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[05:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[06:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats cool rsp2 released! http://www.sdrplay.com/products/
[06:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.sdrplay.com/docs/RSP2_Datasheet.pdf
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[07:00] <Vaizki> nice
[07:01] <Vaizki> 24MHz ext reference.. why 24?
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[07:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> rsp1 have 24 ref the software is calculated on24
[07:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> u can dig into Mirix datasheet and find out
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[07:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-2 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-2
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[07:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: yep the MSI2500 requiers a 24Mhz reference http://www.mirics.com/MSi2500%20Datasheet%20R1P1.pdf
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[07:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-P28 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P28
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[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
[08:20] <gonzo_> bugger. A flight today and I am one connection short of having RF to a radio
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[08:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> pse approve a01f014068bbaec16a7ea244085b76fc
[08:21] <gonzo_> ask in #habhub
[08:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BDBC7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BDBC7
[08:22] <gonzo_> ah ok, you did
[08:22] <gonzo_> at least with a payload doc registered you will be on the maps
[08:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> gonzo_: i know :-)
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[08:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> SP9UOB-Tom: frreq?
[08:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> SA6BSS-Mike: 144.251 USB
[08:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[08:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> qualatex foil, with 5.3 gram payload
[08:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> it does not transmit very often because of low sun elevation
[08:32] <Vaizki> I would have said send it up here but even less sun...
[08:33] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1es0Qt5zQ_E may amuse.
[08:33] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: I have no way of tracking payloads atm and it makes me sad
[08:33] <SpeedEvil> Electricity from moonlight, when there is no sun.
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[08:33] <SpeedEvil> (not much, admittedly)
[08:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> SpeedEvil: yeah, jost have to lift 28 square meters of solar panels under qualatex balloon ;-)
[08:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> just*
[08:35] <SpeedEvil> :)
[08:35] <SpeedEvil> Though Laurenceb has a mad scheme involving thermal heat from earth
[08:35] <SpeedEvil> And a peltier - the numbers seem to work
[08:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, time to go to work :-)
[08:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> cu later
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[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZL1AB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZL1AB
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[09:01] <AndyEsser> right Pi 3 ordered... finally finish putting together my Airspy + Antenna + Pi automated listening station thingy doo dah
[09:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:06] <AndyEsser> and find out December 7th/8th whether I get the office in Bangor :)
[09:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR9NKO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR9NKO
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[09:17] <gonzo_> I'm trying to get allk my switching together so I can route all the receiovers/tranceivers to the avail antennas, including the lora pi
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[10:08] <AndyEsser> how does one print an rray to the command line in python?
[10:23] <adamgreig> print(x)
[10:24] <AndyEsser> ta
[10:25] <AndyEsser> managed to figure out our logging library is actually not as stupid as I thought and nicely expands the array :)
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[11:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[12:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR0FLY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY
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[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VA2RMG-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
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[14:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4MOJ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4MOJ-11
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[14:37] <AndyEsser> right, brain isn't functioning
[14:37] <AndyEsser> need a simple C/C++ snippet that is guaranteed to make a static analyser fail
[14:37] <AndyEsser> (specifically cppcheck in this instance)
[14:40] <fsphil> if(++i == ++i) ++i; ?
[14:41] <adamgreig> haha
[14:42] <adamgreig> i++ + ++i
[14:42] <fsphil> my eyes
[14:42] <adamgreig> (((((i >= i) << i) >> i) <= i))
[14:43] <adamgreig> int i[1]; 1[i]++;
[14:44] <mfa298> that's almost getting into perl territory for unreadable code
[14:44] <adamgreig> more where that came from
[14:45] <fsphil> seen that first one before. not sure it's undefined
[14:45] <adamgreig> i++ + ++1?
[14:45] <AndyEsser> o good lord chaps
[14:46] <fsphil> er, second one
[14:46] <fsphil> I erased that first one from my memory
[14:46] <adamgreig> the second one depends on the initial value of i
[14:46] <fsphil> but i is always i
[14:46] <AndyEsser> int* data = new int;
[14:46] <AndyEsser> *int = 15;
[14:46] <AndyEsser> return
[14:46] <AndyEsser> problem solved ;)
[14:46] <fsphil> i >= i is always 1
[14:47] <adamgreig> yes, and 1<<i might exceed the size of an int
[14:47] <fsphil> ah yes
[14:47] <fsphil> missed that
[14:47] <adamgreig> overshifting is UB
[14:47] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: I think int i[1]; return 1[i]; is shorter and neater
[14:48] <adamgreig> yours uses dynamic memory allocation! and C++
[14:48] <adamgreig> and the most you'll get is the static checker whining about not freeing the memory
[14:48] <AndyEsser> it's a C++ project :P
[14:48] <fsphil> woo, fedora 25's out
[14:48] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: true, but the test was mainly just to see if the static analyser would kick in and fail the build if it detects an issue :)
[14:49] <fsphil> it's code like this that'll cause robots in a theme park to go crazy some day
[14:50] <russss> static checker should also detect "int i; if (i = 1){}" which is a bit less horrendous than some of adamgreig's ideas :P
[14:50] <adamgreig> yea but gcc will detect that itself
[14:50] <adamgreig> and clang
[14:51] <russss> oh yeah, wait, it's 2016 now
[14:51] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: that was my main issue... clang was doing too good a job itself
[14:51] <AndyEsser> ha
[14:51] <russss> pretty sure I remember the days when GCC didn't pick that up
[14:51] <adamgreig> yea
[14:51] <adamgreig> only relatively recently
[14:52] <adamgreig> gcc still needs -Wall
[14:53] <AndyEsser> speaking of
[14:53] <AndyEsser> suggested compile flags?
[14:53] <AndyEsser> I have -Wall -Wextra -Werror set
[14:53] <gonzo_> if ( (i == n) && fn( &i ) )
[14:53] <adamgreig> -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic -Werror -std=c89 -march=native
[14:53] <adamgreig> ;)
[14:53] <russss> hah
[14:53] <gonzo_> wouldn'y mind if I handn't actually seen that recenbtly
[14:54] <adamgreig> (-ggdb or -O3 etc)
[14:54] <fsphil> :/
[14:55] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: might drop that -std one ;)
[14:55] <russss> for my sins I've been writing Go recently and I've been pretty impressed with the vim plugin/compiler/typechecking integration
[14:56] <AndyEsser> GAH
[14:56] <AndyEsser> back away from the Go
[14:56] <adamgreig> modern languages have such better tooling
[14:56] <AndyEsser> fucking horrific language
[14:56] <adamgreig> go and rust are such leagues ahead of open source c/c++ options
[14:56] <adamgreig> packaging and dependencies and build systems and editor integration and all the rest of it
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[15:00] <PE2BZ> !flights
[15:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Epsom Distance 10(da86), 03Forrest Hill Primary School 10(b38f), 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[15:01] <russss> part of the reason for using Go for this project was that it has a TLS library which is modern and isn't openssl
[15:01] <russss> I think that's coming in rust but isn't there yet
[15:02] <adamgreig> yea, atm rust's tls is all linking against the various c options aiui
[15:02] <adamgreig> though they're not all openssl at least
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[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is BDBC7 a Pico or just underfilled ?
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its a distance challenge!
[15:24] <gonzo_> the challenge limits them to pico
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[15:28] <Upu> !dial da86
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(da86): 03434.400528 MHz, 434.4 MHz, 434.4005 MHz
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[16:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial Epsom Distance
[16:15] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[16:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial BDBC7
[16:15] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Latest dials for 03Epsom College Final 10(da86): 03434.39979 MHz, 434.401 MHz, 434.4 MHz, 434.400608 MHz
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[16:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO2 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO2
[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO3 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO3
[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO4 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO4
[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO5 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO5
[17:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO6 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO6
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO7
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO8
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO0 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO0
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OO1 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO1
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OO9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OO9
[17:51] <pb0ahx> !flights
[17:51] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Epsom Distance 10(da86), 03Forrest Hill Primary School 10(b38f), 03PICO-28 144.251 ctstia32/1000 10(76fc), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[17:54] <pb0ahx> go al the 10 balloons flying today ??
[17:55] <daveake> hah no
[17:55] <daveake> 1 balloon 10 trackers being tested on Sunday
[17:55] <pb0ahx> ok tnx info
[17:56] <pb0ahx> than i go back writing satellietes
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[19:38] <Harvy> Hi I wanted to ask a qustion about the pits shield. I wanted to know what the last two variables before the callsign are used for?
[19:38] <Harvy> So I have: $$CHANGEME,347,19:41:58,53.48425,-2.23625,00037,0,0,11,33.1,0.0,0.000*0A83
[19:38] <Harvy> and i've worked out most of them from the payload docs for pisky
[19:39] <Harvy> nvm dave has answered.
[19:39] <daveake> see http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
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[19:40] <daveake> Pretty sure it's in the manual also
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[19:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ZL1AB after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZL1AB
[19:57] <Harvy> The manual has an example of the rtty string but not what each value is.
[20:08] <Kryczek> Hi! Has anyone here by any chance found a good SIM for data logging and the like? Ideally one that you could load with £10 for example and it would last for a long time, not a plan that forces you to pay several pounds every week or month :)
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[20:17] <mfa298> Kryczek: if this is for use on a balloon to send back telemetry you may want to consider if that is the best method.
[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Your aware that cell phones won't work much above 1-2Km?
[20:17] <mfa298> mobile networks are optimized for devices held 1-2m above the ground. They tend to stop working above 1-2km and often don't have good coverage in a ditch.
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[20:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Also the GPS won't be in a flight mode so will fail above 12Km
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[20:24] <Harvy> Kryczek, I use 3 http://www.three.co.uk/Store/Pay_As_You_Go_Price_Plans
[20:24] <Harvy> but as mentioned by others here, we used it for one flight and it didn't work well.
[20:25] <Harvy> Even when the payload landed, the phone didn't text messages until we picked it up and were on the motorway back. Pretty useless in remote areas.
[20:25] <mfa298> heh just looked at a different channel I'm in and it looks like he's asking te same thing in lots of places
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[20:38] <Kryczek> mfa298: not for a balloon but this channel is full of insight so I thought someone would know; I should have mentioned that it was for ground use indeed
[20:38] <Kryczek> ah Harvy left before I could thank him
[20:38] <Kryczek> anyway, thanks everyone :)
[20:40] <Kryczek> mfa298: "lots of places"... I asked just in #raspberrypi where I was initially told there was no use asking there, and here.
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[22:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS3 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS3
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[23:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:21] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Cowichan Valley, BC, Canada 10(48.80861,-123.79715) at 0312129 meters about 036 days ago
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