highaltitude.log.20170116

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[00:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03toyo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=toyo_chase
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[04:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03APM9874_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=APM9874_chase
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[05:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[09:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BLAHCOUL01 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL01
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BLAHPR after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
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[09:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
[09:21] <fsphil> much blah blah
[09:21] <fsphil> oooh
[09:21] <fsphil> !whereis UBSEDS21
[09:21] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: 03UBSEDS21 was over 03Yukon, YT, Canada 10(65.73165,-140.14306) at 0314518 meters about 0311 hours ago
[09:21] <fsphil> hello again
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[09:38] <Vaizki> I guess everyone already saw this? https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/compute-module-3-launch/
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[09:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SH5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH5
[09:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
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[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
[10:21] Last message repeated 4 time(s).
[10:21] <Vaizki> blah blah blah
[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
[10:30] <Darkside> hrm
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[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
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[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03gfielddad_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=gfielddad_chase
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[12:53] <Ian_> Vaizki we have now. Thanks for the heads up. I'm OK at 3 and Zero, but certainly NEC in the ring is good. I think that the compute module seemed to be the ugly sister as most of us I imagine have rarely heard much about it's takeup and usage. win win I guess.
[12:54] <Vaizki> the ddr2 dimm slot is not the easiest diy solder job to get onto a custom carrier pcb...
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BK-Ostvest3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BK-Ostvest3
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[13:38] <mfa298> The CM/CM3 is really aimed at industrial users who can invest in designing and making a suitable carrier board to fit their needs.
[13:39] <mfa298> the only thing the CM modules might provide thats of interest to HAb is access to both camera interfaces
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[13:42] <daveake> yup
[13:44] <daveake> Hardly any amateur CM projects, that I know of anyway
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[13:52] <AndyEsser> I keep meaning to have a play with CM stuff - but as you've said - requires making the suitable carrier etc
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[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSKY2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSKY2
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Python_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Python_chase
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[15:03] <russss> I saw something which said that the CM3 had the wifi on, which would have made it quite interesting
[15:03] <russss> however it appears that was a lie
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[15:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC2
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SandC1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SandC1
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03baby_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=baby_chase
[16:43] <daveake> short chase, hopefully
[16:58] <Vaizki> babies are usually short
[17:01] <M6MUX> https://pinout.xyz/pinout/display_o_tron_hat - trying to get this to work with Lora HAT. seems theres a conflict.
[17:01] <M6MUX> it does look nice on my desk though :)
[17:02] <daveake> :-). I was looking at something similar but OLED last night. Also SPI
[17:02] <daveake> Will probably just use a text parallel LCD for that particular project, as I have a box full of them
[17:03] <daveake> One of those things where I bought several cheap, thinking they'd be useful some day, then forgot
[17:03] <M6MUX> any idea which pin is conflicting? I was able to get colours, buttons and bar chart on the side working, but no text.
[17:04] <M6MUX> This hat is just too nice....
[17:05] <daveake> Well the LoRa HAT doesn't use much, so check those pins (SPI + 2 DIO) with whatever the lcd thing uses
[17:05] <daveake> SPI seems likely
[17:06] <daveake> Useful guide - https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits-hardware/blob/master/Pits-Stacking-System-GPIO-Allocations.pdf
[17:12] <M6MUX> ah yes, thanks
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[17:14] <M6MUX> daveake: it is ce0/dio0 and ce0/nss :(
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[17:15] <M6MUX> and ce1/dio5
[17:15] <M6MUX> such a crying shame
[17:20] <daveake> You could DIY a LoRa board to use the second SPI controller, and mod the code to use spidev1.x instead of 0.x
[17:20] <daveake> See the SPI1 pins on https://pinout.xyz/pinout/spi
[17:21] <M6MUX> yeah, but it wouldnt be as #neat
[17:21] <daveake> yeah but what you have #don'twork
[17:21] <M6MUX> i wonder if theres a way to patch it in...
[17:22] <M6MUX> as in physically rewire the lora board gpio if it is not on the raspi.
[17:25] <daveake> #confused
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[17:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[17:48] <M6MUX> daveake: i mean by rewiring the hat - something like this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/pimoroni-black-hat-hack3r-for-raspberry-pi-n10ef if it has a pass through connector on the pi end.
[17:49] <M6MUX> but this fails on #neat
[17:50] <daveake> Was about to make exactly that point :)
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[18:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH5 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH5
[18:12] <Ian_> Working >= Neat
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[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGE_ME_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGE_ME_chase
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[19:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
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[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX_chase
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[20:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS22I - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS22I
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[21:06] <HABworx> Good Morning from Australia
[21:08] <HABworx> Just finished our 30th release and 30th recovery over the weekend. Feeling good because we needed the 4Wheel Drive to get to the site
[21:09] <HABworx> Dry creek bed almost bogged us. The fun of recovery in the middle of Australia - you never know what you will find
[21:10] <HABworx> Anyone around?
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[21:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can we work on a trade deal to swap our weather for yours for 6 months of the year ;-)
[21:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> Good evening from N Europe , some is around, its tv time I guess
[21:13] <HABworx> Hi everyone. - yes nice weather, but we got to 43C here a few days back - you might find that a bit harsh. The day of the flight was 28C - really nice
[21:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://tinyurl.com/hsfxe49
[21:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> sounds great as long as there is some wind, had -9 last night, not that bad and it getting warmer,
[21:14] <HABworx> Clear sky - zero cloud. We could see the balloon easily at over 7Km altitude
[21:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> cool
[21:14] <HABworx> We had to start to travel, but it would have been spotable at over 10KM altitude - we have seen that before when the sky is that clear
[21:15] <HABworx> The highest release we have seen was 11.1Km before we had to leave. That is clear and dry air.
[21:16] <HABworx> Wind when it is in the 40C - dries you out faster - Like wind chill - wind heating has s similar effect.
[21:17] <HABworx> Anyway drove right to the payload - could not see it in the stubble of a wheat field until we were 50m away - that stuff "eats" payloads from view.
[21:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> had no idea! not verry often it gets passed 30
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[21:17] <HABworx> Where are you Mike?
[21:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> Sweden
[21:18] <HABworx> Wow - what is HAB like up there?
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[21:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> I tens to release floaters, never done any up/down flights
[21:19] <HABworx> I did 2 flights in Croatia - some of the first legal flights - about 2 years ago. We recovered both of them. First time I had to consider land mines!
[21:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, tey got some left since the civil war
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[21:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> well I did one unintensional, a floater decended 50km away and I went for it
[21:20] <HABworx> I guess I do a lot of science and the occassional commercial flight. Mine are paid for by other mostly. My mate ASndy in Melbourne does the floaters around the world.
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[21:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> in the middel of the forest, took some time to find it
[21:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> vk3yt?
[21:21] <HABworx> Trees - I hate trees
[21:21] <HABworx> Yes - that is Andy. Spoke with him on the phone yesterday. We used to work in the same company, but never knew each other.
[21:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> :) we kind of have lot of it here, I have been tracking down some wx sondes, some stuck in trees
[21:22] <HABworx> This is one of my upcoming flights: http://wotzup.com/2016/07/new-mars-flight-challenge/
[21:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> watched his apperence on youtube in UKHAS CONFERENCE 2015
[21:23] <HABworx> My company is working on grants for a startospheric flier - 30m long and will stay in place with batteries and solar power and "propellers)
[21:24] <HABworx> Great guy. We have met a couple of time on some up down flights. He lives about 800Km away so we meet in the middle.
[21:25] <HABworx> Most of my work demands we get back the payloads so I concentrate on that. I value my 100% recovery and I have an approved area I fly in that has few trees! Did I say I HATE TREES
[21:26] <Darkside> at least at your launch site ytou can go in any direction
[21:27] <Darkside> we can really only go east...
[21:27] <Darkside> which limits us a bit
[21:27] <HABworx> I drive 7 hours to get to my site that is approved by our Civil Aviation Air Safety group
[21:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> I will read all of the page you linked, interesting!
[21:27] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[21:27] <Darkside> 7 hours sucks a bit
[21:28] <Darkside> were were able to get a 5th site added to our list the other day which was nice
[21:28] <Darkside> as we have a dual-site launch on sunday
[21:28] <Darkside> mclaren vale and mt barker
[21:28] <Darkside> same time, same payloads,
[21:28] <Darkside> similar objectives
[21:29] <Darkside> live NIR / visible imagery off both payloads
[21:29] <HABworx> We can only go through the jet stream so it is predominantly west to east until the Startosphere and then it comes back for a while, but when it falls back through the jet stream, it usually ends up east of the launch point.
[21:29] <HABworx> With 300kph jet streams, you have to be careful to shoot through fast going up and down or we leave our approved area and that can be a problem for fines.
[21:29] <Darkside> well thats what the predictor is for
[21:30] <Darkside> the GFS models are very good a few days out
[21:30] <Darkside> not so good a week out mind you...
[21:30] <HABworx> Ahh - Darkside - I just realised it was you. Great to catch up. I never get you on the phone.
[21:30] <Darkside> yeah i've been stupid busy
[21:30] <Darkside> work and ballooning
[21:31] <Darkside> got this SHSSP launch this weekend
[21:31] <HABworx> SHSSP?
[21:31] <Darkside> been working with the students a lot on the payloads
[21:31] <Darkside> southern hemisphere space studies program
[21:31] <Darkside> run out of UniSA, team project is this dual balloon launch
[21:31] <Darkside> payloads focused on remote sensing applications
[21:32] <Darkside> in this case Near-IR and visible imagery
[21:32] <Darkside> students will be doing live processing of the images as they get downlinked
[21:32] <Darkside> also flying an IMU on the payload, so the images can be georeferenced live
[21:32] <HABworx> We are getting ready for the Mars work. Looks like I might get Woomera to fly a helicopter over a salt lake and drop our Mars test penertrators for the test!
[21:32] <Darkside> lat/long/alt/quaternion
[21:33] <Darkside> ok, time to get ready for work... meetings all day today
[21:33] <Darkside> cya
[21:33] <HABworx> Sweet stuff. The flight the other day had Arduino gear on board - not programmed by me, but it failed. Every other time it ran fine evidently!
[21:33] <HABworx> \
[21:33] <HABworx> CYA
[21:34] <Darkside> check out the live imagery stuff when tou get a shot: http://www.areg.org.au/archives/206627
[21:35] <Darkside> thats been flowon on the last few flights with good results
[21:35] <Darkside> 1080P snapshots, downlinked in about 30 seconds
[21:35] <Darkside> with 50mw
[21:36] <HABworx> I will. Did you see we had approval and flew a steerable parachute? The risk assessment was crazy to get through, but it was probably the first legal sterable unless you know of another in Australia.
[21:36] <Darkside> its basically only you and me doing launches in australia
[21:36] <Darkside> so yes, its probably the first
[21:36] <HABworx> That is why I asked you!!!
[21:36] <Darkside> payload centre of mass would have had to be just below the parachute for that to work though, right?
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[21:37] <HABworx> Yes, it was close - it was not one that filled the slots, but being small we could use a more rigit material to keep the shape. It worked well
[21:37] <Darkside> k
[21:38] <Darkside> always like the idea of being able to steer the payloads home, but if it limits us to having everythign in a single box then i see it as being more pain
[21:38] <HABworx> The slots would never fill at altitude. It means that I can avoid trees!
[21:38] <Darkside> we prefer to spread out our payloads, to avoid RF issues
[21:39] <Darkside> given the amount of telemetry/images and stuff we downlink and uplink, everythign in one box becomes a problem
[21:39] <Darkside> and is uspect the steering part wont work so well if the payloads are apread out 10m below it
[21:39] <Darkside> so... we just cut-down when required
[21:39] <HABworx> It can be a large payload so long at the actuators are close and immediately below the parahute
[21:39] <Darkside> to avoid bad places
[21:39] <Darkside> the cut-down payload has come a looong way
[21:40] <Darkside> now supports multiple payloads on the same frequency, with TDMA
[21:40] <Darkside> no more IC-7000 required to trigger it
[21:40] <Darkside> anyway, really have to get going
[21:40] <Darkside> cya
[21:41] <HABworx> I believe that having stuff 10m below is not too bad if the main mass is immediately below. Steerable military chutes often drop the non humans stuff before the human slows more and then fully flares out.
[21:41] <HABworx> CYA
[21:42] <HABworx> We are also building device for APRS, but will support camera images and supervisory on other channels using the same transmitter.
[21:42] <HABworx> Talk moe later on that.
[21:49] <HABworx> Okay - that was a fast and furious chat with Mark and others. I'm Robert and I am the only other real active HAB guy in Australia for the big payloads.
[21:52] <HABworx> I realise that I am not known here and maybe I should appear more as I can share experiences. I have completed 30 flights here and abroad. My claim to fame is that I have never lost a payload.
[21:53] <HABworx> That seems to get me a lot of customers who need their gear back and that includes people from outside of Australia. I don't guarantee that - just work hard to give it the best chance.
[21:53] <HABworx> I am happy to work with any one with interesting projects and add our expertise into the mix.
[21:54] <HABworx> See you all later - mark knows how to get me if anyone needs to contact me. Yes we are building a stratospheric flier with a Sydney Uni and we are working on a real Mars mission
[21:55] <HABworx> and two potential Mars fliers for testing. I work in the aerospace sector.
[21:55] <HABworx> CYA
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[23:15] Action: Laurenceb__ has a new FC https://i.sli.mg/a/PQzcpg
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[23:19] <richardeoin> Laurenceb__: nice
[23:19] <richardeoin> how is it powered?
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> 4xAAA
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> or alternatively the huge capacitor
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> its designed to power igniters with high current demand off the same supply
[23:21] <richardeoin> ah hence the huge capacitor?
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> which saves about 45grams
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[23:21] <richardeoin> 4700µF?
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> yeah, only I went through the box and found some were up to 5000µF
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[23:23] <Laurenceb__> its pretty simple: goes up, launches rocket and comes back down
[23:24] <Laurenceb__> so barebones tracker but it has to have uplink, rate gyro for stability testing, and output for triggering gopro to film launch
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[23:38] <M6MUX> laurenceb__: sure that url is right?
[23:39] <Laurenceb__> uhuh?
[23:39] <M6MUX> https://i.sli.mg/a/PQzcpg doesnt work for me
[23:39] <M6MUX> conn refused
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> how odd
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/Xiz8bJ.jpg ?
[23:40] <M6MUX> nope
[23:41] <M6MUX> got it on my phone
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