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[04:10] <Haxxa> I am trying to decide what I want to do for my final year project - initally I was going to drop a capsule with electronics near an ocean trench and do some data logging but it seems there are few options for cameras as I would need all the electonics housed in mineral oil and the camera lens would need to consider the refraction - in any case wan t a project that is unique and not overdone
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[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9MDD-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9MDD-1
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[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-12 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-12
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[08:27] <AndyEsser> moaning
[08:28] <fsphil> brainnnsss. I mean, morning
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[09:15] <gonzo_> morning world
[09:16] <gonzo_> (technically it's only morning for a small % of the world at any time.)
[09:17] <gonzo_> and then there is the difination of whather % should be land mass or population. And what is accepted as the time boiunds of morning
[09:19] <gonzo_> how can a common greeting turn into a big debate? My brain is not my friend.
[09:29] <number10> also depends on % of population are bots
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[09:36] <gonzo_> well, there are a % who are arses. Does that count!
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[10:04] <gonzo_> the pe2bz images are all very nice, but is it going to fly at some time.
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[10:15] <daveake> soon, ish
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[10:24] <garymortimer> Best drone video of the year http://www.suasnews.com/2016/10/korean-flying-telepresence-humanoid/
[10:28] <Vaizki> Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce the first official Workbench 3.1 and Kickstart 3.1 updates in over twenty years for Classic Amiga systems. The new versions, which have have been re-built from the original source code, include a number of enhancements and bug fixes and are fully compatible with both real Amiga hardware and Classic Amiga emulation software.
[10:31] <fsphil> the boot screen isn't as nice as the original
[10:35] <fsphil> it's weird that there is still a market for these things
[10:37] <gonzo_> nostalgia and these things moving into 'vintage' status?
[10:37] <gonzo_> makes me feel very old
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[10:39] <garymortimer> I so remember wanting one as I typed away on my VIC20
[10:40] <udat_> gonzo_: bought first computer again couple of years back
[10:40] <udat_> plugged in and capacitor smoke
[10:41] <udat_> fair enough
[10:41] <udat_> as it comes with a part list and circuit diagram :D
[10:41] <fsphil> I've never seen a VIC-20 running
[10:45] <Vaizki> radar rat race on a vic.. or gorf.. mmmm...
[10:46] <Vaizki> just not the same thing on a c-64
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[10:49] <fsphil> "better" graphics :)
[10:50] <fsphil> I've too many old commodore machines. need to get rid of a few
[11:01] <dbrooke> I was going to offer you a VIC-20, I think I have several in the garage.
[11:03] Action: Vaizki watches fsphil do a complete u-turn on commodore hardware retention policies
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[11:07] <dbrooke> My solution to having too much old stuff was to get a bigger garage, possibly not the most sensible choice.
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:11] <gonzo_> the neigbour asked when I was just going to roof over the whole garden
[11:11] <Vaizki> dbrooke, yes I got a new house with 100+m2 of warm cellar space with it's own entrance
[11:11] <Vaizki> aaaaand it's full :)
[11:11] <gonzo_> mmmm, cellar.
[11:12] <Vaizki> sheds are not popular here as you can't build one in zoned areas without permission and using up allowed square footage
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Bristol_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Bristol_chase
[11:12] <Vaizki> also -30C in the wintertime
[11:13] <dbrooke> Vaizki: my garage is unheated but a cellar here would be more of a swimming pool
[11:13] <gonzo_> things are not too bad here for sheds.
[11:14] <gonzo_> I dug test holes when I moved in, they filled with water. end of idea
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[11:14] <gonzo_> otherwise, I suspect that the whole area would be undermined by now
[11:15] <Vaizki> I am on a slope.. so one end of the cellar is actually at ground level (nice for the door)
[11:18] <fsphil> Vaizki: you know me well :)
[11:18] <fsphil> dbrooke: if you're thinking of dumping them, just shout :)
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[11:19] <fsphil> I know someone who dumped a C128 :/
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N2NXZ-12 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ-12
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[11:39] <gonzo_> apparently there is no planning permission for underground stuff (within limits)
[11:40] <gonzo_> though I recall seeing some mention that below a certain depth, you can tunnel off under other people's property
[11:40] <gonzo_> But I could imagine issues with unexplained subsidence, and swimming poole emptying
[11:44] <gonzo_> -e
[11:50] <Vaizki> here at least things like limestone don't exist.. you don't have to go very deep to hit solid bedrock like granite
[11:59] <gonzo_> some work I was doing recently, I hit a layer of very hard clay. That probably explains why the land is so wet. Probably not something that I would want to dig through. Carve through, more like!
[11:59] <gonzo_> would be interesting to know how deep that goes and what is underneath
[12:02] <fsphil> there's a lot of clay here. it's fairly soft too
[12:13] <AndyEsser> I want to build an underground lair when I buy a house
[12:14] <fsphil> YES
[12:14] <fsphil> IT MUST BE DONE
[12:15] <AndyEsser> retracting roof to fly out of XMen style :P
[12:16] <fsphil> hopefully it doesn't blow up as often as the x-men house
[12:18] <AndyEsser> ha yea
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[12:18] <AndyEsser> that'd be bad
[12:22] <daveake> Or a Thunderbirds-style retracting swimming pool
[12:27] <AndyEsser> Don't be silly - far too many engineering problems to solve
[12:33] <gonzo_> I worked in an underground swimming pool witha big concrete lid that opened up. Though that probably cost more than house level budgets
[12:33] <gonzo_> also at one place with a steel room, in what was a swimming pool
[12:34] <gonzo_> that one was to shield it from background radiation to make very low level radiation measurements
[12:35] <gonzo_> personally I just like underground things. Would love to buy one of the old ROC bunkers
[12:38] <dbrooke> a couple of friends and I bid on one not far from me a few years ago but didn't get it
[12:39] <nick_> Living underground is weird.
[12:40] <nick_> I stayed in a bunker for a couple of days.
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[12:40] <fsphil> heating costs would be pretty low
[12:40] <nick_> When you leave your body gets a bit of a shock about what the time is, even if you logically know it.
[12:41] <fsphil> keeping it cool might be a bigger problem!
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[12:42] <aadamson> In case anyone else might need this - https://github.com/akadamson/Qt-LoRa-Gateway
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[12:42] <dbrooke> it was this one http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/roc/db/988306564.046003.html
[12:42] <fsphil> I had that shock once, a big storm came in and it was pitch black outside for ages. I thought it was night time. so was a bit surprised when the sun suddenly came out :)
[12:42] <aadamson> I couldn't make Dave's Delphi version work with an Adafruit feather so I cloned it over to Qt5
[12:42] <garymortimer> aadamson I am trying it right now!
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[12:43] <aadamson> if anyone else wants to add linux or Mac forms, the rest is vanilla Qt.
[12:43] <aadamson> and I make no claim at being a Qt programmer and I'm sure I basteredized any semblance of OOP/C++ as well :)
[12:44] Nick change: Piet0r_ -> Piet0r
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[12:44] <fsphil> Qt/C++ code is pretty ugly at the best of times
[12:44] <aadamson> But I did add the json method of pushing to habitat instead of the older webform post method :)
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[12:46] <AndyEsser> fsphil: it's horrific
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[12:51] <aadamson> BTW, here's the feather that I tested and developed it against - https://www.adafruit.com/products/3179
[12:51] <aadamson> that was running daves other arduino code with only 2 changes noted in the readme.md of the qt gateway code
[12:53] <gonzo_> dbrooke, nice. Wish there were some close to me. But suspect any there were, may have been lost in the first round of closures. Most of which were backfilled and 'dozed over by the landowners
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[12:55] <gonzo_> there was a main command centre bunker that went for austion in the lincoln area about 15yrs ago. That was nice
[12:55] <gonzo_> 4 floors, accom for 120 people, full plant and canteen
[12:55] <gonzo_> think it went for 300k eventually
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[12:56] <dbrooke> another friend of mine looked at that one for possible data centre use
[12:56] <gonzo_> brought by a co to useas a robust server centre
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[12:57] <gonzo_> yep, snap
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[12:57] <gonzo_> If I could have got half a dozen people together to chuck 50k in a hat, could have been ours. Shame
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[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[13:18] <garymortimer> How to waste a great deal of time Part 999 only just realise that the USB cables left for you to use by your teenage sons are charge only.
[13:19] <garymortimer> why dont they make the end of those red or something
[13:19] <fsphil> hah. useful to have when charging from a third-party source
[13:24] <edmoore> dbrooke: which one did you bid on?
[13:25] <edmoore> if you don't mind me asking?
[13:25] <dbrooke> http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/roc/db/988306564.046003.html
[13:26] <edmoore> fun
[13:27] <edmoore> my company had a friend who owned raf chilmark
[13:27] <edmoore> it was used for some early rocket engine tests before setting up at westcott
[13:28] <dbrooke> this was on ebay early 2012, had failed to sell for 4k but we bid on the re-listing and it went for quite a bit more
[13:30] <dbrooke> I was at Uni with the owner of http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27501689
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[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[14:07] <aadamson> garymortimer, give me a min, I left some debugging code in there :(... simple fix, will update the git in a minute
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[14:10] <aadamson> garymortimer, ok, fixed. what I get for testing the new json push to habitat, left that test code in the initial build... duh
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[16:39] <garymortimer> <aadamson> OK
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[18:21] <fsphil> another chance of aurora tonight
[18:29] <x-f_> heh, snowing a bit over here :/
[18:31] <fsphil> wooo
[18:31] <LazyLeopard> Not much chance of any HF propagation. ;)
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[18:35] <fsphil> worth it. if it clears up
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[20:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ2ODE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2ODE_chase
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[21:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-12 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-12
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[22:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[22:52] <Vaizki> note to self: when you view full span on a 13.2GHz specan, the entire HF band is inside that single pixel wide peak hugging the left edge of the screen. no need to recheck cabling...
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[22:58] <Vaizki> and sleep&
[23:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KT5TK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KT5TK-11
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