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[00:09] <labjg> Anyone got any good resources/links for a DIY car-mounted antenna for a chase car? Ditto for a base station antenna?
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[00:18] <mfa298> I think most people just buy a suitable magmount antenna
[00:18] <mfa298> you can get soem 2/70 mag mounts fairly cheaply
[00:18] <labjg> yeah
[00:18] <labjg> More tricky in Australia I think
[00:19] <labjg> Loads in UK, but shipping..
[00:19] <labjg> Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places though :)
[00:19] <labjg> Darkside?
[00:19] <mfa298> look at the various ham shops, they should have various options
[00:20] <labjg> k cheers
[00:20] <mfa298> there's various designs out there for base antennas, colinears and other verticals or yagis if you want more gain and directionality
[00:21] <labjg> Yeah I've found a bunch of how-to guides. Always nice to get a recommendation though
[00:33] <Darkside> uhm
[00:33] <Darkside> someone called?
[00:33] <Darkside> labjg: strictly ham
[00:33] <Darkside> not sure about the 'cheap' aspect
[00:34] <Darkside> labjg: http://www.strictlyham.com.au/browse-by-type/antennas/mobile-antennas/diamond-mr-73s
[00:34] <Darkside> theres your tiny magmount antenna
[00:35] <Darkside> labjg: wher are you launching from?
[00:35] <Darkside> i vaguely remember talking to you about this ages ago
[00:40] <labjg> yeah a few months ago, more about licenses I think
[00:41] <labjg> Thanks for the link
[00:41] <Darkside> strictly ham is probably the best ham radio store in australia
[00:41] <Darkside> might not hte the cheapest, but the service is excellent
[00:41] <labjg> Yeha not so cheap eh.. there's no funding for this (it's a uni outreach thing) and I've already spend a fair bit of my own cash on it :P
[00:42] <labjg> Hence DIY preferable, but perhaps not worth the effort for a magmount
[00:42] <labjg> Probably launching from Canberra
[00:43] <Darkside> hmm
[00:43] <Darkside> ok
[00:43] <Darkside> lots of bad places to land around there!
[00:43] <labjg> haha true true
[00:43] <labjg> plenty of trees
[00:43] <Darkside> you'd probably be better off to drive maybe 200km north-west
[00:43] <labjg> and an ocean eventually
[00:43] <Darkside> get into wheat country
[00:44] <Darkside> at least you can walk into fields easily
[00:44] <Darkside> hrm, i'll be in canberra in feb
[00:44] <Darkside> for a week anyway
[00:45] <labjg> Cool
[00:45] <labjg> Come up to Stromlo and say hi
[00:47] <Darkside> hah
[00:47] <Darkside> unlikely to happen
[00:47] <Darkside> i'll be at ADFA all week, doing a RFRSO course
[00:48] <labjg> ah
[00:48] <labjg> Well, if you change your mind..
[00:53] <mfa298> labjg: for magmout, if you can get a cheaper CB base you might be able to replace the element with something suitable for the bands you need
[00:53] <mfa298> although might not be that much cheaper to make it worth it
[01:02] <labjg> Fair enough, but good idea yep
[01:02] <labjg> In any case, it's a job for the new year :)
[01:04] <mfa298> I don't know if you have much in the way of radio rallies / club sales nights there, but they can be a source of cheap parts
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[01:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OZBLN - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OZBLN
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[08:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS21 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
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[08:08] <Babs> Morning everyone - probably won't be launching today as the wind is going North East (need an East or South East wind). I have a NOTAM however for tomorrow so will probably go for it then - will keep you updated
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[08:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> ubseds21 firs circumvention, coming in over north Spain
[08:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> 12days, quite fast
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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[10:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EB1HHY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EB1HHY_chase
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[10:16] <RYDE> Hello, we are setting up for a launch between 12:00 and 13:00 from the Isle of Wight!
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll belistening for you
[10:17] <craag> Good luck RYDE !
[10:18] <pb0ahx> good luck RYDE and i hope a good flifgt
[10:19] <gonzo_> keep clear of the trees this time!
[10:19] <RYDE> thanks!!! :)
[10:24] <AndyEsser> good luck
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RYDE after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RYDE
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> RYDE, Do you know what ascent rate and burst height your expecting or is it a floater ?
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[11:12] <cm13g09> 0/win 22
[11:12] <cm13g09> fail
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ? is this the right window ?
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[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03robinhood_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=robinhood_chase
[11:40] <MarkIreland> DigHouse_Router86
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[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah is that RYDE off the gorund ?
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> seems very fast ..
[11:51] <gonzo_> does look likew it. (10 mins early!)
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I'm thinking it might just be bad GPS fix's as it was below ground a minute or so before...
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ah yes back to ground again
[11:53] <gonzo_> thought it was opdd I couldn't see sigs
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> likewise! got to head out about 12:30 so was hoping to lock on a nd leave it ...
[11:54] <gonzo_> and again
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> wonder if they are filling it inside a building with poor GPS coverage inside.
[11:57] <gonzo_> well, the tracker need not be outside yet
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[11:58] <gonzo_> once you are down to 2 sats, the lock is relying on the gps clock. The track does tend to wander then
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[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Will have to trust that the AFC can find it ... in my absence!
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[12:31] <gonzo_> I'm off out soon too
[12:31] <gonzo_> will try and vnc in whilst shopping
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[12:38] <RYDE> Hoping to release within the next 10 minutes!
[12:39] <gonzo_> lostening for you from poole
[12:39] <gonzo_> listening
[12:42] <g0hdi> Is the Frequency 434.250?
[12:44] <gonzo_> up?
[12:44] <RYDE> yep!
[12:44] <gonzo_> good job.
[12:45] <gonzo_> freq 434.250?
[12:45] <RYDE> thats right!
[12:45] <g0hdi> Thanks
[12:46] <gonzo_> seeing sigs. Looks like the shift is more like 670Hz
[12:46] <g0hdi> Agreed
[12:51] <gonzo_> very slow rate of ascent
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[12:53] <g0hdi> Yes and moving away NE. Can hear it and see on waterfall, but no green yet
[12:54] <gonzo_> error in the flight doc, it's 7bit
[12:55] <gonzo_> nope I was talking bollocks. It is 8bit
[12:55] <gonzo_> slow vnc update
[12:56] <g0hdi> Trying 7 but too weak
[12:56] <gonzo_> getting partials now, 8bit
[12:56] <gonzo_> should be booming in. But weak still
[12:57] <g0hdi> Got green on 8 bits, changed antenna
[12:59] <g0hdi> Not logical but now using cb 5/8 mobile whip. Much stronger than GP3
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[13:00] <g0hdi> Waterfall looks a mess though, like splatter. Very strong sig here at Calshot
[13:01] <mattbrejza> i think it helps quite a bit to have orthogonal spacing with 300 baud
[13:02] <g0hdi> Orthogonal?
[13:03] <RYDE> thanks for helping us track - students here are very happy!!! :)
[13:04] <g0hdi> My pleasure
[13:07] <mattbrejza> each tone should be spaced a multiple of the baud rate
[13:07] <mattbrejza> stops inter-symbol interference
[13:08] <g0hdi> Ok
[13:09] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: so if baud rate is 50
[13:09] <AndyEsser> have the tones be 100/150/200 hz apart?
[13:09] <mattbrejza> ideally yea
[13:10] <AndyEsser> and minimum is 2x baud rate?
[13:10] <mattbrejza> but it gets less important when the tones are reasonably far apart, which is usually the case for 5 baud
[13:10] <AndyEsser> nyquist-y?
[13:10] <mattbrejza> *50
[13:10] <mattbrejza> minimum is 1x baud rate
[13:11] <mattbrejza> 1/2 baud rate is MSK, but you need a coherent reciever for that to work well
[13:11] <AndyEsser> and difference between coherent and non-coherent?
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[13:12] <mattbrejza> coherent you need a local version of the carrier, while non-coherent you can just put a filter around each tone
[13:13] <AndyEsser> right, got you
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[13:39] <pb0ahx> !dial RYDE
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03RYDE 2.0 10(6449): 03434.251 MHz, 3.58 MHz, 434.250492 MHz, 434.25 MHz, 434.250606 MHz
[13:39] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03RYDE 2 10(6449), 03Stabilotron-II further test 10(0eee), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88)
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[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[14:01] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Halifax Regional Municipality, NS, Canada 10(43.87136,-62.44643) at 0312341 meters about 0310 days ago
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[14:14] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpSa2KBe0v0
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[14:16] <DJ3AK> !dial RYDE2
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> 03DJ3AK: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[14:17] <DJ3AK> !dial RYDE
[14:17] <SpacenearUS> 03DJ3AK: Latest dials for 03RYDE 2.0 10(6449): 033.58 MHz, 434.251 MHz, 434.2499 MHz, 434.24943 MHz, 434.25 MHz, 434.483 MHz, 434.250492 MHz, 434.250606 MHz
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sandringham test_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sandringham%20test_chase
[14:24] <gonzo_> anyone else seeing sigs weaker than expected from RYDE ?
[14:25] <RYDE> we're having trouble picking it up now
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[14:27] <gonzo_> I was starting to suspect my antenna/lna
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[14:34] <dbrooke> strength seems fairly normal to me, it's 600Hz shift though, not as advertised
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ryde2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ryde2_chase
[14:39] <daveake> Seems a tad optimistic to have a chase car for this ...
[14:40] <RobinWright> Just a tad....
[14:41] <g0hdi> Too weak for me now, not decoding Ryde. However plenty of stations, including Netherlands tracking, so nice one Ryde Students..
[14:44] <RYDE> i think some of our students have got a bit carried away with the chase car...
[14:45] <RYDE> Very happy to see so many people picking it up :) Thanks all!
[14:45] <g0hdi> Theres always the channel tunnel lol
[14:48] <pb0ahx> RYDE, ur welcome
[14:50] <daveake> g0hdi: Been there done that :)
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[15:23] <Babs> Update on Stabilotron-II - at the moment we look ok for a 1000-1200 launch tomorrow
[15:23] <Babs> if i stops raining in the frozen north anyway
[15:23] <Babs> *ut
[15:23] <Babs> *it FFS
[15:26] <pb0ahx> Babs, tnx info
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[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Suns good Babs
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[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/RYDE_20161223/
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[15:53] <Babs> Congrats Ryde - looks like an awesome job
[15:57] <RobinWright> Thanks for the link Geoff. Cool pictures for the Ryde newsletter! (if you don't mind)
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[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your welcome RobinWright.
[16:30] <RobinWright> Expecting the balloon to pop ...100m ago.
[16:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Looks like it might get to float!
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Did you tell it that though? Maybe it doesn't know.
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[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3SVY-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3SVY-2
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[16:56] <DJ3AK> Finally floating!
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[17:00] <gonzo_> I take it the RYDE team decided not to chase!
[17:00] <RobinWright> Pesky bit of water got in the way!
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Was it the original balloon from previous attempt or new one ?
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[17:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup looks like its made it to float altitude ...... but some turbulence from the slow down in the js perhaps ?
[17:08] <RobinWright> This was a new balloon. Manufacturer said it should burst at 18k
[17:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK, wonder if it had been pre-stressed with the original flight, which normally makes them tougher to burst.
[17:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It is a mylar or maybe not latex ?
[17:10] <RobinWright> Cool, I didn't know that. The original balloon made friends with a tree and burst.
[17:11] <gonzo_> the rate of ascent was very low so that sugests not much free lift
[17:11] <gonzo_> so uinless your payload was heavy, you underfilled it
[17:11] <gonzo_> which will make it more likely to float
[17:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> unless the intention was to float ?
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[17:12] <gonzo_> was there anything you wanted back from this payload?
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[17:20] <RobinWright> All I know is that the payload was 250g.
[17:20] <RobinWright> I am in the Computer Services department at Ryde. I do not know a lot about the science stuff involved.
[17:21] <RYDE> Hi guys, was a brand new 100g latex balloon - amazed it's still going. Temp stats look like the Rasberry pi shoul have failed by now as well!
[17:22] <RYDE> We were going for furthest distance as part of the Boscombe Down Balloon challenge - no idea it was possible for it to float along!
[17:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah right! Very good chance it will keep going to dawn at least now its at float height, if its a mylar film balloon then may go a lot longer, if its a white latex then shortly after dawn when it warms up a bit.
[17:22] <RYDE> Ideally we'd love to have the payload back if it could be found! - Would be happy to pay postage if somebody picked it up :)
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[17:23] <RYDE> Its a light coloured latex - i imagine our telemetry device will freeze and fail pretty soon though?
[17:23] <daveake> The Pi will still keep going in the cold
[17:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The current UBSEDS18/21 flights and B64 flights are film balloons which floated for a LONG time, B64 10 orbits of the earth!
[17:24] <daveake> !orbit </pedant>
[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Looping the earth doesn't hae the same ring to it ;-)
[17:25] <daveake> Ed ticked me off for using that word inappropriately, so I feel it's my duty to do the same in his absence :)
[17:25] <RYDE> when we did our calculations it looked as though it would pop at 18000m so pretty stumped its still going at that altitude!
[17:26] <daveake> Which make of balloon?
[17:26] <RYDE> Hyowee 100
[17:26] <RYDE> 2m burst diameter
[17:26] <daveake> Low ascent rates tend to float not burst, but much depends on the balloon make/luck
[17:26] <daveake> Yeah Hwoyees usually do better than the spec
[17:27] <RYDE> We're speechless... and very happy!! :)
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> What batteries are you using ?
[17:29] <RYDE> Energizer Ultimate Lithium AAs
[17:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Sounds good, quite a few hours left in them then.
[17:31] <RYDE> Even at -46? We thought they'd start failing around -30!
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> RYDE: if the temperature probe is outside, they're probably not at all close to that temp
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> a watt or two in a small box makes it quite a lot warmer
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[17:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
[17:34] <RYDE> We have one shielded external sensor and the internal one is on the circuit board
[17:34] <Will> Hi Mr Beale its Will and jiri
[17:36] <RYDE> Hi guys! - We've just been discussing the batteries and the temperatures they are experiencing
[17:36] <Will> Oh cool, yeah how come they are still working? its good!
[17:37] <RYDE> Sounds like they generate a bit of heat due to the amount of power being drawn to run the Pi - Could potentially keep going for a few more hours
[17:38] <RYDE> If it keeps floating like it is at the moment then it may make it until sunrise
[17:38] <RYDE> (from what i understand) :)
[17:38] <Will> Oh cool!! But what if the battery dies? how long do you belive they will stay for?
[17:39] <RYDE> Geoff thinks they may last another few hours
[17:40] <Will> Oh cool, lets hope they will last longer... Lily has just said the current predictions are for russia... :o
[17:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your drawing around 100mA so using the datasheet above the capacity will be about 3.5AHrs at normal temp, but about 3AmpHrs at -30c
[17:40] <mfa298> If you know how much power the Pi (and I'm assuming PITS) takes you could try and work out how many hours it'll last.
[17:41] <RYDE> brilliant, thanks! )
[17:41] <Will> Its current right now is 0.103A for both the pi and PITS
[17:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> so 20-30 hors maybe assuming they will get cooler than -30c
[17:42] <Will> Oh wow, its current internal temperature is -47.1* and external is -54.9*
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> it'll get warmer in a few hours
[17:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Any idea what time it was powered up, frst I saw was at around 10:28 this morning
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> or about now actually
[17:43] <Will> Yeah around 1200 to 1230 if i remeber rightly
[17:44] <RYDE> thats right - we had it on with test batteries but put the Lithiums in around 12:00
[17:44] <mfa298> possibly the first thing that'll give you issues is lack of ground based tracking stations.
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> naah
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> it's going quite slowly
[17:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The German and Polish stations if they stay on will be good for another 500-1000 miles
[17:46] <RYDE> Well there are prizes available for furthest distance and longest duration flight. The longer and further the better for us!
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[17:47] <mfa298> you might have chosen the right time to launch to get those
[17:47] <Will> oh wow, I dont suppose anyone knows but if we lose signal and regain it, are we still in competiton?
[17:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I would expect so.
[17:47] <rydelauncher2> we are if we regain the signal within 15 mins
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[17:48] <RYDE> We are allowed up to a 15 minute gap - any more than that and our entry finishes even if we regain contact
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[17:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 1000 miles will take you out to Ukraine beyond Rivne UR3PAS is in that vicinity
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[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh thats a shame!
[17:49] <RYDE> That would be incredible!
[17:49] <Will> Oh ok, so 15 mins is about 15km if the balloon has an average speed of 20m/s
[17:52] <RYDE> 18km?
[17:53] <Will> Oh yeah my bad maths...
[17:53] <RYDE> I have to sign off to head home now but will be back later
[17:54] <Will> Sir, are you still at school?!
[17:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Mumm the http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/ site seems down for telemetry visulisation or is it my end ?
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[17:56] <Will> Oh, ive never seen that page before! ill have a look
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not responding after search for a flight at the moment as if its not getting the habitat data download https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/RYDE/638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412ed0c8f
[17:57] <Will> When i click on ryde, and the others i get nothing, it may be down in general
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> x-f, is it a known problem ? Ping
[17:58] <rydelauncher2> It's still working for me
[18:01] <Will> Oh, it may just be for a few people, il try again!
[18:02] <Will> Still broken for me..
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup its not getting the data feed from habitat, when x-f is about I suspect he will sort it.
[18:07] <Will> Ok cool, so will it produce a graph of our data?
[18:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It does but you can get at the same data and do it yourselves as well from http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
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[18:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> There are quite a few tools available for the data analysis
[18:09] <Will> Oh cool, we havent seen any of this, ill take a look. Thank you!
[18:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ths is your data to date, its why the Flight Doc is generated so as to ake it easy ;-) http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412f96449%22,%22638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412ed0c8f%22]&endkey=[%22638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412f96449%22,%22638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412ed0c8f%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers,sentence_id,time,latitude,longitu
[18:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> external,battery,current,temperature_internal
[18:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Or rather http://tinyurl.com/jpkpcjf
[18:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah x-f's site is back https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/RYDE/638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412ed0c8f#g/altitude,battery,speed
[18:13] <Will> Oh wow, that really interesting - we will be able to show this data!! thank you
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[18:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/RYDE/638e485615e3f62c3a0571a412ed0c8f#g/altitude,battery,temperature_internal
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[18:17] <x-f> yeah, sorry about that, there's still something wrong with the list though
[18:18] <Will> thank toy for all of this data, im sharing it with all of our team members
[18:19] <x-f> it's an old tool that should be re-done properly, "when i'll have some spare time"(tm)
[18:22] <Will> Ah ok, we have got the dashboard set up, its very interesting to watch!
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[18:27] <Will> Hi Mr Wright!!
[18:27] <RobinWright_> Hello, I see it's still floating!
[18:28] <Will> i know ! its awesome
[18:29] <PE2BZ> It´s a nice and steady signal. Bad RX with the omnidirectional antenna (the distance is only 60 km now) but very good with the vertical yagi !
[18:30] <Will> Oh, Sorry but what do you mean by bad rx?
[18:31] <PE2BZ> My vertical omnidirection can not look up to 19 km altitude that good. My vertical yagi however gives very good reception on the same signal. So it´s not you ;-) I had to swap antennas
[18:32] <Will> Oh ok cool ;-p thank you for tracking us!!
[18:32] <PE2BZ> For your info: http://imgur.com/a/XW1ax
[18:32] <RobinWright_> (Rx means receive)
[18:33] <PE2BZ> The RX above is the Airspy Mini with the omnidirectional antenna. The RX below is the Icom receiver with the vertical yagi.
[18:34] <RobinWright_> Thank you for the link. The waterfall looks nice and clear!
[18:34] <Will> Oh cool, thats the same display as ours, looking very good!
[18:34] <PE2BZ> It´s clear indeed ! I am located close (7 km) to the West coast of Holland.
[18:36] <RobinWright_> Our yagi lost contact pretty early on. There are a lot of chimney stacks and spires in the way.
[18:37] <Will> wow, its very cool to see how people are tracking it round the world!
[18:37] <PE2BZ> I have one receive station on 27 m asl but I think I do not have to switch to that one, the receivers in German are allready powered up I see !
[18:38] <Will> OK cool. its good that the german recivers are on!!!
[18:39] <RobinWright_> ...approaching 2km over the rated altitude.
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[18:42] <PE2BZ> Joined the RYDE ;-)
[18:42] <Will> Awesome! 2,000m above burst altitude...
[18:42] <PE2BZ> Any pictures of the payload online ?
[18:43] <Will> Mr Wright, Me and Jiri have had starwars theme tune on for 2 hours on repeat lol
[18:43] <RYDE> not sure if we took any pictures of the payload before it went up?
[18:44] <PE2BZ> happysat Alex are you online ?
[18:44] <Will> Ive got film of it before launch and it ff
[18:44] <Will> launching
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[18:46] <Will> Im pretty sure its going to pop soon, its 20,224m and its predicted burst was 17,420m
[18:47] <RobinWright_> launch photo: http://imgur.com/55obD8H
[18:47] <PE2BZ> It could reach a floating state also, speed is between + and - 0.5 m/s now
[18:47] <RYDE> nice one, thanks robin!
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[18:48] <PE2BZ> Great image !
[18:48] <Will> Id have thought it is at a floating stage, its been floating at 20,000m between ±0.5m/s for the past 45 mins
[18:49] <Will> Thats an awesome photo sir!!
[18:50] <RYDE> One of the scrutineers is going to phone me in 10 minutes. They have concerns about the temperature data.
[18:50] <RobinWright_> -50 odd is unrealistic?
[18:50] <RYDE> For the others on here - does our temp data look unreliable?
[18:51] <Will> Why?! it seems about right from what we have seen sir?!
[18:51] <RYDE> I'll find out what they mean when he phones - no idea yet!
[18:51] <PE2BZ> No way. Radiosondes for weathermeasurement go to -64 degrees @ 27 km altitude
[18:52] <PE2BZ> The internal temperature looks somewhat low, but depends on the type of isolation used.
[18:52] <Will> Hmm.... seems a bit odd
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[18:53] <RYDE> We used foam insulation with black tape to try and absorb some thermal radiation to keep temps up
[18:54] <Will> hmm well the internal temp i belive is run directly off the pi in the sky
[18:54] <RYDE> One external temp probe shielded underneath and an internal temp sensor built into the circuit board
[18:54] <RobinWright_> Google says -56.5 http://bfy.tw/96ZU
[18:55] <Will> do you think he means the temp is to low or to high?
[18:55] <PE2BZ> Sorry to ask, but who is ¨he¨ in this case ?
[18:55] <RYDE> I'm really not sure - waiting for the call any second
[18:56] <RYDE> One of the scrutineers from the Boscombe Down Balloon Challenge
[18:56] <richardeoin> RobinWright_: yes, that's in a standard atmosphere
[18:56] <PE2BZ> Have your Google prove ready ;-)
[18:56] <Will> he is a scroutineer from Boscombe Down, the place who is runnung the challenge
[18:56] <richardeoin> https://earth.nullschool.net is handy for checking the current GFS
[18:56] Action: PE2BZ is google translating scroutineer
[18:56] <RYDE> They visited us today to scrutineer check everything was within spec & rules etc and they hold the prize money!
[18:57] <Will> Ive just looked on google at an altitude temp chart, and it seems to corrospond with it
[18:57] <RYDE> OK great, i'll mention this all when he calls in a minute
[18:58] <Will> Sir, have a look on google at altitude temperature charts from the ones me and jiri have looked at it seems o corrospond well
[18:59] <PE2BZ> richardeoin at which height is the wind speed given on that url ?
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[19:00] <PE2BZ> Will just say ¨My friends at #highaltitude all agree that the temperature is OK ¨ ;-)
[19:00] <richardeoin> PE2BZ: there's a selection of pressure altitudes under "Height" in the configuration box
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[19:01] <Will> Ahh im sure our teacher will - he is the one who will be talking him :) Thank you though :-)
[19:01] <richardeoin> 70hPa pretty close to where this flight is
[19:01] <PE2BZ> Thanks ! did never notice there was a configuration box.
[19:02] <RYDE> Still waiting for the call!
[19:02] <Will> This call is making me so so so nervous...
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[19:04] <PE2BZ> Why ? Perhaps he did use Google allready and decided not to make a fool out of himself...
[19:04] <RYDE> its popped!
[19:04] <Will> Just seen!!!
[19:05] <PE2BZ> And, be convinced about yourself !
[19:05] <RYDE> quite a fast decent rate.....
[19:05] <richardeoin> it's going to get even colder of a bit now :)
[19:05] <Will> Hmm maybe the shute has failed
[19:06] <Will> yeah!
[19:06] <RYDE> not good news
[19:06] <mfa298> it'll go quickly to start with, there's not much air for the parachute to work with
[19:06] <Will> 27m/s
[19:06] <mfa298> it should slow down as it gets lower
[19:06] <daveake> meh
[19:06] <Will> its slowing
[19:06] <RYDE> ahhh... good point, hadn't thought of that!!
[19:07] <Will> Maybe its slowing because the air pressure is getting denser
[19:08] <RYDE> exactly :)
[19:08] <Will> Its almost goimg as fast sideways as it is down!!
[19:08] <Will> I dont know if your still on here Geoff, but its not going to make it through the night!!!
[19:09] <Will> Pressure change is really slowing it
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe just hatred of the ground.
[19:10] <Will> Ohh desending through the jet stream i belive and serously slowing!
[19:12] <Will> 30m/s sideways!!
[19:12] <PE2BZ> I love the auto frequency correction on fldigi <> Icom radio :-)
[19:12] <Will> Chute seems to be working
[19:12] <Will> battery dropping by 0.2v
[19:13] <Will> and current is 0.094A
[19:14] <PE2BZ> with no listeners in close range I assume the lowest reception will be about 2000 meters now
[19:14] <Will> its current altitude is 8,900m
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Does it have GSM backup ;-)
[19:15] <PE2BZ> RYDE phone home
[19:15] <Will> What does GSM mean?
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Mobile phone backup
[19:16] <Will> I dont think so... :-/
[19:16] <PE2BZ> But I assume youre not supposed to recover it ?
[19:17] <Will> We dont have to recover it, lets just hope a local will find it... its got ID tags on it
[19:17] <RYDE> ok guys, just got off the phone..
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[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Ah see it's burst then, shame looked like it had reached a float, but perhaps moved into some warmer air.
[19:18] <RYDE> At the moment we are currently in the lead for all three prizes. As soon as the other competitors saw this they have been phoning the scrutineers to check if we will be a verified flight as they thought our temperature data looked wrong
[19:19] <Will> NOOOOO WAAAY
[19:19] <RYDE> The scrutineer wanted to check that our external temperature sensor was mounted correctly outside the payload box and protected from the solar radiation - i explained how it was mounted and he said that all sounds fine and tallied up with memory
[19:19] <Will> YEASSSSSS
[19:19] <RYDE> He is now going back to speak to the man in charge so they can make a decision about whether or not we are ratified
[19:19] <Will> YES|YES}
[19:19] <Will> yes\
[19:20] <RYDE> He will let me know later if this is the case - so lets wait to find out
[19:20] <Will> Id just like to thank everyone on this chat who has helpef
[19:20] <RYDE> It does sound like the other competitors will now be cramming in extra launches before the end of the month to try and beat us though, providing we are fully ratified.
[19:20] <PE2BZ> We will stop them at the westcoast ;-)
[19:20] <Will> Haha dosent sound like they will
[19:21] <Will> Haha yes!!
[19:21] <RYDE> It's all very exciting - but lets wait to hear back that we are 100% confirmed as a valid flight. As soon as i know, i will let you know!
[19:21] <PE2BZ> Tried to arm some listeners in SE of Holland but no one available atm
[19:22] <Will> Ahh, thank you PE2BZ, you have been alot of help!
[19:22] <pb0ahx> PE2BZ, Ben a trip for u hihihi
[19:23] <RYDE> If we could recover the payload it would really be the cherry on the potential cake!
[19:23] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx has lost his mind ;-) must be missing medication
[19:23] <pb0ahx> korekt Ben
[19:24] <PE2BZ> Nog ff wat pillen halen voor de feestdagen Herman !
[19:25] <pb0ahx> Team RYDE congrats with this flight was a good one for me mni tnx
[19:26] <pb0ahx> Ben yep lang pillen dokter morgen
[19:26] <RobinWright_> Just caught up on this thread. I was afk. That is very exciting news!
[19:26] <Will> Thank you! Its been very good for us!!
[19:27] <Will> We are going to land in a town!! hopwfully someone will find it and post it back
[19:27] <Will> Sub 2k altitude
[19:28] <RobinWright_> interesting to see the Volts go back up.
[19:28] <PE2BZ> I lost it
[19:28] <Will> Battery back at 3.0V
[19:28] <Will> Its viewable on habhub
[19:28] <PE2BZ> It follows the internal temperature I assume
[19:28] <pb0ahx> some qrm now here
[19:28] <Will> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=11&qm=1_day&f=RYDE
[19:29] <pb0ahx> i lost him also now
[19:30] <PE2BZ> PE2G has his receiving antenna at good height !
[19:30] <pb0ahx> yes and position
[19:30] <Will> Oh, it looks like someone is picking us up in northern/centeral germany
[19:30] <RYDE> just informed Dr Speller - he's very happy :)
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[19:31] <PE2BZ> It was a nice flight to follow guys ! Congratulations in advance !
[19:31] <Will> HAHA yes, Thank you so much sir!!!
[19:31] <Will> Thank you PE2BZ, you have been a great help!
[19:31] <pb0ahx> it was a long but very good flight
[19:31] <RYDE> Massive, massive thank you to everybody who has tracked for us and been helping on here :)
[19:32] <PE2BZ> You´re welcome
[19:32] <pb0ahx> i dit it wit plesure
[19:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> It's what the channel is about, do come back and keep us up to date on outcome!
[19:33] <RYDE> will do! we may well launch again in the new year as its been so fun!
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[19:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Watch the mailing list there is a server move scheduled around 7th of Jan when he network will be down
[19:34] <PA0RPA> You are welcome, Balloon decended in the neigbourhood of Kevelaer, so it is blessed.......
[19:34] <Will> HA yeah, sounds like the payload is dead.... 3 mins ago was the last data :-/
[19:34] <daveake> :-). That's where my wife was born.
[19:36] <PE2BZ> Will that´s because it´s below the radio horizon for PE2G. He lives in an appartment building at about 42 meters with free view in the direction of your landing spot. I assume it´s still transmitting. With raising temperature the batteries could be ok for some more hours.
[19:38] <Will> but it seems asif its in a park, found the website, finding the pgone now
[19:39] <Will> http://www.freibad-kevelaer.de/
[19:39] <Will> thats where its landed
[19:40] <PA0RPA> Well Dave, if your wife came from Kevelaer she was centenly "Blessed" , ( Hi )
[19:42] <PE2BZ> I guess its more close to this: https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Kevelaer,+Germany/@51.5974004,6.2544815,1324m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c76666daf15551:0x1fc56020361d2a7c!8m2!3d51.581349!4d6.245758?hl=en
[19:42] <PE2BZ> but there is an airplane searching for it allready ;-)
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[19:44] <Will> Wait? theres an airplane has been searching for it?
[19:45] <Will> PE2BZ, there is a water park type thing there, looks like its there
[19:45] <RYDE> an airplane Will?
[19:45] <PE2BZ> Just kidding... On the screenshot from Google Maps I noticed there is an airplane on the same picture. Close to the woods of a Youth hotel near Kevelaer
[19:47] <Will> Oh ok ha there is an airplane on the satelite maps... ha
[19:47] <PE2BZ> ;-)
[19:48] <Will> ha i saw the airport near by, didnt know if we had caused a disturbance! few
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[19:51] <RYDE> Will - hold off on announcing anything until our flight has been fully verified and the 1st of January arrives and we know the result for certain
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[19:52] <Will> wow! over 1,000,000 pilgrims go there every year to worship virgin mary!
[19:52] <RYDE> that must be why it's blessed!
[19:53] <Will> Ok sir, ill start wrighing a bit anyway :0
[19:53] <Will> Yeah!!
[19:54] <RYDE> OK - lets keep things under wraps until we know for sure though
[19:54] <Will> cool :)
[19:54] <PE2BZ> Will ?
[19:55] <PE2BZ> http://imgur.com/a/K14on
[19:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[19:55] <PE2BZ> A weathersonde from ¨the deutsche wetterdienst¨ reported - 55.9 degrees at 27 km height this afternoon at 3 hours before your flight
[19:56] <RYDE> Brilliant find - thanks PE2BZ, will use that info as evidence in case we have a fight on our hands!
[19:56] <PE2BZ> at 19 km height it reported -63 degrees
[19:57] <dbrooke> UBSEDS18 lives!
[19:58] <Will> Thank toy!
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[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !Where is ubseds18
[19:59] <will_> Hi guys... my mac just crashed, what has happened?
[19:59] Nick change: will_ -> Guest10991
[19:59] <Guest10991> Its Will by the way
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !whereis ubseds18
[19:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: 03UBSEDS18 is over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(42.45252,-130.44297) at 0312051 meters
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !Whereis ryde
[20:00] <PE2BZ> I am away for the nigth
[20:00] <PE2BZ> ryde is in Germany
[20:00] <PE2BZ> close to the dutch border but 250 km away from me
[20:00] <Guest10991> Ryde is a small town on the isle of wight, on the south of england
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[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !whereis ryde
[20:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: 03RYDE was near 03Düsseldorf, Germany 10(51.58596,6.24749) at 03500 meters about 0330 minutes ago
[20:00] <mfa298> RYDE: it's been good to see a team in this challenge be involved here during the flight. I don't think many others have come here and talked about whats happenign and asked questions.
[20:01] <Guest10991> Ah, Its a very good resource
[20:01] <Guest10991> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Ryde+School+with+Upper+Chine/@50.7274027,-1.1708674,16.61z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x19c490128870468b!8m2!3d50.7282876!4d-1.167064
[20:01] <mfa298> and I think if you do more flights in future you'll get plenty of support from the community here.
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[20:03] <Guest10991> Thank you ever so much, hopefully we may do another launch with a bigger balloon
[20:04] <RYDE> That's surprising.. This has been our first attempt at HABing and this has been an excellent resource!
[20:05] <Guest10991> deffinatley a fantastic resouce, thanks all!
[20:07] <mfa298> well for a first flight that made it past the tree line you've done very well, I certainly hope you get those prizes.
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[20:08] <RYDE> thanks :) as do we! I'll be sure to come back and update you all as soon as i find out. Other competitors may now launch again before the end of the month to have another stab at the prizes
[20:11] <RYDE> on that note, i'm off now
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[20:11] <RYDE> thanks again all, bye!
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[20:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STABILOTRON-II - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
[20:36] <Babs> that'll be the test done then...
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[22:41] <Ian_> Maybe the sponsors should have awarded a prize to the teams for finding and using the best available resources as well. I feel that lots of the teams manage to miss or squander the resource opportunity.
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[22:43] <Ian_> Sad that teams felt the need to question the veracity of the data, rather than engaging and competing hader. I guess that the back edge of a storm is always going to be good for winds and if its over UKHAS telemetry groundstation country then that's a real bonus.
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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