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[09:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:19] <AndyEsser> ping Upu
[10:20] <Upu> hey Andy
[10:21] <AndyEsser> unrelated to HAB - but hoping you can help
[10:21] <AndyEsser> recommendations for a Cisco Small Business Router?
[10:21] <AndyEsser> 4 10/100 ports minimum, no integrated Wifi, VDSL support and PPPoE support
[10:22] <Upu> Not sure about Cisco we don't use them but I would probably look at the Draytek for that
[10:22] <AndyEsser> hmm fair enough
[10:22] <AndyEsser> kind of lost interest in drayteks
[10:22] <AndyEsser> always been good routers, but a bit... iffy at times
[10:22] <AndyEsser> but that may just be personal bad luck with them
[10:24] <Upu> yeah I'm not a fan
[10:24] <Upu> the UI is crap
[10:24] <Upu> but the have all the things in them at a reasonable cost
[10:24] <AndyEsser> yea, the UI was also a bug bear for me - but thought I'd get shouted out if I said that ;)
[10:24] <mfa298> AndyEsser: for the small options you probably want something in the 8x7 range (877 mgiht be the first with ADSL2)
[10:25] <mfa298> or something a bit bigger with something like the hwic-adsl module.
[10:25] <AndyEsser> oo cheers
[10:25] <mfa298> I'm not sure what the 8x7 range is like for PPPoE, I'd assume it's probably got the client.
[10:26] <mfa298> cm13g09 might have other ideas if he's looking at IRC rather than more interesting things.
[10:27] <AndyEsser> I did have my eye on a particular router last year (year before maybe) but for the life of me can't remember what it was
[10:27] <AndyEsser> 880 ISR
[10:27] <AndyEsser> looking at my twitter history with Plusnet
[10:29] <mfa298> that looks like the newer version of the 877 (I think that was the last one of that range I looked at).
[10:29] <mfa298> from memory the last digit indicates if it's isdn/adsl/...
[10:30] <AndyEsser> will just use the one plusnet gives me when it's installed, and then go from there
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[10:30] <AndyEsser> although apparently fibre isn't available in the centre of Bangor :(
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[10:35] <gonzo_> it'smprobably the devil's work
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[10:47] <mattbrejza> we were using a cisco 877 as a home router for a while...
[10:47] <mattbrejza> it was much more stable than the isp supplied rotuer, however it took about 6 months for us to get it set up
[10:47] <russss> hah
[10:47] <russss> I used to have one of those
[10:47] <russss> but it didn't support VDSL2
[10:48] <mattbrejza> we found vpn connections from your pc couldnt get through to the remote server (which might be what youre saying)
[10:48] <russss> if you were using IPSEC then there's a thing you have to configure, which I forgot
[10:48] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: yea, the stability - and VLAN support is what I'm looking for tbh
[10:49] <russss> VDSL2 is FTTC
[10:49] <AndyEsser> VDSL2 does away with needing the separate modem doesn't it? Otherwise you just use PPPoE with the BT Fibre modem?
[10:49] <mattbrejza> oh never mind then
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[10:50] <fsphil> can you still get the bt vdsl2 modem?
[10:50] <fsphil> they don't provide one with installs anymore
[10:50] <AndyEsser> do they not?!
[10:50] <russss> yeah, that's no longer provided
[10:50] <russss> AndyEsser: I'd recommend the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X, but it doesn't have built-in ADSL, you need a separate modem.
[10:51] <AndyEsser> every FTTC I've had for the last 4-5 years has been a BT modem, and then a Plusnet router
[10:51] <AndyEsser> russss: cheers
[10:51] <russss> if you want a Cisco router the problem is that the RRP for those small ciscos is extortionate unless you have a good relationship with a distributor
[10:51] <AndyEsser> was going to go down the Ubiquiti route for Wireless point
[10:51] <AndyEsser> points*
[10:51] <gonzo_> my first fttc, the isp sent a router in the post and the openwreach guy brought the modem
[10:51] <fsphil> I love my ubnt ap
[10:51] <fsphil> running 2 months and not a single glitch
[10:51] <gonzo_> this time I got an integrated modem/router
[10:51] <cm13g09> mfa298: thanks for tagging me in
[10:51] <russss> gonzo_: yeah, that's how it used to work. Now the ISP has to provide the modem.
[10:52] <AndyEsser> BT cost cutting again?
[10:52] <russss> I think they reduced the wholesale installation fee
[10:52] <fsphil> unless you're with arnold+arnold, they just leave you to do it all :)
[10:52] <gonzo_> or fttc routers not avail in time?
[10:52] <russss> yeah, the availability in routers was limited at the time iirc
[10:52] <cm13g09> It may be a lol-spensive route for you guys
[10:52] <gonzo_> I GOT IT ALL FOR FREE BECAUSE EE f'ed up the order.... again
[10:53] <russss> this is also nice if you want something more server-like. https://omnia.turris.cz/en/
[10:53] <gonzo_> shhh
[10:53] <cm13g09> however, the only thing I've seen is 1921s with the right WICs
[10:53] <cm13g09> and that's VERY expensive
[10:53] <fsphil> my router is a virtual machine. not sure that's a great idea tbh
[10:54] <gonzo_> I used to run the linux server as the router/fw, but not recently
[10:54] <AndyEsser> I'll stick with the provided one for now, and then see next year
[10:54] <AndyEsser> I'd like the ability to have VLANs and then run QoS on those so that I can simulate bad links etc for testing some equipment/code
[10:54] <fsphil> it's nice having a simple iptables list
[10:54] <russss> yes
[10:55] <russss> the EdgeRouter X does run Linux but unfortunately it uses the Vyatta config system which is somewhat baroque
[10:55] <gonzo_> I had server issues, turned out to be HW, but it meant that I lost all network when it crached
[10:56] <fsphil> any good small machines with >= 3 ethernet ports out atm? I had an old soekris but it's a little underpowered for vdsl
[10:56] <cm13g09> fsphil: PC Engines APU
[10:56] <russss> fsphil: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/
[10:56] <cm13g09> or russss' option
[10:56] <fsphil> can I put debian on it?
[10:56] <mfa298> some of the earlier cisco 800's were limited on what vlans you could have. Not sure what the newer oens are like.
[10:57] <russss> fsphil: yup
[10:57] <cm13g09> fsphil: PC Engines, definitely
[10:57] <fsphil> nice, thanks both. will take a look
[10:57] <russss> the Turris Omnia supports virtualisation so you can use it as a small server
[10:58] <cm13g09> mfa298: you have PM
[10:58] <russss> also has some hackable bits
[10:58] <mfa298> fsphil: I think banana Pi have a 4 ethernet port option, although I'm not sure what OS support is like (mostly whether you want to trust it)
[10:59] <russss> it's made by the .cz domain registrar, oddly.
[10:59] <zyp> I like the edgerouters
[11:02] <zyp> they are both fast and fairly cheap, and little hassle
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[11:05] <gonzo_> pjm runs a Bpi, he may have an opinion
[11:05] <gonzo_> I recall that they have real HW on the boards, rather than everything over onboard usb nastyness
[11:06] <mfa298> I only looked at the BPi original OSes which looked to be taking raspbian hacking it about and doing nasties to it.
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:07] <mfa298> I think their 4 port option has a Soc with single GigE and a GigE switch IC (similar to a lot of the cheaper rotuers - like tplink)
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[11:14] <Upu> Oh yes second russss on the Edgerouters they are pretty good
[11:29] <Bash_> Guys, what's the best online forum to ask questions ?
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If you mean HAB questions then here or on the mailing list
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[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RYDE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RYDE
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[12:21] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
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[12:40] <Bash_> Geoff, thanks, posted there !
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[13:19] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[13:47] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[13:47] <AndyEsser> "The line connects direct to the Exchange, rather than via a Cabinet. Unfortunately FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet) requires a Cabinet to be enabled, so Fibre is not available at your property"
[13:48] <AndyEsser> like... I get how it sounds not having a cab, and wanting FTTC - but surely connected direct to the Exchange is... better?
[13:48] <fsphil> FTTE
[13:48] <fsphil> how far is it?
[13:50] <AndyEsser> I don't know - will look at an exchange map shortly
[13:50] <AndyEsser> I might speak to the other business in the building about sharing costs of a Leased Line then
[13:50] <AndyEsser> if it's that's close to the Exchange, the run can't be that long
[13:51] <AndyEsser> o ffs
[13:51] <AndyEsser> it's like 700 metres away
[13:51] <mattbrejza> pretty close then
[13:51] <mattbrejza> ADSL2+ should provide most of its speed
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[13:52] <craag> the disadvantage there is it's often difficult for them to upgrade the kit in the exchange
[13:52] <craag> more difficult than a nice spacious cabinet
[13:52] <AndyEsser> err... 200m straight along the A5
[13:53] <craag> we've got a 5km line to the exchange here, and are stuck on ADSL1, the exchange doesn't have space for ADSL2 kit..
[13:53] <AndyEsser> the exchange has FTTC, ADSL, LLU and 21CN
[13:53] <AndyEsser> but not SDSL
[13:55] <gonzo_> if you go into mid wales, it gets worse. John reconed he would get ~100kbps adsl
[13:55] <mfa298> looking at the various broadband companies SDSL mostly seems to be we'll cap your download to match the upload and charge you extra for the privilege
[13:56] <gonzo_> the local exchange only has 2Mb to it
[13:56] <gonzo_> sdsl? Satellite?
[13:56] <mfa298> company / modem that supports Annex-M might be worth looking at if you want a bit more upload.
[13:57] <mfa298> syncronous dsl where upload==download speed
[13:57] <mfa298> s/syncronous/symetric/
[13:58] <gonzo_> on fibre, I get better upstream than I got on asdl downstream
[13:58] <gonzo_> I can see the cab from here (well, there)
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[14:17] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: yea, I appreciate it gets worse
[14:17] <Kodar> need RS41 wx sonde data connector pinout
[14:17] <AndyEsser> it's just annoying that an exchange doesn't count as a cabinet for FTTC
[14:19] <Luppe> hilight RS41
[14:20] <Luppe> I'm working at Vaisala and may be able to assist you
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[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPACE2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPACE2
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[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPACE1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPACE1
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[14:29] <Luppe> Kodar: so are you looking for the pin layout, ie. which pin is ground, which pins are reserved for serial data etc. ?
[14:30] <Vostok> Luppe: onks sulla nimeƤ?-)
[14:32] <Luppe> :D
[14:32] <Luppe> busted
[14:32] <Luppe> onhan mulla
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[14:39] <Luppe> Kodar: try this http://www.vaisala.com/Vaisala%20Documents/User%20Guides%20and%20Quick%20Ref%20Guides/Ozone%20Sounding%20with%20Vaisala%20Radiosonde%20RS41%20User's%20Guide%20M211486EN-B.pdf
[14:40] <Luppe> page 24 should have what you're looking for
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[15:08] <Kodar> <Luppe> yes, data, this, that, ...
[15:10] <Kodar> Tom is not here, he knows
[15:12] <Luppe> cryptic
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[15:21] <Kodar> ah, yes, connector on page 24(26) but I think what I need are pins 4-10 :(
[15:21] <Luppe> hmm
[15:23] <Luppe> pin 5 is supply voltage input
[15:23] <Luppe> +3.7 V, max 50 mA
[15:23] <Luppe> that's all I know :D
[15:30] <Kodar> ok, hm, new guy with rtty and rs41
[15:30] <Kodar> https://youtu.be/7AVT7TkdyFY
[15:31] <Luppe> cool
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[16:29] <Vaizki> AndyEsser: sounds like your best bet is just a normal adsl, max 24/1.. distance is too much for vdsl and sdsl while symmetric is just so lame at 2/2 or something
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[17:39] <PE2BZ> Good evening
[17:40] <PE2BZ> Tonight NASA plans a balloon launch up to 40 km with infrared measurement.
[17:40] <PE2BZ> Live stream is at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-csbf-ldsd
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[18:14] <jarod> cool :D
[18:15] <jarod> PE2BZ launch time?
[18:15] <PE2BZ> https://www.sron.nl/news/4660-poolballon-sto2-met-nederlandse-instrumenten-naar-ruimterand
[18:16] <PE2BZ> the second part is the english text
[18:16] <jarod> i can read Dutch :O)
[18:16] <PE2BZ> launch should be between 19:00 local time in Holland and 22:00
[18:16] <jarod> So now then :0
[18:17] <PE2BZ> If weather is not good they should be trying again tomorrow
[18:17] <PE2BZ> jarod we kijken ineens de andere kant op met de camera
[18:18] <jarod> yop
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[19:01] <Vaizki> mahtava meno, tiukka etukeno
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[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1795343078/fipy-the-worlds-first-5-network-iot-dev-board?token=0a9872c6
[23:27] <michal_f> nice little thing
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> i have no idea if teh cellular would work here
[23:32] <michal_f> why wouldn;t it ?
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[23:50] <SpeedEvil> because various standards exist worldwide
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