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[03:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2_chase
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[08:57] <AndyEsser> for hab tracking... which polarity should I mount my Yagi?
[08:57] <AndyEsser> elements horizontal, or vertical?
[08:57] <daveake> To match the transmitter, so vertical
[08:58] <AndyEsser> elements vertical = vertical polarity?
[08:59] <daveake> yes
[08:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have both and go circular ;-) Its primarily Vertical on HAB , but reflections from hills buildings does add a not insignificant horizontal component.
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[09:00] <AndyEsser> daveake: cheers
[09:00] <AndyEsser> in my mind I had it 90 degrees off
[09:00] <AndyEsser> so vertical elements is horizontal polarity, etc
[09:00] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: maybe :P
[09:01] <daveake> what now?
[09:01] <daveake> Have the elements vertical
[09:01] <daveake> Same as the HAB
[09:01] <daveake> This is vertical polarity
[09:01] <AndyEsser> daveake: I was just explaining my confusion :)
[09:01] <AndyEsser> thanks
[09:01] <AndyEsser> the mounting bracket on the yagi is that way around by default, so all good :)
[09:02] <StuartL> How long does it take the LoRa and RTTY transmissions to occur? I can't imagine it's very long? Isn't the bit rate very low (50bits/s)?
[09:02] <StuartL> (I'm trying to figure out the expected duty cycle at 20 second transmission interval.
[09:03] <daveake> Depends. RTTY is usually 50 or 300 baud but sometimes 600; LoRa has a wider range
[09:03] <StuartL> The sentences look pretty long, say 60 characters?
[09:03] <daveake> So for my LoRa flight yesterday the packets were approx 60 bytes or so, and the tx time about 400ms
[09:04] <number10> daveake: do you know if there are t many people with LoRa rx capability on the continent
[09:04] <StuartL> Cool, thanks daveake
[09:04] <daveake> A few number10
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[09:31] <AndyEsser> o you muppet Andrew...
[09:31] <AndyEsser> of course the pi at home isn't responding to SSH
[09:31] <AndyEsser> it's in the boot of my car...
[09:31] <StuartL> Hahaha
[09:32] <AndyEsser> forgot I took it apart to work on at the gf's last night...
[09:33] <Vaizki> work on the gf eh eh know what ya mean
[09:33] <Vaizki> and on other.
[09:34] <Vaizki> Oops in other news.. is the lora now usually on 868MHz?
[09:35] <Vaizki> I think my modules are all 434MHz
[09:35] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: lol
[09:36] <AndyEsser> hmm... do I fork out on an RTLSDR and a 1090MHz antenna...
[09:37] <Vaizki> or airspy mini, adsb amp from upu and build a gp antenna
[09:38] <AndyEsser> Don't really want to fork out for another airspy just for getting ADSB
[09:39] <StuartL> RTLSDR is pretty cheap.
[09:39] <AndyEsser> StuartL: hence why I Was going to just use one of those for it
[09:39] <StuartL> What would you gain from an airspy?
[09:39] <AndyEsser> I should also probably think about not using an Rpi for all this stuff, and just get some sort of semi-decent linux box that I can have multiple SDRs plugged into
[09:39] <AndyEsser> StuartL: an Airspy is "better" than an RTLSDR
[09:40] <AndyEsser> but probably overkill just to get transponder messages from aircraft
[09:40] <Vaizki> gain? Couple of more ENOB.. a little more range
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[09:40] <AndyEsser> presume better sample rate?
[09:40] <Vaizki> doesn't really matter
[09:40] <AndyEsser> StuartL: noise floor on my RTLSDR was much higher than the Airspy
[09:41] <gonzo_> AndyEsser: http://www.lll.lu/PRIVOXY-FORCE/~edward/edward/adsb/antenna/ADSBantenna.html
[09:41] <AndyEsser> 404
[09:41] <Vaizki> but really rtl-sdr and antirez's software is ok and easy as pie
[09:41] <gonzo_> bolt that onto an UPU 1090 preamp nand you are good to go
[09:41] <StuartL> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/airspy/
[09:41] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: page 404's
[09:41] <StuartL> Interesting comparison.
[09:41] <gonzo_> works here
[09:42] <AndyEsser> hmm
[09:42] <StuartL> I get page not found too, gonzo_
[09:42] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/ZzNOj
[09:42] <StuartL> http://www.lll.lu/~edward/edward/adsb/antenna/ADSBantenna.html works.
[09:42] <LazyLeopard> Lop out the PRIVOXY-FORCE
[09:42] <gonzo_> https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW4tG3mNDQAhVBDxQKHUnaCp4QjxwIAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lll.lu%2F~edward%2Fedward%2Fadsb%2Fantenna%2FADSBantenna.html&psig=AFQjCNHNZByzrrsCrvzzrnyk4bFrCbUZfg&ust=1480585357973494
[09:43] <Vaizki> J-pole adsb? Interesting
[09:43] <LazyLeopard> StuartL: ;) Yeah, that works.
[09:43] <gonzo_> yepm that looks like a command to alloow it through my proxy
[09:43] <gonzo_> ta
[09:43] <gonzo_> slide the lot into a bit of capped off pvc waste pipe and off you go
[09:44] <daveake> For ADSB I just have an RTL-SDR and Upu1090Amp ... not much point spending the extra on an Airspy IMO unless you want to climb a bit further up the stats
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[09:50] <AndyEsser> daveake: yea, was thnking £15 on an RTLSDR would be fine for just getting the data
[09:53] <daveake> Yep. That, a 4GB SD card and any old Pi will do fine. I use PiAware from flightaware.com, which you just slap on the SD card then register online
[09:53] <AndyEsser> cool
[09:53] <daveake> You can feed to multiple ites if you want
[09:53] <daveake> I don't
[09:53] <AndyEsser> will probably have a poke around and try and get a POC working first
[09:53] <AndyEsser> and then will eventually write my own decoder :)
[09:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> cheap and good antenna http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antenna-5-8-great-coverage-ads-b-flightradar-24-1090mhz-high-gain-BNC-con-/302148441549?hash=item46597355cd:g:-x8AAOSwOVpXVXyu
[09:54] <daveake> That's the one I have :-). Yes works well
[09:54] <AndyEsser> o good lord, so much cheaper :)
[09:54] <daveake> "eventually" (TM) AndyEsser :p
[09:55] <AndyEsser> daveake: yep :)
[09:55] <daveake> I think your plans go further ahead than my likely lifespan
[09:55] <AndyEsser> at least I did add the "eventually"
[09:55] <AndyEsser> daveake: nah, suspect I will get bored of my consistent failure long before then :P
[09:57] <daveake> How's the HAB tracker coming on? :p
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[10:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
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[10:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[10:08] <Vaizki> I prefer a breadth-first approach, get stuff just working first, then identify the weak bits and attack the fun ones from those
[10:09] <Vaizki> I have no time or even desire to do everything from scratch, I did enough of that that in the 80s
[10:14] <AndyEsser> daveake: just need to sit down and lay it out in kicad
[10:14] <AndyEsser> "just"
[10:14] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: yea, ask me in 20 years or so :)
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[10:20] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike: ordered that antenna :)
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[10:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have a similar and it work great :)
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[10:25] <AndyEsser> now need to order various connectors, drum of coax, and some waterproof boxes
[10:26] <AndyEsser> and a long scaffold pole...
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[10:32] <StuartL> Scaffold poles are available for free* from any building with external work in progress. *By 'free' I do not mean "free of consequence".
[10:34] <AndyEsser> StuartL: yea, it's more... getting it back to mine
[10:35] <AndyEsser> commong length, and would be perfect for me, is 21ft
[10:35] <SIbot> In real units: 21 ft = 6.40 m
[10:35] <AndyEsser> but that wouldn't fit in my car ;)
[10:35] <gonzo_> even with a roof rack, driving through a city in rush hour with a 24ft pole on the roof is not ideal
[10:35] <SIbot> In real units: 24 ft = 7.32 m
[10:35] <StuartL> Tow bar and roller skate?
[10:35] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:36] <AndyEsser> and then managing to get it upright in my garden without taking out a window, or the myriad of telephone wires that crosses over my garden will be fun
[10:36] <AndyEsser> much easier if I just mounted them all on the chimney...
[10:36] <AndyEsser> but that's a lot more effort, and requires chatting to landlord
[10:36] <gonzo_> usually i will borrow a trailer to hold the road space behind the car and just have a big rear overhang with the pole
[10:36] <daveake> if only you could get telescopic masts
[10:36] <StuartL> 6.4m isn't much longer than a long estate car.
[10:36] <StuartL> <1m overhand both ends if you can secure it.
[10:37] <gonzo_> add a trailer and you can go a lot further back
[10:37] <AndyEsser> daveake: trying to be cheap and easy
[10:38] <gonzo_> pay the extra and get an ali scaff pole. Worth it for the weight saving
[10:38] <gonzo_> cleverly mounted, they can be self supporting even in gales
[10:39] <AndyEsser> £16.80 for ali 21ft pole :)
[10:39] <SIbot> In real units: 21 ft = 6.40 m
[10:39] <gonzo_> really, last time I looked they were £70 for a new 24ft
[10:39] <SIbot> In real units: 24 ft = 7.32 m
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[10:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> probably going to need some jpole bracket as well so you can mount multiple antenna on one pole http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solwise-To-fix-Jpole-90deg-to-vertical-pole-/122100262718?hash=item1c6dbe273e:g:gawAAOSwV0RXvti1
[10:39] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:39] <AndyEsser> comment
[10:39] <AndyEsser> "Ok as a mast to mount atennas on"
[10:40] <mfa298> try talkign to the local scafolders, presumably they have to do checks on scaff poles and occasionally they don't pass (but might be good enough for antennas) plus they have suitable transport
[10:40] <AndyEsser> Yea, will have a hunt around :)
[10:41] <AndyEsser> I presume securing a scaff pole to the side of the building counts as "temporary" so doesn't need planning permission :P
[10:41] <gonzo_> nope, but the worst that can happen is they catch you, you then apply for permission
[10:42] <gonzo_> if yoiu get away with it for 4 yrs, you get automatic rights
[10:42] <gonzo_> temp is up to 28days
[10:43] <gonzo_> if you can mount it in a way that you can lower it when not in use, you could claim temp
[10:43] <AndyEsser> not easily....
[10:43] <AndyEsser> I shall think some more
[10:43] <AndyEsser> the 1090MHz antenna I can just mount next to the X50 atm
[10:43] <AndyEsser> the Yagi's are the difficult ones
[10:44] <gonzo_> my 24ft ali pole, with 10ft extension then an x200, was easy to hand riase/lower
[10:44] <SIbot> In real units: 24 ft = 7.32 m
[10:44] <gonzo_> it was secured only at the base, with a pivot so i could just walk it up and snap the clamp across
[10:45] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: Yea, I can't do that
[10:45] <AndyEsser> because of aforementioned telephone cables
[10:45] <AndyEsser> I would have to go with daveake's suggestion of a telescopic mast
[10:46] <gonzo_> I wonder if it was your own place, if you could insist that the GPO move telephone lines that run over your house?
[10:51] <gonzo_> use a light TV type 1-1/4" mast, with clamps that al;low the pole to slide. So you can lower the pole so the ants are level with the ridge tiles
[10:52] <gonzo_> mount near a window so you can lean out and nip up a clamp
[10:52] <AndyEsser> heh
[10:53] <gonzo_> put a pulley on one of the brackets to allw you to haul the mast up
[10:54] <gonzo_> if using yagi's etc, you may need to clamp the pole, if not, just securing the haul rope would do
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[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:57] <AndyEsser> I need to find a way to get paid to play around with radio stuff
[11:57] <StuartL> Work for Curry's?
[11:58] <StuartL> (eye rolling is permitted)
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[12:01] <fsphil> start an online shop
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[12:01] <fsphil> with decent P+P prices
[12:05] <Vaizki> = low pay for yourself? :)
[12:05] <fsphil> psssh, bosses don't need paid :)
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
[12:20] <udat> AndyEsser: work from home job
[12:21] <AndyEsser> udat: yea, this contract is a bit odd in that we're treated like permies
[12:21] <AndyEsser> it's annoying
[12:21] <udat> then you can balance not getting fired with other things you'd rather be doing
[12:21] <AndyEsser> my next contract will be work from home
[12:21] <AndyEsser> or rather: work from office in bangor with scope in one hand, and programming in the other
[12:22] <udat> ahh you're in the "other" Bangor
[12:22] <AndyEsser> the Wales bangor
[12:22] <AndyEsser> not the Ireland Bangor
[12:22] <udat> I often search for blah Bangor, then get confused at why it doesn't look local
[12:22] <udat> :)
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[12:23] <Vaizki> there's also bangor, maine
[12:23] <AndyEsser> udat: ha
[12:23] <AndyEsser> are you over the way then in Ireland?
[12:23] <udat> yeah few miles from bangor
[12:24] <AndyEsser> Ah cool
[12:24] <AndyEsser> I have to wait until December 7th to find out if I'm getting an office in Bangor :(
[12:24] <Vaizki> the bang-or-gang
[12:24] <AndyEsser> tedious
[12:24] <Vaizki> you are not a patient man
[12:25] <AndyEsser> correct, I am not
[12:25] <Vaizki> Hyperman
[12:25] <Vaizki> ;)
[12:25] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: I want to get all my crap out of my house, and have a good space to work on things such as my hab tracker, and rtty demod etc
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[12:25] <AndyEsser> sat in this channel a year now, time to actually launch something :P
[12:26] <AndyEsser> and helping craag hold a balloon at EMF doesn't count :P
[12:27] <Vaizki> well doing your own rtty demodulator is not a step in that direction :)
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[12:29] <AndyEsser> of course it is :)
[12:29] <AndyEsser> just not the most direct direction :P
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[12:32] <fsphil> helping hold the balloon is an important job
[12:33] <daveake> At one point the 3 highest balloons in the record table were ones I'd held. I was so proud :p
[12:33] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:45] <gonzo_> so almost holding the record?
[12:50] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:50] <AndyEsser> o god... so bored of this project :(
[12:50] <StuartL> What's the record for the most balloons at the top of the record table?
[12:51] <Vaizki> AndyEsser: you've been on the project what.. a month?
[12:51] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: since July
[12:51] <AndyEsser> US Independence Day is when I became an independent contractor
[12:51] <Vaizki> oh still the same.. dear me.. it's ben MONTHS and MONTHS
[12:52] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[12:52] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: I'm a project engineer, I join a company, work on a project, see it through to completion and either start new project or move company
[12:52] <AndyEsser> I don't spend years and years at the same copany
[12:52] <AndyEsser> and this project is so boring
[12:53] <Vaizki> hmpf.. I've been at this company for 20years and 2 months :(
[12:53] <AndyEsser> yea, I could never do that
[12:53] <AndyEsser> 2 years is the longest I've ever stayed at one company
[12:53] <Vaizki> so are going to lose you from the channel also in a year? :)
[12:54] <AndyEsser> nah, I like surrounding myself with people far smarter than me
[12:54] <AndyEsser> or are you wanting me to leave? :P
[12:55] <Vaizki> stay awhile, stay foreveeeeer
[12:55] <zyp> you don't need to change companies to find new challenges
[12:56] <AndyEsser> zyp: it's why I became a contractor
[12:56] <Vaizki> and tbh, I am the biggest owner of the company where I work...
[12:56] <AndyEsser> new project every few months
[12:56] <AndyEsser> and stacks of cash :)
[12:57] <Vaizki> in paper bags?
[12:58] <zyp> I miss my old company
[12:58] <AndyEsser> nah, I convert all my stacks of cash into RF and Electronics equipment
[13:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: what c-64 game is that, sounds familiar :)
[13:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh Impossible Mission
[13:02] <Vaizki> AndyEsser: I've also heard that hifi is a sound investment.. *ba dum tsssh*
[13:02] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[13:05] <Vaizki> rf stuff is easy.. and small nowadays.. wait until you get to test equipment
[13:05] <AndyEsser> please don't
[13:07] <AndyEsser> already have a list of toys I want to buy
[13:08] <Vaizki> with the plight of nokia & associated subcontractors etc here.. loads of stuff available for cheap. I guess the same there at smaller scale...
[13:09] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: buy all and ship to me please
[13:09] <AndyEsser> I'll fly over with a plane to load up :P
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[13:10] <Vaizki> what do you need? scope, specan, vna, rf siggen and a 3310 to put between your teeth when you see the invoice?
[13:10] <AndyEsser> heh
[13:10] <AndyEsser> the 3310 is for when I crash the plane
[13:10] <AndyEsser> it'll take the impact :)
[13:11] <Vaizki> my home lab is really just missing a VNA and rf power meter, then I have a full outfit
[13:12] <Vaizki> well I have a bird meter but it's kind of "indicative", not "accurate" :)
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[13:35] <spunkyballoon> Hey boyz
[13:37] <gonzo_> not sure we have amny boyz in here
[13:37] <gonzo_> the bird is more of an installers instrument rathe than lab gear
[13:42] <gonzo_> for low power measurement, there are some interestring IC's around with most of the detection, cal and compensation.
[13:42] <gonzo_> but I don't have any part numbers to hand
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[13:48] <Vaizki> gonzo_: yea I've only really used the bird in anger on marine vhf installs... but it IS cute ;)
[13:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> gonzo_: the oz2cpu is a good one, some boards are available on ebay http://www.webx.dk/oz2cpu/radios/miliwatt.htm
[14:00] <Vaizki> https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707
[14:00] <Vaizki> hmm.. tracker laptop? :)
[14:02] <Vaizki> most probably the kbd and trackpad will be rage-inducing shite at that price but..
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[14:12] <Ian_> AndyEsser, it was once explained to me that often software contractors were people that were incapable of hoding down a permie position for one reason or another. Perhaps the attention span of a goldfish?
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[14:13] <AndyEsser> Ian_: was it told by a permie?
[14:13] <AndyEsser> I will however, fully accept that I have a short attention span
[14:14] <Ian_> It was told to me by someone that hired both for projects and beyond . . . 'eventually', but good observation.
[14:15] <Ian_> :)
[14:15] <gonzo_> often we have contractors who get offered a perm position after a while. We don't get many who move on. Though a few who stay here long term (longer than many perm staff) but like to stay contracting. Suspect they have good accountants
[14:15] <AndyEsser> but contracting appeals to my lifestyle and my wallet - so can't really complain :)
[14:16] <gonzo_> I'm not sure this place pays much more for contractors than perm (in real terms). So I suspect those who stay long herm contracting are laying off lots of expenses against tax
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[14:18] <HMSSpunkballoon> back again boys
[14:18] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: then your contractors are doing it wrong :P or your permies are way too well paid :P
[14:18] <HMSSpunkballoon> get your flaps out
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[14:20] <Ian_> I suspect that taking on contractors and then offering the better ones a permie position is a good way of selecting decent staff.
[14:20] <HMSSpunkballoon> OK Ian we all love a bit of banter but put your rod away
[14:21] <Ian_> I don't think that you actually have the attention span of a goldfish (let's not carp on about that!) but are easily distracted by the next good idea that comes along.
[14:21] <AndyEsser> Ian_: yes
[14:21] <AndyEsser> I have many things in progress at once
[14:22] <AndyEsser> otherwise I burn out on one project
[14:22] <AndyEsser> it increases the length of time 1 project takes
[14:22] <AndyEsser> but saves me getting bored/burnt out/fed up
[14:22] <Ian_> No rod. We have all come across very good contractors and more than a few that are essentially place holders that have been inserted by the agencies. it's probably a lot better these days I have to admit.
[14:22] <daveake> I find it's more s/in progress/shelved till I remember/
[14:23] <AndyEsser> :P
[14:23] <HMSSpunkballoon> Ian im talking about your meat rod
[14:23] <AndyEsser> daveake: that might be more accurate :)
[14:23] <daveake> wut
[14:23] <AndyEsser> I just need time, and fewer distractions
[14:23] <Ian_> I am totally distracted at times . . . by that as well :)
[14:23] <AndyEsser> we need the ban hammer out
[14:23] <HMSSpunkballoon> put your flip away
[14:23] <Ian_> Shopping . . . :( xyl style
[14:24] <Ian_> Laters
[14:24] <AndyEsser> o/
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[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NIKON after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NIKON
[15:02] <AndyEsser> the Investigatory Powers Bill got Royal Assent :(
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[15:07] <SpeedEvil> :/
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> More worried about other fun legislation.
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[15:33] <fsphil> guess I should start randomising my url queries
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Just use random DNS queries whilst not active
[15:48] <mattbrejza> if they log based on dns that would be pretty easy to get around... (so i doubt they will)
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[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well its site only info being logged, so IP address alone won't do easiest route is DNS
[15:51] <fsphil> balloon based darknet
[15:51] <fsphil> darkloon
[15:55] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... In the best "Well, they would, wouldn't they" tradition --> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-only-amendment-politicians-have-submitted-to-controversial-bill-is-to-stop-mps-a6948211.html
[15:56] <LazyLeopard> "Of couse it mustn't apply to *us*..."
[16:00] <AndyEsser> home
[16:00] <AndyEsser> ciao
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[16:02] <fsphil> I guess you need to CC: all your mail to your local mp now
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[16:39] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS18
[16:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Binxian, Harbin, Heilongjiang, China 10(45.80261,127.29166) at 0312104 meters about 036 days ago
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[16:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[17:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NIKON1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NIKON1
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[20:18] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Presumably it's this 434 MHz HAB flight? https://t.co/mCeHZBBfIB #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas https://t.co/0RjAptkmJk
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[20:29] <Kal> A couple of weeks ago I was having trouble getting RTTY decoded correctly from a raspi and an NXT2B. I got a few helpful suggestions on here and I though I would update people. It turns out that the intel atom 1.6GHZ N570 at least using SDR# was not powerful enough. On an i5 desktop it worked fine. Any ideas on decoding software that is less CPU intensive or any other tricks to make sdr# less hungry.
[20:30] <mfa298> reducing how much work the waterfall has to do might help with sdr#
[20:33] <Kal> I have set the speed control to slow - still using 60-70%. Have minimised the size of the graphics windows and then minimised the app too.
[20:38] <mfa298> I've used sdr# in a atom nettop pc but that's a bit faster by the looks of things (d525)
[20:39] <mfa298> if you've only got 1G of ram it might be worth upgrading that (although I think you've got a max of 2G on that CPU)
[20:40] <mfa298> otherwise you could try hdsdr or sdr-console and see if they're any better
[20:40] <mfa298> alternatively for rtty invest in a dedicated radio/scanner and feed the audio in.
[20:43] <Kal> It has got 2GB. Might try the other programs suggested. What speed was your atom chip that worked?
[20:44] <mfa298> 1.8Ghz and also has nvidia ion which might help in some software (I think sdr-console can use the gpu although not sure if it is)
[20:48] Nick change: daey_ -> daey
[20:49] <Kal> I think I must be just on the limit - no doubt USB bus controller and bus speeds all come in to it. Its a 5 year old netbook so I'll try other sw and then maybe get something more powerful. I'm guessing dedicated radio kit is reasonably pricey even for secondhand.
[20:52] <mfa298> I've got a lower specced netbook, but struggled with much sdr on that, althoguh half the issue on that is the screen size.
[20:52] <mfa298> lots of the software doesn't like a 1024x600 screen
[20:54] <Ian_> lost of the software writers don't like a 1024x600 screen. I guess a lot of programmers do so for what they happen to be using to a greater or lesser degree.
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[20:56] <mfa298> I commented elsewhere recently that I think all webdevs (and other UI devs) shoudl be made to work on a small screen.
[20:56] <mfa298> or at least regularly test on a small screen
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[21:02] <daveake> Long time ago I worked with a guy whose response to my comment "your program is really really slow" was "that's OK, by the time this system hits the market computers will be much quicker"
[21:03] <daveake> After he left I reworked it. 100x quicker.
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[21:07] <Ian_> Ha ha, how many corporate websites were designed and tested to work with a prescriptive version of Windows Explorer
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[22:22] <tweetBot> @MX5AKA: BARNABY 434 MHz HAB flight https://t.co/sfpa6TCAD6 #hamradio #hamr #ukhas https://t.co/73Wdq6EX9a
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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