highaltitude.log.20161210

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[00:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[00:12] <Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/isotrumpp
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[00:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[08:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-THOR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
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[10:24] <RYDE> Hello, we are currently setting up for launch at ~13:30
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[10:36] <PE2BZ> RYDE tnx for info. Have a good flight !
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9MDD-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9MDD-1
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[12:26] <PE1BIA> what is the situation about ryde
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[12:30] <craag> Their rx station came online a couple of hours ago, so looks like they might be prepping
[12:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RYDE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RYDE
[12:32] <craag> speaking of :)
[12:33] <craag> Doesn't look like a great prediction..
[12:33] <mfa298> ~10:24 < RYDE> Hello, we are currently setting up for launch at ~13:30
[12:33] <craag> Ah missed that
[12:33] <mfa298> so hopefully launch in about an hour
[12:33] <craag> I should throw an antenna outside
[12:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[12:34] <craag> I bet ASTRA could pick it up now actually
[12:34] <mfa298> I woudln't be surprised.
[12:35] <mfa298> I ought to have a go, although I think Ryde is the wrong end of the island as far as im concerned
[12:40] <RYDE> We are now transmitting but still on the ground, might go on and off over the next hour until we launch
[12:40] <craag> :) Good luck!
[12:42] <pb0ahx> RYDE, good luck and a good flight
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[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Think I can see them on the w/f here for me centred on 434.247 but not decodable yet
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> if it is them then the shift is more like 600Hz.
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[13:08] <pb0ahx> i think 800hz
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its dropped off the w/f for me at present, so may not have been them, or maybe its just been moved about...
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[13:27] <RocketBoy> their off
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> humm nothng on w/f at present should almost be los as well
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they have no update either ?
[13:30] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon all
[13:30] <PE2BZ> Is RYDE intended as floater or will it burst ?
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its a pico so could float
[13:31] <PE2BZ> Thanks Geoff. Now lets have some updates....
[13:31] <Ian_> Ominous . . . two fixes and then nothing from RYDE. I wonder what their reporting rate is? Maybe not often if it's intended to be a floater
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> nothing on my w/f and its LOS to them, no update from them either....
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> it was every 10-15 seconds
[13:32] <Ian_> RSMA connector check !
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> bit late now!
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ah back at ground level again
[13:33] <Ian_> I think from the rules explained yesterday, they only need one fix to qualify :)
[13:34] <Ian_> Working
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> premature lift-off I think ;-)
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Underground launch now ;-)
[13:36] <Ian_> That's a different interpretation of things - parachute at launch. Glitch I guess
[13:40] <Ian_> I suspect that I have an excess of imagination today - so no change there!
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[13:51] <pb0ahx> he is going up in japan hihihi
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Perhaps its a lead balloon!
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[13:54] <pb0ahx> let we hope al is ok
[13:55] <Geof-G8DHE> ? this time ?
[13:55] <Geof-G8DHE> must be lead
[13:56] <Geof-G8DHE> Don't think I've ever seen a -ve altitude before
[13:58] Nick change: Geof-G8DHE -> Geoff-G8DHE
[14:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STABILOTRON-II - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
[14:03] <Ian_> I certainly hope that there is less precipitation there than there is here at the moment.
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Dry here, very thick cloud however
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> rain due any time from the sw so they need to fly soon
[14:09] <mfa298> dark and grey here, but still dry
[14:13] <pb0ahx> really foggy here but dry
[14:14] <RYDE> Launching now
[14:15] <pb0ahx> gl
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[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mumm they haven't stuck in the trees have they ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/RYDE_20161210/index.php?ind=3
[14:24] <RocketBoy> could be
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[14:39] <RYDE> failiure im afraid
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Treed ?
[14:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5MG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MG-11
[14:54] <RYDE> yep caught in a downdraft
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[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> seemed very slow climbing across the field :-( http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/RYDE_20161210/RYDE_201612101422.jpg
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[15:08] Action: Laurenceb_ is thinking of running a cutdown off the main batteries
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> bad idea?
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> even if I stick some supercaps in there
[15:09] <RocketBoy> nichrome?
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> well 1 x resistor cutdown and 1 x rocket igniter
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> I'd be worried about shorting killing the main supply, so was thinking
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> batteries -> polyfuse -> supercaps -> cutdowns
[15:10] <RocketBoy> Good rocketry igniters can be fired from a small CAP - 1000uF for N28Bs
[15:11] <RocketBoy> I use a diode pump from a couple of pins to boots 3.3V up to 12 for the cap
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> I have advocated in the past ceramic resistors which nominally operate at 350C on 1/2W and a simple film round them
[15:11] <Laurenceb_> whats the diameter of an N28B ?
[15:12] <RocketBoy> resistors usually take a wile (secs) to cut through
[15:12] <RocketBoy> about 4mm
[15:12] <Laurenceb_> ah
[15:12] <Laurenceb_> I have 3mm throat on a Klima motor
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> I have some Cesaroni igniters that light off 1F, 2.5v
[15:13] <RocketBoy> hang on Ill measure one
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> but the stock Klima igniters have a bit more oomph
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[15:14] <Laurenceb_> looks like supercaps are lighter than equivalent AA/AAA as far as peak power goes
[15:16] <RocketBoy> 3.3mm
[15:17] <RocketBoy> yeah - how are supercaps affected by temperature
[15:17] <Laurenceb_> good question
[15:18] <Laurenceb_> I guess I should try this in spice - see how bad the voltage drop on the main cells is when/if the igniter shorts
[15:18] <Laurenceb_> I've trying to get the whole payload to <450grams, so weight is limited
[15:18] <RocketBoy> supercaps have improved their ESR over the years - but not sure at low temp
[15:18] <pb0ahx> !flights
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03RYDE 10(d4eb), 03UBSEDS21 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(2e88), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[15:19] <Laurenceb_> RocketBoy: you might be interested in this
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> I came up with a simpler spin stabilised rocket design
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/ot5VBp.png
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> a set of vanes that glues onto the bottom of the rocket
[15:20] <RocketBoy> you might be better to run the micro from the supercaps while shorting out the bats with the resistor
[15:20] <RocketBoy> cant fins
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> ah yeah, good idea
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[15:21] <RocketBoy> well its been around a while
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[15:21] <Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/Xii8Qc.png
[15:21] <Laurenceb_> then splits into two halves and rips off
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> - couple of M3 nuts with wire soldered between
[15:22] <Laurenceb_> I'm planning to test this soonish (when I have more free time)
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> simulation says it works v well, <10degree pointing error
[15:23] <RocketBoy> thats an interesting idea
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[15:24] <Laurenceb_> main worry atm is that it will ablate too fast, planning on laser sintered nylon
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> but theres tons of ways to improve it if it does, e.g. just coating in polyurethane floor varnish would help a lot
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> it only have to survive ~150ms
[15:25] <Laurenceb_> prototype will be D motor launched out of 22mm plumbing tube
[15:27] <RocketBoy> humm Ds are 1 IIRC
[15:28] <RocketBoy> might be a tight fit
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> Klima D, 17.8mm
[15:28] <RocketBoy> ah
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> yeah theres a couple of shaped sabot pieces made from Nylon at the sides
[15:29] <Laurenceb_> 22mm tube is 20.20mm ID
[15:29] <Laurenceb_> its very high quality, I was surprised, would cost much more for similar grade tube from engineering supplier
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> 3d printing is awesome
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> used right
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> yes, FDM is pretty awful
[15:31] <Laurenceb_> laser sintering is amazing, and resin bath looks nice but is mechanically dreadful
[15:32] <Laurenceb_> I melted some resin parts at work last week trying to clean the nasty carcinogenic residue off using hot water
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> FDM is FDM - used appropriately, it can work just fine. expecting it to work like solid engineering plastic - well - no.
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[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AC6MH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AC6MH-11
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K4UAH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-11
[16:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K4UAH-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-10
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[17:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK4KIV_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK4KIV_chase
[17:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK4VSS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK4VSS_chase
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4OSN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4OSN_chase
[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K4UAH-8_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K4UAH-8_chase
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[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mom's car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mom's%20car_chase
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> ur mum
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[20:47] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[20:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5YAM-1 after 0314 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-1
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[20:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[21:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NERDLO after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDLO
[21:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5YAM-2 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-2
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[21:53] <AetherOli> Hi, I've been trying to make a checksum for HABHUB's payload submission but it keeps saying the checksum has the wrong length.. Any advice?
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[21:58] <nick_> AetherOli: try your code on a known good payload and compare the value you get to the good one.
[22:01] <AetherOli> Ah good idea nick_ , I'll try the examples on the UKHAS protocol page first
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[22:27] <AetherOli> Not getting the same checksum for the examples either using the example code.. hmm
[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Which checksum type are you using ?
[22:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> CRC16_CCITT is the preffered these days
[22:37] <AetherOli> Yep, I've been trying CRC16_CCITT
[22:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you been using this page https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
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[22:39] <AetherOli> Yes, I've tried to follow the example on there and input the example string provided but not getting the same checksum
[22:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your not including the leading $$ or trailing * are you ?
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[22:42] <AetherOli> I'm ignoring the * but from the example code it looks like it automatically skips past the two dollar signs. The function returns me several numbers rather than numbers and letters
[22:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Should be 4 digits in Hex
[22:45] <AetherOli> oh hex! I didn't think of that haha
[22:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> "*%04X\n"
[22:46] <AetherOli> It makes sense now, 42 decimal is 2A in hex
[22:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[22:46] <AetherOli> In the example they have 002A are the leading zeros important?
[22:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> YES
[22:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> always 4 digits
[22:47] <AetherOli> Geoff thank you very much! :)
[22:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and leave enough strg length for the terminators
[22:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> always helps to discuss! hence why weuse IRC so much!
[22:50] <AetherOli> It's a great community
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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