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[01:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[01:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MRG-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MRG-3
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[03:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[05:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[05:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
[05:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[07:19] <fsphil> New position from fsphil after 8 hours snoring
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[07:39] <pb0ahx> GM all
[07:39] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:39] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:39] <gonzo_> still suffering lack of gps lock then phil?
[07:43] <daveake> Having trouble leaving sleep mode
[07:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-19 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-19
[07:58] <gonzo_> know the feeling.
[07:59] <fsphil> waiting for interrupt
[08:09] <gonzo_> think I'm suffering a hardware latch up
[08:10] <gonzo_> (now that just sounds rude!)
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-12 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-12
[08:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SB after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SB
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[08:45] <RPF-JR> Hi all, which calculator is most accurate the one built in to http://predict.habhub.org/ or the one at http://habhub.org/calc/ ??
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[08:56] <daveake> I'd expect them to be the same. For Hwoyee balloons I use Steve's though - same maths AIUI but he has options for what Hwoyee's actually do rather than what the manufacturer says they do
[09:06] <RPF-JR> Is Steve's the best to use in general, ie it will give the same results as others for non - Hwoyee balloons
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not seen anyone comment to be honest, probably more dependent on accuracy of fill and imperfections in the ballons!
[09:14] <daveake> IME yes they're exactly the same. The CUSF one is nicer to use, so generally I use that then mentally add 2-3km to the burst altitude, or go to Steve's. On his one the balloons marked with a "*" are the ones where he's used an estimated burst diameter based on looking at his and other people's flights
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[09:15] <daveake> or -10km for Pawans :/
[09:16] <RPF-JR> :-)
[09:18] <RPF-JR> by the CUSF one you mean the one built into the predictor?
[09:18] <daveake> No I used the standalone one
[09:18] <daveake> -d
[09:18] <RPF-JR> thought so
[09:18] <RPF-JR> http://predict.habhub.org/
[09:19] <RPF-JR> same one we used with Skycademy cohort
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[09:19] <daveake> yup.
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[09:47] <gonzo_> the ssdv page, that has to be a UK radio club talk!
[09:47] <gonzo_> supprised they are all awake though
[09:49] <daveake> https://twitter.com/nerdsville/status/789234854143614976
[09:52] <gonzo_> hehe. I can't use the grey hair piss take anymore
[09:55] <Vaizki> what the.. are those HAMs..
[09:57] <Vaizki> that's like a war veteran meeting
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[10:03] <gonzo_> in the UK, that is pretty much whatb you will see at all clubs
[10:03] <edmoore> 'you'll never forget the battle over the M6 license or the morse requirement, we lost a lost of good men'
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its alaways amazing how people age in a year or so https://youtu.be/S7KujrsUB1w?t=11897
[10:09] <Vaizki> in the few club meetings I've been to in the club I joined, I'm usually in the top-3 oldest geezers..
[10:10] <fsphil> what are they all looking at!
[10:10] <Vaizki> I think it's mostly because the bitter old ones don't show up :)
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[10:19] <gonzo_> all clubs (not just radio) seem to have a % of old lads who come along to sit by the radiator, drink tea and chat with their mates. It's cheaper than going to the pub (because that involves spending money, and thay is a concept that they have difficulty with.... though strangely they will geta new car every year?)
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[11:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> see you spotted the SSDV images from last night, shame on you! ;-) actually was a good demo/talk showing the tracking and SSDV even if I was one of the youngest there at the ripe old age of 49 ;-)
[11:53] <Andrew_M0NRD> will be some more pictures tonight from my own club, but they are a bit younger ;-)
[11:53] <fsphil> it was a similar scene at the last event I was at
[11:55] <Andrew_M0NRD> sad fact, but things are changing as younger people getting into the hobby again
[11:55] <mfa298> I was worrying when I went to some things years ago and commented I reduced the average age considerably.
[11:56] <mfa298> it's more worrying that 20-30 years later the same still holds in soem cases
[11:56] <fsphil> it seems to be newer younger clubs popping up, rather than the younger people joining the existing ones
[11:57] <Andrew_M0NRD> most hams are pre-internet, the internet removed the lure of radio for communication and the old guard resisted the new fangled tech.. but changing slowly
[11:57] <fsphil> they should learn basic website skills first :)
[11:58] <Andrew_M0NRD> true.. but i'm just as bad so won't comment too much
[11:59] <fsphil> I barely have a website so I probably shouldn't comment either
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[12:00] <Andrew_M0NRD> cost is a big factor, ham gear is ridiculously expensive and the retired have money to burn - they happily pay £100s for antennas made of simple wire
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[13:00] <Vaizki> SDRs are cheap and a gateway drug
[13:02] <Vaizki> but it's true that just chatting across the globe is easier on IRC than HF.. and has killed the hobby for many
[13:02] <Vaizki> need to combine it with something like HABs
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[13:09] <mfa298> looking back at how I got into radio I wish more had been made of experimentation side of things and simple experimentation suitable for poor students
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[13:51] <udat> Vaizki: sdr pulled me back in after years of not being interested
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[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9FXU-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9FXU-11
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[15:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EPS1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EPS1
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[16:31] <navypyo> jj
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[17:35] <daveake> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37731671
[17:39] <LazyLeopard> New crater on Mars... Ho hum...
[17:40] Action: SpeedEvil waits for HIRES pics.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> At least Beagle soft-landed and opened.
[17:41] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, but I guess a hole in the ground is what you'd expect if you let go of your parachute too early and then didn't use your rockets effectively...
[17:42] <LazyLeopard> Didn't one of the other landers shut its rockets down after thinking it had landed when it was still quite a way up?
[17:43] <LazyLeopard> ...a while back.
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[17:48] <daveake> Sounds likely that that's what happened this time
[17:48] <daveake> It was supposed to turn them off before landing so as not to kick up too much dust
[17:50] <LazyLeopard> In the previous case I remember something about the jolt of the legs locking in place tripping the "I've landed" flag...
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[18:07] <arjunnaha_> What's the best PCB production for a super simple circuit, quantity of less than 5, fast delivery and within hobbyist price range? (cheap, good and fast usually don't mix, but hey)
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[18:12] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by fast
[18:12] <kc2pit_> Also, where?
[18:12] <arjunnaha_> Preferably within a week
[18:12] <arjunnaha_> UK
[18:15] <kc2pit_> 1 week turnaround is going to be expensive.
[18:16] <arjunnaha_> Not to worry, what would your average turnaround times be for a hobbyist-type production?
[18:16] <kc2pit_> Dirt Cheap PCBs can do it for $58 (or whatever that translates to in UK) if your thing fits inside a 5cm square.
[18:16] <kc2pit_> If you can wait about two weeks, it gets a good bit cheaper.
[18:17] <arjunnaha_> Ah, this company looks good
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Also 'super simple circuit' - veroboard
[18:17] <kc2pit_> $33 at Dirt Cheap, and I think OSH Park now does international shipping for free. Not sure how slow that is.
[18:17] <kc2pit_> But their docs site seems to be down just now.
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> making a single sided board yourself is possibly another option
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> especially if you do SMT and avoid drilling
[18:18] <arjunnaha_> I've already made my pen and etch :). Just looking to see what it would look like with silkscreens and the lot
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[18:20] <mfa298> dirtypcbs and hackvana seem to be the other popular choices, but I think it can take a few weeks to get them if you go the cheaper options
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[18:23] <dbrooke> I don't know how good it is but there's a comparison site at http://pcbshopper.com/
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[18:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MRG-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MRG-3
[18:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GOSPACE after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GOSPACE
[18:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> anyone tracked eps1 going up from uk?
[18:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S-20 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-20
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NERDPI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDPI
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[19:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NERDLO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDLO
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[20:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9ZMJ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9ZMJ-11
[20:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[20:52] <udat> wonder where ubseds18 is/ended up
[20:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> !track ubseds18
[20:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-m: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds18
[20:57] <Vaizki> give it until sunday to show up before you start worrying
[20:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> There was one branch of the Jetstream going up over Greenland and then down across Russia, it might be caught in that ...
[20:58] <Vaizki> whoa it might actually buzz by Finland.. gotta tune in when I get back home
[21:00] <Vaizki> even the most optimistic hysplits have it showing up within aprs range tomorrow at the earlies
[21:01] <udat> this stuff pulls you in, few weeks ago just tuned in to one as just happened to load tracker website on a launch
[21:02] <udat> now im sitting with a ntx2b on a breadboard infront of me and wondering how to connect the lora boards up too
[21:02] <Vaizki> but going up there to the north pole.. might be that ubseds18 never makes it out or pops up back in canada next time
[21:02] <udat> :)
[21:02] <Upu> get the NTX2 working first :)
[21:03] <udat> yeah figured it'd be best starting point
[21:03] <udat> :)
[21:03] <Vaizki> even I could do it
[21:04] <Vaizki> now you have no excuse :D
[21:04] <udat> you've obviously never seen my frankenstein creations, things work for about a minute :)
[21:04] <Upu> heh
[21:05] <Upu> thats where I started
[21:06] <Upu> one of daveake's first ones https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/yqjSc.jpg
[21:07] <daveake> That one did quite a few flights then the ublox died
[21:07] <udat> I'd be delighted with that :)
[21:07] <Upu> that is actually really impressive levels of dead bug wiring :)
[21:07] <Vaizki> udat: oh you mean something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/Photo%2024-02-15%2023%2058%2007.jpg
[21:07] <daveake> That was an exercise in topology :)
[21:08] <udat> Vaizki: you have a webcam installed on my desk???!
[21:09] <udat> should have got a gps module, duh :/
[21:10] <Upu> did you get the NTX2B off me ?
[21:10] <udat> guess have other things can butcher for it
[21:10] <udat> yeah
[21:10] <udat> just after it for playing wiht the rf side to start with
[21:10] <Upu> sure good plan
[21:11] <udat> only got arduino for first time couple of weeks back so plenty to figure out
[21:11] <Upu> just take your time and ask questions
[21:11] <udat> now kicking myself for not using them years back
[21:17] <Vaizki> and here's your next step.. http://i.imgur.com/q2nHiol.png
[21:17] <udat> ahh got that side okay, been tracking a few now :)
[21:17] <Vaizki> but I guess it's time to sleep
[21:18] <udat> later
[21:18] <Vaizki> have fun&
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[21:36] <Ian_> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[21:36] <Ian_> Of course there is also the resistor network way
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[21:42] <Ian_> From Daniel Richman et al's Alien project - used to be on Upi's Ava site also - https://alienproject.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/radiometrix-circuit-diagram.png
[21:44] <Ian_> No excuses now udat
[21:49] <Upu> I actually think we should revert back to the resistor way
[21:49] <Upu> the PWM was a little fad
[21:49] <Upu> revert the article
[21:52] <daveake> agreed
[21:52] <daveake> just confuses people
[21:52] <daveake> then we get issues with timers and pwm
[21:54] <Upu> done
[21:55] <Upu> need to go through it and reapply the amendments
[21:58] <Upu> screen shots have M6UPU :)
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[22:47] <daveake> ha
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