highaltitude.log.20161230

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[00:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[01:50] <rballoons> i want to write a script to send a prediction request to habhub and then download the csv, does anyone know how to do that?
[01:51] <rballoons> its the first step of my project. im not exactly a programmer
[01:51] <rballoons> i was thinking of writing it in python
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[01:52] <rballoons> originally I looked into Imacros to do it, but the free version doesn't allow you to use the api, so i was going to use some sort of scraping in python
[01:52] <rballoons> wget? curl? python requests?
[01:53] <rballoons> then I want to take that data and find the burst coordinates, and then eventually take that and put it into hysplit for float prediction
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[05:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03XX after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[10:33] <pb0ahx> GM all
[10:33] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:33] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Epsom 4 10(0586), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 0350.625 144.675 RTTY200 7n2 10(d6d7), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
[10:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> morning!
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[12:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:18] <guest01> Hi, any news on the Epsom launch?
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[12:28] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> Do we have any info, is the Epson4 going to airborne?
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[12:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BDBC7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BDBC7
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[12:55] <g8fjg> bdbc 434.600
[12:56] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> thanks!
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[12:56] <g8fjg> 50/420 ish
[12:57] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> is it expected to go high?
[12:57] <g8fjg> I have no info
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[13:00] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> 434.6 or 434.4?
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[13:02] <g8fjg> 434.600
[13:05] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> thanks...lets hope it will come south
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[13:12] <g0hdi> Got a green Yay!
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[13:15] <GyroW> Hi, I never could've guessed this is a hobby
[13:15] <GyroW> This is amazing
[13:15] <g0hdi> Pretty cool, right?
[13:17] <GyroW> Yeah I've always wanted to launch a balloon and track where it goes but always came to the conclusion that I won't ever be able to retrieve it
[13:19] <g0hdi> If it's too far you just hope someone will return it to the address enclosed or put it down to experience I guess.
[13:20] <GyroW> True
[13:21] <GyroW> Wow this RSIST balloon travelled that much?
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[13:22] <g0hdi> Some circumnavigate the world, many times even!
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> yhou can also only launch when it's predicted to go a short distance
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> A properly filled balloon is not going to go round the world, but will burst in a couple of hours.
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[13:23] <SpeedEvil> If you pick the right day, this can be almost guaranteed to land within 50km
[13:23] <GyroW> Ah so it's not like that they always travel crazy distances
[13:23] <GyroW> Man this is cool
[13:24] <g8fjg> RSIST track ...Think you'll find its gps unlocked or just a test
[13:25] <GyroW> Right
[13:25] <GyroW> That's more likely
[13:25] <g0hdi> Depends a lot on wind direction and speed. See here for current conditions http://www.qsl.net/g0hdi/HAB.htm
[13:26] <GyroW> so this bdbc7 balloon just launched a couple hours ago
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> http://predict.habhub.org/
[13:27] <g0hdi> Yes
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> this allows you to run a prediction.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Zoom out, click 'set from map' on the bottom right position and then click your location and run prediction
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> This then shows you a 'standard' launch profile.
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> If I launched one now, it's going (from Fife) a couple of hundred miles into the sea
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> IF I launched one at this time of day on the first, it mostly goes over land, and bursts near sunderland and lands near harrowgate
[13:31] <PE2BZ> !dial bdbc
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:31] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Epsom 4 10(0586), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 0350.625 144.675 RTTY200 7n2 10(d6d7), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[13:31] <PE2BZ> !dial 0586
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(0586): 03434.5992 MHz, 434.6 MHz
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[13:33] <GyroW> So I see most of you use your callsign as nickname
[13:34] <g0hdi> Sig stopped?
[13:35] <g8fjg> just crossed meridian
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> GyroW: an anomoly of those happening to talk now
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[13:38] <g0hdi> Anyone still getting data?
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[13:42] <michal_f_away> RSIST looks like nuclear attack scenario
[13:42] <michal_f_away> far east vs middle east ...
[13:45] <g8fjg> g0hdi: no just a carrier
[13:45] <g0hdi> Same here
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[13:48] <g8fjg> PE2BZ : hi Ben.. PI7CIS was 50db up on normal last night.caught 1corrupt video packet from HU8JZ ..I thought it might happen!!
[13:50] <PE2BZ> g8fjg sorry to hear. Indeed signals where way up last night ! But it still can happen, even this year ;-)
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[13:51] <g8fjg> I'm sure ..if it had been telemetry only would have been fine ,,keep on trying :)
[13:52] <g8fjg> it lives
[13:53] <g0hdi> yup
[13:56] <GyroW> :o tried installing the dl-fldigi software on arch from git
[13:56] <GyroW> crashes
[13:56] <GyroW> during makepkg
[14:00] <PE2BZ> g8fjg I tried SSDV on the telemetry mode ;-) Did not work....
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[14:01] <ksrm> what is BDBC7 using? lora?
[14:03] <PE2BZ> rtty 425 shift 50 bd
[14:19] <g8fjg> afk
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[14:30] <DJ3AK> !dial bdbc7
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03DJ3AK: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(0586): 03434.59837 MHz, 434.598 MHz
[14:33] <g8fjg> map not updating
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[14:35] <DJ3AK> as if sent timestamt lies in the past
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[14:37] <daveake> Current timestamps look about right; it was the earlier one that had a value in the future
[14:37] <DJ3AK> hi, thanks, hwat a pity
[14:41] <g8fjg> so might be ok in about 10mins ?
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[14:43] <DJ3AK> As it looks, the whole message including the timestamp is CRC-protected.
[14:44] <daveake> Yes the error is (almost certainly) before the CRC was added
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[14:47] <dbrooke> it's only an XOR CRC so fairly easy to get a false pass, I received a timestamp in the future on its last flight
[14:47] <fsphil> someone still using 8-bit timestamps?
[14:47] <daveake> Blimey, didn't notice that
[14:47] <daveake> How 2010
[14:48] <dbrooke> it was during your high update rate flight so was doubly confusing as time seemed to be drifting in different directions for different flights
[14:50] <dbrooke> map should catch up about now
[14:51] <dbrooke> yep
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[14:54] <dbrooke> the frequency drifting also adds a retro touch
[14:55] <daveake> It just dropped then regained 10km altitude
[14:56] <daveake> My money is on coding errors rather than radio
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[15:15] <SV3ISZ_Vasilis> Is BDBC7 carrying a battery or it is going to stop transmit when is dark??
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[15:38] <GyroW> Guys I'm missing jsoncpp.h habitat/Extractor.h habitat/UploaderThread.h to build dl-fldigi
[15:41] <PE2BZ> BDBC7 is carrying a fridge and an oven in one housing :-(
[15:43] <dbrooke> GyroW: if you're using git there's a submodule which needs installing
[15:43] <GyroW> habitat-cpp-connector?
[15:45] <dbrooke> think git submodule init will pull it in but it's a while since I did it
[15:46] <dbrooke> may also need git submodule update
[15:49] <GyroW> Maybe, just maybe, can I not install alongside fldigi?
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[16:12] <GyroW> I think i installed it, now this error occurs: http://pastebin.com/XTabY6yX
[16:13] <GyroW> I'm not a programmer but I googled it and it has to do with bad declaration?
[16:28] <dbrooke> before those errors did it fail to include a header file? I suspect you may be missing a library it needs
[16:29] <GyroW> yeah jsoncpp and such
[16:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO9HO-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO9HO-11
[16:30] <g8fjg> for me last trace of BDBC7 was at 16:19 on 434.600.300
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[16:38] <GyroW> I don't get it though, to install habitat-cpp-connector you need habitat but it isn't available for install??
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[16:45] <dbrooke> habitat-cpp-connector was the only specific library and I used the git submodule for that, all the other dependencies were available as packages in the distro and I just installed them as I found they were needed
[16:45] <dbrooke> unfortunately I don't remember which ones were needed
[16:47] <GyroW> so wait what command did u run? git submodule https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-cpp-connector ?
[16:47] <adamgreig> git submodule update --init
[16:47] <adamgreig> but you'l need to install jsoncpp etc
[16:47] <adamgreig> basically always only look at the very first error
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[16:48] <GyroW> but how do i instal jsoncpp? there's only .h .cpp and a LICENSE file
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[16:55] <dbrooke> jsoncpp is bundled in the habitat-cpp-connector submodule
[16:55] <dbrooke> so if you have that in place it should be OK
[16:56] <dbrooke> for reference I found a likley list of the dependent packages in my apt history for Debian http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-dsQPq8
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[17:23] <GyroW> Right so I recloned all the stuff and did git submodule update --init
[17:23] <GyroW> I still get the error with cw_rtty/rtty.cxx
[17:23] <GyroW> errors
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[17:29] <fox123> hello friends knows someone frequency and mode BDBC7
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> !flights
[17:31] <SpacenearUS> 03SpeedEvil: Current flights: 03Epsom 4 10(0586), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 0350.625 144.675 RTTY200 7n2 10(d6d7), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[17:31] <lz1dev> !dial BDBC7
[17:31] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(687d): 03434.598901 MHz, 434.598 MHz, 434.5989 MHz, 434.59947 MHz, 434.5988 MHz, 434.598732 MHz, 434.598803 MHz
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> !dial BDBC7
[17:31] <SpacenearUS> 03SpeedEvil: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(687d): 03434.598901 MHz, 434.598 MHz, 434.5989 MHz, 434.59947 MHz, 434.5988 MHz, 434.598732 MHz, 434.598803 MHz
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[17:33] <dbrooke> GyroW: which git repository have you cloned it from?
[17:33] <dbrooke> fox123: it seemed to stop transmitting about 2 hours ago
[17:45] <GyroW> git clone https://github.com/ukhas/dl-fldigi
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[17:48] <dbrooke> OK, I'll try building that one but previously I've used https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[17:53] <dbrooke> the ukhas one fails for me, albeit with different errors to yours, so maybe try the jamescoxon one which seems to be more up to date
[17:53] <GyroW> yeah running make now
[17:54] <GyroW> k runs for a lot longer
[17:55] <GyroW> and there's an error
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[17:56] <GyroW> main.cxx: In function double speed_test(int, unsigned int):
[17:56] <GyroW> main.cxx:1552:13: error: invalid conversion from const void* to void* [-fpermissive]
[17:56] <GyroW> memset(src.data_in, 0, src.input_frames * sizeof(float));
[17:56] <GyroW> ~~~~^~~~~~~
[17:57] <dbrooke> let me retry a clean build from that repo
[17:59] <dbrooke> takes a while to clone ...
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[18:03] <dbrooke> building ...
[18:03] <GyroW> Takes a while yeah
[18:03] <dbrooke> built OK for me
[18:05] <GyroW> fuck me
[18:05] <GyroW> so
[18:05] <Ian_> Nice offer, but I think that I will decline it. Family centric channel
[18:06] <dbrooke> your error looks like maybe a compiler being more pedantic, I'm using gcc version 5.4.0
[18:06] <GyroW> 6.2.1
[18:07] <Ian_> What flags are you using for gcc, as that may be a concern?
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[18:09] <GyroW> How do I see that?
[18:09] <dbrooke> should be in the Makefile but I didn'r chnage anything there
[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX
[18:09] <GyroW> neither did i
[18:09] <GyroW> ..
[18:12] <craag> Looks like that's a gcc change of what was previously a warning in 5.4, to an error in previous versions
[18:13] <craag> It'd be worth checking upstream fldigi to see if they've patched it
[18:13] <GyroW> So can I fix it in the code? or can I ignore the error
[18:13] <craag> you might be able to ignore it with -fpermissive
[18:13] <GyroW> make -fpermissive ?
[18:14] <craag> no, you'll need to add -fpermissive to CFLAGS or similar in the Makefile
[18:14] <craag> one sec
[18:14] <craag> I assume from that gcc version, you're running arch ;)
[18:14] <GyroW> yeah...
[18:15] <craag> Hehe - my coworker does too, we have these type of problems a lot :)
[18:16] <GyroW> Had openSUSE for an hour before Arch and before that fedora and debian even further back but had some bugs that I couldn't even google so said fuck it
[18:17] <craag> I used to arch, but after turning up to meetings with a laptop that couldn't boot or wifi, I dropped back to jumping between ubuntu lts'.
[18:17] <craag> right
[18:17] <craag> m4/build.m4
[18:17] <craag> line 18
[18:17] <craag> add -fpermissive after -fexceptions
[18:18] <craag> and then try compiling again
[18:18] <GyroW> same
[18:19] <craag> did you do all the compile steps, starting from clean with ./configure?
[18:19] <craag> after editing that file
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[18:20] <GyroW> no
[18:20] <GyroW> autoreconf -fi too?
[18:20] <craag> yeah, might be best to clone it again somewhere else, edit that file, and then go through it all again
[18:21] <craag> I haven't found a copy of the full install steps - so not sure exactly what stage it uses that file
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[18:26] <dbrooke> with C programs I've sometimes had to override the default language standard for older sources but I think for c++ the default is gnu++14 which sounds like it should be old enough
[18:27] <dbrooke> it seems remarkably difficult to find out the defaults for particular gcc versions
[18:27] <craag> Yeah I think this is something that's been 'non-conformant' in the standard for a while, but older gcc only warns, whereas the newer version is throwing a fatal error. -fpermissive may reduce it back to a warning.
[18:28] <craag> Not the ideal fix, but might get a compile if we're lucky :)
[18:28] <GyroW> right rebuilding now
[18:28] <GyroW> fingers crossed
[18:30] <GyroW> ok we're past that
[18:30] <GyroW> still going
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[18:31] <GyroW> still going
[18:32] Action: jcoxon is excited
[18:32] <GyroW> I am too :D
[18:34] <GyroW> \o/
[18:34] <GyroW> it's done
[18:35] <GyroW> Party
[18:35] <GyroW> :D
[18:35] <GyroW> Love you guys <3 <3
[18:38] <dbrooke> gcc 5.4.0 (which worked for me) default is apparently -std=gnu++98 so that might be another (possibly better) way to workaround it, 6.3.0 is -std=gnu++14
[18:39] <dbrooke> anyway, main thing is you have a build
[18:41] <craag> ah yes - I assumed 5.4.0 would have been ++14
[18:41] <GyroW> it works indeed
[18:42] <dbrooke> me too but eventually found it https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-5.4.0/gcc/Standards.html
[18:42] <GyroW> though now
[18:42] <GyroW> where is the software installed
[18:42] <dbrooke> src/dl-fldigi --hab
[18:43] <GyroW> i can start it from /home/gyrow/hab/dl-fldigi/src/dl-fldigi --hab
[18:43] <dbrooke> is how to invoke
[18:43] <dbrooke> I just run it frem there
[18:43] <GyroW> right
[18:44] <dbrooke> not sure if there's a system wide make target
[18:44] <dbrooke> for installing it
[18:44] <GyroW> Well, if I only need the src folder i could mov eit to /opt
[18:45] <craag> have you tried 'make install' ?
[18:46] <GyroW> no ._.
[18:46] <GyroW> did now though
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[18:46] <GyroW> thanks :p
[18:46] <GyroW> Is it normal though to have the configuration menu pop up every time?
[18:46] <dbrooke> I think so, until you've set a few things
[18:49] <dbrooke> see the dl-fldigi part of https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[18:49] <daveake> 67yyyyyyyyy65
[18:49] <dbrooke> oops, new password time?
[18:49] <GyroW> lel
[18:52] <michal_f> I'm running simultaneously two instances of dl-fldigi, same config, different virtual cables selected. I successfully decoded a frame but I'm not sure it was uploaded to hab.
[18:52] <michal_f> could two runs of fldigi be a problem ?
[18:55] <michal_f> ok. it's allright now
[18:55] <PE2BZ> michal_f I have 2 instances of dl-fldigi running almost all time
[18:55] <dbrooke> I've only done that with different configs and the --config-dir option which worked fine, not sure otherwise
[18:55] <PE2BZ> one sdr and one Icom radio
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[19:02] <GyroW> yay decoding the .wav file on the wiki works
[19:08] <daveake> re 67yyyy ... I think that's my cat's password :p
[19:10] <daveake> more secure than many of mine :/
[19:10] <fsphil> cathub
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[19:15] <GyroW> Hmm fldigi and dl-flidigi can be installed at once that's good
[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WO9N-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WO9N-7
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[19:44] <Ian_> of dl_fldigi build bits not password habits :)
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[19:57] <GyroW> So I should just attach the spk out of my radio to my line in on my pc?
[19:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> mic in on pc yes
[19:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> if you have line in fine to
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[20:06] <kc2pit_> Keep the radio's volume low if you're doing that. I may have killed a mic input that way once.
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> Also make very sure of the grounds.
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[20:14] <GyroW> Whats a safer way of doing it?
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth audio transmitter and reciever.
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> (sort of kidding)
[20:14] <GyroW> >.>
[20:15] <GyroW> i hate bluetooth, it never works for me
[20:15] <GyroW> basically a cheap external usb sound dongle
[20:15] <GyroW> that basically is a buffer
[20:16] <kc2pit_> The $3 dongles are a good idea as a sacrificial input stage.
[20:16] <kc2pit_> And somewhere, I have a 100k audio-taper pot wired into the middle of a 3mm audio cable for this sort of thing.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Only sort of kidding, because they are unlikely to limit ~3KHz audio much.
[20:18] <GyroW> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1USB-to-3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-PC3D-Sound-Card-mic-headphone-Jack-Stereo-Headset-/371571425160?hash=item568361ff88:g:zWUAAOSwZQxW4TDh
[20:18] <GyroW> something like that basically
[20:19] <kc2pit_> Yep. Apparently, I overpaid by a factor of 3.
[20:19] <GyroW> is it the same :p?
[20:19] <kc2pit_> I think so.
[20:20] <GyroW> What OS do you run Windows or linux?
[20:20] <kc2pit_> Both, in various places.
[20:20] <GyroW> Well does it work with linux?
[20:21] <kc2pit_> I don't remember if I've plugged it into a linux box yet. Probably.
[20:21] <GyroW> right, I know it'll probably work but waiting for a month and then having it not work to have to order another :/
[20:26] <kc2pit_> Plugging it into my nearest linux box (a C.H.I.P.) looks encouraging. Happy-looking things come from dmesg, ending in " usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio".
[20:27] <Ian_> My daily SUSE Linux box is a server and with one of those dongles and the headphones, I haven't thought about sound cards for a few years. It just works
[20:30] <mfa298> GyroW: I've used something similar on a Pi with dl-fldigi so I'd guess it would work on a regular linux pc.
[20:31] <mfa298> not tried on my CHIP, I don't think I'd have much luck getting dl-fldigi to work on that.
[20:31] <adamgreig> mfa298: https://github.com/adamgreig/rigchip
[20:31] <adamgreig> know what you need... :P
[20:32] <adamgreig> i use pulseaudio over the network to route sound from my chip into fldigi on my desktop
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[20:33] <adamgreig> complete galvanic isolation from radio to my computer over wifi
[20:33] <adamgreig> and lets me remote control the radio while I'm at it, plus powers off the radio :P
[20:34] <mfa298> my CHIP comment was mostly in relation to kc2pit_'s comment
[20:35] <mfa298> although someone on the CHIP bbs reckognised my username from here and wondered when the first chip will get launched
[20:35] <adamgreig> hah
[20:35] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[20:36] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong (PM ?)
[20:36] <cm13g09> mfa298: you got it :)
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[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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