highaltitude.log.20161209

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[00:10] <Laurenceb_> lu wtf Theresa May
[00:10] <Laurenceb_> why has she got a huge chain round her neck
[00:11] <Laurenceb_> looks like some freaky business tbh
[00:20] <SpeedEvil> Mr T.
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[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[02:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[02:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[03:25] <Ian_> Crazy engineers from Israel - 300 rigid balloons . . . obviously not political science graduates then?
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[07:23] <CPS> hello
[07:23] <CPS> I am in secondary school and we are launching a space baloon today
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[07:24] <CPS> it is part of a comptition but it is only qualifying if it shows on habhub
[07:26] <CPS> my habhub form is not approved but will it show on habhub tracker
[07:26] <number10> you will have to get the flight approved at #habhub
[07:26] <CPS> how?
[07:27] <number10> ask them if they are awake
[07:27] <CPS> oh on an irc channel
[07:27] <number10> yes #habhub
[07:27] <CPS> thank you very much :)
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[07:31] Action: nick_ wonders how often people say things like "ask on #somechan" and people fire off a tweet
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[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[08:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> ha, one last packet from ubseeds just before it goes into the night :)
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[09:15] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: yea, will stick with boring ADSL to start with - and then possibly investigate the costs of a leased line and if other tenants in the property want to go in on it
[09:15] <AndyEsser> (or convince the council to pay for it )
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[10:06] <Calthorpe> hello has anyone got a reciver that can track a habduino
[10:06] <Calthorpe> we would like to launch today
[10:07] <mfa298> I refer you to the long conversation you just had on #habhub
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[10:08] <AndyEsser> bye then
[10:08] <Upu> Calthorpe: there is nothing stopping you launching today but with the current prediction landing in the centre of London we are very strongly advising you not to launch
[10:08] <StuartL2> Hah, what happened on #habhub?
[10:08] <Upu> jeez
[10:08] <Upu> "hello we are launching please track our payload which we have no idea if it works or not"
[10:09] <StuartL2> :D
[10:09] <AndyEsser> "We don't care it's flying over Heathrow and landing in London"
[10:09] Nick change: StuartL2 -> StuartL
[10:09] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=164dd3d8767fc5bb4b697ef3623774faae744b42
[10:10] <Upu> 100g Latex with at least 125g of payload
[10:15] <StuartL> I have no frame of reference for this, I'm completely new to HAB.
[10:16] <StuartL> I presume that that's massively overweighted, it feels like the payload is way too heavy.
[10:16] <Upu> Well no its fine but its just if it bursts early its landing on center of London
[10:16] <Upu> as a rule of thumb avoid any predictions that fly inside the M25 circle
[10:17] <StuartL> Seems reasonable :)
[10:17] <StuartL> What kind of balloon/bouyancy/payload ratios are considered safe?
[10:17] <AndyEsser> as a rule of thumb avoid anything inside the M25 circle :)
[10:19] <gonzo_> especially any that may be going through airspace as busy as Heathrow
[10:22] <Upu> Well keep it below 1kg and use the burst calculator and predictor to check its a safe flight path
[10:22] <pb0ahx> GM all
[10:22] <Upu> but 5m/s is generally considered normal and usually ends up in a burst
[10:22] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[10:22] <Upu> morning pb0ahx
[10:23] <Upu> lower ascent rates may result in floats
[10:23] <Upu> But in short if most of the people on here are telling you not to launch then don't
[10:24] <StuartL> :D
[10:24] <gonzo_> StuartL, outside of the super busy airspace around major airports, the risk to aircraft is low. The other risk is when the balloon bursts and the payload lands. Even if it is built so as to have a soft landing, it could drop on a road and cause a driver to panic. In most of the country, there is a lot of open space, but in London, it's all pretty tightly packed and the chance of landing on a road is much higher.
[10:24] <AndyEsser> especially if the concerns are founded in "Danger Will Robinson" territory, and not just "You'll lose your payload" territory
[10:24] <Upu> Predictor http://predict.habhub.org/
[10:24] <Upu> Burst calc http://habhub.org/calc/
[10:25] <StuartL> Thanks!
[10:26] <gonzo_> Additionally, landing on a roof/power line could incur charges from the owners. And there is much more probability of this in London. Think what a company could claim from you if they had to call in airconditioning people and they found a lump of electronics with your school name on, blocking an AC fan
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[10:35] Topic changed on #highaltitude by Upu!sid143953@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwhdrohzppcxikfs: Welcome to #highaltitude - Habhub services down time weekend 07/01/17 - Further details on mailing list
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[10:36] <jarod> oh noes :)
[10:39] <AndyEsser> disgraceful we don't have failover DC's for this :P
[10:41] <x-f> fsphil linked a youtube video where some guys moved a server from one DC to another without shutting it down, it even had a 3G internet
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[10:41] <x-f> they used public transport as well
[10:41] <Upu> lol
[10:41] <Upu> yeah thats not happening :)
[10:42] <AndyEsser> use a HAB to move it across :P
[10:44] <fsphil> yeah 3G in the north of england, that's like sci-fi
[10:44] <AndyEsser> oi
[10:44] <AndyEsser> we're not that bad
[10:44] <AndyEsser> Country Bumpkin
[10:46] <Upu> 20 minute drive from current DC to new one
[10:46] <AndyEsser> assuming no traffic :P
[10:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> fsphil: hehe, in a world where 4G been around for 6 years :)
[10:47] <Upu> I'm assuming traffic :)
[10:47] <fsphil> *in a world* </trailer voice>
[10:47] <AndyEsser> One MAn
[10:47] <AndyEsser> One Server
[10:47] <AndyEsser> Downtime Is NOT an Option
[10:47] <fsphil> Speed 3: Server Move
[10:47] <AndyEsser> hehe
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[10:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> HaaS
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI9TSS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI9TSS
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RYDE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RYDE
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:54] <CPS> hello i am using an ap510 to track with aprs droid on phone
[11:54] <CPS> but it was tracking the phone not the aprs
[11:56] <CPS> so we are looking for a baloon with neon yellow payload
[11:56] <CPS> on red baloon
[11:57] <fsphil> where did you launch this from?
[11:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> what call does it have, is it on www.aprs.fi ?
[12:02] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: further to discussion last night
[12:02] <AndyEsser> found out that Bangor Uni has a 4Gig leased line
[12:03] <AndyEsser> and two spare directional wifi bridge antennas...
[12:03] <AndyEsser> and I know someone who works for the operations team
[12:03] <AndyEsser> although he says the wifi should already reach the office :P
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[12:33] <gurlavie_> Hi, any habduino expert here ?
[12:37] <edmoore> gurlavie_: don't find a victim on irc
[12:37] <edmoore> just ask the question
[12:38] <edmoore> if someone can answer then they will
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[12:39] <gurlavie_> I am trying to decode the RTTY from HABduino. Wonder what is the proper deciding config in fldigi.
[12:40] <daveake> 50 7 N 2 iirc
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[12:40] <daveake> Probably it's in the documentation
[12:40] <daveake> Definitely it'll be in the source code
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[12:45] <gurlavie_> Thanks David.
[12:46] <Vaizki> and USB demodulation
[12:47] <gurlavie_> Sure.
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[12:50] <gurlavie_> The kids are working on receiving the payload https://imgur.com/gallery/EnpxP
[12:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[13:08] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, directional wifi bridges are <100gbp a pair anyway
[13:09] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: it was more the fact I know someone on the infrastructure team that might accidentally point one in our direction ;)
[13:09] <Vaizki> Ubiquiti litebeam m5 or mikrotik LHG
[13:09] <Vaizki> yea
[13:10] <gurlavie_> PITS - if I only connect LORA board. I won't have GPS ?
[13:12] <daveake> It's hard to have GPS without GPS
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[13:16] <gurlavie_> Indeed. So I have to add the RTTY board. So this would be the minimum configuration ?
[13:19] <StuartL> Doesn't PITS have GPS on-board?
[13:19] <StuartL> Or am I missing something important (n00b alert)
[13:19] <daveake> He's asking about not using PITS
[13:20] <daveake> For a tracker, you can have PITS on its own, or add the LoRa and/or APRS boards. Without PITS you can use the LoRa or APRS boards on their own, but you'd need to add a UBlox GPS board or USB, and configure the s/w accordingly. You'd lose the PSU too so you'd need to sort out your own 5V supply.
[13:20] <StuartL> Sounds like a bunch of hassle if the solution is already there...
[13:21] <daveake> it does
[13:26] <gurlavie_> Guys. My mistake. I didn't think nor explained correctly. I was trying to ask -my PITS is doing RTTY with MTX433, I want to add LORA board. Would you suggest turning off the RTTY in the config?
[13:28] <daveake> Completely up to you if you want to use both or not
[13:29] <StuartL> Is there a disadvantage to running both? Battery life?
[13:32] <gurlavie_> Interference ?
[13:32] <Upu> minimal impact for both
[13:33] <Upu> you can't only connect lora as the MTX2 is on the PITS main board
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-THOR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
[14:02] <gurlavie_> Thanks. Clear.
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[17:00] <gurlavie_> Hi, when connected to the RPI with hdmi, it keeps showing the images it grabs on the monitor. I don't remember it behaving like this last time we ran it. Is this expected?
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[17:19] <daveake> That's normal raspistill operation
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[17:34] <CPS> hi
[17:34] <CPS> fuck
[17:34] <CPS> is anyone here
[17:35] <CPS> FUCK
[17:35] <adamgreig> please watch your language
[17:35] <CPS> ok sure
[17:36] <CPS> will you mary me
[17:44] <CPS> i have good sex
[17:44] <CPS> will u mary me
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[17:45] <fsphil> there are some odd people in the world
[17:45] <adamgreig> kids eh
[17:45] <daveake> Just checking on zeusbot ... CPS was on this morning about tracking a balloon with APRS ?
[17:45] <daveake> and this from a UK (London) IP address ?
[17:45] <adamgreig> yea, school launch
[17:45] <adamgreig> not the same IP as the other school, shrug
[17:47] <Ian_> Kids representing Calthorpe Park School I believe . . . see English teacher 'Baloon'; see Science teacher 'Space Baloon'; see headmaster '<bad language>'
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[17:48] <daveake> Does anyone know if the APRS thing was someone getting confused, or someone actually flew APRS in the UK tut tut ?
[17:49] <fsphil> wouldn't surprise me
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS21 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
[17:55] <fsphil> ooh
[17:56] <mfa298> s representing Calthorpe Park School I believe . . . see English teacher 'Baloon'; see Science teacher 'Space Baloon'; see headmaster '<bad language>'
[17:56] <mfa298> sorry, must remember mouse buttons paste text when in putty
[17:56] <adamgreig> could have been worse
[17:56] <fsphil> hah
[17:57] <fsphil> I've got a habit of selecting text as I read it. makes using putty more interesting
[17:57] <mfa298> slightly better than typing hunter2 into irc.
[17:57] <fsphil> haven't needed to use it in a while actually, windows use at work is going down
[17:58] <adamgreig> typing *******? all I see is *******
[17:58] <mfa298> fsphil: thats the problem I have, and then hitting the right button by mistake
[17:59] <fsphil> I don't do the select thing as much now. some website are really annoying when you select text
[18:01] <mfa298> I've not had so many issues selecting text on websites. although one annoyed by by hijacking ctrl-f for it's search function so I couldn't search for text on the page
[18:11] Nick change: uwe__ -> uwe_
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[18:12] <lrc> that kid CPS]
[18:13] <lrc> he is not the same kid cause the ip is in farnham
[18:13] <lrc> maybe a prank
[18:13] <lrc> aprs
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[18:14] <adamgreig> haha amazing, he knows he just connected from the same IP as when he was CPS, right?
[18:16] <mattbrejza> the school is pretty near farnham anyway.. :/
[18:17] <lz1dev> should've direct him to message some APRS people :)
[18:25] <daveake> so much fail
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[18:53] <mfa298> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38225274
[18:54] <mfa298> that feels somewhat familiar, although in country lanes not busy car parks
[18:55] <cm13g09> mfa298: welcome back
[18:55] <cm13g09> (ref your earlier PM)
[18:55] <lz1dev> using contactless instead of a phone
[18:56] <lz1dev> thats one thing ill never understand
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[20:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI9TSS after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI9TSS
[20:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ7FJB-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7FJB-2
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[20:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5YAM-2 after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-2
[20:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0307490709537_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=07490709537_chase
[20:59] <lz1dev> ^ lul
[20:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0307875306522_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=07875306522_chase
[21:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DJ9VF - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DJ9VF
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[22:33] <sozz> u r all muggles
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[22:51] <fsphil> aww
[22:55] <daveake> past his bedtime
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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