highaltitude.log.20161018

[00:00] <Laurenceb_> ah
[00:05] Nick change: PsionicO1 -> PsionicOz
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[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[05:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[06:28] <AndyEsser> people who fly drones at planes as they're coming into land should be put to death...
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[06:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GOSPACE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GOSPACE
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[07:03] <fsphil> AndyEsser: harsh
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[07:05] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I don't appreciate nearly dying...
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[07:08] <fsphil> maybe should be "people who fly drones at or near people"
[07:09] <AndyEsser> "at planes" wasn't good enough?
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[07:16] <daveake> Depends if they're landing on a conveyor
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[07:19] <gonzo_> you had an 'incident'?
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[07:22] <fsphil> have you had an accident at work?
[07:24] <daveake> Where there's blame ...
[07:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[07:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !flights
[07:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Current flights: 03BARC4 10(e63d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !flight BARC4
[07:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Flight 10(e63d): 03BARC4 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:00 from 03South Yorkshire, UK 10(53.424,-1.5348)
[07:47] <fsphil> more barc
[07:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Odd the Notam for the Barc flight is for 19th to 21st and a different location than shown for todays flight ?
[07:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> which als has a Notam 17th to 18th ?
[07:51] <AndyEsser> nice scatter gun approach...
[07:51] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: had a drone flying directly at us on final approach yesterday, just narrowly avoided us
[07:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Wonder when someone will mount laser on a drone ......
[07:56] <gonzo_> someone on the airfield?
[07:56] <Vaizki> we're way ahead of you here in finland
[07:56] <fsphil> AndyEsser: ah, I misread it as people who fly drones "as planes", not *at*
[07:56] <Vaizki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Viwwetf0gU
[07:57] <Vaizki> re: Geoff-G8DHE-Lap
[07:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh yes
[07:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> HAB hunting drone
[07:58] <fsphil> HAD, high altitude drones
[07:58] <fsphil> just how high up can you get them
[07:59] <fsphil> ignoring the legality parts
[07:59] <Vaizki> make a u2 drone
[07:59] <Vaizki> or you mean multicopters?
[07:59] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: nah, suspect it was either parked on the road, or in a carpark towards the end of the runway (there's a perimeter road that runs by the end of the runway
[07:59] <fsphil> yeah the copters
[07:59] <AndyEsser> we reported it to ATC and promptly then saw blue lights around the area
[07:59] <fsphil> nice
[08:00] <fsphil> they have to take that kind of thing seriously
[08:00] <AndyEsser> we were a bit concerned though, another student was on his approach on his first solo cross country flight - so relayed it to him to be extra viligant
[08:01] <gonzo_> carpark at the end of the runway.... And what did they think the plane may end up if they cayused a crash!
[08:02] <AndyEsser> the river :P
[08:02] <AndyEsser> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.1863301,-2.9658885,14.72z
[08:03] <AndyEsser> after that the instructor also decided we should do an engine failure practice on approach as well - so glided in
[08:03] <AndyEsser> this stuff is not fun :P
[08:04] <Vaizki> were you in a cessna skyhawk or some other nice glider?
[08:05] <AndyEsser> Piper PA-38 Tomahawk
[08:05] <AndyEsser> I'm currently alternating between a PA-28 (which I prefer) and a PA-38
[08:05] <AndyEsser> to get a bit of experience on different aircraft
[08:06] <Vaizki> right.. that's an old bird already
[08:06] <AndyEsser> Yea - they're from the 70's....
[08:06] <AndyEsser> but hey - they're good trainers, easy to fly, and basically fly themselves if trimmed correctly
[08:07] <Vaizki> sure, not saying is old is bad. hey I'm from the 70's too..
[08:07] <AndyEsser> it's not a plane I would buy personally
[08:07] <AndyEsser> or rather, I would, but would likely overhaul it - and replace the instrumentation
[08:07] <AndyEsser> or just build something myself
[08:07] <Vaizki> of course not, there's no rocket motors or glass cockpit :D
[08:08] <AndyEsser> exactly
[08:08] <AndyEsser> was investigating building own aircraft
[08:08] <AndyEsser> can go for a Class E certification from the CAA
[08:08] <AndyEsser> costs £51 to file the form
[08:09] <AndyEsser> as long as it has a MTOW of less than 2000 Kg
[08:09] <AndyEsser> then to convince Airbus to let me potentially destroy their runway...
[08:09] <Vaizki> you really like to start on things...
[08:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P58b0qaFPnk
[08:09] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: all my projects are related :P
[08:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> simples, put your arms out!
[08:10] <Vaizki> I know one guy who builds planes and it's anything but simple.. of course their plane is a seaplane and for general sale, not an experimental
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[08:10] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: o yea - never thought it'd be simple :P
[08:10] <AndyEsser> but hella fun :)
[08:10] <Vaizki> https://atol.fi/
[08:11] <AndyEsser> also, suspect I'd want to fly it remotely first before I trusted myself to fly it "in person"
[08:11] <AndyEsser> that is an interesting design
[08:12] <Vaizki> and folds up in a trailer you can tow with a normal car
[08:12] <AndyEsser> nice
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[08:24] <daveake> Can it take off against the tide? :p
[08:24] <fsphil> lol
[08:24] <fsphil> nooooo
[08:24] <fsphil> don't go there
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[08:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Did we hear of the outcome of the EOS -T2 flight the other day ? I know they picked it up but why it failed ?
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not much given away on their web site http://www.projecteos.co.uk/2016/10/action-man-blasts-into-near-space/
[08:44] <Vaizki> daveake, there's no tide in Finland fortunately so I don't have to work it out :)
[08:49] <mfa298> AndyEsser: there was something on tv the other week abotu someone who made a replica spitfire mostly out of wood that flys (I think it was 3/4 scale), that seemed to suggest it's not too hard to do your own thing, you just need it checked regularly during the build.
[08:49] <mfa298> I think that was the local news or the one show (/me wonders if it's on iPlayer still)
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[08:51] <gonzo_> I knew a guy who built a plane in his loft, as he had no workshop. the idea was, that the roof was due for replacement, so at that point he would have it craned out and would have a workshop by then
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[08:51] <gonzo_> lost touch with him ages ago. no idea how it concluded
[08:51] <fsphil> aww
[08:52] <gonzo_> he did a slide show presentation (before death by powerpoint)
[08:53] <mfa298> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-37411117
[08:53] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Yea - it's easier than you'd expect
[08:54] <AndyEsser> Class E classifications were brought in to allow hobbyists and small businesses to rapidly iterate designs
[08:54] <gonzo_> every joint type, he would have to make a sample that the CAAman wouldcome and smash buggery out of in the vice. then he was alowed to make the real joints
[08:54] <AndyEsser> basically you stick an "Experimental" sticker on it, pay your fee - and voila
[08:54] <AndyEsser> MTOW of 2000 kg, and can't be used for commercial purposes
[08:54] <mfa298> I think the piece on the TV was more informative than what they've put on the web
[08:54] <gonzo_> this was >20yrs ago
[08:55] <gonzo_> suspect e class was not about then
[08:55] <Vaizki> "The UKs favourite new yellow submarine, Boaty McBoatface, is in training for a grand challenge."
[08:55] <Vaizki> of ffs...
[08:56] <Vaizki> oh ffs even..
[08:56] <mfa298> Vaizki: it could be worse, originally the big boat it goes on was going to be called Boaty McBoatface
[08:56] <fsphil> I like the name :)
[08:57] <Vaizki> mfa298, yes I remember the vote..
[08:57] <gonzo_> sounds like kids tv?
[08:57] <daveake> We're not good at voting
[08:57] <Vaizki> hehe
[08:57] <fsphil> lol
[08:57] <AndyEsser> daveake: clearly
[08:57] <AndyEsser> ha
[08:57] <Vaizki> daveake is on a roll today
[08:57] <Vaizki> no bun intended
[08:57] <Vaizki> sorry :D coffee...
[08:57] <AndyEsser> all a bit barmy
[08:58] <gonzo_> glad I am not afflicted by TV
[08:58] <mfa298> I'm not sure the Americans are much better than us at voting.
[08:58] <gonzo_> time will tell
[08:59] <gonzo_> though this time they don't seem to have much to choose between
[08:59] <AndyEsser> https://www.caa.co.uk/General-aviation/Aircraft-ownership-and-maintenance/Experimental-aircraft/
[08:59] <gonzo_> could we send boris over on loan?
[08:59] <AndyEsser> Yea, not sure we can take the piss out of the yanks anymore after the Referendum
[09:00] <gonzo_> boris for prez
[09:00] <mfa298> watching the Panorama thing last night, apparently someone did put his name into the list of potentialy candidates
[09:00] <Vaizki> boris for veep.. he'd fit right in the lineup
[09:01] <gonzo_> i can think of worse outcomes
[09:20] <daveake> Quite AndyEsser. 240 years of piss-taking and feeling superior. Blown it now. Till 3 weeks time anyway.
[09:22] <gonzo_> the referendum wasn't an embarasing outcome
[09:22] <fsphil> make britian feel superior again
[09:23] <gonzo_> a bit wobbly because we are sailing witjout a map. but it will all stabilise
[09:24] <edmoore> Confidence Through Metaphors, chaps
[09:24] <edmoore> it's the only way we can sell it
[09:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[09:24] <daveake> ships do tend to stabilise when they hit the sea floor
[09:25] <gonzo_> intranet here is so broken, that IT can't email to apologise
[09:26] <gonzo_> no one could come up witj a convincing argument either way during the debates
[09:26] <gonzo_> so a coin toss would have been good enough
[09:26] <daveake> Even Boris swung both ways
[09:27] <gonzo_> well it was common in public schools
[09:27] <edmoore> 'even'
[09:28] <fsphil> lol
[09:29] <fsphil> always have an escape plan
[09:31] <gonzo_> run to the woods and keep chickens
[09:31] <edmoore> just find a non-mad country
[09:31] <edmoore> that doesn't think you can vote your way out of globalisation
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[09:35] <rharrison_> hey upu do you have the schematic for the pi hat for the CE0 and CE1 modules. As I could do with the pinout with the adaptors I brought from you last nigt :-)
[09:36] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: not all public schools.... *cough*
[09:37] <edmoore> don't cough
[09:38] <AndyEsser> I have a tickly cough atm
[09:38] <AndyEsser> and no more strepsils :(
[09:38] <AndyEsser> I ate them like sweeties the other week
[09:39] <edmoore> i'm on lemsip atm as it happens
[09:40] <AndyEsser> hope you feel better soon
[09:40] <edmoore> it's a bit tiresome as it slows work down but such is life
[09:41] <Upu> morning ROb
[09:41] <Upu> sure its on Github
[09:41] <Upu> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits-hardware/blob/master/PiLoraGatewayV2.5.pdf
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[09:55] <fsphil> urg, lemsip season
[09:55] <AndyEsser> hopefully the remnants of this cold has gone by Friday
[09:55] <AndyEsser> don't really want to infect the Welsh Government
[09:55] <AndyEsser> probably won't endear them to me
[10:06] <fsphil> hopefully all these off-world colonies we're getting soon will be flu free
[10:07] <fsphil> sure there's the radiation, cancer and brain rot. but I wouldn't get the sniffles!
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing to challange the immune system then it will get weak ...
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> then a mutation will occur and no immune system t handle it....
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> take every virus and microbe with them then a strong immune system!
[10:11] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I don't fancy having kids, or living to old age
[10:11] <AndyEsser> so radiation + cancer isn't an issue
[10:11] <AndyEsser> and my brain can't rot much more
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[10:17] <rharrison_> thanks Upu
[10:21] <gonzo_> kids and age just tends to happen
[10:24] <AndyEsser> at least one of those requires an action...
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[10:29] <gonzo_> yep, or possibly lack of care
[10:29] <gonzo_> (which also can affect the latter)
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC4 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah he's using tomorrw NOTAM then!
[10:44] <daveake> wtf
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/2016_Flights/index.php?ind=1
[10:50] <daveake> sigh
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> quite
[10:59] <Vaizki> what's going on? back to back launches?
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:03] <rharrison_> Is BARC4 using lora?
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03rharrison_: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[11:05] <fsphil> !learn add bacon The solution to all the worlds problems
[11:05] <fsphil> aww
[11:05] <rharrison_> !learn barc4
[11:07] <rharrison_> !freq
[11:07] <AndyEsser> !flights
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Current flights: 03BARC4 10(e63d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[11:07] <AndyEsser> !id e63d
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03BARC4 10(690912d6a5f01f0ff8de07f34715e63d, approved, 1 payload)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Project 03undefined by 03undefined
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Window: 03Yesterday at 23:00 UTC to 03Today at 22:59 UTC 10(Europe/London, +1)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 03Today at 09:00 UTC from 03undefined 10(53.424,-1.5348)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/690912d6a5f01f0ff8de07f34715e63d
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03JACKAL3P 10(02e8a88aaaa64b455b740e00ba40e63d, not approved, 1 payload)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Project 03Jackal Tracking by 03undefined
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Window: 0311/05/2015 UTC to 0314/05/2015 UTC 10(Africa/Johannesburg, +2)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 0313/05/2015 UTC from 03Rosetta South Africa 10(-29.2106,30.0029)
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/02e8a88aaaa64b455b740e00ba40e63d
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: 031 untested 10(863b)
[11:07] <AndyEsser> ....
[11:08] <AndyEsser> !payload
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:08] <AndyEsser> !payload BARC4
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Payload 03BARC4 10(e63d) 03$$BARC4 - 03PITS Test - 03434.45 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:08] <AndyEsser> no LORA apparently
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[11:09] <AndyEsser> cheerio
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[11:09] <fsphil> lol
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[11:35] <AndyEsser> god damn PAYE
[11:35] <fsphil> MAX PAYE -- the less exciting version of the game
[11:36] <AndyEsser> lol
[11:37] <Vaizki> what's wrong with PAYE now then? you don't intend to pay taxes? :)
[11:37] <AndyEsser> I don't pay myself enough :P
[11:37] <AndyEsser> haha
[11:37] <fsphil> bad at the E bit
[11:37] <AndyEsser> nah it's just now I'm on the "Employer" end rather than "Employee" bit I have to remember to pay it :P
[11:38] <fsphil> that's what accountants are for
[11:38] <Vaizki> ^ what he said
[11:38] <AndyEsser> fsphil: they do the paperwork - but they don't have access to my bank account
[11:39] <Vaizki> they fill in the payment on your internet-based accounting and finance management software, then you just press Approve on it.. right? :)
[11:39] <AndyEsser> No
[11:39] <Vaizki> that's how it works for me...
[11:39] <AndyEsser> I don't have accounting software linked to my account
[11:40] <Vaizki> well my company does, it's nice on the incoming money side also because it matches the ref numbers etc and watches due dates so there's always a list of which customer is late with payments
[11:41] <Vaizki> and a button to automatically mail out reminders
[11:41] <AndyEsser> If I had enough coming in etc - I'd likely do that
[11:41] <Vaizki> I'm sure you'd code it youself too ;)
[11:41] <fsphil> couldn't be any worse than using existing accounting software
[11:42] <fsphil> awful stuff
[11:42] <Vaizki> well mine isn't but it's naturally Finland-only
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[11:43] <Vaizki> I haven't seen my accountant in 6 years :D
[11:43] <Vaizki> maybe I should visit to see she hasn't been replaced by an AI
[11:44] <daveake> You'd be able to tell ?
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[11:45] <Vaizki> holograms aren't that good yet
[11:46] <jakeio> Hello, for my 2-way project, do you think that I should encrypt the control packets so that others cannot attempt to control the payload.
[11:46] <daveake> yes
[11:46] <edmoore> no
[11:46] <daveake> maybe
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> depends
[11:47] <daveake> on the other hand
[11:47] <gonzo_> leave
[11:48] <AndyEsser> remain
[11:49] <Vaizki> fly
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[11:49] <fsphil> don't encrypt, authenticate
[11:49] <Vaizki> sign with a hash
[11:49] <fsphil> mine rhymes
[11:49] <fsphil> kinda
[11:50] <Vaizki> and when you sign with hash, make sure replay attacks are not possible
[11:55] <mfa298> remember that encryption is potentially another thing to check against legislation. Shouldn't be an issue if it's all ISM, gets more of an issue if you're (ab)using an amateur radio license.
[11:58] <gonzo_> how often will it be used, and will the protocol be known by others?
[11:58] <gonzo_> will adding encryption be an extra level of complexity to have to test/fail in flight
[11:59] <Laurenceb_> jakeio: the way I handle the issue is to have a "special" header
[12:00] <Laurenceb_> thats only known to me
[12:00] <jakeio> Well, my concept was that packets would be formatted with %%CALLGISN,packet1encrypted,packet2encrypted,packet3encrypted,packet4encrypted*5500\n I'm using %% to distinguish telemetry and 2-way comms.
[12:00] <Laurenceb_> anyway, probability of someone comendeering your link is almost zero
[12:00] <jakeio> Indeed, but as it's for an A2 project I get many points for encryption logic.
[12:00] <jakeio> :P
[12:00] <Laurenceb_> only people who would know about it re on here, and there are no idiots who also have the right kit
[12:01] <Laurenceb_> although at one point there was a nut who stole payloads using the tracker
[12:01] <Vaizki> isn't it just easier to use a checksum and add a static "shared key" to the calculation of it
[12:01] <qyx> it's called HMAC
[12:01] <Laurenceb_> far more of a risk imo
[12:01] <AndyEsser> "Hears Laurenceb_ talking about no idiots with the right kit"
[12:01] <AndyEsser> You rang?
[12:01] <qyx> it is like 2 lines of code to add
[12:01] <AndyEsser> :P
[12:01] <Vaizki> aka signing with a hash ;)
[12:02] <qyx> jakeio: if you want to go legacy, HMAC-MD5 is your friend (MD5 in a HMAC construction is still considered secure)
[12:02] <qyx> jakeio: if you want to go full hipster, use poly1305 with chacha20 generated key or similar
[12:03] <mfa298> apply rot-13, then for added securty add rot-13 again :p
[12:03] <qyx> look up the tweet-nacl library
[12:03] <Vaizki> legacy here is CRC-16.. :)
[12:03] <jakeio> So, signing with a hash is the consensus? And thanks qyx!
[12:03] <Vaizki> or NMEA XOR-checksum :)
[12:04] <Vaizki> yes, just like the telemetry downlink packets are "signed" with the CRC-16 which is also a hash
[12:04] <qyx> jakeio: yes, but use standard algos, not just "sign with a hash"
[12:04] <Vaizki> just not a very good hash for tamper proofing
[12:04] <qyx> there are some hashes (eg. SHA3) which you can use that way (append a key to your message and sign)
[12:04] <qyx> but mostly this is not the secure approach
[12:05] <Vaizki> and to prevent relay attacks, make sure the payload keeps track of uplink packet sequence numbers so that it won't accept a packet with an "old" sequence
[12:06] <jakeio> Thanks guys!
[12:06] <Vaizki> well tbh that doesn't completely prevent replay but makes it harder
[12:07] <Vaizki> and that was replay attacks, not relay attacks...
[12:07] <qyx> this is usually enough
[12:07] <qyx> the counter is not incremented if the signature is invalid
[12:07] <qyx> and on the other hand, the signature is not even checked if the counter is not incremented
[12:07] <Vaizki> yea but the counter can also go up more than 1 if uplink packets are lost / corrupted
[12:08] <qyx> yep
[12:08] <qyx> a problem would arise if the payload restarted
[12:08] <qyx> hm, no
[12:14] <Vaizki> well first packet could be a replay then
[12:14] <Vaizki> until at least one bona fide one arrives
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[12:17] <garymortimer> Afternoon all
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[12:51] <aadamson> Upu, ping - PM
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[13:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
[13:35] <AndyEsser> daveake: I mentioned NRX modules the other day, and you said the output is basically the equivalent as the input to the NTX
[13:35] <daveake> yes
[13:35] <AndyEsser> so can I just stick it into an ADC, and then every n milliseconds (Based on baud rate) read it and work out bit and 'decode' the sentence from that?
[13:37] <daveake> You could
[13:37] <daveake> Have fun :)
[13:39] <gonzo_> even the NRX are quite wide bandwidth compared to how we use them
[13:39] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: it's a digital output I think
[13:39] <adamgreig> you just stick it into a UART
[13:39] <gonzo_> would be better to use them as intended on uplink and use more power on the uplink
[13:39] <adamgreig> I mean, regardless, the answer is you just stick it into a UART
[13:40] <daveake> Actually it has both analog and digital outputs
[13:41] <daveake> I've only used the analog
[13:41] <daveake> see http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/ntx2nrx2.pdf
[13:41] <gonzo_> I revenged a standard rx2 module and that was just a straight fm pll demod with some shaping and a comparator
[13:41] <gonzo_> (from mem anyway)
[13:42] <gonzo_> so as well as being FM, it's working in quite a wide bandwidth IF, so there will be more noise in there
[13:45] <gonzo_> given the wide IF and the PLL demod, niot sure you are going to win anything be going low baudrate
[13:46] <AndyEsser> hmm
[13:47] <AndyEsser> basically just want a device that would decode simple 2FSK being done by MTX2 or something
[13:47] <adamgreig> yea, it'l do that, though it might struggle with the very low shifts we use
[13:47] <AndyEsser> it's not for HAB
[13:47] <adamgreig> ah
[13:47] <adamgreig> then why all this
[13:47] <adamgreig> get one of the fsk transceiver chips and use its onboard modem
[13:47] <adamgreig> or lora or whatever
[13:47] <AndyEsser> so it doesn't need to decode our packet format, or anything
[13:48] <AndyEsser> I just want to have n TXs with GPS
[13:48] <AndyEsser> and a base station to receive
[13:48] <adamgreig> or an rfm98 if you don't wanna do the rf layout yourself
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[13:48] <AndyEsser> within a... field size area
[13:48] <adamgreig> n * cost of a mtx2 is insane
[13:48] <fsphil> bleep net
[13:48] <AndyEsser> totally not to have in collars on sheep...
[13:48] <adamgreig> you have mentioned this before :P
[13:48] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:49] <fsphil> bleat even
[13:49] <AndyEsser> eweBlox
[13:50] <adamgreig> look at either just getting an rfm69 or rfm98 which will do a full transceiver
[13:50] <AndyEsser> cheers
[13:50] <adamgreig> or diy with something like http://onecall.farnell.com/silicon-labs/si4060-b1b-fm/rf-transmitter-142mhz-1-05ghz/dp/2414373 on the transmit
[13:50] <gonzo_> dooing comms on the hoof
[13:50] <adamgreig> do you want a bidirectional link?
[13:50] <AndyEsser> no
[13:50] <AndyEsser> just GPS + Battery Level every 5 mins or so from the collars
[13:51] <adamgreig> that si4060 is £1, you stick a bunch of passives on, use an si4460 to receive or something
[13:51] <adamgreig> and you just give it data packets either end
[13:51] <adamgreig> same deal as using an rfm really
[13:51] <adamgreig> which is probably quicker and easier and cheaper in the end, so do check that out
[13:51] <AndyEsser> awesome cheers
[13:51] <adamgreig> https://hasnet.supplies/rfm69hw
[13:51] <AndyEsser> only reason I was thinking of NTX/NRX modules is that's what I have at home, and have used
[13:52] <AndyEsser> aren't the RFM's quite drifty?
[13:52] <adamgreig> so?
[13:52] <adamgreig> I mean, no, not over the temperature range sheep can survive in
[13:52] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:52] <AndyEsser> true enough
[13:52] <adamgreig> and, no, not when your modulation shift is like 12kHz instead of 300Hz
[13:52] <adamgreig> a 1kHz shift doesn't make any difference then
[13:53] <adamgreig> same deal as we use for ukhasnet
[13:53] <adamgreig> you could probably even use the same protocol ;)
[13:53] <AndyEsser> I could
[13:53] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:53] <edmoore> some loctite threadlockers are amazing
[13:53] <AndyEsser> start calling the sheep "nodes"
[13:53] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:54] <edmoore> they can go into alread-assembled oil-surfaces fixings
[13:55] <AndyEsser> adamgreig ta for help
[13:55] <adamgreig> np
[13:55] <adamgreig> ukhasnet is fun and might work well for you for this
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[13:56] <adamgreig> at least good for a prototype
[13:56] <adamgreig> edmoore: jeez, they penetrate into the assembled thread?
[13:57] <edmoore> yep
[13:57] <edmoore> the green stuff does that
[13:57] <adamgreig> like the opposite of penetrating lubricant?
[13:58] <edmoore> loctite 290
[13:58] <edmoore> yes
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[14:07] <gonzo_> the bearing seating compounds are pretty special. Have used them on car wheel hubs, where a split track has caused an enlarged bearing pocket
[14:08] <edmoore> yeah that's quite nice too
[14:08] <edmoore> no more interference fits
[14:10] <gonzo_> and good for taking that embarassing couple of thou of play out of turned parts
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[14:34] <ballooner> sup
[14:35] <ballooner> new found ballooner here, launching between november 1st and 3rd. Any tips?
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Which country you launching from ?
[14:36] <ballooner> England, South Eastern area. Does this chat have much traffic?
[14:36] <edmoore> payload all tested and working happily on the bench, received with the same kit you'll be receiving with in-flight?
[14:37] <AndyEsser> make sure you're happy that if you were to throw the payload down the stairs, it'd still work
[14:37] <gonzo_> someone will post a link to the 'how to lose your payload' doc
[14:38] <AndyEsser> !wiki payload
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Found 0311 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=payload
[14:38] <AndyEsser> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:how_to_lose_your_flight
[14:39] <ballooner> any cool payloads we could put in? ie changes property in atmosphere etc. thank will read
[14:39] <AndyEsser> What's your goal for launching a balloon?
[14:39] <ballooner> its a school project, so the goal is just to launch and recover.
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Depending on which part of the South East you might have some launch time restrictions applied by CAA
[14:40] <AndyEsser> ballooner: Surrey/Kent way?
[14:40] <ballooner> I believe we have got airspace time booked
[14:41] <ballooner> Hertfordshire
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> flight paths from SE tend to have a good chance of a lot of water involved!
[14:41] <AndyEsser> ballooner: you have a NOTAM filed?
[14:41] <edmoore> you can use the predictor to make a call nearer the time
[14:41] <ballooner> on habhub tracker most balloon flights land inland?
[14:42] <ballooner> what is NOTAM
[14:42] <edmoore> because people do a flight prediction and don't launch if they're unlikely to
[14:42] <edmoore> you must also do this
[14:42] <edmoore> otherwise you will likely lose your payload
[14:42] <ballooner> the pencilled in days are november 1st to 3rd
[14:43] <edmoore> NOTAM is a notice to airmen which is issued by the CAA. You must apply to the CAA for this, usually 28 days in advance. If you understand that someone on your team has secured airspace permission then it'll be this thing that they've done, but do check with them
[14:43] <ballooner> at 4:30 am
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If your launching froma specific site like thw school, might be worth asking for an Hourly prediction page like http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/susf/
[14:43] <ballooner> cheers, any successful balloon flights here
[14:43] <edmoore> hundreds
[14:44] <ballooner> best payload?
[14:44] <edmoore> this is ground zero for ballooning on the internet, this channel
[14:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It shows the landing locations for each hour for several days ahead
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[14:44] <edmoore> there is no best payload
[14:45] <ballooner> all succesful?
[14:45] <edmoore> not all flights are successful
[14:45] <edmoore> some land in the sea
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Quite a lot of the records are held by members here http://arhab.org/
[14:45] <edmoore> some have failures of important componentns during the flight
[14:45] <edmoore> some balloons burst earlier than you predicted
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[14:46] <ballooner> any safeguards?
[14:46] <AndyEsser> You can never be 100% certain to recover
[14:46] <AndyEsser> But proper planning, redundancies - and using the predictor correctly will help
[14:46] <gonzo_> build well, test well, check predictions before committing to launch
[14:46] <gonzo_> snap
[14:46] <ballooner> what testings can we do?
[14:47] <AndyEsser> making sure the payload can be received from the end of a desk
[14:47] <AndyEsser> leaving it running for 24 hours
[14:47] <AndyEsser> sticking it in a freezer whilst TXing
[14:47] <AndyEsser> throwing it down a set of stairs
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Cool it down in a fridge and test
[14:47] <gonzo_> make sure it gets gps lock and holds it
[14:47] <AndyEsser> have more than one TX payload on the same balloon in case one fails
[14:47] <ballooner> interesting, any good budget cameras for this, possibly 360
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> at burst the payload will get flung about in a serious manner!
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 360 cameras will have battery life and temperature problems
[14:48] <gonzo_> do you have a tracking system (balloon and grounbd parts?)
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[14:48] <edmoore> ballooner: if you're launching in 2 weeks, have you got the payload assembled and working on the bench at the school, with you receiving the telemetry from it with your own radio that you'll be using during the actual flight?
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you tested the payload if so what callsign are you using so we can see it on the tracker ?
[14:49] <fsphil> are you using radio or some kind of gsm tracker?
[14:50] <ballooner> payload partially assembled, can you explain callsign meaning
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your transmitter telemetry will need a callsign to be tracked.
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> if your using the UKAB standard then $$callsign, telemetery string*CRC
[14:50] <AndyEsser> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[14:51] <edmoore> get the payload fully assembled and tested
[14:51] <gonzo_> ballooner, poss better if you describe what you have already.
[14:51] <ballooner> cool, can i set up a online stream from the balloon
[14:51] <ballooner> *video feed
[14:51] <edmoore> that is your number 1 priority before the flight
[14:51] <edmoore> use up a whole set of batteries with it sat there finished and working and transmitting
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No you don't have the bandwidth for video!!!!
[14:52] <edmoore> it is impossible to legally send video down from a balloon with the radio restrictions as they are, unless you have access to some very very very serious ground receiving facilties
[14:53] <edmoore> for all practical purposes as a school that means it's impossible
[14:53] <ballooner> we have balloon 500gram , temperature senser, barometer, ultraviolet senser, rasperberry pi tracker
[14:53] <edmoore> that sounds good
[14:53] <ballooner> recording video onto an sd card
[14:53] <edmoore> just get all the electronics assembled and finished and then test it
[14:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your using a Pi-In-The-Sky PITS tracker ?
[14:53] <ballooner> yes
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You have the deisgners on the channel here in that case
[14:54] <ballooner> i believe it is preprogrammed
[14:54] <fsphil> don't believe, know :)
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It has to be configured, but if you have been using the web site for it you will have read all the sections of the manauls ?
[14:55] <edmoore> what is your role in the project ballooner?
[14:55] <fsphil> what equipment do you have for receiving it?
[14:55] <ballooner> im the project manager
[14:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you actually had the transmitter/tracker running and being tracked on spacenear.us yet ?
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[14:56] <ballooner> yes we have
[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Check what callsign was being used then
[14:57] <ballooner> nimbus
[14:57] <ballooner> no its not
[14:57] <ballooner> one minute
[14:58] <ballooner> PANC
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[14:59] <ballooner> no its not
[14:59] <ballooner> one more minute
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nothing for that callsign
[14:59] <ballooner> my deputy is here
[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
[15:00] <ballooner> cool bro
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Hopefully that isn;t the callsign ?
[15:01] <ballooner> none of my deputies knpw
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> As PM it might be something yu want to know in that case!
[15:02] <ballooner> any of you have youtube channels
[15:02] <ballooner> there undermining me
[15:02] <ballooner> *they are
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR0h2PmV28pio_yFO89BjGw
[15:05] <ballooner> liked and subscribed
[15:06] <ballooner> so is it steve or geoff?
[15:06] <Ian_> Ballooner ensure that you maintain a document that has all the essential package details recorded and if you are in charge, CAA permission applicant, then also make sure you put a copy into your back pocket.
[15:06] <ballooner> nice mouista+he btw
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Do you plan on having the spacenear.us tracking system follow you, if so you need the callsign , payload and Flight doc information to hand!
[15:06] <edmoore> ballooner: you might enjoy just reading this quietly for half an hour or so http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[15:06] <ballooner> sorry my deputies
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Where was the PITS hardware sourced from ?
[15:08] <ballooner> cheers for all the good help
[15:08] <ballooner> Cambridge university gave us a subsidy
[15:08] <ballooner> and hardware
[15:08] <adamgreig> cambridge university gave you a pi in the sky?
[15:08] <ballooner> yes
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah did your teacher attend one of the sessions from RPi foundation ?
[15:09] <adamgreig> huh, cool. who did you speak to at cambridge?
[15:09] <ballooner> yeah she did
[15:09] <adamgreig> rpi foundation isn't cambridge university?
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> OK well Steve (rocketman) and Dave (daveake) are both on this channel
[15:10] <ballooner> i dont know, my teacher just said cambridge university
[15:10] <ballooner> who is the original helium ballooner in the uk
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The sessions are held in Cambridge
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[15:11] <philshaq> Hi
[15:11] <ballooner> hi phil
[15:11] <edmoore> ballooner: that is james coxon
[15:11] <philshaq> wow, this is delightfully retro!
[15:11] <edmoore> irc?
[15:12] <philshaq> yes
[15:12] <ballooner> very intelligent people
[15:12] <philshaq> never used it before
[15:12] <edmoore> it's one of those things that doesn't die because it still works quite well
[15:12] <AndyEsser> if it aint broke, don't fix it
[15:12] <philshaq> indeed!
[15:12] <Ian_> I feel that the username ballooner is being used by a group, which is confusing as each question is answered by an individual and gives the impression of not having much in the way of detail
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[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Any idea yet on the callsign you used for testing ?
[15:13] <philshaq> i've just been doing a bit of investigation into launching my first HAB and came across this
[15:13] <ballooner> ballooner is an individual login but has been interfered with by two deputies
[15:14] <Ouyang> is this a majorly european community?
[15:14] <ballooner> yes
[15:14] <edmoore> Ouyang: mostly
[15:14] <edmoore> lots of UK
[15:14] <edmoore> lots of polish
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Dutch
[15:14] <edmoore> yep
[15:14] <Ouyang> oh cool, new yorker here
[15:14] <edmoore> a few americans
[15:14] <edmoore> they're at work atm
[15:14] <ballooner> 9/11 lo
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[15:15] <edmoore> ?
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Australians at the right time
[15:15] <Ouyang> I got tasked with putting 2 way comms on my hab with a $150 budget... anyone have experience with two way comms?
[15:15] <Ouyang> We've only done aprs before
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[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> LoRa is often used these days
[15:15] <adamgreig> Ouyang: buy some lora boards :P
[15:16] <Ouyang> any good links/resources to point me at?
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=61
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=68
[15:16] <Ian_> Glare at deputies and advise that discipline starts with the personal variety. Vague answers will end up in tears sooner or later.
[15:17] <Ouyang> would it be hard to find a prepacked thing? As in just a data in/out connection
[15:17] <adamgreig> what flight computer are you using?
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://github.com/PiInTheSky
[15:17] <adamgreig> availability of prepacked thing depends a lot on what you're already flying
[15:17] <Ouyang> Right now its a teensy
[15:17] <Ouyang> but we were gonna have a stand alone board for comms
[15:17] <Ouyang> I have a pizero,pi3 and arduino uno at disposal
[15:18] <Ouyang> also a few msp430 launchpads
[15:19] <Ouyang> sorry for being so ignorant, just got tasked with this
[15:20] <fsphil> seems to be a theme today :)
[15:21] <Ouyang> PiInTheSky looks cool!
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> have a read of davesblog http://www.daveakerman.com/
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> also the PITS site http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/
[15:27] <Ouyang> 240 quid is a little pricey
[15:27] <Ouyang> thats alot of american gooy boy points
[15:27] <adamgreig> not for long lol
[15:28] <edmoore> yeah wait a month
[15:28] <edmoore> it'll be $10
[15:28] <Ouyang> wait why
[15:28] <edmoore> brexit
[15:28] <Ouyang> oh but seriously why is the pizero one so much more than the other options
[15:28] <adamgreig> it's a whole solution in a box all ready to fly
[15:29] <adamgreig> because people kept buying the boards for the other things and screwing up plugging them together
[15:29] <Ouyang> ive done basic hooking up of sd card readers and sensors with arduino, how many degrees harder would it be to slap https://www.adafruit.com/product/3073 on
[15:30] <edmoore> if you have some experience then none of this is hard
[15:30] <adamgreig> yea that should be easy
[15:30] <Ouyang> oh well then
[15:30] <adamgreig> hardest part will be writing some software but I'm sure there are libraries for arduino
[15:30] <edmoore> you can just get a pi and wire stuff up as you normally would to other stuff
[15:30] <Ouyang> im a software guy so that shouldnt be bad
[15:30] <edmoore> it's just some people literally don;t want to touch electronics
[15:30] <adamgreig> are you an embedded software guy?
[15:30] <adamgreig> I mean it won't be bad, you should do that
[15:30] <edmoore> they need everything ready to go
[15:30] <Ouyang> im going to be
[15:31] <adamgreig> sweet
[15:31] <adamgreig> then yes definitely just buy that thing and wire it up and program it
[15:31] <Ouyang> designing flightsoftware for our school's cubesat
[15:31] <Ouyang> just uh in the early phases
[15:31] <Ouyang> I just don't know much about radios
[15:32] <adamgreig> good chance to learn then
[15:32] <Ouyang> i need to get a ham license some day
[15:32] <Ouyang> one guy in our hab team has one so we are going off of that
[15:38] <Ouyang> any favored retailers/creators of balloons?
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> In the UK we tend to use http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[15:47] <Ouyang> hmm lora seems to be relatively short range in that its under 20km
[15:47] <adamgreig> ground to air it should work well to the horizon
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah not when used in flight with LoS, we only use 10mW for most flights over here in the UK
[15:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[15:49] <Ouyang> oh my gosh that looks like red spaghetti
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its why you test, to resolve the bugs in this case with his GPS I suspect!
[15:52] <Ouyang> does higher frequency = longer range? From what I understand one benefit is higher bandwidth
[15:52] <adamgreig> usually higher frequency means shorter range, if anything
[15:53] <adamgreig> higher bandwidth is usually a benefit
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not necessarily, it doesn't quite work that way. You can get higher bandwidths with higher frequencies yes, but there are other tradeoffs
[15:53] <adamgreig> it's more that when you have direct line of sight to the payload, as in the balloon case, you usually have excellent range anyway
[15:53] <Ouyang> i was reading up on KA bands with the rain effect
[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If you use HF bands then global coverage is possible using something like wispr
[15:54] <Ouyang> is that bouncing between stations?
[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No its a very carefilly chosen lodulation method I'll get you a link
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Modulation* http://picospace.net/
[15:56] <Ouyang> oh god radios is gonna be a hobby i get sucked into
[15:56] <Ouyang> my internship next semester is dealing with all this stuff I think
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> There are a lot of different aspects to it!
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://picospace.net/?cat=34
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Most global flights tend to use APRS in genereal then geofence in extra modes over specific countries as required.
[15:59] <Ouyang> yeah one main this is we wanted a killswitch if it drifts east toward the atlantic or towards those maple syrup lovin canadians
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[15:59] <Ouyang> I imagine launching HAB's in england is fun being on an island
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You mean a Cut Down method to drop the payload ?
[16:00] <Ouyang> yeah, a nichrome wire around the throat of the balloon
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[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well the eaiest answer if fly it around the globe a few times like B64, ten times round the world! UBSEDS18 is currently flying and on its 4th lap now
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !track ubseds18
[16:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds18
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> also sp9uob-11
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !track sp9uob-11
[16:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sp9uob-11
[16:01] <Ouyang> wait what
[16:02] <Ouyang> how long has it been up??
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> several months now for UBSEDS18
[16:02] <Ouyang> that's insane
[16:03] <Ouyang> how does it report location? Iridium/gps?
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No APRS
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> and a backlog when in range
[16:03] <Ouyang> wheres the info page on the balloon?
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/
[16:03] <Ouyang> We thought stanfords 70 hour flight was long
[16:04] <Ouyang> does it just sit at equilibrium?
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[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> B64 was 19 weeks 1 day 9 hours
[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Floaters yes
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://arhab.org/#
[16:05] <Ouyang> is there a recorded record for longest flight?
[16:05] <Vaizki> B-64 has it I think
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> see the link above for records
[16:06] <Vaizki> UBSEDS18 is close to breaking it
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes B64
[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Leo's flight also went over the north pole!
[16:07] <Vaizki> very close indeed
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[20:24] <Upu> Who made a doc for that :)
[20:24] Action: Upu pokes aadamson
[20:25] <aadamson> yeah I know... I'm lazy
[20:25] <aadamson> didn't actually think it would work and what do you know it did... duh
[20:25] <aadamson> not the PZ, but my software
[20:25] <aadamson> Upu, PM
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[21:16] <daveake> There's been a change_me doc for a while
[21:17] <daveake> Usually it's me or you (Upu!) testing when it comes up here
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:07] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[23:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Division No. 19, MB, Canada 10(52.82805,-96.397) at 0312322 meters about 03a day ago
[23:07] <Laurenceb_> !whereis SP9UOB
[23:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03SP9UOB was over 03Peace River, BC, Canada 10(57.40537,-127.3669) at 0313047 meters about 0311 days ago
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[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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