highaltitude.log.20161107

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[00:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TI2CVJ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TI2CVJ
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[01:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[07:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-14 after 0319 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
[07:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like it have circeld the globe and is now over UK
[07:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> hb9fdk-14
[07:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=3&qm=All&mc=49.88325,-44.01225&q=hb9fdk-14
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[08:09] <fsphil> oh another one. pico repeller is failing
[08:09] <fsphil> looks like it went right over Upu
[08:09] <fsphil> aprs *ahem*
[08:09] <Upu> heh
[08:10] Action: Upu starts singing NWA songs
[08:12] <Darkside_> airborne APRS in the UK eh :P
[08:20] Action: fsphil waits for all the UKs radio infrastructure to collapse
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[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ER1TUM/AM after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER1TUM%2FAM
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[09:02] <zawin> Hi there! Is there someone who can approve our next flight GOSPACE-LoRa2 ? Thanks!
[09:03] <daveake> Try in #habhub
[09:03] <daveake> Post the flight doc ID there
[09:04] <zawin> Doc ID: a5c26152b797a77b5068f0b63b7f9c21
[09:05] <daveake> You need to /join #habhub and post the ID there, not here
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[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GOSPACE after 0316 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GOSPACE
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[10:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC4 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
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[10:35] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:35] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03DIXON 10(fd9c), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[10:41] <pb0ahx> !payload BARC4
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03BARC4 10(fd9c) 03$$BARC4 - 03PITS Test - 03434.45 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:11] <pb0ahx> GM all
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[11:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[11:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> BARC burst
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[11:59] <pb0ahx> i writing nill from BARC4 today to weakly here
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[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC5
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[12:34] <gonzo_> !flights
[12:34] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo_: Current flights: 03DIXON 10(fd9c), 03GOSPACE-LoRa2 10(9c21), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[12:48] <Vaizki> probably everyone else already checked these out but.. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Orange-Pi-Zero-H2-Quad-Core-Open-source-512MB-development-board-beyond-Raspberry-Pi/1553371_32761500374.html
[12:48] <Vaizki> and best of all, thousands of them in stock
[12:54] <mfa298> and allwinner so crappy drivers, gpl violations and likely limited support.
[12:55] <adamgreig> meh, the CHIPs are allwinner but drivers all work flawlessly in stock linux kernel, which is more than you can say for broadcaom/rpi
[12:59] <mfa298> I think the Pi has everything (or almost everythign) in the mainline kernel now (although post 4.4 which I tihnk they're currently shipping on raspbian)
[13:02] <mfa298> CHIP seem to be moving that way, although I think they're still working on decent hardware gpu acceleration (I know they pushed some stuff for pocketchip recently)
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[13:09] <adamgreig> why is the orangepi a blue pcb...
[13:09] <adamgreig> i do enjoy the funny angle of the ics
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[13:37] <Laurenceb_> uh oh
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kgKijo-p0ibm94VUY0TVktQlU/view
[13:39] <AndyEsser> is it something to do with nasa spaceflight forum?
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> yes
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> poor quality data is poor quality
[13:39] Action: AndyEsser doesn't open link
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[13:43] Action: BitEvil sort of wants to contribute to a kickstarter to let someone try this on orbit on the condition they'll just shut up if there is a null result
[13:44] <AndyEsser> BitEvil: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a22678/em-drive-cannae-cubesat-reactionless/
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[13:44] <Laurenceb_> thrust is nonlinear with power
[13:44] <BitEvil> i know.
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> look legit
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> /s
[13:44] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/8418462/?grossPrice=Y&cm_mmc=UK-GDN-_-google-_-1_UK_GDN_Rmkt_RS_AB-_-Rmkt_RS_Cart_AB&mkwid=c_dc|pcrid|96726039186|pkw||pmt||prd|&gclid=CLjVueHjltACFc8y0wodGHMCaA
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> Does it come with a faceplant warranty?
[13:46] <Laurenceb_> haha brilliant
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Random stuff that pops up on RS banner ads.
[13:48] <AndyEsser> friend works in an office that has one of those
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> arg wut figure 19
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> through creative fudges they make it look linear
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> At least they're not actively hurting people.
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> heh
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> My ire on bad studies is constrained these days to crappy medical ones that actively hurt people.
[13:57] Action: Laurenceb_ looks around innocently
[13:57] <Laurenceb_> talking of which I have to get some work done, bbl
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[15:30] <Laurenceb> nice https://www.iter.org/img/crop-2000-90/all/content/com/gallery/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway/tf_f4e_impregcoil.jpg
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[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Shortly after this picture, the sacrifices were performed, and the floor ran with blood.
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[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[15:34] <Laurenceb> I think you mean bazillions of euros
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ER1TUM/AM after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ER1TUM%2FAM
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[16:28] <G0WXI> fsphil & daveake, G6KNN highlighted the fact I'm uploading RPF-2 packets, sorry about this, this isn't my payload, I'm just north of Cambridge, but have left my gateway on from a previous flight. I will turn it off when I get home this eve.
[16:34] <fsphil> no worries :)
[16:34] <fsphil> it was just slowing the page down a bit
[16:35] <fsphil> interesting, so you accidently received someone testing a payload?
[16:44] <G0WXI> yes, which is good going for a payload I assume is indoors, I am in Waterbeach, about 3-4 miles north of the payload
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[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WO9N-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WO9N-7
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[18:12] <PE2BZ> daveake nice pictures !
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[18:42] <fsphil> indeed
[18:43] <fsphil> PE2BZ: what's the building that has the orange/yellow lights on?
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[18:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8CIF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8CIF-11
[18:47] <fsphil> daveake: radio tower in that last image? wonder how far away it is
[18:53] <daveake> Dunno but I'll see if I can find out :)
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[19:25] <PE2BZ> fsphil they are glass houses, the one on the left grows Chrysantheum and the one on the right grows tomatoes.
[19:27] <PE2BZ> https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Pieter+van+der+Lugt+B.V./@52.0002392,4.2363535,3a,75y,226.6h,79.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJRdDLNJZ2bYhrAUCGb02MQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DJRdDLNJZ2bYhrAUCGb02MQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D13.302588%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47c5b252a17b5d31:0x9da01ff11c3079cb!2sMiddel+Broekweg+29,+26
[19:27] <PE2BZ> 75+KB+Honselersdijk!3b1!8m2!3d51.9984562!4d4.2289347!3m4!1s0x0:0xe9798d0b72c4cb3a!8m2!3d51.9998458!4d4.2340688?hl=en puts you between the glass houses, and if you turn around you can see the grow lights
[19:28] <PE2BZ> https://goo.gl/maps/8xi9jJxiMoC2 short url might work better
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[19:33] <roland> hey i am trying to do a raspberry pi in the sky type project but the package wa not available so i dont know to much about the gps and tracking aspect if anyone can help?
[19:33] <roland> not sure what to buy
[19:34] <PE2BZ> Good evening. Depends a little on your goal. Just need a tracker, or need a tracker with transmitting images ?
[19:36] <daveake> Whereabouts are you ?
[19:36] <roland> ok so i want to record video through the raspberry pi and just need to track the payload to retrieve the video
[19:36] <roland> new jersey
[19:37] <daveake> First thing then is that you'll need to get an amateur radio licence - the basic "technician" level - which is easy - is enough
[19:38] <daveake> PITS transmits in the 434MHz band but for USA it's helpful to add the APRS board so that you can be tracked by the USA APRS network
[19:39] <daveake> As for video, you'd need to write your own camera script to (say) take 10-minute video segments, but that's trivial.
[19:40] <daveake> You'll probably need a 32GB SD card so you don't run out of space
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[19:40] <roland> ok awesome
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[19:41] <roland> im knew to raspberry pi and only know a tad of coding but i have friends willing to help out with coding
[19:41] <roland> the hardware is where im not sure what to purchase
[19:41] <roland> so ive seen to get a .5 m antenna
[19:41] <daveake> there's no coding needed - just a very simple 3-line (at a guess) script to record video
[19:42] <daveake> Well the payload end is the pits kit plus the aprs add-on
[19:42] <roland> the pits kit isnt available until late november so i was looking to kinda build my own
[19:43] <daveake> For receiving, many options. Cheapest is a TV SDR which can be used to decode the PITS 434 signal or the APRS signal
[19:43] <daveake> Well the h/w is open-source, linked from the pits site
[19:46] <roland> i tried to find the gps hardware used on the pits kit and find the same or something comparable
[19:46] <roland> but i dont have enough knowledge on what to purchase
[19:46] <roland> i have everything else planned besides tracking
[19:48] <daveake> It's just a ublox GPS, connected via i2c or serial or USB. The s/w handles any of those.
[19:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[19:50] <roland> ok awesome. Thank you so much!
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[19:59] <skinoku> good evening everyone!
[20:00] <skinoku> I was wondering if the predictor HABHUB will ever be updated to support predictions for launches in the past?
[20:01] <skinoku> For example, if I launched a balloon 1 hour ago and it's still flying i'd like to get the prevision for the landing site also if the launch happened in the past
[20:03] <mfa298> skinoku: if your flight data is beign sent to the tracker (tracker.habhub.org) then there should be a live prediction on there for a flyign payload.
[20:04] <mfa298> not sure there's much support for past predictions though. I suspect that adds complexity as it may then need to start using older wind datasets (which can be quite large)
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[20:05] <skinoku> mfa298: yeah, but not for any time in the past, maybe the last 180 hours
[20:06] <adamgreig> there are no plans for predictions in the past
[20:06] <adamgreig> it's possible we could allow predictions for any time in the current dataset, which would give you a few hours back
[20:06] <adamgreig> but if you launched 1 hour ago you can run a prediction from its current position to see where it will land
[20:06] <adamgreig> and that's better than running a new one from the launch site
[20:07] <fsphil> I wonder what percentage of rtl dvb receivers are used for dvb
[20:10] <skinoku> fsphil: hahaha
[20:11] <skinoku> adamgreig: thanks, so i'll set the current balloon telemetry as start point and run predictions (lat, lon and height
[20:12] <adamgreig> yep
[20:13] <skinoku> adamgreig: thanks!!
[20:14] <Geoff_G8DHE> If you click the Shadow of the balloon on the tracker you can cut and paste the details into the predictor as well.
[20:15] <skinoku> another question; in my area there's not coverage from habub.org at all...
[20:15] <Geoff_G8DHE> You need to get some Listeners in your area then!
[20:15] <skinoku> any way to improve it with DVB stick as I already do for FlightRadar24?
[20:16] <Geoff_G8DHE> Yes the sticks will tune which ever band you plan to use and then feed the results into dl-fldigi to capture the data
[20:17] <skinoku> Geoff_G8DHE: ok, I'm the director of _
[20:17] <skinoku> School's tech lab, we'll build a receiver server soon I hope!
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[20:18] <Geoff_G8DHE> If you have some amateur radio clubs in your area (where are you ?) then they might help out as well ..
[20:18] <skinoku> We could use SDR# with Virtual Audio Cable as well as the software you described
[20:18] <Geoff_G8DHE> Yes thats a common combination
[20:19] <Geoff_G8DHE> or SDR-Radio http://v2.sdr-radio.com/
[20:19] <skinoku> Geoff_G8DHE: yes, i'm applying for getting my ham radio license, i live in north Italy and I personally know the meteorologist that launch these HABs
[20:20] <Geoff_G8DHE> You might be suprised how many amateurs and other trackers will pop up once a flight is pulished as well
[20:21] <Geoff_G8DHE> Published *
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[20:22] <richardeoin> I've not seen many Italians though :-(
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[20:23] <richardeoin> afik airbourne APRS isn't allowed in Italy, so more 434MHz recievers there would be <3
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[20:24] <skinoku> Geoff_G8DHE: richardeoin if I understood well, with one tracking station I can only monitor a single frequency at a time, right (the nearest launch site)
[20:26] <skinoku> In order to setup the software you linked dl-fldigi, I have to subscribe to HabHub in some way or it's all automatic?
[20:28] <richardeoin> skinoku: yes, single frequency
[20:30] <skinoku> richardeoin: thanks!
[20:30] <richardeoin> dl-fldigi sends to habhub by default too, if it's in "Hab mode"
[20:34] <Vaizki> our version of ofcom (viestintävirasto) just announced today that they are adding 155MHz tracking devices for huntibg dogs etc
[20:34] <Vaizki> arf! adding them to license free list of radio transmitters
[20:35] <Vaizki> 2W with 10% duty cycle
[20:38] <mfa298> fsphil: I've used one of my rtl dvb dongles for dvb (tvheadend on a Pi)
[20:41] <Geoff_G8DHE> Doesn't have to be single frequency SDR-Radio supports mutlipile VFO's I ooften run 6 simultaenously and can monitor 6 HAB's at one time if needed!
[20:43] <richardeoin> Geoff_G8DHE: true
[20:43] <richardeoin> although that's definitely advanced usage
[20:44] <Geoff_G8DHE> It can get a bit hectic ;-)
[20:44] <richardeoin> how do you setup all the virtual audio cable things?
[20:45] <Geoff_G8DHE> You can set up as many channels as you want in VAC, I have 6 defined along with 12 serial channels to let dl-fldigi control each VFO in SDR-Radio
[20:45] <Geoff_G8DHE> 2 channels 1 for each direction as virtual serial ports
[20:45] <richardeoin> nice
[20:46] <Geoff_G8DHE> Not often needed but handy when it is!
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[20:50] <udat> ahh multiple VFO's would be handy
[20:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> there is in sdr-console
[20:57] <udat> not handy enough for me to install windows though :)
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[21:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh, ok
[21:03] <udat> got a messy setup of splitters amplifiers dongles and multiple instances instead
[21:04] <udat> which is horrible to set up so i'm not rebooting ever
[21:04] <udat> :)
[21:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> I know what that :) running qrss and wspr on 80 40 30 from the rsp/sdr console and playing around with wspr on 630m with hdsdr + rtl v3
[21:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> have started to make some bat files for faster startup of all telemetry
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[21:22] <udat> yeah just altered the serial device names to all be unique to at least allow those to be static in the configurations
[21:22] <udat> when have 3/4 transmitters connected, their numbers getting mixed up because you unplugged something leads to bad things happening
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[23:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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