highaltitude.log.20161029

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[00:37] <Laurenceb_> http://www.seagulluav.com/shop/ this looks very interesting
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[00:46] <SpeedEvil> what for?
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> I see bits, but no specific things
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[06:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-rs41 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
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[07:49] <Vaizki> !whereis UBSEDS18
[07:49] <Vaizki> hmpf
[07:51] <Vaizki> well tracker ui started working, its north of japan on the usual asia exit line
[07:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hms1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hms1
[07:53] <jcoxon> !whereis UBSEDS18
[07:53] <SpacenearUS> 03jcoxon: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Russia 10(47.93882,145.79394) at 0311973 meters about 036 hours ago
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[08:03] <Vaizki> ty, iphone typing extra spaces :)
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[09:00] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03RS41 APRS test 10(0c64), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ2ODE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2ODE_chase
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[10:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[10:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03europa1553_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=europa1553_chase
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[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Do we have HMS1 fliglight doc ?ht ? I assume its a LoRa from the lack of detail on the
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flights
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Current flights: 03RS41 APRS test 10(0c64), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight 3313
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:04] <mfa298> .id 1081
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03HMS1 10(b6705e028376e2ae2df3048eeb471081) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/b6705e028376e2ae2df3048eeb471081
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03hms1
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> Last parsed: 03an hour ago
[11:05] <mfa298> hmm, doesn't say anything that useful
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nope!
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nothing on the list either
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[11:07] <mfa298> it's early tomorrow morning from what he said on #habhub last night. 0430-0500 luanch window on their exemtion from CAA
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Does anyone know what is happening with habitat development I wonder if LoRa details will be included ?
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> He pops in occasionally but never stays
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial hms1
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03HMS1 10(3313): none
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ping torntrousers
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[11:30] <MarkIreland> Hey guys, not HAB related but I know someone will know this. I'm trying to decode my wireless 433 Worcester thermostat - I've captured this but question is how should I be reading it? Highs and lows representing 0 & 1 or the length (short =0, long =1)
[11:30] <MarkIreland> http://imgur.com/a/JMRXU
[11:32] <Vaizki> imgur gives ne error
[11:33] <MarkIreland> http://imgur.com/a/JMRXU
[11:33] <MarkIreland> really, hmm
[11:33] <MarkIreland> I'll upload again
[11:33] <Vaizki> I get a spaceship and raccoon error :)
[11:33] <russss> MarkIreland: you might want to try this if you have an RTL-SDR https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433
[11:34] <MarkIreland> http://imgur.com/a/lN3mu
[11:34] <MarkIreland> I do have an SDR - looks good russss thank you!
[11:35] <mfa298> MarkIreland: potentially timing, or order of the high and low. At least one of the IR protocols sends 01 for one state and 10 for the other.
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[11:36] <Vaizki> based on that waveform I would guess that the preamble establishes timing, then for each cycle if the level changes, it's a 0, if it doesn't change it's a 1 .. or reversed
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[11:36] <MarkIreland> preamble being high->low 12 times?
[11:37] <russss> yeah
[11:37] <russss> it's OOK, I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-off_keying
[11:37] <Vaizki> well I would imagine the 2 cycles of high and 2 of low are also part of the preamble
[11:37] <mfa298> looks a bit similar to manchester encoding as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_code
[11:38] <russss> could be
[11:38] <Vaizki> you should capture 2 packets with the temperature 0.1°C apart
[11:39] <russss> but your preamble there looks to be 10101010 10101100, two bytes.
[11:39] <russss> two bytes is kind of standard
[11:39] <MarkIreland> This thermostat only does on and off
[11:39] <MarkIreland> Ok
[11:39] <Vaizki> russss: as I said the 11 and 00 are part of it
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[11:39] <Vaizki> you need to know when the preamble ends.. :)
[11:40] <Vaizki> wait it just sends on / off codes?
[11:40] <MarkIreland> Yes the thermostat just tells the boiler when to turn on and when to turn off
[11:40] <MarkIreland> This is the 'on' signal
[11:41] <MarkIreland> I'll do this again for the off signal which I have also captured
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[11:43] <Vaizki> cheers.. I gotta run to get a drain de-clogging apparatus, poopy water is invading my basement :O
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[11:44] <MarkIreland> thanks for your help Vaizki
[11:46] <Vaizki> btw where was that trace from?
[11:46] <Vaizki> output from a receiver?
[11:46] <Vaizki> here is the encoding I was thinking of.. explained.. http://ala-paavola.fi/jaakko/doku.php?id=wt450h
[11:47] <MarkIreland> http://www.stevenhale.co.uk/main/2013/07/making-a-soundcard-logic-analyser/
[11:47] <MarkIreland> I've made one of thes
[11:47] <MarkIreland> these
[11:47] <Vaizki> yes but where is the input signal coming from?
[11:47] <Vaizki> clearly not an antenna
[11:48] <MarkIreland> I've made one of those soundcard logic analysers and then its picking up the signal from the original thermostate
[11:48] <MarkIreland> thermostat
[11:48] <Vaizki> picking up how.. you wired it up to the transmitter?
[11:49] <MarkIreland> Ah sorry - one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cheap-RF-433mhz-transmitter-reciever-set-arduino-/262653847087?hash=item3d2763a62f:g:uVcAAOSwFdtXySAn
[11:50] <MarkIreland> So yeah it is over an antenna
[11:50] <MarkIreland> But they are very close
[11:51] <Vaizki> ah ok so probably FM modulated on the air and that thing recovers the bit stream.. well you're pretty much set to just try and see which encodings could be possible :)
[11:51] <Vaizki> but now, hardware store calls&
[11:52] <russss> you definitely seem to have bits there
[11:52] <MarkIreland> The idea is to replay the bits from an arduino/pi to link into the rest of the home automation system
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[11:54] <MarkIreland> I think I have it
[11:56] <pb0ahx> !dial hms1
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03HMS1 10(3313): none
[11:56] <pb0ahx> !payload hms1
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03HMS1 10(3313) 03$$hms1 - no transmissions
[11:57] <MarkIreland> back after lunch
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S4
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[12:52] <russss> fwiw I'm just hooking one of these into the wired thermostat loop https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-sv.html
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N2NXZ-12 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ-12
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[13:15] <MarkIreland> Thanks russss, this house I've just moved into doesn't have a wired loop at all. But this looks very useful elsewhere so thanks. Have to head out now - thanks for your help
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[13:16] <russss> MarkIreland: you might be able to find one inside the boiler though, and it should be easily (and invisibly) reversible
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[13:16] <russss> (I own my house so I don't really care but I was aiming for minimal faff.)
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W3EAX-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3EAX-8
[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W3EAX-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W3EAX-12
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[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial hms1
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03HMS1 10(3313): none
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[13:35] <torntrousers__> Hi. Over on #habhub mfa298 suggested I sy something about our upcoming balloon launch on Sunday. Its at 4:30am tomorrow launching from North London https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HMS1 Using just LORA at 434MHz, sf 11, bandwidth 20k8, coding rate 4/5, explicit headers and rate optimization. Flight is predicted to be about 2.5 hours so landing about 7:30am in Kent between Maidstone and Ashford.
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[13:35] <Laurenceb_> http://nexp.tistory.com/2138
[13:35] <torntrousers__> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=4fd7f772749c5566bfe48e21d59525d966f11e98
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes that helps! Also a posting on them mail list
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[13:36] <PE2BZ> torntrousers___ tnx for info. 434 MHz exactly ?
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes just wenrt to type that in and thought the same!
[13:37] <torntrousers__> yes, last test had a receive at 433.9998
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK, that's fine then
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[14:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-13
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-11
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[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-12
[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BMV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BMV-11
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[14:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7GPS-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7GPS-12
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7GPS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7GPS-11
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[15:21] <mfa298> hmmm, isn't 434.000 outside the normal range, IR2030 seems to suggest you need to be 1mW or 10% Duty under 434.04
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[15:22] <mfa298> torntrousers: ^^^, you might want to shift the frequency up a bit if it's on 434.00MHz
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[15:41] <torntrousers> Oh. I just copied that 434 from some code on the internet somewhere. SIgh. Thats the 3rd row in the table on page 19 of ir2030 isn't it. I didn't notice that row was diff from the two above it which start at 433.05.
[15:42] <torntrousers> whats a good freq to use? Just pick a number ...?
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE_> probably best to use a 25KHz or 12.5KHz channel try 434.112.5 or similar
[15:45] <torntrousers> I don't understand the two dots in 434.112.5, is that 434.1125?
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The dutch have problems with most stuff being on 25KHz channels hence the 12.5KHz choise
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes
[15:46] <mfa298> just accept that whatever you use, someone will likely complain about there being local interferrence.
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the two dots help sometimes when reading the number off
[15:46] <torntrousers> ok. Thanks. I'll go reprogram the tracker. What can possibly go wrong at this late stage with a tiny little change like that...
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> something else using the channel near to launch site!
[15:47] <mfa298> eat plenty of bacon butties to apease the hab gods ;)
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> but you should be close enough to get over anything else ;-)
[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-11
[16:00] <torntrousers> ok done, taking the payload around the block to the launch site to check it still works ok ... https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HMS1
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[16:19] <torntrousers> seems ok so thanks for spotting that mistake.
[16:19] <torntrousers> Out of interest, what would have happened if you hadn't? Is there some government monitoring system that would have noticed i wasn't compliant as soon as the balloon went up and send the police out to find me?
[16:20] <mfa298> unlikely. Ofcom is the body responsible and they normally only react if you cause problems
[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ2ODE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2ODE_chase
[16:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> They don't react theses days until eveidence of interference, but the trouble is a Balloon does ensure great coverage!
[16:29] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff_G8DHE
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[16:54] <PE2BZ> torntrousers what is the new frequency for your payload now ?
[17:09] <Geoff_G8DHE> He went for 434.1125
[17:09] <PE2BZ> Tnx Geoff !
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[17:18] <PE2BZ> Channel 1 434.112.5 MHz
[17:18] <PE2BZ> Explicit, 20.80, SF11, EC4:5 LDRO
[17:18] <PE2BZ>
[17:18] <PE2BZ> Does that look OK ?
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[17:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KT5TK-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KT5TK-12
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[18:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Torntrousers_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Torntrousers_chase
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[18:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03scott62_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=scott62_chase
[18:39] Nick change: fl__0 -> fl_0
[18:43] <Geoff_G8DHE> Ch0: 434.112.5 MHz Explicit, 20.80, SF11, EC4:5 LDRO
[18:43] <Geoff_G8DHE> Matches mine PE2BZ
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[19:16] <DL7AD> thomas (DL4MDW) has launched one of our pecanpico8a in houston. APRS call: KT5TK-12
[19:17] <DL7AD> it has a APRS/SSDV transmission.
[19:17] <Reb-SM0ULC> cool
[19:23] <fsphil> it's not handling daylight too well
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[19:52] <DL7AD> fsphil: i think coulds are the problem
[19:52] <DL7AD> fsphil: we have everytime such problems
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[21:31] <Laurenceb_> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/128/969/114201/meta;jsessionid=462E2BA5AE52FD39C1C4BFD8E4EF475E.c2.iopscience.cld.iop.org
[21:34] <Ian_> DL7AD with attention to the precision of the temperature of course 0.40000000000001 degrees C
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[21:36] <Ian_> You would have thought that Texas might have arranged to be cloud free for your (DL7AD/KT5TK) pecanpico8a flights.
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[22:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> cloud-computing.... ;)
[22:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9MDD-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9MDD-1
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-20 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-20
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