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[09:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[09:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
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[10:02] <AndyEsser> daveake: there's no "software" only solution for RXing LORA is there? requires Lora hardware?
[10:03] <Darkside> AndyEsser: in short, yes
[10:03] <Darkside> AndyEsser: there is a gnurdio module for RXing lora now
[10:03] <Darkside> its just that nobody has written the glue code to hook it into the habitat upload stuff
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[10:03] <AndyEsser> Ah ok - interesting
[10:04] Action: AndyEsser refrains from adding that to his "list"
[10:04] <AndyEsser> :)
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[10:10] <Vaizki> yes it would be rather helpful so let's not do it, let's redo stuff that already works :) might look into that myself...
[10:11] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: not sure I've ever been helpful to this community yet - why buck the trend? :P
[10:13] <Vaizki> looks quite simple to use that gr block ...
[10:14] <Vaizki> the example realtime decoder uses a USRP at 2MSPS but should be easily adaptable to rtl-sdr / airspy
[10:15] <AndyEsser> hmm... do I order a drum of rg213 and a bunch of N-connectors and a couple SO239 for tomorrow and spend tomorrow getting all the new antennas mounted...
[10:15] <AndyEsser> although, only have the one airspy... which I may take with me to Wales...
[10:15] <AndyEsser> so not really any point
[10:17] <Vaizki> LMR400 would be much better
[10:17] <Darkside> mmm LMR400
[10:17] <Vaizki> but it's a price thing
[10:17] <Darkside> i have about 10km of it inmy shed
[10:19] <Vaizki> that would cost more than my car
[10:19] <AndyEsser> buy a better car :P
[10:19] <Vaizki> well it's a lexus suv...
[10:20] <Vaizki> I think LMR400 is still well over £2/m?
[10:20] <Darkside> Vaizki: it was donated
[10:20] <Vaizki> nice :D
[10:20] <Darkside> Vaizki: my amateur radio club was given a HF surface wave rader
[10:21] <Darkside> very old tech, not actually usable of course
[10:21] <Darkside> but lots of good parts
[10:21] <Vaizki> mm nice
[10:21] <Darkside> including all the phase matched coax for the ~40 element receive array
[10:22] <Darkside> we didn't get the 5kW power amp though :-(
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0314 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[12:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[13:32] <AndyEsser> woo, 1090 MHz antenna dispatched
[13:33] <gonzo_> I thought you might make one
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[13:40] <fsphil> plane spotters :p
[13:46] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: sod that
[13:46] <AndyEsser> I have neither the patience, nor the accuracy to make one
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[13:46] <AndyEsser> fsphil: going to build something in that picks up my planes transponder and plots its path when I'm having lessons :)
[13:48] <fsphil> forward it to habhub
[13:48] <fsphil> chase plane
[13:48] <AndyEsser> fsphil: had thought about something like that (and I do want to do a chase plane sometime)
[13:48] <AndyEsser> but needs an icon update in habhub :P
[13:48] <fsphil> yeah that would be super fun
[13:49] <fsphil> there was a plane icon
[13:49] <fsphil> I think it was for DL7AD1 ?
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[13:49] <fsphil> yep, https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.qrz.com/d/dl7ad/IMG_0196.JPG
[13:49] <AndyEsser> but yes, once I have my PPL - with some notice, quite happily fly over the landing spot of a balloon to try and see if I can pick up an accurate final location
[13:50] <fsphil> what's involved with arranging a landing at an airfield?
[13:50] <fsphil> do they need advance notice? does it cost?
[13:50] <AndyEsser> there will be landing fees
[13:51] <AndyEsser> (different for each airfield, at Hawarden they're damn cheap at £16)
[13:51] <AndyEsser> (£4 for a touch and go)
[13:51] <AndyEsser> can either file a flight plan
[13:51] <AndyEsser> or "book in"
[13:51] <AndyEsser> so I currently "book out" with Hawarden ATC before every flight
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[13:51] <AndyEsser> where they write down the details of the plane, ready for the controllers to have
[13:52] <AndyEsser> and can phone an away airfield and say "Will be landing a PA-38 at approximately 13:00, 2 POB, G-OEDB, from the North"
[13:52] <AndyEsser> etc
[13:52] <fsphil> right. so in theory you could even land at heathrow but it would cost £££'s
[13:52] <AndyEsser> yea
[13:52] <AndyEsser> and they'd probably strongly discourage it
[13:53] <mattbrejza> you might have to hold for a while?
[13:53] <fsphil> I suppose they could even just say no, not including emergencies
[13:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: not sure they're allowed to
[13:53] <AndyEsser> they might do something along the lines of "there's no space/time" etc
[13:53] <fsphil> yeah they run a tight schedule there
[13:53] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: suspect you'd sit in the pattern for a while - but typically landing order is based on joining order
[13:53] <AndyEsser> so if you join ahead of a 747 - they can't really have the 747 land in front
[13:54] <fsphil> "your landing is important to us .. please hold the formation"
[13:54] <AndyEsser> there are also all sorts of other considerations, like wake turbulence for example
[13:54] <AndyEsser> taking off from Heahtrow behind a jet, I could be looking at a 6 minute wait
[13:54] <AndyEsser> which is about 12 planes they'd normally takeoff in that time
[13:54] <mattbrejza> sounds expensive
[13:54] <AndyEsser> fsphil: but landing at Cambridge airport, or Bournemouth or something - very easy
[13:54] <AndyEsser> or somewhere in NI :)
[13:55] <gonzo_> thereare books full of private landing (farm) strips as well
[13:56] <fsphil> I can't remember which airport I did my flight from
[13:57] <AndyEsser> need to check with the flight school how they feel about me mounting antennas on the plane....
[13:57] <udat> occasionally hear of people landing at entirely the wrong airfield, wonder do they have to go back to school after that
[13:57] <fsphil> east of the lough anyway, we flew over that and did a few circles over cookstown
[13:58] <udat> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4857962.stm
[13:59] <fsphil> "It is not yet clear how the plane will be removed from the Army base"
[13:59] <fsphil> um
[14:00] <udat> and it's still sitting there to this day, noone solved the problem..
[14:00] <Vaizki> really?
[14:01] <udat> no, that was a joke :)
[14:01] <fsphil> lol
[14:01] <fsphil> eek. back away 2016, you've done enough .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38172205
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[14:03] <SpeedEvil> I follow him on twitter - he's quite active.
[14:06] <fsphil> yeah I used to follow him. he's *too* active :)
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[14:07] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yet you follow me?
[14:07] <fsphil> you don't about every movement
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[14:08] <fsphil> post*
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[14:14] <AndyEsser> fsphil: want me to start? :P
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[14:18] <nicholas__> Is anyone from UK in here
[14:19] <nicholas__> Would like to attend a launch before doing my own
[14:19] <fsphil> there's a few
[14:19] <fsphil> it's a good idea, a lot can be learned that way
[14:20] <fsphil> where abouts are you?
[14:24] <nicholas__> I am in Nottingham
[14:28] <fsphil> most launches are probably south of you. are you on the mailing list? launches are usually announced there
[14:29] <nicholas__> I have joined the google group
[14:29] <nicholas__> Is that what you mean
[14:30] <fsphil> yeah
[14:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03truck_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=truck_chase
[15:24] <Ian_> AndyEsser Temporary measure, put your airspy in your pocket to transport between home QTH and Wales,
[15:25] <AndyEsser> Ian_: yea... did think about bringing the Airspy and the 430 Yagi, and seeing if I can pick up one of the launches on the weekend
[15:26] <AndyEsser> but think the only RTTY launch on the weekend is from The Netherlands
[15:26] <AndyEsser> also, requires finding a SO239->SMA pretty sharpish
[15:26] <Ian_> I have been amazed at the RF adaptors needed to get from what I have to what I need. I now need to get a couple of cables so that I have an adaptor collection for the next problem.
[15:28] <mfa298> I made up a sma <->pl259 cables ages ago, That's probably been one of the more useful cables I have
[15:28] <Ian_> I have managed to get an N-type socket to sma socket, but not bulkhead mounting.
[15:28] <Ian_> Antennas of course are not pocket items, so you'll have to shell out there.
[15:29] <Ian_> Re antennas on aeroplanes, I suspect your instructor might blanch at the thought. Tell him you were thinking of a magmount, just for giggles.
[15:29] <mfa298> depends how much wire you can get in your pocket (at least for HF)
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[15:29] <Ian_> You might get away with something on perspex, on the inside . . . settle down mfa298 it would get tangled
[15:29] <Ian_> :)
[15:31] <Ian_> At least RG58 is of a size where it can come close to being an intermediary between N and sma. I have never liked the idea of putting very small devices directly on the end of RG213
[15:32] <AndyEsser> Ian_: this would be after I've passed
[15:32] <AndyEsser> I'll start buttering up Adriana from the Engineering Team
[15:32] <Ian_> It's a bit like a camera becoming an accessory to a LARGE telephoto lens.
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[15:33] <Ian_> I think the rules are rather picky about extra bits in aircraft, but I may have got the context wrong at the time.
[15:34] <AndyEsser> yea, last time I checked they were
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[15:34] <AndyEsser> small items such as Gopros seem to be ok
[15:34] <AndyEsser> but mounting a good size antenna to the undersized... they may have issue with
[15:35] <AndyEsser> s/undersized/underside
[15:35] <Ian_> Silly idea, but UHF antenna worn on a helmet. Bit like flashing lights on a bicycle are supposed to be illegal (as if anyone pays attention) but attached to your body they are good to go
[15:35] <Ian_> I hadn't actually thought about it being underneath - Obviously not paying attention at this end this afternoon
[15:36] <AndyEsser> well mounting on top would have a similar issue I suspect :P
[15:36] <AndyEsser> and whilst a magmount is fine at like 80-90 mph, suspect it might struggle at 120 kts
[15:37] <Ian_> Yes, but on the top, might be OK for airborne balloons, but probably not for the landed ones. Unless you anticipate loops or victory rolls over the target area . . . not good in the Welsh hills I suspect :)
[15:37] <AndyEsser> yea, underside is what I'd want
[15:37] <AndyEsser> (preferably both actually)
[15:38] <Ian_> A magmount might struggle at 0kts on a magnesium alloy fuselage :)
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[15:38] <Ian_> Or composites these days
[15:38] <AndyEsser> once I've passed, I'll stick the FT817 and an atenna in the back and fly over a landed balloon and see how well it picks it up
[15:38] <AndyEsser> if I can just stick it in the back, then voila
[15:38] <AndyEsser> Ian_: yea, I don't fly composites - all metal
[15:38] <AndyEsser> but yes, aluminium would be more of an issue with a magmount... :P
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[15:40] <Ian_> I'm well out of touch. You need something with a perspex panel underneath to give you RF visibility
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[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03red rover_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=red%20rover_chase
[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[16:11] <Laurenceb> yay
[16:12] <Laurenceb> someone badly needs to update ARHAB
[16:12] <AndyEsser> ARHAB.... in the middle of ARSTREET
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[16:16] <fsphil> !whereis UBSEDS18
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: 03UBSEDS18 is over 03St Louis County, MN, USA 10(47.08808,-92.18985) at 0312273 meters
[16:16] <fsphil> ye har
[16:17] <fsphil> heh, firefox has stopped responding...
[16:17] <fsphil> ah there it goes
[16:20] <Laurenceb> UBSEDS18 is at 107 days
[16:20] <Laurenceb> no new record quite yet
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[16:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[16:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AG6HQ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AG6HQ
[16:39] <AndyEsser> Right, I'm off chaps
[16:39] <AndyEsser> have a good weekend all
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ? Its Thursday ?
[16:43] <fsphil> pfff, who needs these arbitrary constructs of time
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[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Most likely his current employer if he wants to be paid!
[17:12] <DL7AD1> AndyEsser: yes. i also wanted to do this. but its difficult to do this, if you are flying alone. the work load is too high for doing both, flying and amateur radio.
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[19:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
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[19:37] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:37] <jcoxon> so now that hab is getting a little easy do people fancy more of a tracking challenge?
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[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> humm Ants maybe ?
[19:39] <richardeoin> jcoxon: higher data rates are still fairly hard
[19:39] <richardeoin> I'm planning a 10kbit/s test for a few weeks time
[19:39] <jcoxon> so i'm testing some ukhasnet stuff on a balloon but thought that people might want to track a scrap hellschreiber balloon tracker
[19:39] <Vaizki> niiiice
[19:39] <richardeoin> hellschreiber is fun
[19:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh no just fax me the details
[19:40] <Vaizki> hell has nice error correction - your brain
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> what 50-60 year old tech. please!
[19:41] <jcoxon> so i've got feld hell workng
[19:41] <jcoxon> just adding a gps
[19:41] <jcoxon> and not just any gps
[19:41] <jcoxon> a Lassen IQ
[19:41] <Vaizki> my company did the original Canon Fax for Windows software...
[19:42] <Vaizki> a lassen! you're really going for gold
[19:42] <jcoxon> oh yes
[19:42] <jcoxon> and its an original ntx2
[19:42] <jcoxon> so super drifty
[19:43] <jcoxon> i get the feeling that people are keen
[19:43] <jcoxon> might end up as a slow drift across europe
[19:43] <daveake> Did I just wake up in 2010? :)
[19:44] <daveake> If you want any olde NTX2s and/or Lassens I'm sure I have a few in my parts box
[19:47] <jcoxon> so i'm using one of my stm32f0 boards, have got the usart working and feld hell on the radio
[19:47] <jcoxon> now to connect the GPS up
[19:55] <richardeoin> Darkside and friends' R=0.8 LDPC code looks pretty good http://www.rowetel.com/?p=5327
[19:55] <richardeoin> It'd be good to see more people trying out modern stuff like that in the UK
[19:56] <jcoxon> richardeoin, am i pushing things backwards :-)
[19:56] <richardeoin> it's fun for old time's sake :p
[19:57] <richardeoin> But I make Darksides's system to be ~14dB (!) better than lora "mode 3"
[19:57] <richardeoin> so over 4 times the LOS range for the same bitrate
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[19:58] <richardeoin> so there's clearly more fun to be had :)
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[19:59] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:59] <jcoxon> indeed
[20:03] <jcoxon> oooo lassen still works
[20:03] <jcoxon> i got this in 2009
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[20:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ7FJB-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7FJB-2
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[20:57] <jcoxon> retro is cool to a point
[20:57] <jcoxon> i forgot about 12 channel gps modules
[20:57] <jcoxon> so deaf
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[21:23] <jcoxon> richardeoin, ubseds is back on the map
[21:23] <jcoxon> enough solar?
[21:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPACE2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPACE2
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[21:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SpaceN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SpaceN_chase
[21:46] <OundleSchoolHAS> Hi all, how much time should be left to inflate the balloon on launch day? it is a 2000g Pawan being inflated with 4.8m^3 of hydrogen. Thanks!
[21:58] <daveake> Varies, but around 15 mins
[22:03] <OundleSchoolHAS> thanks!
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[22:22] <daveake> That sounds like quite a heavy payload, btw. How much does it weigh ?
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[22:33] <Vaizki> sounds like a lot of lift indeed? Maybe it's a 4kg floater? :)
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[22:36] <daveake> From some recent flights (mine and others) Pawans have a propensity to burst early; floating one would be challenge
[22:37] <daveake> Anyway it's about 1.7kg payload at a guess. Nearly half of that gas is just to get the balloon off the ground :/
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[22:43] <Vaizki> well hydrogen is not so precious
[22:46] <daveake> Mine is I forgot to order another cylinder so for Sunday's flight I only have what's left in one cylinder; my other is empty
[22:46] <daveake> I reckon it has 3m^3 so should be OK
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[22:52] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: I have a long weekend in Wales now
[22:52] <AndyEsser> DL7AD: o yea, suspect I might struggle, especially if the TX was drifty
[23:01] <DL7AD> AndyEsser: yeah. so get someone else to handle the work load
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[23:18] <OundleSchoolHAS> <daveake> its 1.79kg
[23:19] <OundleSchoolHAS> very close guess
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[23:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Thats a lot of mass!
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[23:21] <OundleSchoolHAS> Yes its a packed payload!
[23:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Hope its not your first flight ?
[23:23] <OundleSchoolHAS> Its my second time directing the launch and the 4th time ive been involved in a launch
[23:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> That's good to hear then!
[23:24] <OundleSchoolHAS> we have 3 research experiments 2 gopros and trackers
[23:25] <tkerby> Either of these look like Balloon packets on Lora? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mw9VwBcx/IMG_0234.PNG
[23:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nope
[23:27] <tkerby> Hmm. Must be picking up something else with daveakes settings locally
[23:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Most symbols would be ASCII for a telemetry string, and yes you get all sorts kicking around
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[23:30] <OundleSchoolHAS> Chris Hillcox is actually coming down to test out the Doongara on the launch which should be interesting.
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