highaltitude.log.20161127

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[03:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
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[06:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-rs41 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
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[06:52] <craag> SUSF -> launch site
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[07:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Morning all
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[08:02] <PE2BZ> !flights
[08:02] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03RS41 APRS test 10(78b3), 03Tadley HAB Launch - 27th November 10(7658), 03TDMTest 10(c785), 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SUSF after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUSF
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[08:24] <mobilecraag> Morning from SUSF launch site!
[08:25] <jcoxon> good luck with the launch
[08:25] <PE2BZ> Good morning ! Have a good launch :-)
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-13
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[08:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0APT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0APT_chase
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[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9HACK-chase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9HACK-chase_chase
[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9HACK_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9HACK_chase
[09:02] <Wiktor> Sry for double chase xD
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[09:11] <Vaizki> go go chevy_chase
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[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> No flight doc for the Imperial College launch from daveake ?
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[09:32] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03RS41 APRS test 10(78b3), 03Tadley HAB Launch - 27th November 10(7658), 03TDMTest 10(c785), 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[09:33] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: Filling for launch at 10am #ukhas https://t.co/jmEtIoIABu
[09:33] <daveake> Seems not. It's payload ROTIO
[09:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right
[09:34] <daveake> 434.575Mhz, 300Hz shift, 50 baud 7 N 2
[09:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks dave
[09:35] <daveake> I could fly mine but it's going to be a lot easier to get a good flight path on Tuesday.
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[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[10:03] <mobilecraag> up!
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[10:07] <g8fjg> not able to decode lora
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Explicit, 41.00, SF10, EC4:5 LDRO
[10:09] <g8fjg> that works ! ta
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[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUSF_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUSF_chase
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
[10:26] <mobilecraag> We're on our way to the Bell Inn.
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[10:32] <pb0ahx> !payload SUSF
[10:32] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03SUSF LoRa RTTY 10(7658) 03$$SUSF - 03434.1 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/480Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[10:35] <PE2BZ> !dial SUSF
[10:35] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03SUSF LoRa RTTY 10(7658): 03434.096791 MHz, 434.09568 MHz, 434.097 MHz, 434.09623 MHz, 434.096836 MHz, 434.09727 MHz, 434.098 MHz
[10:46] <g8fjg> SUSF being bounced about!!
[10:48] <PE2BZ> First green in RTTY at 15 km
[10:48] <PE2BZ> Only bad crc in LoRa however
[10:50] <PE2BZ> !dial FSFU
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03FSFU LoRa RTTY 10(7658): none
[10:50] <g8fjg> now using v1.8.6 gateway, only lost 1 upload on the stats page
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[10:53] <PE2BZ> Could 6 crc failures in a row mean I have a setting wrong on lora ?
[10:54] <mobilecraag> PE2BZ, FSFU is not flying, we're flying SUSF.
[10:54] <g8fjg> Goeff gave me Explicit, 41.00, SF10, EC4:5 LDRO
[10:54] <PE2BZ> 41.0 or 41.7 ?
[10:55] <g8fjg> didnt seem to matter
[10:55] <g8fjg> using 41.7 here
[10:55] <PE2BZ> And do you have mode set to 5 or not set ?
[10:55] <g8fjg> not set #
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Modes are preset combinations chosen by dave not the hardware, # out
[10:57] <PE2BZ> mode is # now, lets see...
[10:58] <arjunnaha> !dial SUSF
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03SUSF LoRa RTTY 10(7658): 0310 MHz, 434.09606 MHz, 14.07 MHz, 434.09479 MHz, 434.095304 MHz, 434.5 MHz, 434.0956 MHz, 434.096 MHz, 434.09604 MHz, 434.09598 MHz, 434.09521 MHz, 434.095999 MHz
[10:58] <PE2BZ> 10:58:33 Ch1: $$SUSF,1028,10:58:30,511549082,-14830106,20166,16,128,0*6951
[10:58] <PE2BZ> Much better. Thanks !
[10:59] <g8fjg> nice
[10:59] <PE2BZ> Now I am afk till 20:00 UTC
[10:59] <PE2BZ> Bye
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[11:01] <daveake> Yeah none of my "modes" match, so just set mode 0 and override everything. e .g.:
[11:01] <daveake> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/s5qlx7jF/
[11:01] <daveake> That's for one of mine; don't do the DIO0/5 thing for yours
[11:07] <arjunnaha> For decoding the RTTY on SUSF, I always seem to get characters (_Gg_ and '-@@) or something similar at the start. Dl-fldigi doesn't seem to mind, as it appears to ignore it when it can find a valid sentence but can I do anything on my side to improve it?
[11:07] <mobilecraag> arjunnaha: that's normal
[11:07] <mobilecraag> it sends 010101 before the sentence to lock dl-fldigi better
[11:08] <arjunnaha> mobilecraag: Ah ok. Haven't tracked that many flights before, thanks
[11:08] <mobilecraag> or some sequence like that
[11:08] <mobilecraag> it's a unique mattbrejza touch ;)
[11:08] <AndyEsser> I want to "borrow" the airfields antenna... it's nice and high, and lots of clear LOS... perfect for hab tracking
[11:08] Nick change: mobilecraag -> SUSFchase
[11:08] <SUSFchase> waiting at the pub
[11:09] <AndyEsser> SUSFchase: have fun and happy chasing
[11:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> SP9UOB-rs41 recovered ! http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/ELFy-landing.jpg
[11:09] <SUSFchase> should be bursting soon (~25.5 for 7m/s, but it seems to be going faster than that)
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Coming down
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> A lot of downaward drift on the Tx
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Think its lost it as regards freq!
[11:24] <g8fjg> go man go
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> stable again now, wonder if it was temperature ?
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[11:27] <udat> seen that on the waterfall too
[11:28] <udat> didn't get a rtty decode this time, a few lora though
[11:30] <SUSFchase> Relaxing descent towards the pub
[11:31] <mattbrejza> given how much its been thrown around the high update firmware would have been interesting to see
[11:31] <daveake> It's like you have this planned :-)
[11:31] <daveake> Imperial guys here and have started getting ready
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds good - get them to put a flight doc in then my aerials can track them!
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ROTIO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ROTIO
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[11:38] <pb0ahx> SUSf team mni tnx for nice flight tnx
[11:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> ROTIO seems along way from your garden
[11:40] <SUSFchase> Thanks for tracking pb0ahx
[11:40] <pb0ahx> !payload ROTIO
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> SUSF is off up the band again!
[11:41] <SUSFchase> Giving your frequency dial a workout Geoff-G8DHE ;)
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sure is, even the AFC can't keep up!
[11:42] <mattbrejza> i assume you remembered the polystrene enclosure...
[11:43] <mattbrejza> this is the same payload that george was tracking fine while being asleep
[11:43] <mattbrejza> somwhat slower ascent that time
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/SUSF_20161127/index.php?ind=7
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[12:02] <mattbrejza> hmm, got to find a good landing position between two 440kV lines, a A road, and a forest :S
[12:04] <g8fjg> and pepper pig
[12:05] <g8fjg> 217 lora packets and 216 shown..... v1.8.6 seems to work
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Umm that looks like trees ?
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[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> at the edge of a pond
[12:10] <tkerby> SUSFchase: looks like you hopefully got a bear miss from a water feature
[12:10] <tkerby> Near miss even
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground level is 27m payload at 44m .....
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[12:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> but yes just short of the power lines
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[12:19] <pb0ahx> get ROTIO flying today ??
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Susf__chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Susf__chase
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[12:43] <daveake> ROTIO should be launching soon
[12:43] <daveake> Beware that the transmissions are ... strange
[12:43] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: Payload found.. 15m up a tree. #ukhas https://t.co/M18JqVBulO
[12:43] <daveake> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IIrRPkjt/
[12:43] <daveake> ouch
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[12:53] <tkerby> !dial rotio
[12:53] <SpacenearUS> 03tkerby: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[12:56] <daveake> It's up
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[13:03] <g8fjg> 434.570 ishh
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[13:03] <g8fjg> 220 shift ish
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Probably a good thing the aerials aren't tracking!
[13:06] <g8fjg> quote " Beware that the transmissions are ... strange"
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[13:07] <g8fjg> but fairly stable....up to just then
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[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial roito
[13:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:14] <g8fjg> the group of signals around 570 are just a few db higher than the 578 group
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[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> sems to have gone from my w/f ?
[13:18] <arjunnaha> Signal seems to have gone for me
[13:18] <m0taz> I can see ROTIO in the HABHUB site, what freq/mode is it running ?
[13:18] <arjunnaha> Callsign is ROTIO, RTTY on 434.575MHz, 50 baud, 300Hz shift, 7 N 2.
[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> it appears to have stopped was 434.571 50/250 7N2
[13:19] <g8fjg> it was on 434.570 50/220 7n2 but stopped
[13:19] <m0taz> OK ta looking now
[13:19] <g8fjg> you type faster than me
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> the GPS lock looked a bit odd as well with the jumps
[13:20] <arjunnaha> Does anyone know what was sent up?
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> F1 think
[13:22] <m0taz> Oh thats a shame, guess its dead. GPS tracks do look rather strange !
[13:23] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: Recovered #ukhas
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[13:27] <hyde00001> ROTIO lives...
[13:29] <m0taz> I can hear it now but doesnt sound very well...
[13:29] <arjunnaha> I'm getting nice strong greens now
[13:30] <m0taz> Its txm on quite a few freq...
[13:31] <arjunnaha> I've got it on 434.568
[13:31] <m0taz> its on 434.576 as well
[13:32] <daveake> yeah I pointed out to the team that the modulation is odd
[13:32] <m0taz> Its not very clean at all !
[13:32] <daveake> I know
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> looks like 4xfsk on my w/f
[13:36] <daveake> Too low a PWM frequency I suspect
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and repeated a few extra KHz higher as well!
[13:36] <daveake> yeah looked so bad I was surprised it decoded
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[13:39] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: (crew member now also recovered from tree) #ukhas
[13:40] <Vaizki> one of the reasons I gave up on PWM to ntx2b, it was not a clean signal unless ran at high freq
[13:41] <daveake> yup
[13:41] <m0taz> OK decoding now, I notice this one isnt on the picklist for the Fldigi HAB program. Is it missing or am i missing something ?
[13:41] <daveake> They didn't do a flight doc
[13:41] <Vaizki> flight doc missing
[13:42] <m0taz> PPP
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[13:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031014223578_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1014223578_chase
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[13:53] <daveake> ROXIO bursty
[13:54] <daveake> Pawan win again
[13:55] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: pwm not good for ntx2b then?
[13:56] <daveake> It's fine if you use a sufficiently high PWM frequency
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[13:57] <daveake> Howver spend 2p on resistors then you don't have to worry about it
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[14:00] <Vaizki> yea 2p on resistors is better than having a 328p timer dedicated to doing their job badly
[14:00] <Vaizki> I had less spatter with the resistors than with pwm, even when running at full speed pwm
[14:01] <richardeoin> I suppose I should listen this this one since it's kinda overhead
[14:01] <richardeoin> A burst at 30 km was predicted to come down on this side of the channel, but looks like it's going for Wales now
[14:01] <Vaizki> where by spatter I mean rf power spread out over a wider area around the space / mark tones
[14:02] <Vaizki> not sure what the radio technician terminology is for that.. :)
[14:03] <daveake> Yeah I warned them about Pawans bursting early - around 29km iirc would land in the Severn.
[14:03] <tkerby> Vaizki: you're close. Usually referred to as splatter
[14:03] <daveake> At least it burst very early not a bit early
[14:03] <Vaizki> ah. occupied bandwidth also came to mind :)
[14:03] <daveake> When this happened to me it landed in a firing range :/
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[14:18] <AndyEsser> daveake: sure, the resistor method works fine - but limits you to being 'hard coded' at that shift freq
[14:19] <AndyEsser> daveake: that the one you got locked into?
[14:19] <Vaizki> well you can put in trimpots if you want :P
[14:19] <AndyEsser> (re firing range)
[14:19] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: how well do they behave with vibration?
[14:20] <Vaizki> I have no idea. why do you want to change the shift anyway.. less moving parts = less failing parts
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[14:21] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: o no, fully get that. The fewer components in general = less failing parts
[14:21] <AndyEsser> let alone dodgy moving ones
[14:21] <AndyEsser> Just appeals to the "more configuration" side of me :)
[14:22] <AndyEsser> maybe I only want a shift of 100Hz for 50 Baud, but 1kHz for 300 Baud :)
[14:23] <Vaizki> no you don't :)
[14:23] <daveake> There's no need at all to have a variable frequency shift
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[14:24] <AndyEsser> daveake: FINE!
[14:24] <daveake> Using PWM means a dirtier signal plus you lose a timer that you might want for something else
[14:24] Action: AndyEsser goes and sulks in his room
[14:24] <AndyEsser> :P
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[14:25] <Vaizki> put in a resistor network and mux it :D
[14:26] <Vaizki> sorry.. krhm
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[14:48] <tweetBot> @georgeb128: Many thanks to @philcrump2 and @SUSpaceflight for an excellent day out flying a high altitude balloon! #ukhas
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[16:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[16:33] <jakeio> Has that flight today had problems with reflecting its location in the Greenwich meridian?
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[16:37] <daveake> Yup
[16:37] <daveake> and smaller errors too if you look closer
[16:37] <daveake> btw jakeio I heard that your talk at the Cotswold Pi jam went down very well
[16:38] <jakeio> Thanks!
[16:39] <jakeio> Did ROTIO get recovered?
[16:45] <daveake> Not heard yet
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MODBN1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MODBN1
[17:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[20:47] <jakeio> !whereis UBSEDS18
[20:47] <SpacenearUS> 03jakeio: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Binxian, Harbin, Heilongjiang, China 10(45.80261,127.29166) at 0312104 meters about 034 days ago
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[20:55] <daveake> ROTIO seems to be lost, btw
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[21:13] <craag> Someone's been graffiti-ing on the map again..
[21:15] <daveake> I pointed that out before launch. "It worked when I tested it"
[21:15] <jcoxon> ooo thats a nice error
[21:15] <craag> lol
[21:15] <craag> which uni/apprentices was this?
[21:15] <jcoxon> decimal point?
[21:16] <daveake> Imperial SEDS
[21:16] <craag> hah :D
[21:16] <daveake> Also ... Canon powered by external Duracells, but not to worry they had a hand-warmer in there
[21:16] <daveake> GSM backup
[21:16] <daveake> Payload line was rope
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[21:17] <craag> hehe SIS special
[21:17] <daveake> I've seen worse
[21:17] <daveake> yes
[21:17] <daveake> And a Pawan
[21:17] <daveake> I hate Pawans
[21:17] <craag> We got 28.5km out of a 25km predicted hwoyee today :)
[21:17] <daveake> That's about right :)
[21:19] <daveake> I decided to wait till Tuesday for mine. Gonna try sending it over to Steve. http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=19bc72f0f0b29f1cc78cc52bb47cd1c2ffc2c863
[21:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03USER_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=USER_chase
[21:19] <craag> Oh nice
[21:20] <mfa298> oh wow, thats quite some graffiti, that's looks like a new form of parsing issue (along the lines of: if rand()>0.5 long*=-1;)
[21:20] <daveake> Oh and the RTTY was a bit special
[21:21] <daveake> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IIrRPkjt/
[21:21] <craag> lolway
[21:21] <craag> *lolwat
[21:21] <jcoxon> oooooo
[21:22] <daveake> It was actually decodable
[21:22] <craag> decoding off a pair of subharmonics...?
[21:22] <daveake> Think so yes :/
[21:23] <daveake> I saw the 2 peaks miles apart and wondered if I'd done something wrong myself (new SDR)
[21:23] <craag> hmm ok. Also that's a heck of a sentence count
[21:24] <daveake> lol hadn't noticed that
[21:25] <craag> Our rtty was rather drifty today - we're not sure what caused that
[21:25] <craag> polystyrene was well taped up
[21:26] <craag> also battery voltage dipped worryingly then recovered - consistent with it getting cold
[21:26] <craag> AA was from an open pack so I was worried for a bit
[21:26] <mfa298> did you manage to recover it or is it still up a tree ?
[21:27] <craag> recovered :)
[21:27] <craag> also recovered susf crew member from same tree afterwards
[21:27] <craag> although it did involve lowering him down with rope
[21:27] <craag> :P
[21:27] <mfa298> ooops
[21:28] <craag> branch broke off while descending, leaving him stranded
[21:28] <Vaizki> Oooo that's a nasty 2fsk
[21:28] <craag> but he's fine now :)
[21:28] <craag> getting the payload down involved duct taping scissors to the end of hte fibreglass pole
[21:29] <craag> then using that, from up the tree, to cut the line between payload in one tree and parachute in another
[21:29] <daveake> Less important :p
[21:29] <daveake> Ah SiS rope came in useful then ?
[21:29] <daveake> hah yes Upu and I did that once :)
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[21:30] <craag> hehe this was some old crappy rope I had in the car for lashing things to the roof rack - very glad I had it :)
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[21:30] <daveake> :)
[21:31] <Vaizki> paracord... just take it along :)
[21:32] <craag> anyway fun flight - wind was dead still at launch, easiest fill ever
[21:33] <ko6yq> !whereis K6RPT-11
[21:33] <SpacenearUS> 03ko6yq: 03K6RPT-11 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(34.28874,-124.17203) at 0316159 meters about 038 minutes ago
[21:33] <daveake> Yeah no wind here early on
[21:33] <mfa298> is that something to add to the chase equipment list, climbing harness + rope, preferably with someone that knows how to use it
[21:33] <daveake> However they didn't get here early enough
[21:33] <daveake> yes :)
[21:34] <daveake> For the RS flight I did, they got a pair of climbers back a few days later to recover one of the payloads from an oak tree
[21:36] <craag> Well that would imply that I, as representative of SUSF, was approving of climbing trees without proper risk assessment. Which of course I was not - terrible of him to scramble up there on his own accord before I could catch him..
[21:36] <daveake> hah
[21:37] <mfa298> I tihnk one of the early blast/sharp flights they sent someone up the tree (brother of one of the team had climbing gear I think)
[21:38] <mfa298> shame on him for taking the rope from your car without permission :p
[21:38] <craag> well I went and got that when it was clear that otherwise we'd have to just leave him there :P
[21:39] <craag> one of the parents commented that 75% crew survival on a space mission wasn't too bad :)
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[22:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[22:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[22:38] <Vaizki> craag: tends to be 100% or 0% in real life but nice to see that attitude :)
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[22:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> SP9UOB-rs41 chasing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqtHhcIEPSg
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