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[04:32] <labjg> Hi folks; anyone here with PITS board experience?
[04:33] <labjg> obvs daveake but anyone else that's here now?
[04:34] <labjg> I have an RTTY carrier shift question..
[04:35] <Ian_> No promises, but ask your question
[04:37] <labjg> Hi Ian. Just about the setup really. I see conflicting info for the carrier shift that should be input into dl-fldigi...
[04:37] <labjg> the PITS guide pdf says 910 Hz
[04:37] <labjg> Other guides hint that has been superceded with 600 Hz
[04:37] <labjg> HOWEVER
[04:37] <labjg> the two signals on my waterfall appear to be in between these values :P
[04:38] <labjg> So I sonder if the carrier shift can actually vary between units and whether I am better measuring the offset from the waterfall plot
[04:38] <labjg> *wonder
[04:39] <labjg> (or if there's some rule the the gap should be on the inside of the two signal tracks, if that makes sense)
[04:39] <Ian_> I don't think that it is too prescriptive. 50 Baud RTTY used to be 850Hz shift as standard but 425Hz is good to go, or anywhere in between.
[04:40] <Ian_> Match the shift with the yellow(?) lines on dl-fldigi so that the tones fall on the filters
[04:40] <Ian_> More of a dl-fldigi question I suspect
[04:40] <labjg> That's what I thought..
[04:40] <labjg> hm suppose
[04:41] <Ian_> If you merely centre the signal so that the tones fall equally inside or outside the filters, then you get a much reduced useful signal into the heart of the program
[04:41] <labjg> Yes, I guess really the question is should the offset on fldigi optimally sit in the centre of each yellow line on the waterfall, or should it be on the inside or outside of those lines
[04:42] <labjg> Intuitively I'd think on the peaks
[04:42] <Ian_> Centred on both tones slap bang in the middle of the filters
[04:42] <labjg> indeed
[04:42] <labjg> ok, glad you agree
[04:42] <labjg> In which case my PITS board seems to have a shift of more like 700 Hz
[04:43] <Ian_> I don't know, but believe dl-fldigi will allow a custom shift to accommodate. 700Hz is not a bad value
[04:43] <labjg> I have no feel for whether this is unexpected
[04:43] <labjg> yep ok
[04:43] <Ian_> Just when you advertise your flight make sure you state the shift so that others can match it.
[04:43] <labjg> Thanks for your thoughts!
[04:43] <labjg> Uhuh
[04:44] <labjg> Little while to go before that but will do
[04:44] <labjg> Still getting to grips with the habhub configuration files etc.
[04:44] <Ian_> If you really want to be a purist then you may want to adjust it for 425 or 600Hz - does the pits board use pwm or a resistor net to adjust the shift? or do I have to look in the manual . . . ?
[04:45] <labjg> Yeah not sure; I can investigate
[04:45] <labjg> again, maybe I'll ping daveake about it
[04:45] <Ian_> Where are you located . . . USA or Aus?
[04:45] <labjg> OZ
[04:46] <Ian_> Darkside is maybe your man at this time of day as he is OZ based. daveake should be alive and well in two to three hours time I imagine. I'm just a late night owl
[04:47] <Ian_> UK
[04:47] <labjg> Ah yes
[04:47] <labjg> k
[04:47] <labjg> Would you also happen to know much about the habhub tracker/map configs? It appears only approved 'real' flights will appear on the map. Do you know if this is true?
[04:48] <Ian_> Best always to just ask the question directly rather than ask who knows about then those that know will answer.
[04:48] <Ian_> Reading your question
[04:49] <labjg> Well, it seems like there is no way to test the tracking system until launch day (an approved flight document)
[04:49] <labjg> Yet I've no idea whether my tracking station is configured properly.. ideally I want to test this on the bench
[04:49] <adamgreig> anything with a payload doc will appear on the map, you need to test it before your flight doc will get approved
[04:49] <Ian_> To appear on the map, you need a valid payload document. Before joining #habhub to ask for approval, you should test
[04:50] <adamgreig> the flight doc serves to put something on the calendar, collate telemetry from a single flight, and stop anyone messing with your setup during the real flight (flight docs take priority when matching payloads, before non-flight payload docs)
[04:51] <labjg> Ah.. so there are config docs, payload docs and flight docs?
[04:51] <Ian_> and check the logtail for good parsing - adamgreig is a prime admin Darkside is your man when adam is asleep
[04:51] <labjg> rgr
[04:51] <adamgreig> in the habhub system there are only payload and flight docs
[04:51] <adamgreig> maybe pits has a config doc
[04:52] <adamgreig> (really I should be asleep now, too, but here we are)
[04:52] <Ian_> Some of us have been watching the hit rate adamgreig :)
[04:52] <labjg> heh
[04:53] <labjg> ah it seems what i'm calling a config document _is_ the payload doc
[04:53] <Ian_> yeah, Upu is baby bound :)
[04:53] <labjg> I generated one of these payload docs, but didn't know it needed approving
[04:53] <labjg> so this can be approved and I will appear on the map?
[04:54] <adamgreig> payload docs don't need approving
[04:54] <adamgreig> as soon as they're made, they're working, and you can immediately appear on the map
[04:54] <labjg> hm, then i have a problem
[04:54] <adamgreig> only flight docs need approving, and only when you're ready to fly
[04:54] <labjg> that's what i expected...
[04:54] <adamgreig> are you EI2KK ?
[04:54] <labjg> no
[04:54] <labjg> OZBLN
[04:55] <adamgreig> looks like your dl-fldigi isn't uploading anything at all right now
[04:55] <labjg> not right now, no.
[04:55] <labjg> i tried it this time yesterday
[04:55] <adamgreig> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[04:55] <adamgreig> that ^ will show any errors during parsing
[04:55] <labjg> ah ok! useful
[04:55] <labjg> ty
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[04:57] <labjg> also in fldigi it appears non-flying payloads can't be imported into the program to test the parsing. looks like a limitation of the program
[04:57] <labjg> (unless that's another problem I have)
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[05:01] <labjg> ok it's on the log now
[05:01] <labjg> parsing error
[05:01] <labjg> thanks for the link!
[05:04] <Ian_> You seem to be providing 11 fields but your payload doc is specifying 9
[05:04] <labjg> yeah just trying to fix that...
[05:04] <Ian_> Fine
[05:05] <Ian_> I'm going afk to my bunk. I think that UK support is waking up about now. AG is obviously an early bird today
[05:08] <Darkside> uhm
[05:08] <Darkside> oh ok, adamgreig got it
[05:08] <Ian_> GM
[05:10] <adamgreig> I wish i was an early bird today
[05:10] <labjg> heh
[05:10] <adamgreig> labjg: you can import payloads without flight docs, but it's a different tab
[05:10] <adamgreig> under 'testing' or 'all payloads' or something
[05:10] <labjg> yeah i saw that
[05:10] <labjg> but didn't seem to do anything.. i suspect now because of my parsing fail
[05:10] <labjg> !
[05:11] <labjg> just trying to work out what the default pits fields are :/
[05:11] <labjg> none of the PISKY existing docs i've clicked on so far have 11 fields!
[05:14] <labjg> I have $$OZBLN,46,05:07:04,-35.32168,149.00729,00777,0,0,9,24.1,0.0,0.000*6A34
[05:14] <labjg> Up to the temp (24.1) I think I know
[05:14] <labjg> the two zero values at the end are a mystery :P
[05:14] <labjg> one might be 'battery'
[05:15] <Ian_> I think that the naked pisky has 9 fields and sensors are extras
[05:15] <labjg> Hm maybe I have other sensors turned on in config, but I don't remember doing that
[05:16] <Ian_> The 0.0 and the 0.000 are the two mismaching fields one will be temp (I imagine) the other could also be a temp or a battery sensor, but I'm guessing
[05:17] <Ian_> I'm happy to mislead you, but not without you knowing that might be the case :)
[05:22] <labjg> heh, ok ta
[05:26] <Ian_> Looking at the PITs manual, 425HZ is probably the best option and what most people used.
[05:26] <Ian_> tend to use.
[05:26] <Ian_> Page 28
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[05:34] <labjg> Oh?
[05:34] <labjg> For carrier shift?
[05:34] <labjg> Not on this version >> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/data/uploads/pits-manual.pdf
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[05:43] <Ian_> Page 27 even. The filter cursors are also red and not yellow as I may have indicated earlier
[05:48] <Ian_> I wouldn't argue with the author but suspect that the default shift in the box was maybe not the best choice. I haven't looked far enough back to see what rtty shift he has used recently. Doing a lot of LoRa testing
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[07:04] <labjg> Ian_, I see 434.24 MHz (the carrier frequency), and 910 Hz for the carrier shift//
[07:04] <labjg> *434.25
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[10:33] <AndyEsser> CQ CQ CQ
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[10:34] <fsphil> hihihi
[10:42] <gonzo_> need to know what band you are calling on, to know how to reply
[10:50] <AndyEsser> you're tuned into the band....
[10:50] <AndyEsser> FINE!
[10:50] <AndyEsser> CQ CQ CQ, this is M6NFS on 434.450 CQ CQ
[10:50] <AndyEsser> something to that effect
[10:51] <AndyEsser> I dunno, if I ever need to do it, I'll just bug craag
[10:53] <fsphil> fine business
[10:53] <fsphil> another phrase I only ever hear on amateur radio
[10:56] <Darkside> haha
[10:56] <Darkside> FB
[10:59] <AndyEsser> ?
[11:02] <gonzo_> fk and bllcks
[11:03] <gonzo_> usually said when a dropped screw rolls somewhere inaccessible
[11:03] <AndyEsser> ah
[11:03] <gonzo_> not sure hoow 70cm contacts go. Never heard anyone using it!
[11:04] <AndyEsser> I couldn't remember the 2m calling channel
[11:04] <AndyEsser> 144.425?
[11:04] <fsphil> 145.500 for fm
[11:04] <AndyEsser> that sounds more correct...
[11:04] <gonzo_> 2mtrs is CB, HF is italians shouting over eveyone, qrm and the smell of piss
[11:06] <fsphil> 4m is for all the people in clubs who got sold the radio nobody else wanted
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:06] <AndyEsser> ha
[11:06] <gonzo_> 4mtrs used to be a band that you had to do some work to get onto
[11:07] <AndyEsser> I should really look at maybe putting my license to use sometime...
[11:07] <AndyEsser> since I don't have the X50 hooked up to anything at the moment, might as well stick it into the FT817
[11:07] <gonzo_> so you tended to get more interesting chats
[11:07] <fsphil> I wired up the ft817 last weekend, just a little magmount antenna. there's nothing much local
[11:09] <AndyEsser> I don't imagine there's too much locally
[11:09] <AndyEsser> should see if the council will let me mount a 1090 antenna outside my office window
[11:11] <gonzo_> most vhf bands are pretty quiet
[11:12] <gonzo_> some repeater traffic at rush hour/evening nets.
[11:13] <AndyEsser> HAM rush hour?
[11:13] <AndyEsser> lol
[11:14] <AndyEsser> after they get back from the doctors, but before they fall asleep at 8pm?
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[11:15] <gonzo_> according to an rsgb survey, the average age of the uk ham population is 69
[11:15] <gonzo_> though they did say that the avereage age increase is slowing
[11:16] <gonzo_> not sure that is quite as reasuring as they made it sound
[11:16] <AndyEsser> Yea, it really isn't...
[11:16] <AndyEsser> An aging population is never a good thing...
[11:16] <AndyEsser> in nations, or HAM radio
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[11:16] <gonzo_> all hobbies seem to be going that way
[11:17] <AndyEsser> yea, my rifle club is very dangerously close to being shut down
[11:17] <AndyEsser> part of the reason I'm shooting their next year
[11:17] <gonzo_> play station seems to be taking the place of the more traditional 'doing things' interests
[11:17] <AndyEsser> we're struggling to keep the minimum 10 active shooters we need for the Home Office to allow us to operate
[11:18] <gonzo_> the HO approvals thing is a bit of a ball ache
[11:19] <gonzo_> though it's not mandatory. You can have clubs that are just collections of people. But you still have to have a separate HO club membership to keep the licence going.
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[11:20] <gonzo_> but below a few members, even a non HO club can be expensive
[11:21] <gonzo_> my brother was into RC planes. You would have thopught that would have attracted younger people. but the club membershp was similar to AR.
[11:22] <AndyEsser> yea
[11:22] <AndyEsser> as you say
[11:22] <AndyEsser> it's easier to sit on a sofa and play a game
[11:22] <AndyEsser> and cheaper
[11:22] <AndyEsser> rather than go out, learn something and meet new people, and have to invest
[11:23] <gonzo_> hearing what the lads at work here spend on gaming, it can't be a financial thing
[11:24] <AndyEsser> £300 for a console + £50-60 for a game
[11:24] <AndyEsser> but you can get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of that
[11:24] <gonzo_> £300 on a graphics card.....
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[11:25] <AndyEsser> which will last you years
[11:25] <AndyEsser> and £300 on a graphics card is nothing
[11:25] <AndyEsser> I've nearly spent £500-600
[11:25] <AndyEsser> and I know people that spends £1000's a year on gfx cards
[11:26] <AndyEsser> but yes, maybe it's not financial
[11:26] <AndyEsser> certainly easier/nicer to be on a sofa, in a nice warm house, with food nearby playing games
[11:26] <AndyEsser> than climbing up a ladder to run some 213 :P
[11:26] <AndyEsser> for most people :P
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:29] <gonzo_> the times spent on these games is quite staggering.
[11:30] <gonzo_> i did have one of the guys shocked that I had no games. 'What the hell do you do in the evenings then?'
[11:30] <fsphil> when I wer a lad, games cost £2.99 :)
[11:31] <gonzo_> and you had to wait 15mins for it to load off cassette
[11:31] <fsphil> true, though they often came with good loading music
[11:31] <gonzo_> screech, buzzz
[11:32] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: you're talking to a gamer :P
[11:32] <gonzo_> and lots of upset from the folks, who were waiting for the TV back
[11:32] <AndyEsser> however, I'm a weird one that went over and spent a day at my boss's house on a cold and windy Saturday just so I could play with a digger :)
[11:33] <gonzo_> they are good fun. I did have a weeken hire of a mini digger
[11:33] <fsphil> nah that was poor zx spectrum folk. c64 ftw :)
[11:33] <SIbot> In real units: 64 ft = 20 m
[11:33] <gonzo_> but it takes you a day to learn
[11:33] <fsphil> sorry, commodore 20ft
[11:33] <SIbot> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[11:34] <gonzo_> I had a zx81, then went on to the Oric.
[11:34] <gonzo_> fsphil 1 : sibot 0
[11:34] <mfa298> from the AR side I think it's also lost out on the interesting things like talk to people around the world for free - now we've got skype and all the other new fangled things
[11:35] <gonzo_> there were no games for the oric, but I was nevewr into that. It came with a schematic and a rom functions doc pack
[11:35] <mfa298> and the UK is safe enough there's not much need for emergency comms (I can see earthquake zones AR might be a bit more popular)
[11:36] <gonzo_> radio use to be something special. Now it is routine. So it's lost it's wow factor. You have to try and sell the interest of why and how it works. And that limits your market
[11:36] <mfa298> gonzo_: these days you have to wait 15 minutes for all the company tags and intro videos instead
[11:37] <gonzo_> heh, yep, the internet has slowed down to the speed of an HF net
[11:38] <AndyEsser> it's just a shame that every teenager walks around with a phone now
[11:38] <AndyEsser> that they'd be utterly heartbroken if they didn't have
[11:38] <AndyEsser> couldn't cope
[11:38] <AndyEsser> but it's tantamount to magic to them
[11:38] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, on the subject of eng hobbies. Just managed to order a NOS extractor claw for a 100yo SMLE
[11:38] <AndyEsser> no idea how "OMG luv you bezzie xoxox" gets from A to B
[11:39] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: in english? :P
[11:39] <gonzo_> outside phone covereage you can actually see them in shock and panic
[11:39] <gonzo_> enfield mk1
[11:39] <gonzo_> ww1 vintage .303
[11:39] <AndyEsser> o right, sorry
[11:40] <gonzo_> SMLE, pronounced: smelly
[11:41] <gonzo_> but the internet is great for things like that. Pre web, i'd have been phoning around dealers for a week
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[11:41] <gonzo_> back on topic: Anyone from the RYDE group here?
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[11:47] <mfa298> they came in yesterday briefly as ryde
[11:47] <mfa298> and did manage to come in here before launch last time they attempted a launch
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[11:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:56] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon. I am looking for a thin cable to hide behind the central heating pipe to get 1 GB network to my radio room. I find a fiber option, anyone here has experience with that ? http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/1417919/Polymeric-Optical-Fiber-FOC-Cable-1x-RJ45-socket-1x-RJ45-socket-9801000-2000-m-fuba?ref=searchDetail
[11:56] <PE2BZ> Cable diameter given is 2.1 mm
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[11:57] <AndyEsser> I'd love to see if Bangor would do like a 6 week (2 sessions a week) workshop
[11:57] <AndyEsser> of basically "build your own phone"
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[11:57] <AndyEsser> type thing
[11:58] <AndyEsser> not necessarily actually on the cellular network, and not as powerful as an iphone obviously
[11:58] <AndyEsser> but just show that modern phones aren't all just black magic
[11:59] <mfa298> PE2BZ: that looks like its some special setup, not using an normal standards
[11:59] <PE2BZ> Indeed a mount fiber yourself at home connection
[12:00] <PE2BZ> I can go for the standard, but LC connectors won´t pass the hole between 2 floors. The cable does but I am not able to mount LC connectors myself.
[12:00] <mfa298> I've only used fibre connections using standard SX/LX optics and MM/SM fibre (also SR/LR for 10G)
[12:01] <mfa298> you can normally seperate the lc connector into two seperate parts, althoguh that might not help much unless there's enough slack so you dont have to bend anything too mcuh
[12:12] <daey> AndyEsser: with phone you mean the phone part or the 'raspberry' part?
[12:15] <gonzo_> could you not just sleeve some bare cat6 pairs through the gap?
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[12:19] <AndyEsser> daey: raspberry?
[12:23] <daey> AndyEsser: synonym for 'small all in one computer'
[12:23] <daey> it even uses a common smartphone cpu iirc
[12:24] <daey> so essentially if you connect it to a umts transceiver you basically have all essential smartphone parts
[12:24] <AndyEsser> I know what a Raspberry Pi is
[12:24] <fsphil> I think the pi cpu was originally for video set top boxes
[12:25] <AndyEsser> I meant, scratch build a PCB maybe with GSM connectivity, and then problem an LCD screen and keypad etc
[12:25] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea
[12:25] <AndyEsser> the Pi has some great video hardware for the chip of it's 'size'
[12:25] <Darkside> is GSM still a thing in the UK?
[12:25] <Darkside> they've turned it off here
[12:25] <AndyEsser> pretty sure it's still on
[12:25] <daey> AndyEsser: but that essentially is a raspberry. :/ all the schematics are open
[12:26] <daey> only thing missing is the GSM part
[12:26] <Darkside> err
[12:26] <fsphil> the pi ain't open
[12:26] <Darkside> the raspberry pi isnt really that open
[12:26] <AndyEsser> the schematics aren't open
[12:26] <fsphil> broadcom innit
[12:26] <daey> fsphil: the schematic isnt? :O
[12:26] <Darkside> theres schematics showin the interfaces
[12:26] <AndyEsser> also, that doesn't help with the "not a box of magic"
[12:26] <Darkside> and thats about it
[12:26] <daey> oh i thought the init routine is the only closed part
[12:26] <fsphil> a schematic is nice, but the pi is all the magic in the soc
[12:27] <daey> thats kinda true for all smart devices
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[12:36] <dbrooke> AndyEsser: probably not as DIY as you meant but https://www.seeedstudio.com/RePhone-Kit-Create-p-2552.html
[12:42] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: cheers
[12:44] <Upu> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/19/ham_radio_app_bad_review/
[12:46] <AndyEsser> great customer support
[12:47] Action: AndyEsser worries that Upu will disable his GPS devices if he posts a bad review
[12:50] <fsphil> remotely while in the air
[12:56] <AndyEsser> fsphil: that was the implication :P
[13:03] <gonzo_> but you'd only do that if it failed, in which case, it would be self forfilling prophacy
[13:04] <gonzo_> RYDE are still into 'ish' time I assume
[13:04] <fsphil> I don't like your tone AndyEsser (remotely disables IRC client)
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[13:05] <mfa298> hmmm, lets hope that sdr-radio doesn't get sold off as well.
[13:06] <fsphil> I don't think there's much risk of gqrx being remotely disabled
[13:07] <AndyEsser> fsphil: my project for xmas break is to work more on the RTTY demod btw
[13:07] <fsphil> nice
[13:07] <AndyEsser> you may want to mute me or log out of irc :P
[13:07] <AndyEsser> or risk being asked for help :P
[13:16] <fsphil> I've a nice list of things I'd like to finish over the holidays. I tend never to manage any of them
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[13:30] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, PC or microcontroler
[13:31] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: hmm?
[13:31] <AndyEsser> o RTTY demod{?
[13:31] <AndyEsser> it will be cross-platform (Linux + Windows to start - Mac if I can be bothered) replacement for fldigi
[13:31] <gonzo_> I did an rtty decode for logic levels. Basically a sw uart for rx
[13:32] <Darkside> a GUI around david rowe's fsk_demod would be useful..
[13:32] <Darkside> since we've used that on balloon flights previously
[13:32] <AndyEsser> first pass was just going to be command line
[13:32] <Darkside> and it does 4FSK and other stuff
[13:32] <gonzo_> mine was for a pic, to use with an NRX2 for commanding
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[13:32] <Darkside> david's fsk demod has been tested well too..
[13:33] <AndyEsser> pish - who needs testing :P
[13:33] <Darkside> clearly not fldigi
[13:33] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:33] <Darkside> since its RTTY demod appears to have gotten worse
[13:34] <Darkside> AndyEsser: http://www.rowetel.com/?p=4629
[13:36] <fsphil> I haven't tried the latest fldigi modem
[13:36] <AndyEsser> Darkside: ta
[13:36] <fsphil> anyone given it a go?
[13:36] <AndyEsser> Darkside: seems his motivation for writing the modem matches my own
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[13:39] <Darkside> AndyEsser: the fsk modem is now in C
[13:39] <Darkside> though its more generic. the framing detection stuff wodul have tobe done separately
[13:39] <Darkside> AndyEsser: the nice thign is david has a long background in modem development, so he knows what he's doing with it
[13:40] <fsphil> aye, smart cookie
[13:40] <Darkside> used to do sat modems years ago, then recently has been working on codec2 and freedv
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[13:42] <AndyEsser> nice
[13:42] <AndyEsser> Darkside: yea, mine was going to be done in C++ (yes yes, boo from this lot) and as modular and generic as I could make it
[13:42] <AndyEsser> to just bolt on other modes, etc
[13:42] <AndyEsser> it's an interesting problem, and I like interesting problems
[13:44] <Darkside> anyway, just saying thats theres an existing modem there
[13:44] <AndyEsser> cheers :)
[13:44] <Darkside> it *Really* need some nice wrapper around it to be usable
[13:44] <Darkside> its all used with command line foo at the moment
[13:44] <Darkside> i use it in the high speed FSK downlink, which we've flown a few ties
[13:45] <Darkside> where high speed = 115kbaud of SSDV
[13:45] <Darkside> few times*
[13:45] <AndyEsser> about the speed of the internet I'll be getting in my office
[13:45] <AndyEsser> *weeps*
[13:45] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/blob/master/start_rx.sh#L27
[13:46] <Darkside> you can see the absurd command line i'm using to do the signal decoding there
[13:46] <AndyEsser> ouch
[13:46] <Darkside> rtlsdr -> some filtering and conversion to a real valued signal, then into the odem
[13:46] <AndyEsser> I'm not a fan of piping stuff around in stdin
[13:46] <Darkside> into the modem*
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[13:46] <Darkside> then into a de-framer
[13:46] <AndyEsser> prefer to spin up a network port and do things that way
[13:46] <Darkside> AndyEsser: it works!
[13:46] <AndyEsser> but that's just me
[13:46] <AndyEsser> but as you say - it works :)
[13:46] <Darkside> instant multi-threading too :P
[13:47] <Darkside> but yes, everything before the fsk_Demod call is about getting the samples from teh rtlsdr into the right format for fsk_demod
[13:47] <Darkside> then afterwards drs232_ldpc takes the demod's soft decision output, does LDPC decoding on it, and then passes on valid packets to the python code (rx_ssdv.py) which re-assembles the packets into images
[13:48] <AndyEsser> \o/
[13:48] <Darkside> so we're sending down 1080p sized images, at full ssdv quality (6), in about 30 seconds
[13:48] <AndyEsser> can't complain too much at that :)
[13:49] <Darkside> so yeah, the modem does the job quite well
[13:49] <AndyEsser> what's the bandwidth required for that?
[13:49] <Darkside> its all about how to package it nicely
[13:49] <Darkside> AndyEsser: more than you can do in the UK :P
[13:49] <AndyEsser> I guessed :P
[13:49] <Darkside> the occupied bandwidth is something like 300-400 KHz
[13:50] <AndyEsser> brb
[13:50] <Darkside> we run it in the top end of the 70cm band
[13:50] <Darkside> nothing stopping you from running it at a lowe baud rate
[13:50] <AndyEsser> actually better than I thought
[13:50] <AndyEsser> but yea, more than the channel spacing/duty cycle stuff we have avaiable here
[13:50] <Darkside> theoretically it should be 2*Fs
[13:50] <AndyEsser> but yea - brb
[13:53] <Darkside> right, past midniht here
[13:53] <Darkside> im off to bed..
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[15:33] <Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/12/21/2153205/china-claims-tests-of-reactionless-em-drive-were-successful
[15:33] <Laurenceb_> literally wut
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[15:42] <gonzo_> I've been working on a zero stored energy perpetual motion machine. Shoudl I write that up too?
[15:45] <lz1dev> i've perpetually wasting energy with zero motion
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[15:50] <gonzo_> why did I think that RYDE was today...... Going daft
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[21:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RYDE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RYDE
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[22:34] <fsphil> oh WB8ELK-2 was quite near the UK 10 hours ago
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[22:35] <fsphil> hysplit has it going to spain. typical
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:08] <Vaizki> hmmh I'm going to spain tomorrow.. but wife will give me the evi eye if I bring an airspy and magmount for the rental car.. :)
[23:08] <Vaizki> evil eye even
[23:09] <fsphil> it's strange how easily those things can be accidently packed
[23:10] <Vaizki> I mistook it for a xmas present I swear
[23:10] <Vaizki> who wouldn't want one!
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[23:16] <Vaizki> I actually will be right on that green hysplit path.. :O
[23:17] <Vaizki> the westernmost one that it
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[23:20] <Vaizki> but it will pass that point in the middle of the night.. literally at midnight :P
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[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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