateur license for APRS and also for 434MHz rtty if you're using that
[20:43] <mfa298> you should probably have an antenna on the pits side, although it can be something fairly basic for testing. with low power output you might be ok without an antenna (I'm not sure what the PITS does for aprs)
[20:44] <freq__> yes, i got an amateur radio license just or this project and i opted for the 144.390 radiometrix module that should be good for the us.
[20:47] <freq__> the other radio module(non aprs) is a radiometrix mtx2-433-10.
[20:49] <freq__> im using a baofeng uv5r to receive. can i use the flexi antenna that came with it to test in the backyard?
[20:53] <mfa298> the baofeng will work for aprs, it won't be able to decode rtty on 434MHz if you have that setup as well
[20:54] <mfa298> as for antenna, you may find it works better with no antenna on the receiver for local testing. otherwise you may fidn the receiver is overloaded
[20:56] <freq__> what wld you suggest to decode rtty on 434mhz?
[20:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5AKH-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5AKH-9_chase
[21:02] <mfa298> you need a receiver capable of doing ssb on 434MHz for the rtty data
[21:04] <freq__> k.tx. looks like im going shopping.
[21:04] <mfa298> for testing the rtlsdr is a cheap option
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[21:25] <Darkside> morning
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[21:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
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[21:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SHSSP2 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHSSP2
[22:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-70 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-70
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[22:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ARG-2
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[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK5ARG-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ARG-1
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[22:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ZM-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ZM-9_chase
[23:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BCHAB1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCHAB1
[23:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BCHABP after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCHABP
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[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SHSSP1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHSSP1
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