highaltitude.log.20161128

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[00:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7JLC_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7JLC_chase
[00:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP2FRN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP2FRN_chase
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[02:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Amo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Amo_chase
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[07:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-N1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-N1
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[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0310.142.235.78_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=10.142.235.78_chase
[07:39] <x-f> that's a new one
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[07:45] <AndyEsser> morning
[07:47] <SA6BSS-Mike> x-f: what the link to your telemetry page again?
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[07:51] <Upu> SA6BSS-Mike: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/
[07:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> Tnx :)
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[08:32] <x-f> yes, sorry, was afk
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[09:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8VRN - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8VRN
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
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[09:14] <jakeio> Is it possible to get an hourly predictor setup for myself?
[09:14] <Jamie_> Hi, I'm after a FlightDoc for HabHub to be authorised but there has been noone on #hab since last night. Can someone here authorise it?
[09:15] <jakeio> You were on #hab?
[09:15] <AndyEsser> jakeio: you need to ask in #habhub
[09:15] <AndyEsser> Jamie_: likewise, flight doc approvals are done in #habhub
[09:16] <jakeio> Thanks AndyEsser
[09:18] <gonzo_> morning all
[09:18] <AndyEsser> o/
[09:18] <Jamie_> Doh! I was in HAB! Many thanks
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[09:19] <AndyEsser> not quite right :P
[09:19] <AndyEsser> you want to join the channel #habhub, not change your name to habhub :P
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[09:20] <habhub> Yes... understood. Thank you
[09:20] <habhub> I had been joinging #hab not #habhub!
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[10:01] <Vaizki> do the habhub wobble
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[10:13] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: :)
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[10:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
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[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS3
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[11:27] <TT7> hello everybody
[11:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> hi
[11:28] <fsphil> howdy
[11:28] <TT7> when I click the APRS coverage in habhub tracker, does it show all APRS activity or is it filtered to igates or digis?
[11:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> I´d say the later
[11:32] <TT7> it seems that way. it probably represents the last 24 hours as on aprs.fi I'd say
[11:35] <BubUK> greetings all
[11:35] <TT7> it makes me wonder about the relevance of the Russian, Kazach, West China stations since generally balloons don't appear until reaching Beijing
[11:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> z1dev might have a deeper insight if you realy want to know
[11:39] <TT7> ok
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[12:03] <manterolat> Hi everyone! I'm helping the guys carrying out the CP1 launch later today
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[12:10] <gonzo_> welcome
[12:12] <manterolat> thanks
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[12:13] <gonzo_> what is the tracking radio link? aprs?
[12:15] <manterolat> We're using a lora module
[12:15] <manterolat> And also a SPOT backup
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[12:22] <udat> Beacon number: 8804
[12:22] <udat> oops, must remember to pull power from arduino when not using it..
[12:23] <fsphil> this is a bad sign. I read that as, Bacon number
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[12:24] <udat> and there's bacon in the fridge, it's meant to be..
[12:24] <AndyEsser> just bought myself a little Baofeng UV-5R 2m/70cm handheld radio for £22 :)
[12:24] <manterolat> I have one of those
[12:25] <AndyEsser> nice little radio?
[12:25] <manterolat> Actually brought it with me today
[12:25] <manterolat> Yeah, but I don't have that much experience with radios
[12:25] <manterolat> Did you get the USB programming cable?
[12:26] <AndyEsser> nope, probably should have as it was only like... £2 or something
[12:26] <manterolat> I used it with chirp to upload a few common frequencies, quite useful
[12:28] <AndyEsser> ah cool, apparnetly this one will come with my local repeaters programmed in
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[12:30] <AndyEsser> fsphil: somebody needing bacon?
[12:30] <manterolat> Nice. Oh, and the stock antenna isn't very good
[12:30] <fsphil> emergency bacon
[12:30] <fsphil> the cable+chirp is very handy
[12:30] <AndyEsser> manterolat: yea, I got the to send a magmount type antenna for it and some various convertors, at least enough to plug it into my X50
[12:30] <fsphil> I added pmr frequencies too
[12:31] <fsphil> not really suppose to be on the pmr band but sssssh
[12:31] <AndyEsser> isn't that band basically license exempt anyway?
[12:31] <manterolat> Not like the 5 Watts are overkill or anything
[12:31] <AndyEsser> :P
[12:32] <AndyEsser> I should get a proper radio sometime
[12:32] <AndyEsser> both of mine will be 5W now
[12:32] <AndyEsser> although, it's not like I actually TX anything
[12:32] <fsphil> you rarely need much power on vhf/uhf
[12:32] <manterolat> Same here, I just listen on GMRS/FRS usually
[12:32] <AndyEsser> fsphil: maybe when we get the Mountain Data Link up and running :P
[12:33] <fsphil> mountain in the way? just keep adding gain and watts until it burns a hole through
[12:33] <AndyEsser> fsphil: probably worth arranging a time for me to head to the top of snowdon - you to your side of things, and see if can actually RX each other
[12:33] <fsphil> yeah, it would be interesting to try in different bands
[12:34] <AndyEsser> if that works 'ok' then we can think about something a bit more 'permanent' :)
[12:34] <AndyEsser> yagi's would be a good idea I suspect
[12:34] Action: AndyEsser lugs a huge Yagi up Snowdon
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[12:35] <fsphil> I've a 2m and 70cm yagi
[12:35] <fsphil> neither too big
[12:36] <AndyEsser> fsphil: self built? or purchased
[12:36] <fsphil> purchased. both from diamond
[12:37] <AndyEsser> have the model numbers?
[12:37] <AndyEsser> presume they're A430 and A144's of some variety
[12:38] <AndyEsser> 2.245m.... not small :P
[12:38] <fsphil> A144S5 and A430S10
[12:38] <fsphil> if it fits in the clio, it's small :)
[12:39] <AndyEsser> I was looking at the A43015r :)
[12:39] <AndyEsser> bit bigger than yours
[12:39] <AndyEsser> difference for the 430S10 and 430S15 is 1dBi increase in gain
[12:39] <AndyEsser> I'll go for the smaller one :P
[12:39] <AndyEsser> 1.19m length
[12:40] <AndyEsser> gah!
[12:40] <AndyEsser> both out of stock on radioworld...
[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIZERO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIZERO
[12:41] <AndyEsser> bigger one it is then
[12:41] <fsphil> yeah, diminishing returns with size
[12:42] <AndyEsser> did mounting brackets etc come with?
[12:42] <gonzo_> keep an eye out for the 'arrow' antennas that AMSAT used to do
[12:42] <AndyEsser> and stupid SO239 connectors
[12:42] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[12:42] <fsphil> just has a clamp to secure it to a post
[12:42] <fsphil> and yeah, crappy connectors
[12:42] <gonzo_> they are something like a 7ele on 70cm. And break down to nothing
[12:42] <AndyEsser> ok that's fine
[12:43] <AndyEsser> I basically need a load of SO239 > SMA and SO239 to N-type pigtails...
[12:44] <fsphil> the arrow would be handy
[12:44] <manterolat> Anyone have any tips/advice on measuring balloon neck lift?
[12:45] <AndyEsser> Tonna are good, yes?
[12:45] <AndyEsser> manterolat: bottle of water filled to be the correct weight
[12:45] <AndyEsser> tied to loop around neck
[12:45] <AndyEsser> when it's just coming off the ground, voila
[12:45] <fsphil> stay out of the wind
[12:45] <fsphil> ideally fill indoors if possible
[12:46] <AndyEsser> good lord... 4 ele Tonna 2m yagi... £75
[12:46] <manterolat> AndyEsser: will tell team, thanks
[12:46] <manterolat> has anyone used a luggage weight sensor before?
[12:47] <daveake> Useful as a final check, but I prefer the bottle method
[12:47] <manterolat> daveake: Got it, thanks for the advice
[12:48] <AndyEsser> fsphil: might have to stick with 70cm....
[12:48] <AndyEsser> struggling to find a 2m yagi that isn't a small fortune :P
[12:49] <AndyEsser> or that's in stock
[12:54] <AndyEsser> grr... £75 for a Tonna 4 ele 2m Yagi
[12:54] <AndyEsser> 'only' 9.1 dBi gain
[12:55] <fsphil> worth a go
[12:55] <AndyEsser> o0o0o
[12:55] <fsphil> I doubt it'll work
[12:55] <AndyEsser> has an N connector on it
[12:56] <AndyEsser> that makes the money way less insulting
[12:56] <fsphil> depends how helpful the atmosphere is feeling
[12:56] <AndyEsser> fsphil: work for what we're thinking?
[12:56] <fsphil> for a basic contact with the ft817's
[12:56] <AndyEsser> yea,
[12:56] <AndyEsser> I prefer 70cm to 2m personally, but at least we have options
[12:56] <fsphil> the lower power ism stuff is pretty unlikely to work
[12:57] <AndyEsser> have faith young padawan
[12:58] <AndyEsser> we can... make the signal go further
[12:58] <AndyEsser> (to quote Firefly at this time of mourning)
[12:58] <fsphil> rip rg
[12:58] <AndyEsser> Can't take the sky from him
[13:02] <AndyEsser> Well...
[13:02] <AndyEsser> now the proud owner of 2 new Yagi's...
[13:02] <fsphil> yay
[13:03] <AndyEsser> be interesting when UPS tries to deliver it home and takes them to the students next door....
[13:03] <AndyEsser> they're always looking after my packages
[13:03] <AndyEsser> but... these will not be small boxes :P
[13:03] <fsphil> I need a good tripod for the yagi. the little camera tripod is just a bit too light, a slight breeze can knock it over
[13:03] <AndyEsser> fsphil: had to go for the 15 ele 70cm one in the end
[13:04] <AndyEsser> o well... shucks
[13:04] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea, I could do with grabbing one or two reasonably steady ones
[13:04] <AndyEsser> the kind speakers are supported with at outdoor concerts
[13:04] <fsphil> mmm
[13:04] <fsphil> I've seen people use them for satellites
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[13:05] <AndyEsser> I'd love to treat myself to 10-20 m of alu truss as well...
[13:05] <AndyEsser> but... that's really not cheap...
[13:06] <daveake> Clark mast then no planning permission and no pissing off neighbours
[13:06] <AndyEsser> how high can yours go?
[13:06] <daveake> ooer not often I get asked that
[13:06] <daveake> 12m
[13:06] <fsphil> no problems getting it up?
[13:06] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:06] <daveake> hah fsphil
[13:06] Action: fsphil stops it
[13:07] <daveake> Up no down a little :/
[13:07] <daveake> Needs a bit of lube on 2 of the sections
[13:07] <daveake> no leaks
[13:07] <AndyEsser> daveake: what girth?
[13:07] <manterolat> ...
[13:07] <daveake> enormous
[13:07] <AndyEsser> just on the clark website atm
[13:08] <daveake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyHWa3YXUAAjqCf.jpg:large
[13:08] <daveake> Yeah don't buy from them
[13:08] <AndyEsser> was just gathering info :P
[13:08] <fsphil> I don't think there's anything I could secure one to in my garden
[13:08] <AndyEsser> fsphil: my current set up uses half a pack of cable ties...
[13:08] <AndyEsser> really not a permanent solution
[13:08] <AndyEsser> and with the wind and rain getting stronger, not sure how much I should leave it up
[13:09] <daveake> We're a bit exposed here so I'm happier with an extendable mast than permanent
[13:09] <AndyEsser> if I can move it into the corner , most of it, except the actual antenna won't be exposed, and can be secured on two sides
[13:09] <AndyEsser> but need a much larger ladder for it
[13:10] <adamgreig> does anyone here use the csv output from the predictor?
[13:10] <AndyEsser> o god... I need another 2x 10m lengths of 213....
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[13:18] <manterolat> Is it ok to post our project's github link?
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[13:20] <AndyEsser> go for it
[13:20] <fsphil> adamgreig: not recently. used it a few months ago to get the date/time for floater predictions
[13:20] <manterolat> Here it is: https://github.com/manterolat/argo2-tracker
[13:21] <fsphil> since you can't click on a point in the predictor output and see when it reached that point
[13:21] <manterolat> I wrote a small Gateway/GroundStation in python (connects to LoRa using an arduino)
[13:22] <manterolat> Any advice is welcome
[13:31] <mfa298> AndyEsser: just buy a 100m drum and suitable connectors, then you won't have that issue for a while :p
[13:31] <AndyEsser> mfa298: yea... I know
[13:31] <AndyEsser> it's on my list
[13:31] <AndyEsser> should've just done it then
[13:32] <mfa298> don't know what it's like now, but I have seen it where 30m of measured coax is about the same price as a drum
[13:32] <mfa298> that was probably maplin though
[13:32] <AndyEsser> £140 for 100m rg213
[13:33] <fsphil> I was in maplin at the weekend, first time in years. it's not as good as I remember it
[13:34] <mfa298> wow, I'm sure last time I looked it was more like £100-110 for rg213
[13:34] Action: mfa298 blames brexit and trump
[13:34] <adamgreig> thanks brexit
[13:35] <AndyEsser> tbf that was Radioworld
[13:35] <AndyEsser> 50m is £55.99
[13:35] <AndyEsser> £110 on ebay
[13:35] <mfa298> if you're spending £140, nevada have westflex 103 for that price
[13:36] <AndyEsser> is westflex 103 better than rg213?
[13:36] <mfa298> £116 for rg213U or £99 for rg213tm
[13:36] <adamgreig> i bought a reel of wf103 a while ago, it's lovely
[13:37] <adamgreig> you need non standard connectors
[13:37] <mfa298> westflex is lower loss, but moer of a pain to solder (semi airspaced, larger centre conductor)
[13:37] <AndyEsser> eurgh
[13:37] <adamgreig> but for fixed installs I think it's pretty clearly better once set up
[13:37] <AndyEsser> I faffed enough with rg213
[13:37] <adamgreig> rg213 shouldn't be that much bother
[13:37] <adamgreig> maybe get a bigger soldering iron :P
[13:38] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: think it was more the connectors than the cable tbf
[13:38] <fsphil> reminds me, anyone got a desolder gun they can recommend?
[13:38] <AndyEsser> and I was very rusty at stripping/soldering
[13:38] <adamgreig> honestly though for uhf hab stuff it seems much better to get the radio nearer the antenna
[13:38] <fsphil> need to desolder a few through hole parts
[13:38] <adamgreig> i like the engineer brand one
[13:38] <adamgreig> has a flexible silicone nozzle that can press better against things
[13:38] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: yea, my plan eventually is to move as much of the RX gear to a waterproof box at the base of the antenna structure
[13:39] <adamgreig> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solder-sucker-pump-SILICONE-NOZZLE-TIP-see-VIDEO-Engineer-SS-02-Japanese-QUALITY-/252020536679
[13:39] <adamgreig> http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/ss01e.html
[13:39] <AndyEsser> but for now, easier to jsut run stuff into my office and fiddle in the warmth until I'm a bit more sure of how I want things set up
[13:39] <adamgreig> SS-02 there
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[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO1
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO2
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO3
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO4 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO4
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO5 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO5
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO6 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO6
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO7
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO8
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO0 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO0
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO9
[13:42] <AndyEsser> err...
[13:42] <AndyEsser> hi daveake
[13:42] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:42] <Ian_> manterolate going AFK for an hour, but, where is CP1 launching from and what LoRa mode/frequyency please.
[13:42] <mfa298> for a 10m at 434MHz run the difference in loss between wf103 and rg213 probably won't make that much difference.
[13:42] <Ian_> Would be good if you were advertising on the mailing list with a little notice
[13:43] <AndyEsser> mfa298: yea, I'll either use the single run I have atm (maybe with an RF Relay switcher or something)
[13:43] <AndyEsser> or run 2 more lengths, before I come up with a better/more permanent solution
[13:44] <gonzo_> put the lna as close to the antenna as poss
[13:44] <AndyEsser> what lna
[13:44] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:45] <mfa298> rg213 is probably the better choice if you want to move it around as well, wf103 isn't that great to regularly roll / unroll
[13:45] <gonzo_> I have a PA with built in preamp, in the shed. Then a bloody long run of 213 down to the house
[13:45] <gonzo_> I have 6db loss on that at 70cm
[13:46] <AndyEsser> mfa298: yea, don't own the property, will be moving, probably next year, so don't want something that's too delicate
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[13:48] <gonzo_> for the RX, I have a run of Ct100 sat TV coax to the shed. But even with that and all the relays, it is still fine. The LNA gain compensates
[13:50] <AndyEsser> I should probably invest in some proper switchgear and LNAs etc
[13:50] <AndyEsser> need to finish fiddling with my airspy tonight or tomorrow
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[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-13
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03khethelo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=khethelo_chase
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[14:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[14:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP1
[14:35] Action: udat loves wimo
[14:36] <udat> posting the n-types from germany at half the postage cost ml&s are wanting in same country..
[14:39] <mfa298> Ian_: I think your have your answer on the map now of where they're launching from
[14:39] <mfa298> !whereis CP1
[14:39] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: 03CP1 is near 03La Candelaria, Río Grande, Panama 10(8.44462,-80.49545) at 0355 meters
[14:39] <mfa298> I don't think you'll be picking that one up for a while
[14:41] <Ian_> Thanks mfa298, just back in. . . . :) OK, I guess that I can put on the hat and pass on this flight then!
[14:50] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping to PM
[14:52] <Ian_> Confession time. Seeing the calendar, I saw CP1 the other day but forgot about it and was searching the more recent Mailing list etries instead . . . tsk, tsk
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-4
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[15:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[15:12] <pb0ahx> !flights
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03CP1 10(8d80), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[15:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[15:34] <manterolat> Things are going pretty good!
[15:34] <manterolat> *well
[15:37] <AndyEsser> linux python peeps
[15:38] <AndyEsser> does os.system() fork the process, or just spin up a thread, or neither?
[15:42] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: new process entirely iirc
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[15:42] <AndyEsser> that explains what I'm seeing then :)
[15:42] <AndyEsser> thanks
[15:43] <cm13g09> no problem
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[15:47] <manterolat> Still getting -80 RSSI, pretty good
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[15:50] <AndyEsser> Radioworld have sent me a UPS tracking number for my new antennas... but not responded to my email asking to change the shipping address
[15:51] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[15:51] <AndyEsser> it's so not getting redirected...
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[15:54] <manterolat> Is it possible to change the prediction altitude in HabHub?
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[15:54] <AndyEsser> You have to prey to the HabHub gods
[15:54] <manterolat> We would like to change it to 26km, 30km was too much
[15:55] <manterolat> Oh
[15:55] <manterolat> Very well, we shall pray
[15:55] <AndyEsser> (pop your message in #habhub - an admin there might be able to change it for you)
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[15:55] <manterolat> Thanks
[15:55] <AndyEsser> and yes, sorry, pray - not prey....
[15:55] <fsphil> we are all prey to them
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[16:01] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: How badly wrong is the UPS address?
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[16:02] <AndyEsser> rather than hoping UPS give it a neighbour
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[16:02] <daveake> SCAM 12
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[16:02] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: Normally they won't do that, unless you've told them to
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[16:02] <arjunnaha> thanks
[16:03] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: it wasn't UPS I contacted
[16:03] <AndyEsser> it was the place I bought the antennas from
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[16:03] <AndyEsser> was hoping they'd update the address before dispatching
[16:03] <cm13g09> no, but normally they don't just give it to a neighbour
[16:03] <AndyEsser> Amazon do
[16:03] <cm13g09> (UPS)
[16:03] <cm13g09> Amazon do
[16:03] <AndyEsser> which is nice
[16:03] <AndyEsser> UPS are bastards
[16:03] <AndyEsser> but thankfully the depot isn't _too_ far out of my way
[16:03] <AndyEsser> it's just faff
[16:03] <cm13g09> UPS are doing what they're *contracted* to do
[16:04] <AndyEsser> and with that
[16:04] <AndyEsser> work is over
[16:04] <AndyEsser> time to go home
[16:04] <AndyEsser> adios amigos
[16:04] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: I like UK Mail
[16:04] <daveake> Friend of mine had an Amazon package delivered in his absence last week. The card said "Left in wheelie bin"
[16:04] <daveake> You can guess the rest
[16:04] <AndyEsser> I will likely be back on to ask questions about the airspy stuff
[16:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: o god....
[16:04] <AndyEsser> bin men came?
[16:04] <daveake> yup
[16:04] <AndyEsser> *facepalm*
[16:04] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: UK Mail I can send stuff out and there's an option to "Allow delivery to neighbour"
[16:05] <arjunnaha> I found DPD to be the best courier
[16:05] <cm13g09> DPD are by far the best though
[16:05] <daveake> UPS best
[16:05] <cm13g09> they are also lol-spensive if you aren't shipping lots of stuff
[16:05] <cm13g09> UPS and DPD between them are hard acts to follow
[16:05] <arjunnaha> ^yep
[16:05] <cm13g09> Pity that they both refuse to deal with my business
[16:06] <fsphil> weird that TNT won't carry explosive materials
[16:06] <cm13g09> fsphil: Don't set me off on that
[16:06] <fsphil> uh-oh
[16:06] <cm13g09> I have enough trouble couriering paintball equipment.....
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[16:06] <cm13g09> let alone anything with a 1.4G marking on it
[16:06] <arjunnaha> And then's there is the so-called companies: Yodel/CityLink/myHermes
[16:06] <fsphil> also prohibited: banjos
[16:07] <fsphil> well that's just sensible
[16:07] <cm13g09> fsphil: what is?
[16:07] <fsphil> it's on TNT's prohibited and restricted items list
[16:07] <cm13g09> "it" being Banjos, or 1.4G marked items
[16:08] <fsphil> the banjo :)
[16:08] <fsphil> https://direct.tnt.co.uk/company/prohibited-and-restricted-items
[16:08] <cm13g09> So UK Mail are just weird
[16:08] <fsphil> they seem to have a fear of stringed instruments
[16:08] <fsphil> violins and cellos on there too
[16:08] <fsphil> hah, "Apple Mac"
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[16:09] <cm13g09> I am not allowed to courier paintball equipment via UK Mail, unless I have an account and then they send me Ts & Cs that say I'm not allowed to, with a written slip from a manager saying it's fine.
[16:09] <daveake> I used to have accounts with UPS and TNT at different times. Now I just go via Interparcel. Cheaper and I don't get sales droids calling to complain that I don't send enough boxes.
[16:09] <fsphil> "Unknown"
[16:09] <fsphil> thanks TNT
[16:09] <fsphil> that's really helpful
[16:10] <daveake> I lost count of the number of complaints to TNT
[16:10] <cm13g09> daveake: I pay less with UK Mail than I would with Interparcel
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[16:10] <cm13g09> by quite a chunk
[16:10] <daveake> ta
[16:10] <cm13g09> somewhere around £5 + VAT a box (up to 20kg)
[16:10] <manterolat> Question: is it possible to download a kml file of the flight path after it finishes? I saved the .kml of the prediction and would like to compare...
[16:11] <LazyLeopard> Perhaps they're more worried about what musicians might do should an instrument suffer in transit?
[16:11] <cm13g09> daveake: You get 1 hour delivery windows with UK Mail as well
[16:11] <cm13g09> LazyLeopard: Musicians don't trust couriers anyway
[16:11] <adamgreig> manterolat: yea, http://habitat.habhub.org/ept
[16:12] <LazyLeopard> ...or airlines, either.
[16:12] <cm13g09> LazyLeopard: yes....
[16:13] Action: LazyLeopard has heard more than one song illuminating an airline with a less than favourable light...
[16:13] <fsphil> true
[16:15] <fsphil> no trumpets or drums though
[16:15] <manterolat> adamgreig: thanks
[16:15] <fsphil> it's an odd list. I bet most have a story behind them, some expensive claim
[16:16] <manterolat> We have a SPOT representative with us... and the SPOT stopped working at 2km :/
[16:16] <mfa298> that's particularly bad for a spot, I'm sure they normally work higher than that, although don't tell you altitude.
[16:16] <fsphil> I don't think the SPOT gps module works at altitdue
[16:17] <fsphil> at least, the older ones didn't
[16:17] <fsphil> but certainly higher than 2km
[16:17] <craag> usually works up to ~17km iirc then cuts out, and comes back on descent
[16:17] <mfa298> 18km is what I remembered for spot, although I might be confused with soemthing else
[16:17] <fsphil> ah man, "filth" is banned by tnt too
[16:17] <craag> something like that - can't remember exactly as haven't used one myself
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[16:18] <manterolat> I read that it stops working at 6 km or around that
[16:18] <adamgreig> the COCOM limit is 18km
[16:18] <adamgreig> (and 1000 knots)
[16:18] <adamgreig> so a lot of GPS units cut off at 18km
[16:19] <manterolat> That's why most people use U-blox
[16:19] <daveake> 18km is what I remembered
[16:19] <daveake> Not that I've ever used one
[16:20] <craag> SPOT shouldn't have any other limits, as it's using satellites for data uplink
[16:20] <craag> you might be thinking of GSM trackers manterolat (re: 6km)
[16:21] <manterolat> Maybe, I read that a long time ago
[16:22] <manterolat> Kind of embarassing with the spot guy here :P
[16:22] <craag> hehe - what's his answer to why?
[16:23] <manterolat> I didn't speak to him personally, will go in a bit
[16:24] <fsphil> it would be nice if they could do something to get around it, they'd be very useful backups for expensive payloads
[16:30] <manterolat> He says that because there's another GPS antenna close by (less than 3 feet away), it doesn't work... ?
[16:30] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[16:30] <manterolat> haha
[16:30] <daveake> rubbish
[16:30] <manterolat> yep
[16:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cp_track_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cp_track_chase
[16:33] <manterolat> Just discovered the car chase mode :P
[16:33] <craag> lol
[16:34] <manterolat> Also he said he would provide us with a special "developer" version which has a better satellite/gps antenna or something
[16:34] <daveake> Alternatively, buy a Rockblock and make your own
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[16:51] <manterolat> Right under the capsule and having trouble pointing the antenna, come on
[16:51] <manterolat> :/
[16:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-THOR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
[16:57] <daveake> I suspect that ^ is not where it says it is
[17:00] <manterolat> Guess I shouldn't have asked for the altitude reset...
[17:02] <manterolat> 30km passed... yay?
[17:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[17:03] <manterolat> Any bets on when it bursts?
[17:04] <fsphil> hah
[17:04] <fsphil> what balloon, and how heavy a payload?
[17:06] <manterolat> Payload was heavier than expected (with parachute): 1100g
[17:06] <daveake> If it's a Pawan, the answer is "30 minutes ago"
[17:07] <manterolat> Balloon, well: https://www.scientificsales.com/8242-Weather-Balloon-800-Grams-Natural-p/8242.htm
[17:07] <manterolat> It's not great...
[17:08] <daveake> Doing well for an 800 with that weight/ascent
[17:09] <fsphil> yeah, burst calc says about 31km
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[17:09] <daveake> 10p says 33km
[17:09] <fsphil> ssuming kaymont
[17:09] <daveake> they are I believe
[17:10] <manterolat> Burst diameter is around 5.5 meters
[17:10] <daveake> 7
[17:10] <manterolat> That's what it says in the website
[17:10] <fsphil> at 33km now
[17:10] <manterolat> So the balloons from scientificsales are kaymont?
[17:10] <daveake> Steve's site says 7m
[17:11] <manterolat> Steve?
[17:11] <daveake> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[17:11] <fsphil> balloon guru
[17:11] <daveake> latex legend
[17:11] <fsphil> some say he sleeps on a bed made of balloons
[17:11] <daveake> bursty
[17:11] <fsphil> and burst
[17:12] <manterolat> Yay
[17:12] <fsphil> 33.29 km, nice
[17:12] <manterolat> Pretty good
[17:12] <daveake> Did I say 33 I meant 33.3 :p
[17:12] <fsphil> hah
[17:12] <fsphil> prediction is moving away from the road, good good
[17:12] <fsphil> hey this isn't far from the launch site
[17:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Walking distance
[17:13] <daveake> For we're bound to the Rio Grande
[17:14] <fsphil> bbl, good luck with the chase and recovery manterolat !
[17:15] <manterolat> fsphil: thanks, should land close by
[17:16] <manterolat> daveake: So the balloon from scientificsales is a Kaymont? Meaning that the burst diameter on the website is wrong?
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> 22.3 fet http://novalynx.com/store/pc/Weather-Balloon-Store-c115.htm
[17:19] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[17:20] <daveake> The 800g listed is "8242", which is this one http://www.nsn-now.com/Indexing/ViewDetail.aspx?QString=6660014983854
[17:21] <manterolat> daveake: thanks for the info, we'll keep that in mind for the next launch (we might use a PITS board for that one)
[17:22] <daveake> Please do then it'll go even higher*
[17:22] <daveake> *this may be a lie
[17:23] <daveake> Though if you remove the spot it probably will :)
[17:23] <manterolat> At least we might get live ssdv images :P
[17:24] <AndyEsser> back!
[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> I was thinking you choose a good day, but then relaised you don't have a jetstream above you!
[17:27] <daveake> For my flight tomorrow, if the burst happens 2km further up than planned, it shifts the landing spot by 43km
[17:28] <daveake> Works out as 387kph
[17:28] <daveake> hence the cutdown
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> All setup for tomorrow but I'm out till about 10:30 so don't rush ;-)
[17:29] <daveake> hah
[17:29] <AndyEsser> daveake: o0o RTTY tracker as well
[17:30] <daveake> Yeah, to keep the traditionalists happy
[17:30] <AndyEsser> guess I really should finish my airspy + rpi setup tonight
[17:30] <AndyEsser> daveake: we thank you
[17:30] <daveake> Rather easier to rx 10 LoRa payloads on one receiver than it would be for RTTY
[17:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> I take it you have some reliability problems at themoment daveake ? I mean 10 backup trackers ?
[17:31] <daveake> The real reason is that Steve doesn't have a lot of LoRa kit and he's the main man tomorrow. He's got a PC serial receiver and he's built a lora gateway today, so he should be fine anyway, but RTTY is easier to DF it it comes to that
[17:31] <AndyEsser> could somebody please tell me whether: ssh pi@gw-1.chester.zerodependency.co.uk works please?
[17:32] <daveake> No they're a test for Steve's Operation Outward mass launch next year
[17:32] <AndyEsser> (should come up with a password prompt)
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> ;-)
[17:32] <daveake> Upu made 12 of these trackers and this is testing that TDM all works. The idea is to hand out free trackers to participants
[17:32] <AndyEsser> :)
[17:33] <daveake> For the real flights, we might even add an airborne repeater to make life really easy for those chasing
[17:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> CP1 is coming down quite fast ?
[17:35] <daveake> yeah that's pretty quick
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[17:37] <dbrooke> my gateway is set up ready for tomorrow (it will probably be unattended at flight time) so should hopefully be able to track them quite low over the fens
[17:37] <daveake> Great
[17:37] <AndyEsser> woo! airspy with gqrx receiving keying from the 817 :)
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[17:37] <daveake> I meanwhile hall launch and lunch, while Steve does the hard bit :)
[17:37] <AndyEsser> probably shouldn't pump 5w into the ISM band...
[17:37] <daveake> shall ^
[17:38] <dbrooke> yeah, a cunning plan 8-)
[17:38] <daveake> It's an Uputastic plan
[17:38] <dbrooke> have you got a link to a prediction?
[17:39] <daveake> like the one in the mailing list? :)
[17:39] <daveake> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=cb5f47bed1001259225a275b4fb3a786b106a583
[17:39] <dbrooke> I'll go read mty email then ...
[17:40] <AndyEsser> nice and straight
[17:40] <daveake> Change the burst alt to 43km and see what happens
[17:40] <dbrooke> ah a bit south of me, I expect KNN will probably be on too
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[17:41] <dbrooke> almost at Steve's with that change
[17:42] <daveake> Yeah we're planning on not going that far ... North Sea beckons
[17:42] <dbrooke> indeed, wouldn't take much more to be wet
[17:42] <daveake> nope
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[17:48] <manterolat> So...
[17:48] <mattbrejza> is there a cutdown to try to drop them as close to steve as you can?
[17:48] <manterolat> We found it!
[17:50] <AndyEsser> manterolat: congrats
[17:50] <manterolat> Thanks
[17:50] <manterolat> Landed literally on the side of a road
[17:50] <manterolat> And thanks to the spot we found it
[17:52] <AndyEsser> Linker Error: Can not find -lao
[17:52] <AndyEsser> o god... what audio lib was that?!
[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BDBC7 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BDBC7
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[17:58] <daveake> mattbrejza: There's a cutdown in case it overshoots, but I'm not intending that to have to kick in
[17:58] <mattbrejza> ok
[17:59] <daveake> Don't really want to lose 11 trackers and a data logger
[17:59] <daveake> And Steve is happy to drive further
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[19:00] <arjunnaha> Out of interest, what data logger are you using? I've been looking for a good one for a while
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[19:04] <daveake> Upu-made
[19:05] <arjunnaha> Ah OK, is it a Pi/Arduino/AVR?
[19:05] <daveake> AVR,accel,baro/temp/press,GPS, micro SD, 1 AA
[19:06] <arjunnaha> ta
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[19:10] <Upu> maybe going on sale arjunnaha
[19:10] <Upu> just testing atm
[19:10] <Upu> logs at 18hz
[19:11] <arjunnaha> That would be nice, might try to do my own next time but need to learn C preferably
[19:14] <mfa298> arjunnaha: if you're doing it on a Pi theres probably no real reason not to use Python (or something else) rather than learning C
[19:14] <manterolat> A nice image from the camera
[19:14] <manterolat> http://imgur.com/a/YALBL
[19:14] <mfa298> not to say don't learn C and/or C++, but that can be a steep learning curve
[19:15] <arjunnaha> I've got to learn both languages actually! Python for my GCSE and C for my (hopefully) uni course
[19:16] <arjunnaha> I'm alright at py atm but need to learn it oop
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[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[20:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[20:49] <tkerby> daveake: if you're genuinely expecting over 40km then I should be able to pickup about the last 10km in Scotland.
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[20:51] <tkerby> All set! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BE6pIe06/IMG_0214.PNG
[20:52] <tkerby> Also just built a second of those ESP8266 gateways to try from the roof of the office.
[20:52] <tkerby> What time are you launching?
[20:52] <daveake> Yeah this will get to about 40km
[20:52] <daveake> Launch 10-11am
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[20:57] <Upu> streaming ?
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[20:59] <daveake> You want to see me freezing my nuts off?
[21:00] <PE2BZ> no please :-) stay dressed !
[21:02] <Upu> stop wearing shorts its winter
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[21:08] <cm13g09> Upu: For what it's worth, both my UPS delivery driver, and my postman are still in shorts and a short sleeved shirt....
[21:08] <cm13g09> in the middle of November.....
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[21:08] <Upu> lol
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[21:11] <mfa298> I'm not sure the postman spends much time outdoors around here. just lots of going up and down stairs in blocks of flats
[21:11] <cm13g09> Upu: quite... I asked one of them "Aren't you cold still wearing short sleeved shirt and shorts in this weather.....?" The reply was marvellous: "I will be if you keep talking to me!"
[21:11] <Upu> lol
[21:11] <Upu> our UPS driver is a miserable sod
[21:11] <cm13g09> Great off-the-cuff reply mind you
[21:12] <Upu> he likes my dog
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[21:12] <cm13g09> Upu: I, unfortunately, have the UPS training route for Soton
[21:12] <cm13g09> so I routinely get naff drivers
[21:14] <daveake> We do get the odd idiot
[21:14] <daveake> Like the one that asked "where is Stone Barn?"
[21:14] <daveake> "The one next door as that's the one made of stone"
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[21:17] <SpeedEvil> That would be great if people wouldn't misname things.
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[21:18] <cm13g09> I had a great one Friday last week
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[21:18] <SpeedEvil> I have occasional issues with deliveries.
[21:18] <cm13g09> a Farnell order that was vitally important
[21:18] <cm13g09> caught up with the postman about 6 stops down the route
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> I live in the middle of a village with no streetnames or numbers, and down a 30 yard drive which the house is not visible from the road.
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[21:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9MDD-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9MDD-1
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