[00:00] <G8APZ> otherwise, it may/will mean a lost payload and no data
[00:00] <berry120> I think that's the only sensible way forward really - which in some ways is fair enough, if you're a complete beginner I see how these things can get missed if you don't know what to search for
[00:00] <craag> We've given them enough info on what they should do, next step is for them to choose to listen, or not. Their choice :)
[00:01] <G8APZ> I know it is part of learning... but it can be a huge disappointment and loss of kit
[00:01] <craag> Given that this is BDBC, I doubt they're planning to recover anyway
[00:01] <craag> their rules don't require it
[00:02] <adamgreig> if this passed/passes their scrutineering then I don't think much of the scrutineering lol
[00:02] <G8APZ> I'd want my package... it's the final achievement!
[00:03] <craag> adamgreig: With the canary wharf one, the scrutineer on site was apparently fine with the prediction..
[00:03] <adamgreig> what exactly are they scrutining lol
[00:03] <berry120> Well, either way - it'd still be a loss in the sense that they would launch and then nothing would ever be received again ;)
[00:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NLDPT02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NLDPT02
[00:04] <G8APZ> Canary wharf is horridly close to London City a/p
[00:06] <adamgreig> among other issues. like being a densely populated urban area in the centre of london.
[00:09] <G8APZ> should be a no-fly zone
[00:10] <mfa298> the route it was predicted to take to canary wharf was possibly worse than the Canary wharf landing position (very close if not over heathrow)
[00:11] <G8APZ> I have seen previous HAB flights pass over LHR runways... even if at altitude....
[00:11] <G8APZ> and RAF Lakenheath!
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[00:12] <craag> A landing of a mystery package, potentially without a parachute, near canary wharf, no matter what the route, is many times more likely to go wrong than an airspace intrusion IMO.
[00:13] <mfa298> I think that one also had issues with being able to track before launch (lack of working receivers)
[00:13] <G8APZ> aargh
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[00:18] <G8APZ> They say "Our plan is to launch Tuesday 29th Dec"... erm...today is Tuesday 27th in UK....
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[00:27] <mfa298> earlier they say tomorrow so I'd guess that means 27th
[00:30] <daveake> yeah sounds like it.
[00:30] <daveake> hopefully they will heed the warnings and have a rethink
[00:36] <mfa298> after the canary wharf lot I wouldn't be surprised if they launched anyway (and the scrutiners let them launch regardless of whether it actually works)
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[00:39] <daveake> Was that Isle of Wight flight also part of this challenge ?
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[00:49] <daveake> 'cos, from the photos, if that was notam-exempt I'm a banana
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[00:57] <mfa298> I don't think the have to be notam exemp for the challenge, just use small balloons
[01:00] <mfa298> balloon has to be under 2m at all points, but there's no requirement that the whole system has to be within that 2m (as long as they get caa approval for >2m payloads)
[01:01] <daveake> ah ok, I thought the challenge was for <2m. I didn't notice if they had a notam or not for that one
[01:02] <mfa298> http://www.bdballoonchallenge.org/rules.html
[01:02] <daveake> yeah I just read that
[01:03] <mfa298> rules seem to be fairly well written, just a shame the schools (and scrutineers) don't seem to read them.
[01:05] <daveake> hmmm
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[01:22] <SpeedEvil> I'm pretty suyre the rules for a 2m balloon are that it all has to fit in a 2m sphere inc payload
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[08:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:27] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: for a notam free balloon they are, but we were talking about the rules for this challenge.
[09:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> that school eith 9600 buad rtty...
[09:29] <craag> It's not rtty
[09:29] <craag> It's afsk between 2x HC-12
[09:29] <craag> and it's at 15000 b/s
[09:29] <craag> :D
[09:29] <Darkside> lol
[09:29] <Darkside> AFSK - there goes 10 db
[09:30] <Darkside> 15kbit's is doable :P
[09:30] <Darkside> if your receiver isnt shit
[09:30] <craag> receiver is another HC-12 module...
[09:30] <Darkside> yeah
[09:30] <Darkside> exactly
[09:30] <Darkside> i mean, we get 115kbps over ~150km easy enough
[09:30] <craag> eh, we'll see what they get
[09:31] <Darkside> with a good receiver :-)
[09:31] <craag> Annoyingly they're just down the road, if I had a working tracker I'd have offered to bring it over.
[09:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
[09:31] <craag> threw all of mine in the sea though.
[09:32] <Reb-SM0ULC> they planned to fly today?
[09:32] <craag> Yeah I think so
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[09:35] <craag> I *think* the HC-12 is afsk, not finding any source info either way. Might be worth watching on an SDR to find out..
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[09:36] <craag> Ah, 29th
[09:36] <craag> so thursday
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[09:38] <craag> 'tomorrow' so today..
[09:38] <craag> 2pm
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[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://avrproject.ru/112/rf_hc12/2016-01-14_122335_HC-12_v2.3B.pdf not a lot of hope then :-(
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[10:31] <G8APZ> Only 100 frequencies to check! Starting at 433.4 and going HF in steps of 400kHz
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[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I've left the http://websdr.suws.org.uk/ running chance it might be seen without a lot of tuning but given that the data rate on air is 15000bps not a lot of chance :-(
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[10:51] <daveake> Naturally they'll have set it to a legal frequency :/
[10:51] <daveake> and power ...
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[10:56] <G8APZ> I wouldn't be so sure!
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[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:40] <SV3ISZ> Does not displayed in the map
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Displaying here OK South France NE of Montpelier
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> when you click the link .... but yes not showing on all staions map ?? weird
[11:44] <richardeoin> the all stations map only shows the last hour
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Humm indeed 25d 12h ago , but link above implies just received... maybe a stale APRS node sent it in.
[11:46] <richardeoin> haha more than stale, probably completely broken
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[11:47] <fsphil> you'd wonder at the logic behing a node that forwards ancient data
[11:47] <fsphil> does the operator think it better to upload everything regardless of age
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Maybe turned off without clearing cache and likewise not resetting cache / buffer at power up ?
[11:47] <fsphil> even though the protocol has no proper timestaming
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It wasn never a designed protocol... it just happened
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> One of the reasons I gave up running an AX25 BBS when stations from home locations started sending reports ose didn't need an update every minute ...n the BBS channel at a significant rate, not mobile a fixed ho
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oops ctrol code got in
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: was kinda slow already.. :) never di run a bbs. played alot with the cluster-systems. ping was cool.. up to 90s to cross half of sweden and back :)
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I ran GB7VRB for 11 years and a couple of Nodes up with our TV repeaters in Brighton.
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[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah welcome Warminster group
[11:54] <Warminster> Hi and thank you.
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you managed to sort out the radios at all ?
[11:55] <Warminster> We are launching our School project balloon today, it was recommended that we register with habhub, is this where we do it
[11:55] <Warminster> We have a radio transmitting and we can receive data
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK well this is just a real time discussion channel
[11:56] <Warminster> We are obviously very new to this! Do you know where we register our signal with habhub
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you planning on using the tracking network with http://tracker.habhub.org ?
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you using the standard protocol ?
[11:57] <Warminster> the event organisers do that but we were just going to see what the process involves
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If so then you need to log two electronic documents
[11:57] <Warminster> OK, what are these
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> on http://habitat.habhub.org/
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> under genpayload
[11:58] <daveake> Warminster: What software are you using to upload your balloon position ?
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> first is a Paylod Document that describes the format your using.
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> the secnd is a Flight document which tells the system when, where, who etc. is flying it
[11:59] <Warminster> We have written some bespoke code to transmit the radio signal in a format requested by the organisers on 431.4 MHz
[11:59] <Warminster> Looks like this
[11:59] <Warminster> Warminster School wsballon@gmail.com @1707Engineering #WSBalloon Time (UTC hhmmss.sss) | 113839.0 Date (UTC ddmmyy) | 271216 Temprature (Celsius) | +006 Latitude (ddmm.mmmm) | 5112.397 N Longitude (dddmm.mmm) | 00211.21 W Altitude (metres above MSL) | 120.8 Course Over Ground (degrees true) | 182.42 Speed Over Ground (knots) | 2
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but you will need to be using one of the common bits of software dl-fldigi or a LoRa gateway to send in the data
[11:59] <daveake> Yes but when you receive the position, what happens then ?
[11:59] <Darkside> oh dear
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> there are central servers that log all the incoming data and displays it on the map
[12:00] <fsphil> are you sure about the 431.4 mhz?
[12:00] <Warminster> It is being tracked by a radi ham who is going to send us the data (as long as everything works) all we need as far as the scrutineer informed us is proof that our balloon is continuously transmitting and then a measurement of how far it has gone
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you aware of the tracker page https://tracker.habhub.org/
[12:01] <fsphil> 431.4 mhz is not allowed to be used in the air
[12:01] <Warminster> Yes but never used it, how does it work?
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Lots of us are Radio amateurs on here hence my callsign G8DHEetc.
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[12:02] <fsphil> 434.4 would make more sense
[12:02] <Warminster> sorry miistyped 434.4
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[12:02] <daveake> Do you happen to know what transmitter power it's using ?
[12:03] <Warminster> it is transmitting using an HC12 transmitter 100mA I believe
[12:03] <daveake> 100mW
[12:03] <daveake> Illegal then
[12:04] <Warminster> 100mW is correct
[12:04] <fsphil> 10mW is the limit there sadly
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes but in the section of the band your using the OFCOM power limit is 10mW
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> that is sufficient with th right protocols to get 300-5--Kms
[12:05] <fsphil> the boring details: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/84970/ir_2030-june2014.pdf
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 5--/500
[12:05] <daveake> http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/81/81d6ad4726f5062ca6a28df79ec8766dac9e755a111056e43b6a8ca2da12832f.jpg
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[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Who is your tracking station you refer to does he have a Callsign ?
[12:06] <Warminster> Oh dear, we will have a chat with the scrutineers this afternoon about this
[12:07] <Warminster> I will have to go and look that up, there are several people who have offered to help but if there is anyone on here in the Warminster area, we would appreciate any and all help we can get
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The Baud rate used by the HC-12 is alos rather different from normal, it won't basically get very far a few hundred metres maybe a Km at most ...
[12:08] <daveake> With a bit more notice something could have been arranged - e.g. I or others could have sent a working and legal tracker
[12:08] <daveake> If you could arrange the launch for another day then probably we can help
[12:08] <Warminster> The baud rate was discussed on the forum last night as being an issue (as standard 9600) but the guy who wrote the code for the transmitter said that it was transmitting at about 50 bps so maybe he wrote code to change the baud
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah that would be better, but the HC-12 doesn't send the normal protocol its a custom one for its internal use.
[12:09] <Warminster> That is really kind of you to offer but we are stuck with a strict time schedule. We had planed to launch a month ago but had an issue with the balloon.
[12:10] <Warminster> As we are a School everything shut down and now we have to launch today or we lose the competition, it might be we have to do some last minute changing around
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> How far have you received tha tracker your using your selves so far ?
[12:11] <daveake> Well with that tracker you musn't fly, unless it's reprogrammed to transmit 10mW or less.
[12:11] <daveake> Even at full power (100mW) the range will be poor and you'll lose it
[12:11] <Warminster> we have a tiny (15mm) antennae hooked up via usb to my laptop that has tracked the payload over approx 1km at ground level
[12:12] <daveake> With the right sort of tracker, we can all help track it for you. With the one you've got, we can't.
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK, well maybe who ever programmed the tracker made a lot more changes as the HC-12 doesn't use 50bps from the spec at all
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://avrproject.ru/112/rf_hc12/2016-01-14_122335_HC-12_v2.3B.pdf
[12:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> See page 5 and the table at the top
[12:13] <daveake> Any chance you could get this mysterious guy onto IRC ?
[12:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> the baud rate sent to the device is NOT the baud rate on air
[12:14] <Warminster> He wrote a bespoke protocol for it, he is getting here shortly so I will show him this feed.
[12:15] <Warminster> I am probably confusing the issue, will get back to you all when we have better data
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> right well without using the same protocol or a standard one to receive the signal others won't be able to track it.
[12:16] <Warminster> OK I will see what he says.
[12:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> Darkside: I concur.
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[14:36] <PE2BZ> !flights
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 0350.625 144.675 RTTY200 7n2 10(d6d7), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well nothing visible on websdr for Warminster
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[15:13] <Reb-SM0ULC> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: they never came back?
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[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Npe no sign of them
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pe 453_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=pe%20453_chase
[17:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03rla 600_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=rla%20600_chase
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[17:17] <Ripo> Just wondering if the Warminster flight for the 29th is sorted. They seem to be in a predicament at the moment concerning their baudrates etc.
[17:20] <Ian__> I guess that they might well be advised to abort/withdraw as they are non-compliant and will be disqualified, although that suggests qualification in the first place. Sounds like the scrutineer needs his bumps read if he agreed to a bespoke protocol when the rules specified UKHAS communications protocol. The clue is in the name.
[17:20] <Ian__> Telemetry is required to be in the general format of analogue RTTY, and compliant with the UK High Altitude Society communications protocol (https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol).
[17:21] <Ian__> That's what rules are for.
[17:22] <mfa298> I think they might also be confsed with dates as they also referred to tomorrow (in their posts yesterfday)
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[17:22] <mfa298> also earlier on today
[17:22] <mfa298> 11:55 < Warminster> We are launching our School project balloon today, it was recommended that we register with habhub, is
[17:22] <Ian__> Date and day mismatch too - confused/panicing.
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[17:24] <Ian__> Tilt - Eligibility for any/all prizes is dependent on strict adherence to this process, and to all of these Competition Rules.
[17:26] <Ian__> The best course of action would be to learn from the exercise, regroup and go for a successful flight when they have solved all the issues and become compliant. Just for the satisfaction of achieving a successful launch and tracking.
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[17:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its far from clear that they really know what there up to, maybe they just "designed" frm own knowledge rather than researching
[17:38] <Ian__> I think the pertinent question at the moment is, are there any penalties for not launching?
[17:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ends on 31st De and school is closed till the New Year ....
[17:41] <Ian__> Reading the rules, they could apparently buy, beg or borrow a tracker and be compliant. I believe that during the development stage teams going off the piste should have been actively guided back by the organisers.
[17:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> they have been offered a tracker for loan on the ukhas google page
[17:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> no responece
[17:43] <Ian__> A bit like last year's 25 balloon launch. Great idea, but didn't quite stack up in the detail. Lots of assumptions made about the thinking of the teams.
[17:52] <Ian__> If they are able to get a scrutineer and a pico then teams still have four days to make the gate.
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[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> sucessfully changed the rtl v3 bias t ic :) http://imgur.com/a/CRXlK
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[19:30] <Ripo> To me it seems as if the Warminster team has been misinformed about everything, well nearly. The crux of the thing is that they need a baud rate and an understanding about
[19:32] <Ripo> how much a normal UHF receiver is cabable of receiving in USB. Mine has a 60db attenuation of all signals wider than 2.5 KHz. I wish them well however that they
[19:32] <Ripo> get the loan of a suityable system.
[19:32] <Ian__> I believe that they should have been given a hint about the UKHAS wiki and firm guidance from the outset. There is no point in specifying the comms protocol and not ensuring that people are firmly pointed in the right direction in the first instance.
[19:33] <Ripo> Yes Ian, that is what I meant really.
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[19:35] <daveake> I took a quick look at the rules. They're a bit odd. Says about using a legal frequency but makes no mention of legal powers/bandwidths. Mentions UKHAS format without saying why, or anything about uploading to the map.
[19:36] <Ripo> If I know when it starts I will try to track the balloon on Thursday. I am 138 mile north east from the start location and the wind should be blowing my way so perhaps I can input data if they get HabHub working from theior side.
[19:40] <Ian__> I don't know what their 'Goody bag' comprised of or if there is any penalty for failing to launch as opposed to launching a fail. I would call it a day and think about using the knowledge gained to add a few chapters to the 'Big Book' and then plan for something in the summer after a lot of talking here.
[19:41] <Ian__> Nothing ventured, nothing lost :)
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[19:42] <Ian__> Not sure how many contestants signed up and how many have actually flown yet.
[19:42] <mfa298> Ripo: I'm not sure they're launching thursday (unless thy've posted and update in the last few hours)
[19:43] <mfa298> their original emails seemed to be confused abotu dates (they talked about tomorrow in their emails yesterday and talked about today when they came on IRC around lunchtime)
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[19:43] <daveake> Their best option IMO would be to forget about the competition, and do their best to have a successful launch next term
[19:44] <Ian__> Agreed. Much better for morale too.
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[19:45] <RocketBoy> I suspect the £1000 prize for the school might be an incentive
[19:46] <Ian__> I suspect that was possibly sewn up the other day.
[19:46] <RocketBoy> there are 3 x £1000 prizes
[19:47] <RocketBoy> altitude, distance, duration
[19:48] <daveake> Not going to win any of those with their tracker, mind
[19:48] <RocketBoy> arrrr
[19:49] <Ian__> I believe that altitude 40km, distance long way and the duration was impressive too. They might have done better to allow one claim per flight, to incentivise it with the contestants choosing which category to choose post flight. Tactical thinking.
[19:50] <RocketBoy> did they run it last year - or is it just a bdras 150year aniversary thing?
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[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> The whole event ends 31st Dec for flights, so they have to fly this week or not at all
[20:20] <michal_f> OT: do you know any decent, free PDF translator ?
[20:22] <Ian__> How do you mean 'translator' from what to what?
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[20:24] <michal_f> fron english to *** (polish) in my case
[20:24] <Ian__> https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=tc1iWK3-J6Gk8wfo9o2gBg#q=pdf+translator
[20:25] <Ian__> That should do the job for you michal_f
[20:25] <michal_f> thanks Ian__. I just tried that. unfortunatelly it destroyed all formatting :/
[20:25] <michal_f> (trying to translate coffee machine manual for mom ;P)
[20:27] <Ian__> Google 'pdf translate' and see what's what. Moms/wives rarely read the manuals :)
[20:27] <michal_f> true, true...
[20:27] <michal_f> both cases
[20:28] <Ian__> link to manual please? Then I'll know if I have found a half decent option for you.
[20:29] <Ian__> Be assured that I'll be looking at formatted output and not the language content :)
[20:33] <michal_f> https://pl.jura.com/-/media/global/pdf/manuals-global/home/IMPRESSA-J93-One-Touch-TFT/download_manual_jura_impressa_j93.pdf?la=en&hash=0A9606298AFDEC7E4D9307BE8C8022BEAAA0BC48&em_force=true
[20:33] <michal_f> what did you found? Perhaps I tried that alredy ?
[20:34] <Ian__> This is what I bought for my wife http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d34ab7fc69634154bedf202d77305c64/jar-original-nescafe-coffee-b92xdr.jpg
[20:35] <Ian__> :)
[20:35] <michal_f> hah
[20:35] <michal_f> no manual required
[20:42] <Ian__> I am beginning to see your difficulty. Page too large, download this software, etc., etc.
[20:43] <michal_f> leave it alone Ian__, not worth the effort
[20:43] <michal_f> thanks for taking time
[20:43] <michal_f> I asked polish distributor for a copy. we'll see
[20:43] <Ian__> OK. I guess that there is no Polish version online?
[20:44] <michal_f> unfortunatelly
[20:44] <fsphil> "leave it alone ian" .. couldn't help but hear that in an east london accent :)
[20:45] <michal_f> ok... that's above my english skills...
[20:48] <Ian__> No sweat. You'll have to provide telephone (skype or similar) support - Season's greetings.
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[20:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SNKMTN001 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SNKMTN001
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[22:05] <Rballoons> working on a python script that will use both ukhas and habhub for zp floater prediction, without having to do the whole "predict ascent, copy location, paste location, predict float path" thing between the two sites
[22:06] <Rballoons> if anyone has any input on how to do that or any interest please let me know
[22:07] <Rballoons> or email me (jeff) at whitestarballoon@gmail.com
[22:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Habitat servers have a KML stream available at http://spacenear.us/tracker/datanew.php?format=kml&mode=1day&vehicles=*
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> so that could be a source of the latest data for a given flight
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ?
[22:09] <Rballoons> ill look into it
[22:09] <Rballoons> thts once they are in the air
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[22:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well if its not in the air then the normal predict http://predict.habhub.org/ site will work ?
[22:11] <Rballoons> one works for predicting ascent destination, and the other for floating flight path
[22:11] <Rballoons> but when we are running multiple predictions it gets tiresome to go back and forth, so i want a tool that does both
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> if the descent rate is set at a very small value 0.00000001 then it becomes a float at the "burst"="float" height
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> otherwis euse the NOAA prediction pages
[22:12] <Rballoons> yeah, but do you have a method of inputing a launch trajectory and setting a float height and then seeing the path?
[22:13] <Rballoons> we have to use two sites to do it
[22:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> well unless you plan to write your own prediction routines then ...
[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Burst is now Float height 181153323de41e4a37cd5d5b593c3b527989a52c
[22:15] <Rballoons> no, i just want to put in the data into habhub, get the location at "burst", then put that into Habitat and get the whole prediciton. its just a website reading script i was envisioning
[22:15] <Rballoons> a form filling script rather
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[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> what do you mean by Habitat and Habhub ?
[22:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[22:23] <richardeoin> Rballoons: I think what you're describing should be arriving in the new version of http://predict.habhub.org
[22:23] <richardeoin> which is coming soonTM
[22:23] <Rballoons> cool
[22:23] <Rballoons> how soon?
[22:23] <Rballoons> by habitat i meant ukhas
[22:23] <richardeoin> if you're impatient you could try running you own local copy https://github.com/cuspaceflight/tawhiri
[22:24] <Rballoons> o hell yeah. ill give it a shot anyway
[22:24] <richardeoin> not *too* painful to set up on the right debian, although you'll need >30GB of disk
[22:25] <richardeoin> I think we're talking few weeks or few months for it to go live
[22:25] <Rballoons> thats great. ill look into it.
[22:25] <richardeoin> not sure if you can add a descent phase after the float period
[22:26] <richardeoin> would be trivial to add to the backend if not, would compilcate the UI though
[22:26] <Rballoons> descent is slightly less important, but it would definitely be a plus
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[23:18] <Laurenceb_> anyone here seen "Error permission denied (public key)" from github and know likely causes?
[23:19] <Laurenceb_> it seems to be something that has changed recently, unless I screwed my machine somehow
[23:19] <Laurenceb_> all my repositories are suddenly unreachable
[23:21] <lz1dev> check your key on your profile
[23:21] <adamgreig> do you usually use ssh keys or https? (do you usually type a password into your console when using git)
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> use ssh
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[23:22] <lz1dev> https://help.github.com/articles/error-permission-denied-publickey/
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> come to think of it I havent used it from this machine after swapping the hard drive
[23:22] <adamgreig> yea check your profile, check the profile security log on github which will show if it's changed recently
[23:22] <adamgreig> lol
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> could be ssh wasnt copied
[23:22] <adamgreig> could be
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> I have ~0 understanding of crypography stuff lol
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> ls -al ~/.ssh gives nothing
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> *cryptography
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> generate a new key ?
[23:23] <adamgreig> ssh-keygen
[23:23] <lz1dev> dont forget to remove the old one
[23:23] <mfa298> that sounds like a good reason for your git stuff failing if ~/.ssh is empty (unless your doing agent forwarding from something else (but I'd assume you won't be asking such questions if that was the case)
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> ok, sounds like a good explanation
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[23:24] <mfa298> you might want `ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048` or some larger 2^
[23:25] <mfa298> although I'm not sure 4096 bits gains much security
[23:27] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
[23:28] <mfa298> then again if it's only github, ssh access (even with smaller keys) probably isn't the weakest link
[23:28] <mfa298> evening cm13g09
[23:29] <cm13g09> mfa298: PM
[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LA3QR-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LA3QR-2
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[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F1TKE-12 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1TKE-12
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[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HEK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HEK-11
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