highaltitude.log.20170112

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[06:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE6AZX-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE6AZX-12
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[06:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ARG-1
[06:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ARG-2
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[08:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-2
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[08:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[09:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHSSP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHSSP1
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[09:42] <AndyEsser> morning
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[09:44] <fsphil> morns
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[10:29] <pb0ahx> GM all
[10:29] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ->437.7MHz/RTTY/100bd/7n2 10(cff8)
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[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03THS_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=THS_LORA
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[12:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[12:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL01 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL01
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
[12:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:55] <fsphil> blah blah
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
[12:57] <daveake> blah
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
[12:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:58] <AndyEsser> blah
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[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
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[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
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[13:17] <daveake> persistent object
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[13:21] <Avi> lol
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
[13:41] Last message repeated 8 time(s).
[13:41] <Avi> still its going
[13:42] <Ian_> Is this persistent object an APRS phenomena/artifact?
[13:43] <Ian_> We have seen the phenomena before, but I can't remember what the problem was which caused the phenomena.
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHCOUL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHCOUL02
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[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK08YFL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK08YFL_chase
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[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLAHPR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLAHPR
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[15:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4YVM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4YVM
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[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSKY2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSKY2
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[16:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Python_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Python_chase
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[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[19:34] <hairgoneJohn> hi. I'm a newbie. Anyone at home please?
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[19:42] <mfa298> hairgoneJohn: hello, there's usually a few people around, but sometimes takes a while for people to appear
[19:43] <mfa298> if you've got questions it's sometimes best to just ask
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[19:51] <hairgoneJohn> hi. i want to launch a test pico balloon and need a cheap gps module. Any thoughts please?
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[19:55] <craag> hairgoneJohn: decent & cheapish: https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_64&product_id=72
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[19:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> hi all!
[19:55] <craag> you can find ublox on ebay for cheaper, but they'll tend to be older/more power hungry, and fakes have also been found.
[19:56] <hairgoneJohn> I has seen ublox on ebay for less tahn £6. What is the difference between the ublox modules?
[19:57] <hairgoneJohn> for instance He NEO -6M for £5.95
[19:57] <craag> -6 series are more power hungry
[19:57] <craag> newer -8 are concurrent gps/glonass, so often give better position accuracy
[19:58] <hairgoneJohn> £25 seems a lot when it won't be recovered
[19:58] <craag> If you're happy with the extra power draw then the cheap one may be fine :)
[19:59] <hairgoneJohn> Any ideas of power draw difference?
[20:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GPS-Module-GM10-3pcs-lot-Biwin-U-blox-GPS-Module-Smallest-Size-10-1-9-7mm/32454511979.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.PvSW8u
[20:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> pin compatible with the max series
[20:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> a little bit more power hungry then the max7
[20:01] <craag> hairgoneJohn: ~~15mA for -6, and ~5mA for -7 and later off the top of my head.
[20:01] <craag> I may be wrong - you should check the datasheets
[20:01] <adamgreig> no way is that pin compat with max
[20:01] <adamgreig> max is square
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[20:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> it is, I have it solderded and tested on a max pcb,
[20:02] <adamgreig> what chipset is inside? does it speak ubx?
[20:02] <adamgreig> it looks so rectangular on the photo...
[20:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> probably is a ublox inside
[20:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> with other support componets
[20:03] <adamgreig> looks a lot more square in the 4th photo i guess
[20:05] <gurlavie_> Hi, anyone have some recommendations on the best way to fill Helium to a floater tied to TWO (2) metalized balloons ? I mean how to make sure one is not dragging the other to a burst ?
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[20:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> I do it like I take totla weight of allt component, tracker antenna battey and so on,
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[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> then a take some scrap cable and cut it to same weight as calculated of total payload mass
[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> + 2 grams
[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> cut it in two
[20:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> make an aditional 0,5 grma wire
[20:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> *gram
[20:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> when you fill first balloon make it float with first half of the wire and ad the 0,5 gram one and it should drop
[20:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> slowly
[20:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> repeat on balloon two
[20:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> you will without dowt overfill its just a tad to make it over the edge
[20:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have found papper straws that I can insert to went GAS OUT OF THE BALLON WITHOUS DAMAGING THE filling hole
[20:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> DONT put a plastic straw or aquaruim tube ore othe platic/rubber tube in the balloons filling hole as it will stick to it and damage the ballon --scarp--
[20:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> it gos scrap
[20:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> *goes
[20:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> you will need a verry accurate scale
[20:15] <gurlavie_> Just to understand. If my original weight of the half of the cable is : is 0.5payload+1gram
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> I´m using this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pocket-Digital-Jewelry-Scale-Weight-500g-x-0-1g-0-01g-Balance-Electronic-Gram-/381609454924?var=&hash=item58d9b22d4c:m:mhcbE6cq5Eli5zMmZSeJWhg,
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pocket-Digital-Jewelry-Scale-Weight-500g-x-0-1g-0-01g-Balance-Electronic-Gram-/381609454924?var=&hash=item58d9b22d4c:m:mhcbE6cq5Eli5zMmZSeJWhg
[20:16] <gurlavie_> And When I add the 0.5gr, it drops.
[20:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> jepp
[20:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> drops slowly yes
[20:16] <gurlavie_> It means that the free lift is 1gr-1.5 gr
[20:16] <gurlavie_> and total of two balloons it will be 2-3gr ?
[20:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> about that yes
[20:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> and I´m using some fast drying super glue to seal the balloon
[20:18] <gurlavie_> thats genius. didn't think of how to seal it....
[20:20] <gurlavie_> I just wonder, dont you want a higher neck lift ? like total of 7gr ?
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> that I dont know, but I should try max 2,5grams on each balloon in first test
[20:21] <gurlavie_> ok. great. thanks for the insights !
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can try prestreach the balloons before to minimze chance of early burst, just pump it realy hard with air and let it bee for an hour and then deflate,
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> :) , gl on your launch!!
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[20:26] <gurlavie_> How do I know what is "really hard" ? I mean, how can I make sure not to burst it myself ?
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[20:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> withous byinga verry expensice pressure meter I go with gust feeling, its more to get the wrincles out in room temperature then in -45
[20:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> hope you get what I just wrote, spelling!! :)
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[21:29] <gurlavie_> yes yes.....this is a great idea.
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