highaltitude.log.20161023

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[00:02] <Sn0w> Yes indeed
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[05:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-12 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-12
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[07:10] <PE2BZ> !flightas
[07:10] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:10] <PE2BZ> !whereis ubseds18
[07:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Division No. 19, MB, Canada 10(52.82805,-96.397) at 0312322 meters about 035 days ago
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[08:16] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Vaizki: u have any antennas up yet?? ubseds18 is predicted to come down from north circling scandinavia and as its on aprs geofencing it will only tx contestia over Swe Nor Fin
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[09:01] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike|2 Good morning, ubseds18 is not on the map, where did you find out it´s still on air ?
[09:02] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> its probaly is,, the predictions puts it over northern Europe / Russia
[09:02] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> comming down from the artics after a 5 days trip
[09:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
[09:05] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=3&qm=All&f=UBSEDS18&q=ubseds18
[09:10] <PE2BZ> Thanks. Now I see it on the tracker !
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[09:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9MDD-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9MDD-1
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[10:19] <OneM_Industries> Hello! We are FTC Team 7090, FIRST Appalachian Robotics. We are about to be launching a near-space balloon at 8:00AM EST, APRS callsign KM4JQF-11 for tracking.
[10:21] <OneM_Industries> If you want to follow along, we will be posting updates here: https://www.facebook.com/FirstAppalachianRobotics/
[10:37] <fsphil> good luck with the flight!
[10:39] <OneM_Industries> Thank you!
[10:41] <Vaizki> appalachian robotics? Weaponized Cyborg Turkeys for DARPA?
[10:42] <Vaizki> and good luck :)
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[10:48] <palq> help
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[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[10:55] <PE2BZ> pa1q does that help ?
[10:55] <AndyEsser> he's left
[10:55] <PE2BZ> To late for help :-(
[10:55] <PE2BZ> Good morning btw
[10:59] <AndyEsser> morning
[11:06] <fsphil> afternoon
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[11:11] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ahh, there we go
[11:12] <dbrooke> !whereis ubseds18
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03dbrooke: 03UBSEDS18 is over 03Kulebaksky District, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, Russia 10(55.4411,42.61048) at 0312728 meters
[11:12] <craag> aww went around us again
[11:13] <craag> looking forward to the backlog on that though
[11:13] <fsphil> I think we've discovered a previously unknown atmospheric phenomenon :)
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[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:16] <fsphil> been up 67 days
[11:17] <fsphil> second place for duration
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[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4JQF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4JQF-11
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[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[12:49] <OneM_Industries> KM4JQF-11, that's us!
[12:49] <OneM_Industries> :D
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[13:06] <AndyEsser> daveake: what was the app you use that allows downloading of maps? and does it support route navigation?
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[13:07] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem ??
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[13:16] <daveake> I use Backcountry Navigator for the on-foot part of the chase. It has OS maps (and lots of others to choose from) and shows your position plus your target position
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[13:16] <daveake> For route navigation I just use a phone or cat satnav
[13:16] <AndyEsser> ah ok n oworries
[13:16] <AndyEsser> cheers
[13:17] <daveake> It's 2 separate tasks - get close in the car then on foot for the last bit
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[13:21] <gonzo_> cat-nav?
[13:21] <Ouyang> im getting pet trackers when googling that
[13:21] <gonzo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ9WyYbZj_8
[13:37] <daveake> s/t/r/
[13:40] <Vaizki> SA6BSS-Mike|2: thanks for the heads up but I fear it has evaded Finland again.. and in any case I believe we are geofenced out of both APRS and RTTY...
[13:41] <Vaizki> sorry constestia, not rtty
[13:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> well it showed over russa a couple of hours ago
[13:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> *Russia
[13:50] <Vaizki> yes, but the backlog is not in so don't know if it went over FI or not..
[13:50] <richardeoin> northern europe's balloon deflection field has been working rather well recently
[13:50] <Vaizki> and looking at ubseds15, apparently we are geofenced INTO the contestia, not out of it?
[13:51] <Vaizki> and the horse's mouth opens.. :) so does 18 have contestia over NO-SE-FI?
[13:51] <richardeoin> yeah, on ubseds15 you were geofenced *into* the contestia (positive geofence)
[13:51] <richardeoin> that was a handover from 13/14 with primary power supplies
[13:51] <Vaizki> ah. so now aprs-only?
[13:52] <richardeoin> now both aprs and contestia for the nordic countries
[13:52] <richardeoin> was changed for 16
[13:52] <Vaizki> umm ok well then it didn't Finland on the way down
[13:52] <Vaizki> we have pretty good APRS coverege even up north
[13:53] <richardeoin> Ah so from the wind predictions it came down the yenisei somewhere
[13:54] <richardeoin> also 18 needs 20degrees of solar elevation to start up
[13:54] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> looks like its comming our way, lest see when the hysplitt uppdates
[13:54] <richardeoin> useful for checking solar elevation: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/
[13:55] <Vaizki> this is finland, next time we get 20 degrees of solar elevation up north is maybe march? :)
[13:58] <richardeoin> yahh unfortunately so :(
[13:59] <richardeoin> ubseds17 was the decent tracker that didn't have that problem
[14:00] <Vaizki> well I'm down south so if it comes my way it'll get caught.. there's so many impressively sensitive and high up digipeaters/igates around
[14:07] <richardeoin> yes that part of the world is rather good for igates
[14:08] <richardeoin> I've pushed the updated geofence maps to clarify things http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/17/ubseds18.html
[14:08] <Vaizki> thanks
[14:08] <richardeoin> but your unlikely to hear it anyhow because of lack of solar elevation
[14:08] <richardeoin> *you're
[14:09] <richardeoin> ubseds21 should be launched at *some* point
[14:10] <richardeoin> will be a repeat of the 17 tracker - with battery for some night time operation, and moar solar panels
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[14:11] <richardeoin> also ~400mW APRS on 145.825 to get into the ISS digipeater
[14:11] <richardeoin> although the ISS digipeater is broken atm?
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N2NXZ-12 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2NXZ-12
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[15:48] <sjaustirni> Hi there, I am doing a very light and wide research on HAB tracking and would love to hear what do you use for your balloons.
[15:49] <sjaustirni> I am aware of https://community.balloonchallenge.org/t/hab-tracking-methods/669 nad would like to hear your personal experience
[15:50] <sjaustirni> Also, as a side question, does UKHAS network still work? If yes, is it usable in Central Europe?
[15:50] <craag> The UKHAS network for tracking on 434MHz and 868MHz is still very much active
[15:51] <craag> You can see just those that have activated the software in the last couple of hours, as antenna mast icons, on https://tracker.habhub.org/
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> 'central europe' - sort of.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> It works lots better over western europe
[15:53] <sjaustirni> craag, wow thanks!
[15:53] <sjaustirni> SpeedEvil, I am from Slovakia, it seems that it'll be fine
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Aren't the couple of US payloads shown at the moment APRS gatewayed?
[15:53] <craag> Poland is *extremely* active when there's a nearby flight on
[15:54] <craag> lots of receivers there
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> the little towers show direct reception.
[15:54] <craag> yes the US payloads with ham radio callsigns will be APRS
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Some payloads are gatewayed from APRS - which is sort-of-global.
[15:54] <sjaustirni> I am confused a bit guys, do I need a ground station on order to use UKHAS?
[15:54] <sjaustirni> *in order
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> sjaustirni: using it without is possible, but has several problems.
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Firstly, you don't know if it's transmitting till it's 5 or 10km in the air.
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Secondly, you don't have a good idea where it came down - just when it passed through 5 or 10km on the way down.
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> A local reciever can both tell you if it's sending OK, and allow you to track it down to hundreds of meters above the ground or even lower (sometimes on the ground)
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> this makes recovery a lot easier
[15:57] <sjaustirni> aha. So, if I have my own station, it has to be mobile, so I can follow the signal, otherwise it's the same as using already established ground station?
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[15:58] <SpeedEvil> 'no'.
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> IT's complex.
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> If there happens to be a reciever within 10-50km or so of your landing point, you can track down to often quite a low altitude
[15:58] <sjaustirni> sorry, I am completely new to this. Would you care to explain it to me/send me resources?
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> So it can sort-of-work.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> Your own reciever is much, much better.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> For simply verifying that you are transmitting, a USB SDR can work - for $10 or so.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> sold as TV recievers.
[16:00] <sjaustirni> and if I need the position (obviously) as well?
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> For recieving at a distance, you will probably want to add an amplifier.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> the position is sent by the payload - it has a GPS
[16:00] <sjaustirni> amplifier is positioned in the balloon?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> the amp is connected to the USB device
[16:02] <sjaustirni> and the USB and thge emplifier can pick up the signal from 30km height?
[16:02] <sjaustirni> *and the amplifier
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[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-11
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[16:05] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> with an appropriate antenna, with line of sight, if there are no local interfering signals.
[16:06] <sjaustirni> what about the transimtter? What is the absolute necessity, to transmit the location at that height, so it's as cheap as possible?
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> that covers the computer side mainly
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:how_to_lose_your_flight is many pitfalls
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/frontpage:guides
[16:11] <sjaustirni> I'll read those thoroughly and will come back with new questions.
[16:11] <sjaustirni> Thank you for everything, SpeedEvil
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> good luck
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[16:38] <AndyEsser> https://t.co/LrfPxOPxAb
[16:38] <AndyEsser> I'm "holidaying" correctly, right?
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You forgot War & Peace as a bit of light reading ;-)
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[16:51] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: I left War & Peace at home (honestly, it's on my bedside table)
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[16:56] <SpeedEvil> On the topic of 'light listening' related to the above - http://www.microbe.tv/twievo/
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> this week in evolution.
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> A most excellent podcast. (same guy (first person to sequence the Polio virus) also does several others on virology, microbiology and parasitology)
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[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7JVA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7JVA
[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-1
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[19:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[19:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-2
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[19:31] Nick change: Wiktor|cz -> Wiktor
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[19:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[21:30] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[21:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Kasimovsky District, Ryazan Oblast, Russia 10(55.01796,41.94889) at 0312809 meters about 038 hours ago
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[22:03] <SpeedEvil> https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/590wi9/i_am_elon_musk_ask_me_anything_about_becoming_a/
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[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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