highaltitude.log.20161211

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[03:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Peugeot _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Peugeot%20_chase
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[03:24] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[03:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(40.61396,147.84248) at 0312226 meters about 03a day ago
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[04:50] <richardeoin> ubseds filled
[04:54] <Darkside> hm
[04:54] <Darkside> early morning flight?
[04:55] <richardeoin> yup :)
[04:55] <richardeoin> 5.00-5.30 local launch
[04:55] <Darkside> fun
[04:55] <Darkside> sunrise photos?
[04:55] <Darkside> or just the only time you could get
[04:57] <richardeoin> the only time we could get, we're in a city kinda near an airport
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[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS21 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
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[05:22] <richardeoin> ubseds up
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[05:49] <g8fjg> getting pips and rsid
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[05:53] <g8fjg> <<2016-12-11T05:52Z Contestia @ 434609+1041>>
[05:54] <g8fjg> nearly $$UBSEDS21,01.3915,-2.3566,7,1,3.96,3.83,4.5,0*3(!(.4+WWEOA4
[05:55] <richardeoin> g8fjg: great
[05:56] <richardeoin> it's having a little trouble ascending, hopefully temporary
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[06:07] <g8fjg> still got 60km to blue line...the transmissions just fade at the end to spoil decodes....its 44hz high !!
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[06:19] <richardeoin> nice first greens g8fjg?
[06:20] <richardeoin> 30 second update rate is definitely nicer for tracking
[06:21] <g8fjg> coming thick and fast now ....helps if you have squelch off ..idiot...I blame it on the hour
[06:25] <g8fjg> going for T ..it can look after itself
[06:26] <richardeoin> yup good idea
[06:33] <richardeoin> think that's earned some toast with some of Ian_'s honey
[06:33] <richardeoin> I've still got a bit left
[06:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> just looking myself, not sure why it didn't get it on its own
[06:35] <PE2BZ> Good morning al
[06:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> seems to be within the capture range
[06:35] <PE2BZ> !dial ubseds21
[06:35] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS21 10(2e88): 03434.609 MHz
[06:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> rsid OK just weak
[06:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah beam was off position
[06:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> 06:40:60 is the time ???
[06:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> still not decoding every time either odd
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[06:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> deep fading must be odd pattern http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/index.php?ind=2
[06:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Intersting time $$UBSEDS21,06:40:60,161211,51.2168,-1.8733,2388,5,4,3.95,3.79,-0.5,2.1,0*A865 what does you watch read richardeoin ?
[06:57] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: my watch reads 06.57 now
[06:57] <richardeoin> did it gets stuck on 06:40 for a bit?
[06:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> no just a single valid crc block
[06:57] <richardeoin> oh 06:40:_60_
[06:57] <richardeoin> stupid gps, happens sometimes :p
[06:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes :-)
[06:59] <richardeoin> that's the SE880, another reason to stick to uBlox in future :)
[06:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> very deep fading for me as well
[06:59] <richardeoin> hmm
[06:59] <richardeoin> it think the antenna was fine
[07:00] <richardeoin> may calm down once it's stopped ascending
[07:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> could be some off refraction layer but very strong most of the time
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[07:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> weird, maybe spinng a lot http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/Screenshot-2016-12-11-070258.png
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[07:05] <g8fjg> really quiet part of the band for me..http://i.imgur.com/VGo7Gtz.jpg
[07:05] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: that is very strong fading
[07:05] <richardeoin> didn't see anything like that myself
[07:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> its very caalm and clear outside so could be a layer
[07:08] <g8fjg> I could see slow fades when it was just above noise level, almost like the battery running low at end of xmsn ..too loud now
[07:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> just done it again faded out one pip http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/Screenshot-2016-12-11-071238.png
[07:15] <g8fjg> must be a spin and deep null in pattern ?
[07:15] <g8fjg> good catch
[07:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> or refraction thru an inversion layer, its not doing it to every block so perhaps not spinning
[07:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> normally I get evey block solid with contestia until its passed out of range
[07:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> must be a layer its done it again but two fades in the same block http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/Screenshot-2016-12-11-071800.png
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[07:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> external temp grapth is far from smooth as well
[07:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> prediction is not good this morning either, its diverging from one done 10 mins ago http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/UBSEDS21_20161211072647.jpg
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[07:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> richardeoin, what are the power arrangments on this one ?
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[07:31] <richardeoin> there's solar panels, lots of solar panels :)
[07:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> no super cap ?
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[07:32] <richardeoin> there's a battery and a supercap in parallel
[07:33] <richardeoin> the idea is that the supercap will effectively reduce the internal resistance of the battery at night
[07:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah right, have to think about that diode blocking or really prarrallel?
[07:34] <richardeoin> there's a diode battery -> supercap
[07:35] <richardeoin> In this case "battery" is the voltage accross the battery, "bus" is the voltage across the supercap
[07:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> hehe have you tried this idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQA9khsF10&feature=youtu.be he he ;-)
[07:37] <M0NRD> !flights
[07:37] <SpacenearUS> 03M0NRD: Current flights: 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:38] <M0NRD> !dial 2e88
[07:38] <SpacenearUS> 03M0NRD: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS21 10(2e88): 03434.608746 MHz, 434.60862 MHz, 434.609 MHz, 434.6082 MHz
[07:42] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: haha I'll post photos later
[07:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> nice to see whats flying!
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[08:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Mumm wonder if I could see it passing by.... thick fog outside!
[08:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MODBN1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MODBN1
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[08:18] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: just uploaded some images here https://github.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/tree/master/assets/flights/21
[08:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> tks
[08:19] <richardeoin> completed tracker: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/master/assets/flights/21/tracker_complete.jpg
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[08:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No visual sighting, fogs gne, but some haze over the channel
[08:34] <richardeoin> it's pretty high now, I would have been impressed with a visual sighting
[08:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 45Km at time I was looking, sun would have been highligthing it from rear
[08:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but too much haze
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-13
[08:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Suns out now http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS21_20161211/C360_2016-12-11-08-37-39-821.jpg
[08:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> so no chance!
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[08:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> solar cells mounted verticaly? good low angle, have you tested at how low solar angle the tracker runs? left/right panels running independently of each other?
[08:45] <Vaizki> gooood morning
[08:45] <Vaizki> I think there is empirical data for solar elevation already :)
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[08:46] <Vaizki> so many sunrises have been observed with 18
[08:46] <Vaizki> ack.. this is a new power setup
[08:47] <richardeoin> SA6BSS-Mike: yup, the panels are pointing sideways
[08:47] <richardeoin> other than that it's roughly the same setup as 17, which burst early
[08:47] <richardeoin> fingers crossed for this one
[08:48] <richardeoin> should be going to about 13km
[08:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, GL , fingers crossed here as well :)
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> waiting for some plastic to arrive and I will try making a custom balloon as well
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> have got my wspr tracker down to 6grams in total with antenna and solar cells
[08:49] <richardeoin> SA6BSS-Mike: cool
[08:50] <richardeoin> haha this one is 34g, a monster in comparison :)
[08:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> indeed :)
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[08:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> planned launch sometime after mid feb when solar angle reaches +20 deg
[08:52] <Vaizki> mmm I really need a wspr receiver out on my island
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[08:52] <Vaizki> wife is not too enthusiastic about a looooong antenna though
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[09:02] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: train wife
[09:03] <Vaizki> train to lapland? ;)
[09:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
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[09:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> just went out and took down some snow from a longwire with a lot of snow on it
[09:05] <Vaizki> no snow here now
[09:06] <Vaizki> well the problem at the island also is that its full of trees
[09:06] <Vaizki> like settibg up in a forest
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats realy a good thing to hang antenna from, no trees here so I using vertcals on the lawn, works great and wife does not complain (so mouch)
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> the butternuts are realy good multiband vertical
[09:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> have two of them
[09:10] <Vaizki> I thought its bad to have a tree right next to the antenna
[09:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> on of its not realy any impact on the performabnce
[09:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> *HF
[09:12] <Vaizki> hmmh
[09:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> have a cherry tree next to one of my antennas and one completlt free, no deffernce in performance
[09:12] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: my dad has a full 160m dipole with trees quite near. still works great.
[09:13] <Vaizki> I'm talking about a dense forest of 20m+ pine trees
[09:13] <Vaizki> not an orchard :)
[09:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> I´m sure it will work great, thats waht I read/heard over the years anyway
[09:14] <Vaizki> well I will give it a go in the spring when I get back there
[09:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> and you compensate any db loss in rx with a realy quiet loaction
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[09:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: it's very easy to put up so give it a try :)
[09:17] <Vaizki> yea maybe a g5rv to start with would work with the wife
[09:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: we have dense wood at our cabin, works really good and almost impossiblde to spot
[09:17] <Vaizki> get it 10-12m up
[09:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> nononno not the g5rv please I beg u !!
[09:18] <Vaizki> ok!
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> solar cells mounted verticaly? good low angle, have you tested at how low solar angle the tracker runs? left/right panels running independently of each other?m
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh
[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> nhats realy just a good anternna on 20m
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[09:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> are u just going to rx or tx as well
[09:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> are u going to set up remote and want multiband without tuner?
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[09:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> as I guess u are not in the cabin in the winter time`?
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[09:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> look at the Cushcraft R-7 butternut hf9 or ...
[09:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> GAP CHALLENGER
[09:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> or gap titan
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[09:37] <gonzo_> or just vget some small yagisd and work satellites
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[10:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> that's a lot of station tracking ubseds :) look like its getting close to float now @ 15000m
[10:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> richardeoin: hydrogen or Helium?
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[10:10] <richardeoin> SA6BSS-Mike: helium
[10:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok,
[10:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like float @ 15100m
[10:10] <richardeoin> lots of pre-stretch, more than expected even
[10:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice alt !! :)
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[10:18] <dbrooke> richardeoin: antenna seems OK for APRS, some received in N. Cambs http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-ihJVAo
[10:25] <Vaizki> we have this thing called sea ice here :)
[10:26] <Vaizki> and my fresh water systems are not winter-spec
[10:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> !info ubseds21
[10:27] <Vaizki> right now on the bench ... https://imgur.com/a/c3W7J
[10:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah, no aprs on the 21?
[10:27] <Vaizki> I'm sure the swedes here can recognize that radiator :)
[10:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: actually no, what is it?
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not whilst over France it seems https://github.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/blob/master/assets/flights/21/ubseds21_no_aprs_world_miller_cylindrical.png
[10:28] <Vaizki> 6kW sauna stove
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> came on briefly mid channel!
[10:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: aah, mine is not that wide :)
[10:29] <Vaizki> wide? this is only 26cm wide
[10:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> tall then :)
[10:32] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: i have this type with a lid on, http://images.staticjw.com/ron/3755/liten-30.jpg
[10:36] <Vaizki> this is a freestanding one http://www.ikikiuas.fi/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/pilari-IKI-6kW-600x600.jpg
[10:36] <Vaizki> excellent kit but 2 of 3 elements didn't heat up
[10:36] <Vaizki> now that I have it on the bench of course it works fine
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[10:38] <Vaizki> I hate these kinds of faults
[10:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> Vaizki: oh, never seen a vertical one
[10:42] <Vaizki> these are very very good, strong recommendation
[10:45] <Vaizki> lots of stones and you can choose the amount of "bite" when throwing water, put it on top for a hot spike or down the side for gentle steam
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[10:47] <Vaizki> and no I can't find a single thing wrong with it now dammit.
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[10:55] <Vaizki> and yes, home appliances like this is why every house in Finland has 3-phase power
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> richardeoin, Your link to the UBSEDS21 page is broken its dated for 9th rather than 11th
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> My error page was cached from earlier!
[11:02] <x-f> $$UBSEDS21,06:40:60,161211,51.2168,-1.8733,2388,5,4,3.95,3.79,-0.5,2.1,0*A865
[11:02] <x-f> it is sending leap seconds
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[11:04] <Guest45847> help
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ?
[11:05] <Guest45847> qrg ubseds21 pse?
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !dial ubseds21
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS21 10(2e88): 0310 MHz, 434.60755 MHz, 434.608 MHz, 434.60883 MHz, 434.60911 MHz, 434.608674 MHz, 434.60799 MHz, 434.61 MHz, 0.006 MHz, 434.609 MHz, 434.6082 MHz
[11:06] <Guest45847> tnx Geoff
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:18] <Vaizki> x-f: I think the GPS indicates a bad ToD via the :60 in the timestamp...
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[11:41] <AetherOli> Hi, please can someone approve the UOLAether flight document? We are planning to launch tomorrow at 11am GMT
[11:42] <craag> AetherOli: Can you paste in here the flight doc id (long hex string)?
[11:42] <craag> Sorry, paste it in the #habhub channel.
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[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its not been tested either :-(
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F1TKE-12 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1TKE-12
[12:17] <daveake> This is the one that had bad CRC code last night? Flying tomorrow? Brave </yes_prime_minister>
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[12:40] <daey_> a while ago i asked if anyone had experience with the jupiter se880 regarding height/speed restrictions. but didnt get a definite answer. at which height do most receivers turn off?
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Works to 15Km as UBSEDS21 is using one ;-)
[12:41] <daey_> neat
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ask richardeoin for details!
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It also send interestng times occasionally like 06:40:60 ....
[12:43] <daey_> oh it just started :D beautiful
[12:44] <daey_> its currently reporting 15.134m. was your 15km just a rough estimate?
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its been up to 15.234 today!
[12:45] <daey_> its currently rising at 22.1m/s it should go much higher (if the data is correct)
[12:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> no thats the Horizontal it floating at 15Km
[12:45] <daey_> ah wait 0.2m/s
[12:45] <daey_> yeah :D
[12:47] <daey_> where does this 15km limit info come from? email from manufacturer?
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No where, its just that its been proven today to go to 15Km!!
[12:48] <tibs02> moo: os: Microsoft Windows 10 Home - (10.0.10586) up: 4days 22hrs 13mins 39secs cpu: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor (x64) at 4200MHz (21% Load) gfx: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x6779) -2.00GB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 4022/24558MB (16.38%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 4.65GB/58.59GB D:\ 816.37GB/931.41GB F:\ 197.78GB/298.08GB net:
[12:48] <tibs02> Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller - 0MB/s 0B In 0B Out
[12:49] <daey_> ah ok. so you meant 'it works at least to 15km'. i read it as a definitive limitation
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh dear a poor Win10 User
[12:49] <tibs02> lol
[12:49] <tibs02> good old winblows 10
[12:49] Nick change: tibs02 -> TIBS01
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[12:49] <TIBS01> i run good old linux servers aswell
[12:50] <PE2BZ> But they show up: 4 years and not 4 days ;-)
[12:50] <TIBS01> i run two aircraft recievers , and aprs reciever d-star node and fusion node
[12:50] <TIBS01> lol
[12:50] <TIBS01> yer ill show u my longest
[12:50] <TIBS01> [root@ns312322 ~]# uptime
[12:50] <TIBS01> 13:58:22 up 196 days, 18:54, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.06
[12:50] <TIBS01> [root@ns312322 ~]# uname -a
[12:50] <TIBS01> Linux ns312322.ip-188-165-225.eu 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #7 SMP Wed Jan 27 18:05:09 CET 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:50] <TIBS01> [root@ns312322 ~]#
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Win10 hasn't been out for 4 years yet!
[12:50] <TIBS01> lol it wont be up for 4 yrs
[12:50] <PE2BZ> tnx for pointing that out Geoff :-P
[12:51] <daey_> not after the last patch :D
[12:51] <TIBS01> winblows wont even last 1 yr
[12:51] <TIBS01> wanna see my aircraft reciever
[12:51] <TIBS01> http://essex.gibbs-hosting.co.uk
[12:52] <NigeyS> [cruck@373354-db1 ~]$ uptime
[12:52] <NigeyS> 12:52:21 up 1708 days, 7:56, 1 user, load average:
[12:52] Action: NigeyS whistles
[12:53] <TIBS01> wanna see my mates server
[12:53] <PE2BZ> TIBS01 problem fetchin data ;-)
[12:53] <TIBS01> -
[12:53] <TIBS01> Server Up 1222 days, 9:06:23
[12:53] <TIBS01> -
[12:53] <TIBS01> Highest connection count: 15 (14 clients) (8972 connections received)
[12:53] <TIBS01> -
[12:53] <TIBS01> End of /STATS report
[12:53] <TIBS01> -
[12:53] <TIBS01> it should be working
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[12:53] <TIBS01> its working my end
[12:53] <daey_> UBSEDS18 seems to be quite resilient :o
[12:53] <PE2BZ> there it is again
[12:54] <TIBS01> my aircraft reciever should be working
[12:55] <PE2BZ> it is now. The Ajax error disappeared
[12:55] <TIBS01> yer
[12:55] <TIBS01> i run two of them
[12:55] <TIBS01> one for flightaware and one for flightradar24
[12:56] <TIBS01> ones on 4g connection and the one your accessing is on adsl
[12:56] <PE2BZ> What antenna setup ?
[12:56] <TIBS01> erm i have loads of antennas lol
[12:56] <TIBS01> ill see if i can find the pics for ya
[12:56] <PE2BZ> Just for the dump-1090 ?
[12:57] <TIBS01> http://server2.steve-gibbs.co.uk/server/
[12:57] <TIBS01> have alook at them
[12:57] <TIBS01> theres servers weather station all sorts
[12:58] <daey_> what a dumpster
[12:58] <TIBS01> lol
[12:58] <TIBS01> yer it is a mess i need to sort it out
[12:59] <daey_> :D
[12:59] <TIBS01> i aint had time yet lol
[13:00] <daey_> richardeoin: do you have UBSEDS21 details? pics etc.?
[13:01] <PE2BZ> TIBS01 with a modification of a radiosonde (remove SAW filters, feed with 5 Volt and connect output cable at the seconde stage) I had inhouse reception over 200 km distance
[13:01] <PE2BZ> TIBS01 https://goo.gl/photos/Ufg1QX7Q8fXJNTSX9
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[13:02] <PE2BZ> daey_ https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/master/assets/flights/21/tracker_complete.jpg
[13:02] <PE2BZ> He posted them earlier this morning
[13:02] <TIBS01> niceee
[13:02] <daey_> ah
[13:02] <gonzo_> is that a 401MHz qfh on it?
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> daey_, he linked to these earlier https://github.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/tree/master/assets/flights/21
[13:02] <daey_> that solar array O.O
[13:03] <daey_> does he plan to cook coffee up there?
[13:03] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ on my image ? yes, it is
[13:03] <gonzo_> nice
[13:03] <PE2BZ> daey_ 34 grams does not even fit one coffeepad ;-)
[13:03] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ it´s a recycled radiosonde RS92 type which drop down nearby every now and then
[13:05] <gonzo_> only onews I have, have a 1/4 wave tx antenna
[13:05] <PE2BZ> Which type is that ?
[13:05] <daey_> PE2BZ: do you know what that tracker is capable of? it has so many ICs on it o0
[13:06] <daey_> seems overkill for the data it transmits
[13:07] <Darkside> daey_: remember its an old design
[13:08] <Darkside> early 2000s
[13:08] <gonzo_> it was not that long ago when they had a strip of punch tape with the cal values on
[13:08] <Darkside> a lot of advancement has happened in minaturisation since then
[13:08] <PE2BZ> daey_ serial number, frequency, packet number since power on, date time, pressure, pressure alt, temperature, and external sensors for ozon or different type sensors
[13:09] <PE2BZ> But all ¨secret¨ vaisala designs
[13:09] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ I have one of those too ;-)
[13:09] <Darkside> vaisala were assholes for a long timr
[13:09] <Darkside> monopoly providers
[13:09] Action: SpeedEvil looks at the still bagged RS80
[13:10] <Darkside> anyway im in an airport
[13:10] <gonzo_> and gps ranging =data, from the days when doing all the processing in-flight just took too much battery
[13:10] <PE2BZ> But currently, at 404.200 is the RS41 from near Cambride at 10000 meter going down
[13:10] <Darkside> waiting for my bags
[13:10] <Darkside> bbl
[13:11] <gonzo_> I was offered a garage full of rs80's
[13:11] <gonzo_> over 1000
[13:11] <Darkside> turn and run
[13:11] <gonzo_> I declined
[13:11] <gonzo_> nothing useable
[13:12] <PE2BZ> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pb7az1zyumyzdlt/Knipsel.JPG?dl=0
[13:12] <Darkside> i just want rs41s
[13:12] <Darkside> still flting rs92s here
[13:12] <Darkside> recovered one earlier today
[13:13] <PE2BZ> the RS80´s are also very easy to use the GPS antenna and preamp for 1090 MHz trackers !
[13:13] <daey_> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: looks like they use the telit gps quite often the ubseds17 used it as well
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: Of course there is something usable.
[13:14] <Darkside> PE2BZ: awaiting the day stm32 dev boards rain down from the skies
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: 9000V water activated battery
[13:15] <gonzo_> connect them up, throw bucket of water and run
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[13:15] <Darkside> bahahaha
[13:16] <gonzo_> mmmm, I stink of creosote. ?The real stuff. Nice
[13:16] <gonzo_> had half a gall left
[13:16] <PE2BZ> Darkside here in Holland, from the 17th of january they switch to the RS41 . I have one allready from Uccle, Belgium
[13:17] <Darkside> nice
[13:17] <Darkside> probably a long way off here
[13:17] <Darkside> will have to call up and ask
[13:17] <Darkside> hopefully burst kill will be off by default wjen theu switch
[13:19] <PE2BZ> The new series are off by default. Some airbase in UK sends the encrypted version with only date time and packet number readable
[13:19] <Darkside> wow
[13:19] <Darkside> encrypted
[13:20] <PE2BZ> afcoffee brb
[13:20] <Darkside> anyhoo, will be looking firwars to that day
[13:20] <Darkside> forward*
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[13:22] <Vaizki> what do you mean off by default? the kill switch?
[13:23] <Vaizki> I thought it's 10 hours now so if you launch at 12h intervals you don't need to switch frequencies because of the old sonde
[13:24] <Darkside> 10 houra is good enough i guesa
[13:24] <Darkside> to chase and recover the same day anyway
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[13:30] <PE2BZ> Kill switch is set to 8.5 hours after burst giving about 10.5 hours TX time indeed for not interfering with 12 hour flight intervals
[13:31] <PE2BZ> No hysplit available for UBSEDS21 ?
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[13:33] <NickB> dial on UBSEDS21?
[13:34] <g8fjg> 434.609
[13:34] <gonzo_> I had 434.609
[13:34] <gonzo_> bet my gpsdo is offline so no cal on that
[13:34] <gonzo_> but
[13:35] <gonzo_> iss school contact tomorrow, france, so should be audible in uk
[13:36] <gonzo_> 13:33 it starts
[13:36] <PE2BZ> NickB on the Icom it[ 434.608 in USB
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[13:42] <NickB> thanks
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[14:02] <g8fjg> ubsed21 still decoding outside blue ring 20db under this...impossible http://i.imgur.com/CBsipXS.png
[14:07] <g8fjg> its nearly drifted though my pass band ...and we're back
[14:13] <gonzo_> I was getting almost full decode, just oputsuide the 0deg ring. And my local horizon is quite high here
[14:14] <gonzo_> usually I lose things not far out of the green ring
[14:14] <gonzo_> nice mode
[14:23] <g8fjg> looks like thats me done just reds now..bye all
[14:24] <PE2BZ> g8fjg that would be about time ;-)
[14:25] <g8fjg> ..I'll beam back to you later Ben...still the odd green!!
[14:25] <PE2BZ> I was just looking at a antenna tower, 4 * 7 meter ;-)
[14:25] <PE2BZ> My LoRa is operating again since this afternoon Ron, went back to mode1 from mode4
[14:26] <g8fjg> ok mode 1
[14:26] <PE2BZ> I hope we can receive USBSEDS21 much more times :-)
[14:27] <PE2BZ> s/n around 0 dB over here at the Diamond V-2000 omnidirectional
[14:29] <g8fjg> Ideal for me to test my yagis ...looks like I've a pointing error of 5 deg....back to green
[14:30] <g8fjg> 73
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[14:51] <NigeyS> Laurenceb_ :)
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[15:20] <richardeoin> sun will set on ubseds21 soonish
[15:20] <richardeoin> the GFS think the ambient temperature is -64 Celcius up there, so if it keeps running it'll be a wild ride
[15:21] <richardeoin> update rate will drop to once every two minutes
[15:21] <richardeoin> and it will drift, probably 1kHz up at first, and then down
[15:22] <richardeoin> 10kHz down perhaps
[15:22] <richardeoin> bbl
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[15:23] <daey_> -64 :O
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[15:23] <daey_> what is the lowest recorded temp you guys remember?
[15:23] <daey_> i thought it stays above -55 pretty much all the time
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Depends on height and accuracy of the sesnors very few sensors are at all accurate below about -45-50 C
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> here is the UBSEDS18 grapth http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/UBSEDS18#g/altitude,temperature_external
[15:27] <richardeoin> the ubseds external temperature is from this thermistor http://uk.farnell.com/epcos/b57861s0103f040/thermistor-10k-1-ntc-rad/dp/679446
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah a decent sensor then!
[15:27] <richardeoin> characterised to -55 C
[15:27] <richardeoin> if you did through some of the older flights (13,14,15) I think there's a couple of -60s backlogged
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you have -58 on 21 already! http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/UBSEDS21#g/altitude,temperature_external
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[16:04] <AetherOli> How do I connect dl-fldigi to HabHub when the balloon is in testing rather than in the active flight section?
[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Provided you have a payload doc then it will display
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[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> the flight doc ensures that all the data between the flight start/end is recorded in one place and advertised
[16:05] <AetherOli> It's in the All payloads (testing) section but I cannot seem to select it
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> you will need to set the parameters up manually in dl-fldigi
[16:07] <AetherOli> I believe the parameters are already set, we are picking up the radio signal ourselves
[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> just select it in All and then press the autoconfig
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> in that case if its being parsed right it will apear on map if it doesn't check the logtail
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup yur failing
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> [2016-12-11 16:08:09,214] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: No configuration doc for 'UOLAedher' found looks like callsign wrong ?
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> d not t
[16:09] <daveake> At a wild guess, "UOLAedher" is mis-spelt
[16:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now CRC is still wrong
[16:12] <F4GUK> Frequency has dropped to +/- 434.605
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SY3BFO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SY3BFO_chase
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[16:18] <AetherOli> How do we know whether it has been tested correctly? Currently transmitting and receiving in a room, hence the errors
[16:19] <daveake> If it works, the logtail will show the sentence decoded (just look at examples of working trackers there right now) and it will appear on the map
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> well if you don't Rx it OK then its not OK, check the logtail for what it sees as well
[16:19] <daveake> It should work in the room
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your overlaoding Rx then disconnect aerials to get the signal strngth down
[16:24] <AetherOli> okay testing a few different things now
[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX_chase
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[16:28] <AetherOli> Still getting loads of errors in the signal unfortunately
[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> if you want to take screen shots and link them here we can advise
[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> need to see the SDR window and te dl-fldigi windows
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[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> still CRC error
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[16:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> but errors in the sentence as well
[16:33] <daveake> time wrong too
[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats balloonolo-7 isn't it ?
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[16:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> missing time parameter
[16:34] <AetherOli> https://goo.gl/QYMt9d
[16:34] <daveake> Aether one has wrong time; bolloonthingy has no time
[16:34] <AetherOli> Just sending test data for now until we get a clear signal
[16:34] <daveake> You have next to no signal there
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> the audio to dl-fldigi looks suspect, but need to see the righthand side of window
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> should be very clear dual line appearing
[16:35] <AetherOli> okay, one moment I'll take another picture
[16:35] <mickod> Sorry, noob question. I'm using Dave Akerman's LoRa Gateway application. It's working and transmitting telem and images to tracker.habhub.org (handle modbn1), but no images seem to be saved on the transmitting Pi, or the one receiving. Is this normal? And is there an option to save with the LoRa Gateway application? Many thanks.
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> can you not screengrab ?
[16:36] <daveake> For local images you need to install SSDV
[16:37] <AetherOli> Heres a screengrab http://imgur.com/a/lHxNn
[16:37] <daveake> The transmitting Pi (if you're using PITS s/w) are stored under /home/pi/pits/tracker/images/LORA0 or LORA1
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK audio level is low, but it doesn''t look clean as there are other lines there as well.
[16:38] <mickod> Thanks Dave, I'll check that folder now.
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> turn the SQL off whilst testing as well that can confuse
[16:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> those really don't look like clean RTTY signals either, are you tuned to the right signal ?
[16:41] <AetherOli> Turned SQL off, not sure we are tuned to right signal but it should be...
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> and as daveake says the time field looks odd
[16:41] <AetherOli> time field as hhmmss.ss? I believe?
[16:42] <daveake> It's slow by several hours
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> 120810.00
[16:42] <AetherOli> Dummy data for the time being
[16:42] <daveake> and you don't need the .00
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> ok
[16:44] <richardeoin> F4GUK: ubseds21 may be every 15 minutes now
[16:44] <richardeoin> so could be another packet about now
[16:45] <F4GUK> Thanks ! ;-)
[16:50] <AetherOli> I really dont know what to try next we are still getting errors in the signal
[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3ISZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3ISZ_chase
[16:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> how close are the Tx and Rx t each other ?
[16:51] <mickod> Found the images on the transmitting board, thanks Dave! Is there any documentation for installing and setting up ssdv to save images on the receiving board?
[16:51] <AetherOli> about 6 meters
[16:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> AetherOli, this is what it should look like http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/XABEN-100_20160719/Capture.JPG
[16:52] <AetherOli> we have done a rage test with a bigger areal and got a about s/n of 13 db over 30 km before with the same transmitter set up
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[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> the audio into dl-fldigi doesn't look at all right, seems to be very low level an several other interfering lines as well possibly
[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> almost like tuned to the wrong signal
[16:55] <AetherOli> we are using ntx2b which says 434.475Mhz?
[16:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes but that can be several KHz out, have you tuned around the frequency by =/- 10Khz say
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can the IC-PCR rx give you a specyrum display ?
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[17:01] <AetherOli> we just got a good check sum but now its gone :(
[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes you parsed OK
[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> other than for the time which failed
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> 2016-12-11 16:59:57,190] WARNING habitat.parser_daemon MainThread: Could not save doc 4b374b96b096030f9c8431e48b63dfc300b4ab93462495f2076cf31f42fdb4d8, unauthorized: {"error":"forbidden","reason":"Validation errors: 120810.0 is not of type u'string'"}
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> }
[17:02] <F4GUK> Ubseds21 seems begining its looong night !
[17:03] <AetherOli> Does that mean the payload has been marked as tested now? Or is more than this required?
[17:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> No not yet it failed the time check
[17:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Validation error
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[17:04] <AetherOli> time check?
[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> The time value is wrong format
[17:04] <daveake> It's what I said earlier
[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> RAe you looking at the logtail window for your data ?
[17:04] <AetherOli> What format is it required to be in?
[17:05] <daveake> hhmmss
[17:05] <daveake> or hh:mm:ss
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> or how you defined it in the payload document
[17:06] <AetherOli> alright, does everything else seem okay?
[17:06] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes it parsed OK, but just failed data validation as the time was incorrect
[17:07] <daveake> "altitude": 52.891 ... seems to tad more precise than necessary
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[17:07] <daveake> Given that GPS is going to be +/- metres, not mm
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[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Open a browser window here and watch you data appear with comments etc. http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> you will see other incoming data as well of course
[17:08] <richardeoin> yes too cold for ubseds21 :(
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> pause it to investigate
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> I like this https://www.linkedin.com/in/cliveone
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> Current employer...
[17:09] <daveake> Never seen a sentence ID s a float before, but hey ho
[17:11] Action: Geoff-G8DHE off to make dinner!
[17:12] <AetherOli> yes float was overkill!
[17:18] <AetherOli> Do we have to be able to receive our own sentences to have it set up with HabHub, because we have had numerous problems with our receiver lately?
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[17:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes, you need to be able to Rx your own signals
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> otherwise how will you check it before launch and when it lands and is out of range until you get close, inbetween everone else can help
[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[17:20] <AetherOli> Then we have a problem haha
[17:20] <AetherOli> We have a yagi to use for picking up the signal, its just the decoding that's giving us endless problems
[17:20] <daveake> Launch tomorrow, no properly working receiver, not on the map yet?
[17:22] <daveake> Not saying it's impossible, but it has the makings of a fail.
[17:22] <AetherOli> Yes, I agree..
[17:31] <PE2BZ> Endless problems and so less time....
[17:32] <PE2BZ> AetherOli do you have access to the rx equipment at the moment ? And the tx ofcourse ?
[17:32] <AetherOli> luckily if we fail tonight @scooby has offered us the use of his tracker so we may end up flying under is callsign..
[17:34] <PE2BZ> does rx on @scooby ´s tracker work with your RX setup ?
[17:34] <daveake> You still need a working receiver
[17:39] <AetherOli> PE2BZ: yes I do have acsess to to the tx and rx :)
[17:39] <PE2BZ> Can we help with debugging ?
[17:39] <AetherOli> yes please :)
[17:40] <PE2BZ> Step 1: which mode ? (assuming RTTY ?)
[17:41] <AetherOli> USB
[17:42] <PE2BZ> USB reception, with what kind of equipment ?
[17:42] <AetherOli> recever is Icom PCR-1000 with a whip arial (it will have a YARGI on the day)
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[17:43] <AetherOli> trasmitter is NTX2b with a shoe box antena
[17:43] <AetherOli> powered by an arduino
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[17:43] <PE2BZ> Ok. RTTY 50 bd ? or 300 bd with SSDV ?
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[17:44] <AetherOli> RTTY 50 bd
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[17:44] <PE2BZ> Ok. RX is connected to computer. Windows or Linux ?
[17:44] <AetherOli> both windows
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[17:44] <chris___> 5dc9821007ead7d5648ef21ec34c9db2
[17:44] <chris___> woops sorry
[17:45] <chris___> wrong page for that
[17:45] <PE2BZ> Ok. rtty software dl-fldigi is all setup and running ?
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[17:45] <AetherOli> yes dl-fldigi all up and running
[17:46] <PE2BZ> Ok. I assume (I do that a lot) that the audio output of the PCR-1000 runs with a (shielded) cable to line input (or perhaps mic input) on the computer ?
[17:48] <AetherOli> the audio out goes straight in to the audio jack of the pc
[17:49] <PE2BZ> audio IN jack ?
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[17:49] <AetherOli> yup headphone jack
[17:49] <daveake> Check the audio settings in control panel. Turn OFF any "effects"
[17:50] <PE2BZ> Headphone jack on the PC is audio OUT
[17:50] <daveake> Yup, tho some have dual in/out sockets
[17:50] <PE2BZ> daveake thanks for reminder ;-)
[17:51] <daveake> I have a few of the 4-pin --> dual adapters :)
[17:51] <PE2BZ> So when having the radio receiving on the frequency of the transmitter, do you see traces of signal in the waterfall on fldigi ?
[17:51] <daveake> he does - very faint blue traces not nice strong yellow ones
[17:52] <AetherOli> sorry it is dual, my mistake
[17:52] <daveake> http://imgur.com/a/lHxNn
[17:53] <daveake> So what physical cables/adapters are you using to get audio into it ?
[17:54] <daveake> What you *need* is a proper adapter like this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-com-Position-Headset-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B00CPEZ4J6/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1481478841&sr=8-10&keywords=4-pin+audio+adapter
[17:54] <PE2BZ> with 70 db as signal range my complete screen turns to yellow
[17:55] <AetherOli> serial out from icom to serial pc, then aux from serial pc to another pc
[17:56] <daveake> that's not making sense, in my mind anyway
[17:56] <daveake> You need an *audio* not serial connection from the headphone jack on the receiver, through an adapter like the one I linked, to the audio jack on the PC
[17:57] <daveake> You may well separately have a serial connection for adjusting the receiver frequency etc from the PC but that's not necessary at all
[17:57] <PE2BZ> serial from icom to pc is for controlling the PCR-1000. But what is the meaning of ¨aux from the serial PC¨?
[17:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> should work fine with with regular 3,5mm to 3,5mm between pcr1000 to mic in
[17:57] <daveake> does it ?
[17:57] <AetherOli> sorry serial from icom to pc and aux from icom to a seperate pc
[17:57] <daveake> He has a dual mic/headphone socket, not a mic socket
[17:58] <PE2BZ> Thats better. If you plug a headphone in the aux output, is the audio from the PCR-1000 ok ?
[17:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> it works, it does on y computer anyway, I have a single mic/headphone jack, I´l try it right now to be sure
[17:59] <AetherOli> It was previously when we were discussing it but now there is only white noise
[17:59] <daveake> The mic part is at the base of the plug; shouldn't work on a regular 3-pin plug though you might get away with it if it's not pushed in properly
[18:00] <PE2BZ> white noise because the TX is off right now ?
[18:01] <PE2BZ> other topic: is there a ¨way back¨ predictor to predict a flight from 00Z this morning ?
[18:01] <daveake> no
[18:02] <daveake> well not that I know of
[18:03] <PE2BZ> ok. The weathersonde from De Bilt (00Z) was more as 140 km of the path of the predictor for 12Z and that´s quite a distance for 12 hours.
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[18:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> when I push in my 3,5mm plug to the mic/headphone jack I get a popup asking what I ´m about to use, mic, line, headphone and a couple of more
[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> but I had to instrall audio driver from manufacuter (realtech) to get that going, not going to happen on microsoft deaffault driver
[18:05] <PE2BZ> Mike you have the ability at the moment the popup appears to tell you don´t want to see that message in the future ? Is it a realtek audio ?
[18:05] <PE2BZ> ok allready answered ;-)
[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, pretty sure...
[18:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> I sheck one sec
[18:06] <PE2BZ> Don´t disable it ;-)
[18:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> realtek yes
[18:07] <PE2BZ> AetherOli do you have realtek drivers installed and /or do you remember to have seen the popup for choosing your connection to be either input, output or whatever ?
[18:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, been there done that :) I did just that, had to reinstall the driver to get that popup to come back
[18:07] <PE2BZ> ;-)
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[18:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> AetherOli: if u have the tracker running and connect headphones to the pcr1000 do u hear the rtty ?
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[18:22] <PE2BZ> No, that was not the headphone connector. That was the network cable....
[18:23] <daveake> :)
[18:24] <PE2BZ> From where was he supposed to fly ?
[18:30] <daveake> Tewkesbury, England. That's 30 mins from here, but I'm off sick so I won't be going out to help
[18:33] <PE2BZ> Ok. Flue got to the ¨island¨ ?
[18:34] <daveake> Something related
[18:35] <PE2BZ> I have received 2 radiosonde flights from 00Z, one from De Bilt and one from the UK Herstmonceux, both are 140 km north-northwest from the 12Z prediction from today. Was the wind turning that fast today ?
[18:36] <PE2BZ> Get well ;-)
[18:38] <PE2BZ> https://www.windytv.com/?52.024,4.276,6 indeed shows that from sunday 00 to 12 the wind did change a lot.
[18:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[18:52] <daey_> is there a guide on how to build balloons from film?
[18:53] <daey_> UBSEDS18 e.g. uses PA-EVOH-PE multilayer film
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[19:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> richardeoin, has some plans of making the gores and some photo's of the heating rig to weld them somewhere as well.
[19:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> might also be worth having a word with edmoore, I think he may have some images of a hand welded balloon not sure ?
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[19:22] <daey_> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: meaning they really are build up of () shaped elements that are welded together?
[19:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes, see Richardson link early today it contains the plans, 4 shaped panels per gore then two gore's to form the balloon itself
[19:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Argh spell chucker richardeoin
[19:26] <daey_> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: i understood. did you mean his github pic link?
[19:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes that link for the plans
[19:27] <daey_> he posted two links today. one farnell link and this one: https://github.com/bristol-seds/bristol-seds.github.io/tree/master/assets/flights/21
[19:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> That's the one, look thru all the images one is a plan
[19:28] <daey_> nope
[19:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Your right it was another link he gave, only on tablet at the moment, so can't scroll bsck
[19:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Think it had raw in the URL at the start
[19:32] <daey_> what kind of tool does one use for the welding?
[19:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> The one I recall seeing on an image was two heated wheels on a U frame which ran on either side of the two shhets
[19:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Heating the pair up and squashing the two layers together
[19:35] <daey_> yeah thats what i thought :(
[19:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> There was also a platform to run the sheets across to keep it smooth and even
[19:36] <daey_> ok. i dont have room for a balloon factory :D
[19:37] <daey_> i was hoping they are glued
[19:37] <daey_> but the weight and temperature and elasticity is likely a problem
[19:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> No we!d the polythene layer together like a heat sealed bag
[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes you then pre-stress the balloon by pumping air in to a similar sort of pressure it will experience in the air
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Pre stretching it and also identifying any leaks I guess!
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[19:45] <ko6yq> I just tweeted for @K6RPT that it's the 5th anniversary of CNSP-11, the 1st transoceanic Ham Radio balloon. It was launched Dec 11, 2011 from San Jose, CA as an experiment to precisely fill a latex balloon to get it to float rather than burst. The goal was Colorado. It got to Spain. https://twitter.com/K6RPT/status/808027800619728896
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[20:51] <wolf> Hi all, Just to update for Aether (im Ryan by the way) (i know oli was messsaging earler) we had another falure where we where not transmitting atall so we are going with another habduino which is being lent to us by Chris Hilcox
[20:53] <wolf> so all else being well we are still planning to launch at 11am tomorrow :)
[20:53] <daveake> You need to prove that your receiving kit is working (which seems not to be the case so far)
[20:54] <wolf> this is true but we have used the same kit to pick up signels on this frequncy before?
[20:54] <daveake> pick up, or decode ?
[20:55] <wolf> pick up and decode short range, just pick up over a distance of 30km (s/n ~ 13db)
[20:56] <daveake> ok. I ask because it wasn't reliably decoding your tracker earlier.
[20:56] <daveake> and if it can't do that in the same room, there's no chance of it working at distance.
[20:57] <mfa298> also make sure the habduino you've been lent is working. I think the flight doc for that was also untested
[20:57] <wolf> Hmm we do have a back up SMS GPS tracker on board.
[20:57] <wolf> hmm ok
[20:58] <daveake> yeah don't rely on that
[20:58] <wolf> yeah i have read a lot of stories online about them not being completly reliable
[20:58] <mfa298> you ought to be checking the habdunio anyway. always make sure you're appearing on the map before launching.
[20:59] <mfa298> it's a bit late to fix things after you let go
[20:59] <wolf> haha true we will do. I know chris has done a lot launches before so we are very lucky to have him on the launch site!
[21:01] <wolf> we will check everything before we start filling with helium :)
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[21:07] <Ian_> That will be pushing the clock of course and then the corner cutting will continue prior to the fail.
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[21:10] <gurlavie_> Hi, I am trying to sync my LORA on PITS and on the GATEWAY. clearly not doing it right.
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[21:26] <daveake> go on
[21:29] <gurlavie_> I guess I am not sure if I set the parameters in the gateway right for CE1
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[21:29] <gurlavie_> Originally I commented all parameters, including the spread factor
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[21:31] <gurlavie_> ok. I think I got it working :)
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[21:32] <gurlavie_> So couple of questions,
[21:34] <daveake> as per the manual, you *only* need to set freq and mode
[21:34] <gurlavie_> being at home, I see Packet SNR 3, RSSI -100
[21:34] <daveake> well, callsign too ofc
[21:34] <gurlavie_> (yes, got it, I can't get used to do exactly what I should...)
[21:35] <gurlavie_> hows these values, I mean, I expected better in such a short distance , no ?
[21:36] <daveake> missing aerial(s) ?
[21:36] <gurlavie_> where can I see the ssdv's, if I didn't set a payload document in Habitat ?
[21:36] <daveake> you've never needed a payload doc for ssdv, on rtty or lora
[21:37] <daveake> so it'll go to the ssdv page regardless
[21:38] <daveake> if you want to see ssdv locally, install the ssdv s/w
[21:38] <daveake> on the gateway, using the instructions on the pits page
[21:41] <gurlavie_> thanks !
[21:41] <gurlavie_> I did install the SSDV software. Actually my gateway is fully configured with the PITS instruction (except the tracker install)
[21:42] <daveake> Fine. Then the jpg files will be in the folder you configured using the ssdv= line
[21:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HILCOX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HILCOX
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[21:53] <gurlavie_> Dave, I am sorry, but in the PISKY file, I do need to un-comment all the CE1 lines right ?
[22:03] <daveake> They're already commented out in the default file
[22:03] <daveake> *all* you need to uncomment and set are the callsign, frequency and mode
[22:03] <daey_> he wants to uncomment them
[22:04] <daveake> yes and he shouldn't
[22:05] <daveake> From the manual:
[22:05] <daveake> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZVyd6wSx/
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[22:15] <gurlavie_> works nicely now. Very fast. Amazing.
[22:17] <gurlavie_> So I added the 434 HABAMP feeding to the Lora Gateway. I see now RSSI -25 and SNR 6. Hows these values, considering I am seating 3 meters from the tracker ?
[22:21] <Darkside> lol
[22:21] <Darkside> thats fine
[22:21] <Darkside> have a go moving the payload further away
[22:22] <Darkside> naube go for a walk with it
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[22:22] <Darkside> see how far it goes on thr ground
[22:22] <Darkside> will be << than what you will achieve with it in thr air
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[22:28] <bertrik> gurlavie_: RSSI can go down to -120 dB and SNR down to -18 dB for SF12 or so
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[22:30] <gurlavie_> ok, great. Found the LORA gateway great for evaluating the antennas, have here 3 different types and you see the differences very clearly.
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[22:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-1d - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-1d
[22:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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