highaltitude.log.20161124

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[02:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[03:03] <natrium42> :O
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[05:43] <Vaizki> yay \o/
[05:44] <Vaizki> !whereis ubseds18
[05:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Binxian, Harbin, Heilongjiang, China 10(45.80261,127.29166) at 0312104 meters about 0320 minutes ago
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[06:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
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[06:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> AndyEsser: reading backlog... there is http://cubicsdr.com/ as well working for airspy under linux
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[07:49] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:49] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:50] <PE2BZ> !track ubseds18
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds18
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[09:56] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike: cheers :)
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[10:08] <AndyEsser> morning all
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[10:21] <fsphil> morning one
[10:50] <AndyEsser> :)
[10:57] <AndyEsser> eurgh, cba with being in the office today
[10:58] <AndyEsser> want to be at home playing with airpsy stuff
[11:04] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
[11:06] <fsphil> could be worse. you could be adding a "black friday" banner to your website. *kill me*
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:07] <AndyEsser> :(
[11:08] <fsphil> why is this a thing. who can I blame
[11:08] Action: SpeedEvil ponders adding it to the wiki to annoy fsphil.
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Blame Trump.
[11:09] <AndyEsser> SpeedEvil: just blame Americans
[11:09] <AndyEsser> have a public holiday to give thanks
[11:09] <AndyEsser> followed by a day of near rioting to get cheap shit
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[11:09] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/8kAlOj9
[11:10] <SpeedEvil> (not related to above)
[11:10] <AndyEsser> lol
[11:10] <AndyEsser> need that gif on the Wiki FAQ page for how to launch :)
[11:11] <fsphil> the chinchilla method
[11:13] <AndyEsser> definitely don't throw a chincilla down the stairs to see if it survives...
[11:14] <fsphil> I guess chincilla uses lora
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[11:20] <Bencls> Do you all get your high altitude balloon flights insured? (Thinking along the lines of if you hit someone, cause a crash, destroy a greenhouse etc.)
[11:20] <AndyEsser> hitting someone with a polystyrene ball?
[11:20] <AndyEsser> AFAIK in the UK it's not usually bothered
[11:21] <AndyEsser> my launches will happen to be covered under my companies insurance - but not specifically going to insure the flight per se
[11:22] <daveake> Fixing a greenhouse window << cost of insurance
[11:22] <AndyEsser> ^
[11:22] <daveake> And that's the only HAB-related claim on the met office in the last few years, if you exclude someone claiming that their car windscreen got broken by one
[11:23] <daveake> (they probably claimed for whiplash too)
[11:23] <daveake> Commercial flights are often insured but I don't know of anyone in the UK who has their hobby flights insured
[11:24] <Bencls> ok, thank you
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[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0UPU-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0UPU-9
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[11:37] <evilroots> !tracker
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> 03evilroots: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/t/
[11:37] <evilroots> !aprs
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> 03evilroots: Tracking via APRS: 034Z7GUL-11 10(ILHAB-1d), 03AD6AM-11 10(UBSEDS15), 03AD6AM-12 10(UBSEDS18), 03DK3SB-10, 03DK3SB-12, 03DK3SB-13, 03DK3SB-8, 03DL3AKB-11, 03DL7AD-11, 03HABIL-1, 03K2JJI-11, 03K6RPT-11, 03KD2EAT-11, 03KD5ZPL-11, 03KD9DBI-11, 03KG5KNM-11, 03KG7WFR-11, 03KI7CUX-11, 03KI7CUX-9 10(KI7CUX-11_chase), 03M0SBU-11 10(UBSEDS15), 03M0SBU-12 10(UBSEDS18), 03M0UPU-7, 03M0
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> SP3OSJ-12, 03SP9UOB-10 10(SP9UOB), 03VE3KCL-9, 03VK3YT-11, 03VK4BW-11, 03VK5QI-11, 03W7QO-7, 03WB8ELK-3, 03WB8ELK-6
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NIKON - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NIKON
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[12:36] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: forgive me, is it Sweden or Norway you live in?
[12:37] <x-f> Finland :)
[12:38] <fsphil> hah
[12:40] <AndyEsser> whoops
[12:41] <AndyEsser> it's basically all the same right? :P
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[12:58] <fsphil> you're still more qualified to be foreign secretary
[12:59] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:02] <AndyEsser> wtf...
[13:02] <AndyEsser> makefile executes, clang runs
[13:02] <AndyEsser> but no binary output...
[13:02] <AndyEsser> and no error messages
[13:02] <AndyEsser> whut..
[13:02] <adamgreig> remembered to link?
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[13:03] <AndyEsser> would expect an Undefined Reference error if I hadn't linked in a required lib
[13:03] <adamgreig> I mean linked the final output executable
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[13:03] <AndyEsser> current commandline invocation should do that as part of running it
[13:03] <AndyEsser> and there are no intermeidate object files created either
[13:04] <adamgreig> maybe they're going somewhere else
[13:04] <AndyEsser> identical makefile I used in a project yesterday which worked
[13:04] <AndyEsser> whut...
[13:04] <AndyEsser> ha
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[13:05] <AndyEsser> interesting... manually invoking clang++ with a load of the parameters stripped out gives me the undefined reference error I was expecting
[13:05] <AndyEsser> a ha!
[13:06] <AndyEsser> herp derp
[13:07] <AndyEsser> sorted :)
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[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03lexus_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=lexus_chase
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[13:32] <AndyEsser> no YOU are playing with OpenGL on Ubuntu whilst at work....
[13:32] <Vaizki> sweden? norway? what's going on here!
[13:32] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/Dyqem
[13:33] <Vaizki> we might fight the wars for sweden and eat the salmon grown in norway but this is Finlaaaaaaaand!
[13:33] <AndyEsser> sorry dude
[13:33] <AndyEsser> my mistake :(
[13:33] <Vaizki> nice window there
[13:33] <Vaizki> rounded corners for safety
[13:33] <AndyEsser> thanks
[13:33] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: H&S all over this :)
[13:35] <Vaizki> windows 10 corners are so sharp the whole OS makes me cry.. daily
[13:35] <fsphil> don't use it :)
[13:36] <AndyEsser> hmm... might have to purchase a mac for this project...
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[13:37] <Vaizki> fsphil, actually I don't mind it so much.. I'm going soft in the head.
[13:37] <AndyEsser> I have no real issues with Windows, would just prefer Linux
[13:37] <daveake> You can't go back after Mac
[13:37] <AndyEsser> but there are mixed views on how well Ubuntu works on a Surface Pro
[13:37] <AndyEsser> daveake: used them before, not a fan
[13:37] <fsphil> I had a mac, installed linux on it :)
[13:37] <AndyEsser> but need a mac for compiling and testing this project on them
[13:54] <daveake> yeah ditto. Got an old Pro from a friend. £100, updated to latest OSX, job jobbed.
[13:54] <AndyEsser> nice
[13:54] <AndyEsser> suspect I might do that, or something like a Mac Mini
[13:54] <AndyEsser> just hook it up to by CI server as a Mac Agent and have it pump out binaries, and run somet tests
[13:54] <AndyEsser> some tests*
[13:54] <daveake> Yeah I was going to get a mini otherwise
[13:55] <AndyEsser> right... time to stop messing around with OpenGL whilst at work
[13:56] <Vaizki> the mini is pretty good actually
[13:57] <Vaizki> and light enough to velcro to the back of a display
[13:57] <AndyEsser> heh
[13:58] <AndyEsser> hmm... plans for this evening have been changed
[13:58] <AndyEsser> do I a) play video games b) work on Airspy/RPi thing doodah c) continue tidying the house before GF and her friend stay over tomorrow night....
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[14:03] <fsphil> it'll never be tidy enough :)
[14:06] <daveake> Convo last night with Mrs Dave ... "There might be some students here on Sunday to launch" OH: "Oh, I'd better tidy up". Me: "Seriously? For students???"
[14:08] <AndyEsser> :P
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[14:10] <AndyEsser> maybe I'll do half tidying, half getting airspy to work, half games
[14:11] <AndyEsser> hmmm... Steve R launching from Stoke On Trent tomorrow...
[14:11] <AndyEsser> guess I should get the airpsy working!
[14:14] <daveake> Yeah, that's heading for Ludlow / Shropshire Hills
[14:15] <daveake> Which can be fun :)
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[14:16] <AndyEsser> hmm... shame I'm not off tomorrow to attempt another recovery
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[14:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[15:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
[15:24] <Laurenceb> ~steverand@05465f3e.skybroadband.com
[15:24] <Laurenceb> what would BT say
[15:29] <Laurenceb> https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/
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[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO8
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[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO0 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO0
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO1
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO2
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO3 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO3
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO4 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO4
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO6
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO9
[16:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO5 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO5
[16:20] <fsphil> ooooh
[16:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO7
[16:23] <daveake> There, that's better :p
[16:25] <fsphil> aah, I was expecting OO7
[16:26] <daveake> These trackers do get timing from each other
[16:26] <daveake> You could say that they are bonded
[16:33] <michal_f> someone's spamming space and ether ;P
[16:34] <michal_f> OO8 missing ?
[16:34] <daveake> That was first
[16:34] <michal_f> ah, there it is
[16:35] <fsphil> you'd need a goldeneye to see it
[16:37] <daveake> I expect it to fly
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[19:00] <AndyEsser> Octohabby?
[19:02] <AndyEsser> lets try this airspy thing again now I'm at home and have a decent antenna and a freshly flashed sd card
[19:02] <fsphil> skyfall
[19:02] <AndyEsser> fsphil: doh
[19:02] <AndyEsser> how id i iss that one
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[19:03] <AndyEsser> err
[19:03] <fsphil> Fly Another Day
[19:03] <fsphil> I'll stop now
[19:03] <AndyEsser> apparently keyboard is having issues
[19:03] <AndyEsser> someone is doing night circuits at the airfield
[19:03] <AndyEsser> bastards
[19:03] <daveake> Diamond Yagis Are Forever
[19:03] <AndyEsser> :D
[19:07] <Vaizki> Treeraker
[19:18] <AndyEsser> prog: what's an Oud?
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[19:19] <prog> AndyEsser: a music instrument like a guitar
[19:20] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[19:20] <prog> hey, you found my upload on soundcloud?
[19:20] <prog> that's me playing
[19:20] <AndyEsser> I did not - but you just RT'd a tweet of mine and it's in the description of your twitter bio :)
[19:20] <AndyEsser> so thought I'd ask :)
[19:20] <prog> ah
[19:21] <prog> yep
[19:25] <Vaizki> looks a lot like a lute
[19:29] <prog> it is a lute
[19:29] <prog> the name was deformed over the ages
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[19:52] <AndyEsser> prog: FYI this now works on my Pi
[19:52] <AndyEsser> sudo airspy_rx -r /dev/null
[19:52] <AndyEsser> thanks
[19:58] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS18
[19:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Binxian, Harbin, Heilongjiang, China 10(45.80261,127.29166) at 0312104 meters about 0315 hours ago
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[21:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP1
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[22:05] <tkerby> If I was going to play with some Pico balloon launches, what is the cheapest Lora tracker option? Being in Edinburgh there is a good chance they go out to sea or are lost in the hills
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[22:32] <Ian_> tkerby if they go out to sea, then the launch window wasn't optimum. If they go to the hills, then similar or you need to get your walking boots out. Don't plan on losing packages by default.
[22:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[22:33] <Ian_> I do appreciate your problem though.
[22:33] <tkerby> Ian_: I thought the picos were very hard to predict with the float. May be better going for a 100g latex as it should still fall within the CAA rules
[22:34] <Ian_> Ahhh, I guess that Pico was the word I was missing and by inference float. Not all do of course.
[22:35] <mfa298> it's certainly possible to have the qualtex picos burst, you just need to add a bit more gas
[22:37] <mfa298> tkerby: it may be worth getting an hourly prediction setup based on what you might want to launch, best to ask in #habhub for that with location, ascent and descent rates and burst altitude
[22:38] <mfa298> in terms of hardware minimum would be a microcontroller, gps and radio transmitter.
[22:39] <mfa298> radio transmitter would be a lora module if you want lora, or you can use soemthing suitable for sending rtty and use an ssb receiver and dl-fldigi to receive it
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[22:44] <Ian_> I would think that the cheapest route might be via an appropriate RFM98W module, Atmega328P_pu chip or Arduino mini/nano and a uBLOX MAX-M8Q SAW/LNA Breakout With Sarantel Antenna from Uputronix along with a 70cm Ernie Ball #3 Guitar string 1/4 wave antenna. For the ground station side, a half decent 70cm antenna Watson W30/ Diamond X50 or better, a Raspberry Pi3 and Raspberry Pi+ LoRa(TM) Expansion Board, again from Uputronics
[22:45] <tkerby> Happy to design / build but was wondering if there are any small open Pcb designs out there as it would make life easier for a first launch. A lot of boards seem to be more commercial
[22:46] <tkerby> Ground station is sorted - I have a few options now there. Running some code for the ESP8266 that uploads to habitat
[22:46] <Ian_> Pretty much the go to one-stop-HAB electonics shop of choice. That takes care of the balloon and base station. For chasing, a magmount whip is a good general antenna and maybe a small yagi if you want to get among the trees and hills.
[22:47] <tkerby> Got loads of ham radio gear so well and truly sorted for antennas!
[22:47] <daveake> For anyone after a magmount, Moonraker have them under £10 in their BF sale
[22:47] <Ian_> Are you a licenced AR operator? Not necessary, but it helps with some of the concepts and likely available kit - well that question was already asked eh!
[22:47] <Ian_> G0PAI here
[22:48] <tkerby> Certainly am - MM0TKE
[22:48] <Ian_> Moonraker pricing is generally quite keen. They do an alternative to the X50 that also beats the W30 on price.
[22:51] <daveake> I finally got hold of an 868 collinear for my lora 868 flights
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[22:52] <Ian_> I have a 5-ele 868 yagi. We will see how that does when you fly 868 next, then upgrade to something better and use the 5-ele for chase.
[22:53] <daveake> 868 might well happen pretty soon
[22:53] <daveake> I've got permission for flights from Sun to Tues
[22:53] <Ian_> Noted. I'll be listening . . . it took me an awful long time :(
[22:54] <Ian_> There have been myriad divertions along the way of course.
[22:55] <daveake> Sunday might be a tad windy to launch ... the prediction is above my usual max however a) it's from the NE so there's cover, and b) ground-level wind predictions aren't very reliable
[22:55] <daveake> Tuesday is looking very nice - sun and no wind
[22:56] <daveake> I have these TDM trackers to fly, plus an SSDV 868 flight with a Nikon compact taking the photos for SSDV
[22:57] <daveake> Hopefully will get both up
[22:57] <Ian_> The beauty of LoRa is that I can leave it running - currently borrowing my W300 antenna for 70. Tuesday is likely to be the better bet with so much gear playing hide and seek in the wind.
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[23:01] <tkerby> daveake: what's the Uavanut board your flex code uses? I saw a picture from irc logs and it looks ideal but couldn't find any more detail
[23:02] <daveake> It's one of Upu's non-commercial boards
[23:03] Action: Upu waves
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:06] <tkerby> Upu: got any details online? Looks ideal to build for a pico launch
[23:06] <Upu> its probably a little heavy for a pico
[23:06] <Upu> they arer about 30g each with a battery
[23:07] <Upu> but its really not complex, boost regulator, AVR, GPS with chip antenna and an RFM radio
[23:08] <Upu> right I'm off night all
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[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Upu: night
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03tricky_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=tricky_chase
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