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[04:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6SRC-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6SRC-13
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[05:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
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[06:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Lexus_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Lexus_chase
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[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[07:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !flights
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Current flights: 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !flight 7aa1
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Flight 10(7aa1): 03EOS_T2 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:30 from 03Dorset, UK 10(50.80442,-2.00613)
[07:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !payload 7aa1
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Payload 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1) 03$$EOS_T2 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/570Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[08:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Thats a couple of sharp turns! http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=9f559155dbc77153886596666f9937e5d6e7b417
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[08:18] <Ian_> More like a rogue Easting I would think Geoff. Good morning
[08:19] <Ian_> Assuming S-18 of course
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[08:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F6KED-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F6KED-9
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[08:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh were all back together again
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[08:58] <PE2BZ> !flights
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[08:58] <PE2BZ> !track ubseds18
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds18
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[09:16] <PE2BZ> Good morning. If EOS_T2 does start and goes up my KiwiSDR with 70 cm converter can be tested. I added a label to the frequency which is mentioned on the calendar
[09:16] <PE2BZ> http://pe2bz.dyndns.org:8073/
[09:18] <PE2BZ> It´s not supposed to crash with 3 users :-(
[09:23] <pcal> Hi PE2BZ we're estimating a launch in about 10 minutes if you would like to track
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[09:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> No sign of it on the map yet, are you not receiving it locally ?
[09:24] <pcal> No not yet, the tracker should be turned on soon
[09:24] <pcal> I'll message when it is on
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[09:25] <daveake> This is on the PC that you got hold of last night?
[09:25] <daveake> Has dl-fldigi decoded that tracker on that PC yet ?
[09:26] <pcal> uhh i'm only one of the students helping with the launch so i don't know much
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[09:27] <daveake> Well I hope someone has tested it
[09:28] <daveake> 10 mins before launch is a bit late to be testing something that might not work
[09:28] <pcal> i'm basically waiting for radio to turn on the communications receiver and was told to ask people to track
[09:28] <pcal> I should think he had tested it
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[09:31] <mfa298> !id 2e98
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03EOS_T2 10(389a6a45d48d6bd8841d07d9d3d82e98) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/389a6a45d48d6bd8841d07d9d3d82e98
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03EOS_T2
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/570Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> Last parsed: 0314 hours ago
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[09:32] <mfa298> that's an improvment on the 3 months it was a couple of days ago
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[09:33] <mfa298> but I think the usual recommendation is get the tracker working before filling the balloon.
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[09:33] <daveake> yup
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[09:33] <mfa298> otherwise you end up having someone holdign the balloon for a long time if the tracker doesn't work (and worst case waste the balloon and gas)
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[09:34] <Geoff_G8DHE> learning curve
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[09:53] <PE2BZ> pcal thanks. WIsh you a good flight !
[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_T2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_T2
[09:56] <PE2BZ> At least one receiver online :-)
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[09:57] <mfa298> working in hab time I see
[09:59] Action: mfa298 wonders if the details (frequency in particular) in the payload doc are correct
[10:00] <pcal> tracking has begun on my end
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[10:01] <mfa298> pcal: what frequency is it on ?
[10:01] <pcal> 434.653.73
[10:01] <mfa298> and can you let us know when you're about to launch. there's potentially a few people who can get it early on after launch
[10:02] <pcal> launching very soon
[10:02] <pcal> 5 minutes or less
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial EOS_T2
[10:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1): 03434.651 MHz
[10:05] <pcal> i'm off radio contact so someone will come to tell me when it has launched
[10:06] <pcal> I can't see exactly from where i am either
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[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/EOS-T2
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[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its up
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> maybe not
[10:10] <mfa298> they've had their 5 minutes ;)
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[10:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0FR-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0FR-11
[10:11] <PE2BZ> So less is more ;-)
[10:11] <pcal> I'm unsure why it hasn't launched yet and i can't exactly go check either, i'm very sorry for inaccuracy of timing
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Don´t feel to much pressure :-)
[10:12] <mfa298> pcal: don't worry, most of us know these things usually take longer than expected
[10:12] <mfa298> !wiki ish_time
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: No results for your query
[10:12] <daveake> !wiki glossary ish
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: No results for your query
[10:12] <daveake> !wiki glossary
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03glossary (general) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Wiki page 03ish (general:glossary) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary:ish
[10:13] <PE2BZ> It will take some time for me to get in reach of my RX on the other side of the great water
[10:13] <mfa298> I'd hope to hear it shortly after it goes up.
[10:14] <pcal> I'll tell you the moment the person comes to see me
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[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm update stopped ...
[10:20] <mfa298> im half surprised gonzo_ hasn't appeared here yet
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[10:20] <gonzo_> only just checked the tracker and seen that there is a launch
[10:20] <gonzo_> like, 30sec ago!
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> in your back garden
[10:20] <gonzo_> almpst
[10:21] <mfa298> I wondered if you hadn't realised there was a local launch yet, I think the only notification was the flight doc
[10:25] <daveake> 10m since last update; wonder what's happening
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> perhaps it did launch sans payload!
[10:27] <gonzo_> what freq/mode etc?
[10:27] <mfa298> should be 434.654 and rtty 300 bd I think
[10:27] <daveake> .653 300 baud
[10:27] <mfa298> although that's only based on launch site so far
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[10:29] <gonzo_> ta, still waitiong for the web browser to boot
[10:30] <daveake> no rush
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm, telemetry gone bad on the logtail
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$EOS_T2,18,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,22.0,6.0,82*602F\n",
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> lost GPS
[10:32] Action: mfa298 should have done the shopping when we had the 10 minute warning (an hour ago)
[10:33] <daveake> I couldn't even see that line with all the other stuff in the logtail
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pause it and ctrl-F for me!
[10:34] <daveake> I tried that but obviously didn't have enough log
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> yer its flowing at a rate
[10:35] <daveake> Last valid position had 11 sats, so it's odd that it's gone from that to zero
[10:35] <mfa298> hmm, reset? the one I just saw was EOS_T2,4
[10:35] <daveake> ah yeah it's reset
[10:35] <gonzo_> anyone in here who is on site?
[10:36] <daveake> pcal is somewhere near I think
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> there was pcal
[10:36] <gonzo_> and do we know the launch team?
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[10:36] <trickv> quick Q about SSDV tracking: in dl-fldigi, do I leave the Packet Upload URL set to www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/data.php ? or should this be set to ssdv.habhub.org?
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> first redirects I think
[10:37] <daveake> yeah should be the latter
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[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah restarted new image 1 appeared#
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> new telelmetry
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[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its up ..... again ;-)
[10:40] <daveake> :)
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh maybe
[10:41] <daveake> hah
[10:41] <mfa298> or not ?
[10:41] <PE2BZ> someone has a long rope....
[10:41] <daveake> wtf
[10:41] <daveake> 0m is below ground level
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> some ones run off with it ?
[10:41] <gonzo_> or dropped it
[10:42] <daveake> Or switched on a chinese camera
[10:42] <pcal> I have no clue what's happening
[10:42] <gonzo_> it's been given laps of the field, as a punishment
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[10:42] <daveake> 0 sats
[10:42] <PE2BZ> some gps spoofing for pokemon catching ...
[10:43] <gonzo_> shame I didn't realise earlier, could have got the local AR club cued up for rx
[10:44] <pcal> I hear cars and shouting in the distance
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> locked up again $$EOS_T2,48,10:41:44,50.80458,-2.00539,00123,13,0,0,26.1,6.1,82*897A\n
[10:44] <PE2BZ> Image 4 is showing sky
[10:44] <pcal> this is the only feedback i've had
[10:44] <mfa298> looks like new image from eos_t2 is different to the earlier oens so might be interesting
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[10:47] <daveake> Is the shouting "please don't launch you don't have GPS lock!" ?
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[10:48] <PE2BZ> lol
[10:48] <mfa298> I'd have thougt gonzo_ or myself would have heard something if it had continued up
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its still appearing in the logtail but the same record
[10:49] <mfa298> might be a new image soon ...
[10:50] <daveake> No the same record - same GPS though
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> agreed
[10:50] <mfa298> slightly different sky ...
[10:50] <daveake> Same record would have to be a PITS bug. Unthinkable :p
[10:50] <gonzo_> should see it when a few 100mtrs up
[10:52] <PE2BZ> It´s the newer version POTG
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO1TJG_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO1TJG_chase
[10:57] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[10:58] <pb0ahx> !payload dk0fr-11
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:58] <mfa298> hmmm, been reset again by the looks of things
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[11:02] <daveake> PE2BZ: You're spamming the logtail at the mo ... any chance you could turn off the habitat upload on that gateway ?
[11:05] <daveake> pcal I think your payload has GPS issues - possibly the aerial is close to something that is interfering with it. Any chance you could get a message to the launch team?
[11:06] <daveake> At the mo they seem to be just power-cycling in the hope of fixing it. I won't fix it.
[11:06] <daveake> s/I/It/
[11:06] <pcal> unfortunately i can't
[11:07] <pcal> This hasn't been very well prepared it seems
[11:07] <mfa298> better still trying to get someone from the launch team onto irc
[11:07] <mfa298> pcal: we've seen worse, much worse.
[11:07] <pb0ahx> daveake, i turn off my upload
[11:07] <daveake> ta :)
[11:09] <daveake> Also pcal, 20 mins left on your notam
[11:09] <pcal> oh jeez
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah a lock
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> can it hold it
[11:10] <daveake> 0 sats
[11:11] <daveake> woo 5
[11:11] <gonzo_> or they have shielded the gps ant?
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[11:13] <mfa298> that's quite some prediction it has at the moment
[11:13] <daveake> It's really struggling
[11:13] <mfa298> russia, via iceland and going north of scandanavia (not that its a realistic prediction)
[11:13] <gonzo_> just up the spine of the uk is good
[11:14] <gonzo_> from the rx'ing poiinbt of view
[11:14] <daveake> pcal Can't you phone someone, or walk/run there? This is not going to go well with the GPS issues.
[11:15] <daveake> It's quite possibly a simple fix of giving the GPS antenna a better view, or removing an interfering camera
[11:15] <pcal> i can run there but i will have to leave the tracker unattended
[11:15] <daveake> least of the problems
[11:15] <pcal> you will have to tell me what to say to them word for word
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[11:15] <daveake> The GPS antenna is struggling so
[11:15] <daveake> a) if it's not on the top of the payload, put it there
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[11:16] <daveake> b) if it's covered by any metal, foil for example, remove that
[11:16] <daveake> c) if there's a camera, especially a cheap chinese action cam, near the GPS antenna, remove it (do not fly it)
[11:17] <daveake> d) make sure the GPS plug is screwed in fully
[11:17] <daveake> That's it, go :)
[11:17] <pcal> ok thanks
[11:19] <gonzo_> on the last pic, looks like someone has the balloon tied around them
[11:19] <gonzo_> one way to avoid losing it
[11:20] <gonzo_> onless they have .....
[11:20] <gonzo_> sigs up
[11:20] <mfa298> I thnink I can see some rtty as well
[11:20] <gonzo_> green
[11:21] <gonzo_> that was quick!
[11:21] <daveake> launchged
[11:21] <daveake> with 5 sats
[11:21] <daveake> fingers crossed that doesn't get worse
[11:21] <gonzo_> pcal poss didn't get there in tiume
[11:21] <gonzo_> fingers crossed they keep lock
[11:21] <gonzo_> snap
[11:21] <daveake> 0 and 4 sats just now
[11:22] <pcal> I got there as it launched
[11:22] <daveake> Ah well. Might get away with it. Might not.
[11:22] <pcal> I showed it to my teacher and he said that's ok go back to tracking
[11:22] <daveake> Thanks for trying.
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> sats back t 0
[11:23] <mfa298> down to 0 sats
[11:23] <daveake> Your teacher sounds more confident of a good result than I am
[11:24] <mfa298> back to 5 sats :)
[11:24] <pcal> all i can do is hope i guess
[11:24] <daveake> Not much point being there for tracking if there's nothing to track. Possible a topic for post-flight discussion ...
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[11:25] <mfa298> pcal: one thing to raise post launch is comms between tracking and the lauch team (don't worry about it too much now)
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[11:26] <garymortimer> Oerfect back from Saturday shopping and a balloon to watch, the South African launch earlier was another cock up!
[11:28] <garymortimer> I wonder how long it will take this payload to spot the Americans at Croughton
[11:28] <gonzo_> but it's a school launch, so if you post any pub recomendations, make sure they have a beer garden so the kids can sit outside with a bottle of vimto and pack of crisps
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[11:28] <garymortimer> The only thing to go with vimto is cider!
[11:28] <garymortimer> Maybe that was a westcountry thing
[11:29] <garymortimer> Ah I see the payload has seen Croughton
[11:29] <gonzo_> as a kid, I was usually parked outside when the folks went for a drink. And often met othyer kids in same situation, so it was quite good rerally
[11:30] <gonzo_> but vimto bottle with a straw and crisps seemed to be std fayre for beer garden kids
[11:30] <garymortimer> Mine are getting old enough to buy the beer and drive me there! Hooray
[11:30] <gonzo_> these days all you find in beer gardens is the smokers
[11:30] <gonzo_> snap, Just a few years. Though car insurance, I could buy a taxi for the year
[11:30] <garymortimer> Sadly that is very true, down here smokers are confined to glass boxes in restaurants
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[11:31] <gonzo_> in the summer you can't go outside to drink as you get arsey smokers who think it';s recerved for them (and it stinks of old fag ends)
[11:32] <garymortimer> Its a fairly slow cross country drive from that launch site. I would certainly be underway
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> pcal, are there any images on the web of the payload ?
[11:33] <pcal> http://www.projecteos.co.uk/
[11:33] <pcal> this is our website documenting the whole thing
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thx
[11:34] <pcal> the comments are filled with spam thought so ignore those
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[11:36] <spookydillow> Is Action-Man onboard?
[11:37] <garymortimer> Hes holding the camera ;-)
[11:38] <hyde00001> i've got all manner of signals around 4.650, but none look or sound like RTTY... Does anyone have a decent frequency?
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial eos_t2
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EOS_T2 10(7aa1): 03434.654 MHz, 443.598 MHz
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[11:39] <ron_g8fjg> .654 for 1 khz centre
[11:39] <mfa298> I'm on .654 although not reporting correctly (ignore the 443.598 I think that's me but I don't have the cable in for rigcat at the moment)
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[11:42] <mfa298> wow, that's quite a small number of listeners so far for this flight, although I suppose 6km is still quite low
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> its got quite a deep null in the aerial pattern which is disrupting frames for me
[11:43] <mfa298> I was starting to notice that, although also 10deg elevation might not help much
[11:43] <ron_g8fjg> Its a good sig here ..but right on the edge of nasty qrm spike
[11:44] <gonzo_> sound card issues, just had to reboot
[11:46] <hyde00001> 4.654.3 decoded some SSDV - i'm using 300/600 with plenty of qrm nearby...
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_C1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_C1_chase
[11:47] <garymortimer> Oh dear popped???
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> no stas so I think its lost data
[11:48] <ron_g8fjg> phew
[11:48] <garymortimer> oh no its goign up again
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah the spin has slowed down
[11:48] <mfa298> i had it fading in and out a lot so was getting bad packets
[11:50] <ron_g8fjg> the new v of fl-digi wont display the ssdv here....any ideas?....the ssdv rx "box" shows received and lost packets ...but no picture
[11:50] <gonzo_> finally back rxing here
[11:51] <mfa298> ron_g8fjg: I was seeing the same here, although it looks like it migt be saving them fine
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> there are several bugs in picture handling there isn't any w/f image saved eithert
[11:52] <mfa298> I also noticed the setup screens need some work for the new version (just installed it on the machine I'm tracking on today)
[11:53] <ron_g8fjg> ok both...thats one reason I'm running two versions
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-N1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-N1
[11:54] <garymortimer> Is there a way to filter out the roofs on SSDV?
[11:55] <Guest72287> Hello Gary SA
[11:56] <mfa298> garymortimer: stick /<payloadname> on the end of the url
[11:56] <garymortimer> Hello Guest 72287 ;-)
[11:56] <mfa298> and that will show just the one you want
[11:56] <garymortimer> thanks mfa
[11:56] <garymortimer> cheers
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[11:56] <garymortimer> beaut https://ssdv.habhub.org/EOS-T2
[11:57] <garymortimer> A34 for the crew then
[11:59] <mfa298> interesting, it seemed to send an older packet a couple of times just then
[12:00] <garymortimer> WOW another balloon in South Africa!!!! RPF-N1
[12:00] <garymortimer> Two in a single day here would be a first!
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> carrier
[12:01] <gonzo_> ditto
[12:01] <mfa298> hmmmm, just gone to carrier, thas not a goodsign
[12:01] <spookydillow> A couple of great pictures from EOS T2. Signal is just reaching Yorkshire
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> lost the sats again last string $$EOS_T2,161,11:59:52,51.26084,-1.75241,11616,72,28,0,0.1,5.8,109*14AB\n
[12:03] <mfa298> i thnk it kept loosing and finding them.
[12:03] <mfa298> it gave a 10km pos earlier then went back to 9km for a couple of rounds (although all with 0 sats I think)
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[12:06] <garymortimer> It has been showing a low sat count
[12:07] <garymortimer> Fingers crossed its just the cold.
[12:08] <mfa298> very few packets had a decent sat count looking at the stored data
[12:08] <garymortimer> Yeah I noticed that earlier just watching it.
[12:09] <rob_m0dts> i have a habit of only trying to track balloons when something goes amiss, tuned into first balloon today for ages!
[12:10] <garymortimer> I like the temperature of the payload in South Africa, 34C its about 31 here right now so a pleasant spring day
[12:11] <G8AFC> For what it's worth - the carrier is consistently strong here in sunny manchester
[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DH5WM_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DH5WM_chase
[12:11] <mfa298> that temperature was dropping quite quickly
[12:12] <mfa298> although I'm not sure it should have stopped at 0degrees.
[12:14] <garymortimer> EOS chase just going past the factory that makes speed cameras
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It was staying on the prediction line very well up to time of loss http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=3d52556f1a0e254d7c825436a7525334cb06b6e2
[12:16] <jakeio> I'm picking up a weak signal, nothing strong enough to decode though. My Yagi's made from coat hangers so that's no surprise.
[12:17] <mfa298> jakeio: there's currently nothing to decode from EOS, it's just a carrier (for 15 mins now)
[12:17] <jakeio> Oh, that would explain many things.
[12:17] <jakeio> Is that intended?
[12:18] <garymortimer> Time toinclude direction finding mode\
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/EOS-T2_20161015/index.php?ind=2
[12:18] <mfa298> I don't think so (I'd hope not) but they've been having some issues
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[12:19] <garymortimer> That prediction Geoff has it not far from a South African shop Geoff http://www.tasteofsouthafrica.com/
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[12:21] <jakeio> Remember I came on asking for people to be my research subjects for my market research for my A-Level Comp Sci project?
[12:22] <jakeio> Well, I have to have screenshots proving that I've done that, else the exam board will think that I've made you all up.
[12:22] <jakeio> So, could I just ask you some questions, anyone can answer?
[12:23] <garymortimer> You have done very well at creating all these accounts Jake, that should be enough
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[12:24] <udat> :)
[12:24] <PE2BZ> daveake sorry for the trouble. My ¨followers¨ every now and then forget to disable the habitat after lora reception. I stopped TX until they respond to my email message
[12:24] <jakeio> Sorry one sec, let me find the hexchat window for garymortimer.
[12:25] <Upu> This flight carrier only atm ?
[12:25] <garymortimer> Yes
[12:25] <Upu> ouch
[12:25] <Upu> 12km limit ?
[12:25] <Upu> Isn't this a pits ?
[12:25] <garymortimer> I think so
[12:25] <daveake> It is, however gps issues from the start
[12:25] <Upu> ok then thats odd
[12:26] <Upu> oh jammed out ?
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[12:26] <pcal1> hi Ben are you on?
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> There is a GoPro on board as well
[12:26] <mfa298> also hit 0degrees temperature, I wonder how many other pits have got that cold
[12:26] <garymortimer> pcal did you see Geoffs prediction went a little short of whats showing on the map now
[12:26] <udat> jakeio: there's an irc log from the bot at http://habhub.org/zeusbot/search.html if you need to reference past conversations?
[12:26] <PE2BZ> pcal1 do you mean me ?
[12:26] <daveake> I've run then a lot colder
[12:27] <garymortimer> yes I think you are chasing
[12:27] <pcal1> hi Geoff were you tracking EOS?#
[12:27] <jakeio> Done that udat, there are a few things that are unusable in the write up due to my mentioning the fact its for a write up...
[12:27] <Upu> EOS is still transmitting, just carrier only though
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes have been all orning
[12:28] <udat> ahh, just noticed it yesterday and it's handy :)
[12:28] <PE2BZ> Upu tnx that means I do receive it....
[12:28] <pcal> We're not picking up anything over here
[12:29] <mfa298> pcal: a few of us are tracking it, but it's just carrier at the moment, no data
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No its failed to carrier only at present, but it was following quite accurately the 5/ms/30Km burst prediction
[12:29] <mfa298> carrier meaning theres just a single tone
[12:29] <pcal> ah ok thanks
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[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> do you know what the exoected burst height was pcal ?
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> expaected*
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> urgh
[12:30] <pcal1_> 34000m
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> in that case it should follow much the same path but a bit further North
[12:30] <pcal1_> im picking up a signal bbut it's gibberish
[12:30] <pcal1_> okay
[12:31] <garymortimer> That moves it East a little
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes I guess as well North of Oxford itself
[12:31] <garymortimer> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=87b56a43c1a3fbd37955556294f0f85d2e89a65b but Geoff is King of these thing
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[12:32] <pcal1_> where are you guys?
[12:32] <Upu> I'm in Yorkshire
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Sussex
[12:32] <Upu> itys quite a strong carrier
[12:32] <garymortimer> South Africa
[12:32] <Upu> heh
[12:32] <pcal1_> yes i have a carrier
[12:33] <mfa298> pcal: for some people you'll see similarities between their names here and names on antennas on the map (I'm M1ARI in Southampton on the map)
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> hyde0001 will be quite close the predicted landng area!
[12:33] <pcal1_> okay geoff.. well we are on our way#
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[12:35] <garymortimer> Its all pretty flat ground out there as well you can get up a little higher just East of Oxford around forest hill
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[12:37] <G8AFC> Probably too far away to be of any use to you - but it is peaking at 170 degrees for me (from Manchester)
[12:37] <pcal1_> okay thanks showing just east of bicester nr M40
[12:38] <garymortimer> Might be a little bit further south if it did go to 34k, who knows it might pop up again sub 10000m
[12:39] <PE2BZ> at the moment I assume it to be up at more than 12 km altitude
[12:39] <garymortimer> Shuold be
[12:39] <PE2BZ> I still receive the carrier and I am 40 km out of the blue circle
[12:40] <gonzo_> still strong carrier here
[12:41] <jakeio> My A-Level Comp Sci project that I was talking about is the development of a software suite for 2-way communications with airborne HABs. This includes payload software, receiver software and server software. I will pose a few questions and if anyone has anything to input I'd be grateful for it! This is for my client research.
[12:42] <jakeio> Firstly, a small bit of info, the software will be running off a LoRa module with a transmit and receive cycle, packets will be queued between transmit cycles.
[12:43] <pcal1_> I'm still getting the carrier just have to hope
[12:43] <mfa298> should be somewhere around 24km now, based on 5m/s and last height
[12:43] <pcal1_> do you think it's onn it's way down?
[12:44] <garymortimer> my bad, long way to go then!
[12:44] <udat> PE2BZ: frequency? seeing a carrier drifting about a little at .6543
[12:44] <jakeio> Actually, I shall ask these questions later, don't want to be annoying during the stress of a flight!
[12:44] <PE2BZ> udat thats him !
[12:45] <mfa298> I'd estimate burst in ~30 mins if it busrsts at 34km and is doing 5m/s (so educated guess rather than anything else)
[12:45] <PE2BZ> I would not say it´s going down yet
[12:46] <udat> PE2BZ: ahh cool, yeah its stringish here, likely similar distance away
[12:46] <Upu> listen to the carrier you'll hear the burstr
[12:46] <Upu> it will wobble
[12:47] Action: PE2BZ is hearing this long beep in his ears...
[12:47] <Upu> me too lol
[12:47] <pcal1_> well you can see the chase car so we're not quite at oxford yet
[12:48] <daveake> Welcome to the world of tinnitus :-/
[12:48] <Upu> Hmm
[12:48] <Upu> daveake: theory craft if the Pi died and rebooted then got stuck in a reboot loop
[12:48] <PE2BZ> Tinnitus with volume control :-)
[12:48] <Upu> would the MTX2 stay active ?
[12:49] <garymortimer> I would wait here http://www.risingsunickford.com/
[12:49] <daveake> The carrier would drop out
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Never saw the carrier drop out at all
[12:49] <Upu> yeah it keeps very briefly dropping
[12:49] <Upu> if you listen to it
[12:50] <daveake> Yeah you can hear it rebooting
[12:50] <Upu> quite nice actually
[12:50] <mfa298> I think it's fading rather than being turned off
[12:50] <mfa298> it was fading quite a lot earlier in the flight so presumably some bad nulls on the antenna
[12:50] <Upu> right sadly I have to go to a 1 year olds birthday party wish me luck
[12:51] <garymortimer> Good luck
[12:52] Nick change: zer0rest -> zer0rest_
[12:53] <pcal1_> we're just pulling up a sec
[12:53] <mfa298> seems a lot more fady now. I wonder if thats the predicted turn.
[12:53] Nick change: zer0rest_ -> zer0rest
[12:53] <pcal1_> yes fading here too
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake, how long would the carrier be off for durng a reboot ?
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[12:55] <daveake> Momentarily iirc
[12:56] <DK0FR-P> DK0FR-11 landed
[12:56] <DK0FR-P> might take a chainsaw to retrieve the payload
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> mum can't see anything less than 10msec on the waterfall so oit must be quicker than that
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[13:00] <pcal1_> seems to be south of us now
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[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> That sounds about right
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> flight time preiction was 2:25 for a burst at 30Km so maybe a little longer than that if it goes higher
[13:02] <udat> gone from the vertical and weaker on the beam
[13:02] <mfa298> should be around 30km now if it was doing 5m/s
[13:02] Nick change: pjm_ -> pjm
[13:02] <Ian_> Good thinking jakeio. Also less confusing for yourself in the long run. Always best to have a single conversation for sanity sake at times.
[13:03] <gonzo_> still good here, fading but recon would get rtty
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> launch @ 12:20 + 2:25 so 14:45+ maybe for landing
[13:03] <jakeio> Ian_, I'll start pestering with questions at about 3pm!
[13:04] <Ian_> I hope that the pcal student is taking notes. He will be learning a lot of lessons here and be in a good position to ask difficult questions at the wash up/debrief :) Go for it!
[13:04] <garymortimer> Is it as windy in Ashburton as it is here VictorHugo
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[13:05] <udat> gone from the beam too now
[13:05] <victorhugo> Hello Yes..just tested Skruffy2 for future launch
[13:05] <pcal1_> on our way back
[13:06] <garymortimer> not seeing it on the map yet Vic
[13:06] <Ian_> It will be good if EOS-T2 is successfully retrieved at the end of the flight and the analysis of what went wrong is as good as the SpaceX investigations.
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> You mean gunmen on top of tall buldings ?
[13:07] <garymortimer> As long as they are close they should be able to DF the carrier
[13:07] Nick change: Halfdead_ -> Halfdead
[13:07] <Ian_> pcall_ on your way back? Clarify please?
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[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stay where you are pcal1_ it will come to you
[13:08] <Ian_> What's the current prediction for altitude < 10Km?
[13:08] <Ian_> Time wise
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[13:09] <garymortimer> Get out East of Oxford its a crappy drive then find high ground and wait. Are others still hearing carrier?
[13:10] <garymortimer> I can't get the Southampton WebSDR to work so can't hear
[13:10] <mfa298> I've still got a very strong carrier in southampton
[13:11] <Ian_> From the track extension, there are a number of potential receivers in Southampton so not exactly in the boonies.
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[13:11] <mfa298> and I'd expect it to start dropping off as it goes east of oxford due to building in the way
[13:11] <gonzo_> drifted 300hz higher than whenm the rtty died
[13:11] <gonzo_> so getting colder?
[13:11] <gonzo_> though poss this rx is drifting
[13:11] <gonzo_> (gpsdo is offline)
[13:12] <mfa298> it has been drifing a bit although didnt keep track of where it was when it went off
[13:12] <Ian_> Any guesses for time of altitude < 10km?
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its drifting high very slowly all the time my Airspy has a lot less drift than that
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[13:13] <Ian_> A bit like waiting for an atmosphere re-entry . . .
[13:14] <udat> it went from my vertical about 15-20 minutes ago then beam 10 minutes or so
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its still strong with me so must be above 6Km I would guess at this stage
[13:15] Action: udat might have been able to work this out 20 years ago..
[13:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKRUFFY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKRUFFY
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> once it drops out for me then it will be between 5-6Km normally as it drops behind the downs
[13:15] <garymortimer> Is the chase aiming to hit the 420 and go north of Oxford?
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> its beginnin g to fade a bit now
[13:16] <G8AFC> Still a good signal in Manchester - 2 x 88 ele beams (horizontal) - need about 7.8Km from here for line of sight to balloon area
[13:16] <garymortimer> skruffy is up Vic, I would listen out but you have all my receivers ;-)
[13:16] <ron_g8fjg> its gone 350 hz high ..spin slowed at a few mins past 2..now freq going lower. on my az el its 272 deg az / 12 deg ele
[13:16] <udat> G8AFC: 2x88, picture?
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[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup going for me now 6Kms my guess 20minutes till landing
[13:18] <victorhugo> garymortimer it works like a dream
[13:20] <mfa298> I'm still hearing it quite strongly and I'd have thought I'd have lost it earlier if going down
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[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> pcal1_ do you have a small beam to Direction Find it when you get close ?
[13:20] <pcal1_> wehave a very strong signal, so we think it's down and are going to have a look..... back later
[13:21] <pcal1_> yes we do
[13:21] <G8AFC> just about gone (going fast!!) here
[13:21] <gonzo_> trace here
[13:21] <hyde00001> FWIW, i have strong carrier in NE Oxford, i'm going to a nice hill between my house and BIcester for a listen - but i only have a magnetic car aeriel
[13:21] <hyde00001> are there any tricks for direction using same?
[13:22] <Ian_> pcall note the headings at intervals, so that you can look back and get an idea for rudimentary triangulation.
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[13:22] <Ian_> hyde00001 body shading of antenna
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> You could try looking for a null off the end of the aerial unmounted from the car but won't be accurate
[13:22] <garymortimer_> does it still look like east of oxford geoff?
[13:22] <mfa298> and can't be down yet as I can still hear it (although getting weaker)
[13:23] <garymortimer_> +1 body shading
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[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> On my beam heading it would be a little South when I lost it
[13:23] <Ian_> Nothing to do with applying suntan cream
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> but I know quite accurately the height when I loose stuff!
[13:23] <garymortimer_> I loose stuff sat at my desk
[13:24] <ron_g8fjg> gone from my az el!! quite quickly odd
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[13:24] <Ian_> pcall note that Geoff-G8DHE has made notes in the past (mental or otherwise) and so know when signals will disappear. Invaluable info
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> We assume a 5m/s descent might be faster of course
[13:24] <mfa298> gone into the noise for me so I'm guessing ~2km
[13:24] <DK0FR-P> unlucky us, DK0FR-11 stuck at the top of a 40m tree
[13:25] <mfa298> possibly higher
[13:25] <Ian_> DK0FR-P look around for tame lumberjack in need of a beer.
[13:26] <DK0FR-P> we brought a ladder
[13:26] <DK0FR-P> silly us
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[13:26] <Ian_> Need a capuchin monkey really!
[13:26] <PE2BZ> drone with chainsaw
[13:26] <garymortimer_> could hyde00001 hear it?
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes it was strong for him he was going mobile
[13:26] <Ian_> drone with a monkey and a chainsaw
[13:27] <DK0FR-P> http://imgur.com/a/SlYUl
[13:27] <DK0FR-P> look at that
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice one NOT!
[13:27] <PE2BZ> Scheisse :-(
[13:27] <DK0FR-P> monkey drone sounds about right
[13:27] <Ian_> A plucky youngster on a bit of string :)
[13:28] <DK0FR-P> :) will be curious how the chase team gets it down
[13:29] <DK0FR-P> really long stick maybe?
[13:29] <DK0FR-P> last one landed in the middle of a parking spot
[13:29] <DK0FR-P> missed the trash can by 0.5m
[13:29] <Ian_> :) Bit like early SpaceX booster landings then!
[13:30] <DK0FR-P> :)
[13:35] <hyde0000_> grrr fl-digi hung as i was driving, didn't notice, now no signal...
[13:40] <PE2BZ> DK0FR-P I stared at the payload for 10 minutes now. Still looks not impressed. It does not move one inch...
[13:45] <DK0FR-P> PE2BZ: :P
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[13:53] <jakeio> Any news on EOS?
[13:57] <G8AFC> udat - antenna photo on QRZ.com
[13:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BMV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BMV-11
[14:00] <hyde0000_> fwiw, in driving around, all i have achieved is loosing the carrier I had... no signal from Brill which is about as high as it gets around here with a 360 view...
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[14:10] <daveake> pcal1_: If you have a signal and a Yagi you can direction-find, using the null (when the aerial is pointing at 90 degrees to the signal)
[14:10] <garymortimer_> Yes if you can hear it you can find it...
[14:11] <garymortimer_> Then you were close when you started hyde, or it was still in the air
[14:12] <hyde0000_> well i'll drive home then!
[14:13] <garymortimer_> I reckon brill was too far north
[14:14] <garymortimer_> did you go through worminghall to get there?
[14:14] <hyde0000_> EOS Chase look like they are in the Fox Inn (only a very small beer garden for the vimto...)
[14:15] <garymortimer_> Its important to have a place to plan
[14:15] <hyde0000_> from Marston (home) via Islip to brill. Was in Islip railway station when noticed fl-digi waterfall not updating...
[14:16] <hyde0000_> had signal in Marston, where will head back to now
[14:16] <pcal1_> Hi Dave, yes we tried couldn't find it and the signal stopped dead about 10 mins after we left the car
[14:16] <garymortimer_> the last prediction I had put it in teh waterperry area
[14:16] <pcal1_> we know the direction but not the distance
[14:17] <garymortimer_> then draw a line on a map
[14:17] <hyde0000_> i can go via there on my way home... might be in Rowan Atkinsons (very large) garden..
[14:17] <garymortimer_> move position and repeat the process
[14:17] <pcal1_> can't signal is gone
[14:18] <garymortimer_> You are on teh wrong side of oxfrod I think
[14:18] <garymortimer_> hyde is driving around a more likely area
[14:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The origina prediction was to the West based on30Km burst, 34Km put NE, but of course it could have burst even earlier so searching West and South of Oford wouldn't be silly to do.
[14:19] <pcal1_> well we were heading north through oxford and the signal was behind us
[14:20] <pcal1_> so we went back and turned off - signal was really strong when we stopped
[14:21] <garymortimer_> Fair enough Geoff, lets see if hyde hears it again
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Boars Hill looks a little raised above the genereal area SW of Oxford and a road runs right over it ...
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ridgeway
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[14:27] <pcal1> We are in the Fox inn!!
[14:27] <pcal1> Having a beer!
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Enjoy
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[14:28] <pcal1> The carrier was definately behind us when we reached Oxford
[14:29] <pcal1> Thank you... sad end to the day
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[14:41] <hyde00001> pcall fwiw, there is an easy access bit of the ridegeway to the south of Oxford which might make a place for "one last listen"
[14:41] <hyde00001> turn off a34 just south of Chilton - there is a petrol statin
[14:42] <hyde00001> immediately before the junction.. follow the road up bury lan which is quite a steep hill and there is easy parking no more tahn 300m from a34 with an excellent 360 view
[14:44] <hyde00001> nothing i can find in Worminghall, waterperry area but i don't have a very sensitive aerial (mental note must make/buy a yagi)
[14:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-11
[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-13
[14:47] <jakeio> Would it be alright if I began my questioning about now?
[14:50] <Ian_> Shoot
[14:51] <jakeio> OK.
[14:51] <jakeio> So.
[14:51] <jakeio> My A-Level computing project is to develop a software suite for 2-way communications with airborne HAB payload.
[14:52] <jakeio> I've settled on a system with one LoRa radio on each end with a cycle of transmit and receive with packets being queued for transmission while in receive mode.
[14:52] <jakeio> I need to ask some questions in order to gain sufficient evidence of market research.
[14:52] <Ian_> Define A=Ground B=Air
[14:52] <jakeio> OK.
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[14:53] <Ian_> What protocol, GPS time slots?
[14:54] <jakeio> Would it be useful to have a system where multiple users can contribute to the receiving and transmitting of packets to the payload, in a similar way to how we all contribute to tracking at present, however, with the added ability of helping with transmitting.
[14:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF6RFX-3
[14:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF6RFX-4
[14:54] <jakeio> And protocol will be...
[14:55] <Ian_> I would have a single A node. Any messages by internet to A for transmission or you risk collisions
[14:55] <jakeio> B sends a packet that says "I'm listening" and then switches to receive mode, A then transmits an acknowledgement packet and begins transmitting it's queued data, when A has finished and no packets are received for a short while by B then B returns to transmit mode and A receives.
[14:55] <Ian_> Then you can manage the tx in slots available to A and B may need to acknowledge receipt
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[14:57] <Ian_> A should transmit packet/s in it's time slot as long as confidence is high that the B airborne node has a GPS lock for timing fidelity
[14:57] <jakeio> Ah, I've come up with a way to coordinate the multiple transceivers, in that the other transceivers will only be used instead of the main one if the main one fails to communicate with the payload for a given time.
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[14:58] <Ian_> If you have a network of potential ground station txrs then I would be inclined to coordinate them via internet, with only one having the permission at any given time.
[14:58] <jakeio> Yes, that's the plan.
[14:59] <Ian_> So communication is node to node LoRa but communications management is via internet
[15:00] <Ian_> The airborne node merely needs to let you know that it has GPS lock to be in business of receiving and sending acks
[15:00] <jakeio> Yes, if A doesn't get through to B for two "cycles" then A sends packets to the server to distribute to other receivers.
[15:00] <jakeio> transceivers*
[15:00] <Ian_> Sounds sound!
[15:01] <jakeio> The reason I opted for a non-timed option, i.e. B has to initiate receive mode, is so as to have flexibility in how long those cycles last.
[15:01] <jakeio> This is in order to maximize duty cycle while airborne.
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Radio links are unreliable - using Ack's on unreliable links is bad, better to use packet numbering and then NAck's when sequence is missing a packet.
[15:01] <Ian_> That makes good sense
[15:02] <jakeio> OK, so each packet has an ID and if the sequence is interrupted then request retransmission?
[15:02] <jakeio> Or have I misunderstood.
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[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> That's right, otherwise you can spends more time chasing missing Acks then sending useful data
[15:03] <jakeio> OK, that makes sense. Thanks Geoff-G8DHE-Lap.
[15:04] <Ian_> No, that's right. Personally I would have fixed time slots up and down to keep it simple. You can always refine that later otherwise you are mixing communications and communications management on an unreliable medium
[15:04] <jakeio> Would you think it important to have a backup standard RTTY tracker setup also, in case the new 2-way LoRa system fails?
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The TCP sliding window concept is a good idea for this
[15:04] <jakeio> I shall have to look that up!
[15:04] <gonzo_> a backup is always going to be a good idea if weight will allow
[15:04] <Ian_> Me too
[15:05] <Ian_> 868MHz LoRa backup would keep the expense down
[15:05] <jakeio> Absolutely, I just needed someone to say a backup is a good idea so that I can say in my write up that "members of the UKHAS suggested having a backup RTTY tracker" etc. :P
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_window_protocol
[15:05] <jakeio> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE-Lap!
[15:06] <gonzo_> if you are running sometjhing experimental, and you need to get it back, or need to know where it is for part of the experiment. Then a backup known reliable tracker is a good ide
[15:06] <gonzo_> a
[15:06] <jakeio> OK, so the sliding window is used to prevent extremely large packet numbers?
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> One aspect of it yes,
[15:07] <jakeio> I'm still reading so I shall discover the remaining aspects in a moment! :P
[15:07] <Ian_> It saves things getting too far out of real time I guess
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> all the time there is data being exchanged you keep going, only go back and resend if NACK, but you can't send for ever as the other end may not be receiving anythign
[15:08] <Ian_> So telemetry on the down leg would be uncontrolled and optimistic
[15:08] <hyde00001> so whilst flying, EOS RTTY and ultimately carrier was "wobbly" . when on ground might it be more stable? I ask as I have stumbled across one very strong and stable signal..
[15:08] <Ian_> Unaccountable data
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> hyde0001 yes nice and stable
[15:09] <hyde00001> at a somewhat higher frequency than I had while airborne... any thoughts?
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> it seemed to be continually drifting high as it was
[15:09] <mfa298> In terms of a backup transmitter I think today probably demonstrates why a backup is good!
[15:09] <hyde00001> none of this is helped by the many signals on my waterfall...
[15:10] <hyde00001> but this one (like the RTTY/carrier) is strong red...
[15:12] <jakeio> Right, thanks for the info on the sliding window protocol.
[15:12] <jakeio> I have a few additional questions.
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Also http://www.ka9q.net/papers/maca.html KA9Q did the TCP/Ip stack implementations
[15:13] <jakeio> Ah, I asked this one before, but:
[15:13] <PE2BZ> hyde0001 define ¨somewhat higher¨ ?
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[15:14] <jakeio> What features would you find it useful to have when communicating with an airborne payload? And by this, I mean on a routine flight, non-repeater/cutdown or anything, just useful things to be able to do to a payload!
[15:15] <hyde00001> 4.659.0 to centre it on my waterfall
[15:15] <PE2BZ> I certainly would chase that one !
[15:15] <PE2BZ> Is in range for temperature shift from -40 to + 10 degrees
[15:16] <hyde00001> body shielding of my magnetic uninformative....
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Maybe remote reset, baettery power/current (just sensor as now)
[15:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> power control of Flying Tx might be handy
[15:18] <hyde00001> all i can think of to test is to drive "away" (actually home...) and see if it fades. does that make sense??
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[15:18] <PE2BZ> what is your antenna now ?
[15:18] <hyde00001> fwiw i'm parked outside the rather lovely Talk House in Stanton St John
[15:18] <PE2BZ> with a magmount antenna ?
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8EYN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8EYN-11
[15:19] <hyde00001> ~50cm long magnetic on roof of car...
[15:19] <PE2BZ> Can you move it to inside the car ? Or lower the Receiver gain ?
[15:19] <jakeio> OK, thanks Geoff-G8DHE-Lap. Other features I've suggested have been remote image download (full size images, however); diagnostic (e.g. the sensors we already use and CPU temp, etc.); telnet style sessions; change frequency.
[15:20] <garymortimer_> One Billion HAB points if you find it
[15:20] Action: PE2BZ doubles the HAB points
[15:20] <jakeio> HAB points? Someone needs to make a web app listing everyone's HAB point scores.
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[15:21] <PE2BZ> jakeio no one told you ?
[15:21] <PE2BZ> That´s your next project :-)
[15:21] <garymortimer_> Is the radio an sdr or real one ;-)
[15:21] <hyde00001> so i've lowered the signal and will try shielding again...
[15:21] <hyde00001> yaesu ft-790
[15:21] <DK0FR-P> DK0FR-11 payload has been retrieved
[15:21] <jakeio> I can see it now, a little graph with peoples profile pictures above them... Wow, I'm actually designing this thing...
[15:21] <garymortimer_> Need to ring the pub and get the others out of it
[15:22] <hyde00001> so many signals in area, not confident its the real thing... just this one is stronger...
[15:22] <garymortimer_> gamify habbing Jake
[15:23] <hyde00001> could wait two days until AAs run flat...
[15:23] <jakeio> garymortimer_, well, why not? I mean China are gamifying being a good citizen...
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[15:24] <garymortimer_> yep
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Maybe the transmitters need an independent low level modulation of the supply so in event of lock up you can still identify
[15:24] <garymortimer_> In case of emergency Hyde http://www.thestarinnoxford.co.uk/
[15:25] <hyde00001> The Star (an excellent pub) closed a year ago...
[15:25] <hyde00001> I'm 100m away in the competitions car park
[15:26] <hyde00001> shielding made no difference.... signal must be v strong...thus flase???
[15:26] <hyde00001> false
[15:27] <jakeio> Did they have their name on it?
[15:27] <jakeio> Or in it?
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[15:27] <jakeio> It = The payload.
[15:30] <garymortimer_> Thats a pity
[15:30] <PE2BZ> hyde0001 payloads don´t lower the output power when they are down. A strong signal (assuming the antenna pointed down on launch) could also mean a tree hanger
[15:30] <garymortimer_> Big thunderstorm here so unplugging stuff, have a great evening all
[15:30] <Ian_> Future ref for shading a magmount, large piece of cardboard foil covered, folded into a 90 degree reflector and if need be on the end of a stick so that you can get it all round the antenna, unless you have long arms and can reach across the bonnet :)
[15:31] <garymortimer_> Good luck Hyde well done for trying
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[15:34] <PE2BZ> hyde00001 follwoing Ian_ go to the pub, pick the students up and some alu foil and a cardboard box :-)
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[15:48] <Ian_> Eat the crisps first, to empty the box :)
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[16:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5YAM-rs41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-rs41
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
[16:21] <hyde00001> FWIW, despite excellent advice...I went home instead. The carrier that I definitely had when I headed out was NOT present, thus FWIW I had their signal when I left but lost it en route trying to help (which frankly I didn't..)
[16:23] <mfa298> hyde00001: well done for at least trying.
[16:25] <hyde00001> seemed like a good chasing learning experience for when I get around to launching... my first lesson, get a yagi..
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[16:27] <hyde00001> be interested in others analysis of what went wrong at launch - some discussion of GPS aerial location within payload and possible use of interfering camera. I've heard advice before regarding the bad things that can happen when using those "keyring" style cameras, are other models liable to causing GPS type interference?
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[16:43] <DK0FR-P> Hahahaha
[16:43] <DK0FR-P> they cut the tree
[16:47] <jakeio> Can nobody get in touch with the guys in the pub? I mean, if there's any place where we know their signal was received?
[16:47] <jakeio> Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPuEDyAsU8
[16:47] <jakeio> EVA stream!
[16:52] <DK0FR-P> the tree: http://imgur.com/a/SlYUl
[16:52] <DK0FR-P> chase team called the forestry service for advice
[16:52] <DK0FR-P> they were like "no biggie, we'll come and cut that tree for ya"
[16:53] <DK0FR-P> they came, cut the tree and watched the footage
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[17:14] <jakeio> Could someone fully explain to me what spreading factor is, I think I understand it, however, I might have the wrong end of the conceptual stick.
[17:14] <PE2BZ> jakeio is that ¨live¨ from ISS ?
[17:14] <fsphil> don't think that's live. looks like gopro footage
[17:14] <jakeio> It is supposedly livestreamed.
[17:15] <jakeio> The EVA is still in progress.
[17:15] <PE2BZ> what size would the dish be in the center ?
[17:27] <fsphil> jakeio: I believe spreading factor is how much data goes out over the air / the actual data being sent. like sending 10 bits to represent 1
[17:27] <jakeio> So, sending 10 of the same bit in order to add redundancy?
[17:27] <fsphil> wouldnt be the same bit
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[17:28] <fsphil> something random like they do with gps
[17:28] <jakeio> So, why send 10 if you're transmitting one?
[17:28] <fsphil> or chirp like lora (increasing frequency)
[17:29] <fsphil> the receiver knows the pattern, and apply the reverse. the intended signal is seen, and anything else gets spread out
[17:30] <jakeio> What is the advantage?
[17:32] <daveake> You can send it at different frequencies
[17:32] <fsphil> immunity to noise. different signals can use the same frequency too if the codes they use to spread are sufficiently different
[17:32] <daveake> So if there's interference on one frequency it doesn't matter as it'll get through on another
[17:32] <fsphil> gps uses something called gold codes
[17:35] <jakeio> So, the bit transmitted on frequency x is different to that on frequency y but they both mean the same bit when some operation is applied?
[17:36] <bertrik> the spreading factor determines the number of bits per symbol
[17:37] <bertrik> you can consider lora to be like multi-fsk but with a chirp
[17:37] <bertrik> there are 2**SF frequencies
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[17:39] <bertrik> the spreading factor also has an effect on symbol duration: a symbol consists of 2**SF "steps" at a rate of BW steps per second
[17:40] <jakeio> Was what I suggested right in general? I'm sorry, just wanting to get my head around this!
[17:40] <bertrik> so a higher spreading factor also means a longer symbol, therefore higher sensitivity
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[17:42] <fsphil> it's all on the same frequency. it just sends more than it needs to
[17:42] <fsphil> the factor is how much more
[17:44] <jakeio> OK, but the "sends multiple different bits which when some function is performed on them become the intended bit" is correct?
[17:45] <bertrik> a lora symbol encodes for SF bits at once, so you can't really talk about how individual bits are encoded
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[17:47] <jakeio> Sorry, I don't really see what you mean?
[17:48] <bertrik> lora is in a way a bit like dominoex, with dominoex encoding 4 bits per symbol or SF=4
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YAM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YAM-1
[17:48] <fsphil> gps is simpler
[17:49] <fsphil> it's just psk
[17:52] <bertrik> yeah, lora is a bit hard to explain, the simplest I can explain it is as "multi-fsk with a chirp"
[17:53] <fsphil> if the transmitter is sending 110101110 for a 0 or 001010001 for a 1, the receiver is looking at the incoming bit stream for just those two patterns
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[17:54] <jakeio> OK, can you explain what a chip is in reference to CDMA?
[17:54] <fsphil> a chip is each bit in the 110101110
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> jakeio: code division multiple access.
[17:55] <fsphil> the chip rate is the actual on-air rate
[17:55] <fsphil> the bit rate is the chip rate / spreading factor
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> A chip is one bit of the code.
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> the data bit rate, yes.
[17:55] <fsphil> yeah
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> The raw data bit rate anyway - for example for GPS, it repeats each 'real' data bit 20 times.
[17:57] <bertrik> only 20 times?
[17:57] <fsphil> one nice thing (esp for gps) is because the chip rate is so fast, it can tell when in time each data bit is received with better accuracy
[17:57] <bertrik> I thought the chip rate was 1.023 MHz and the bit rate was 50 bps
[17:57] <fsphil> the code is only 1023 bits long
[17:57] <fsphil> it gets repeated for each data bit
[17:58] <fsphil> ed did a good talk on this at ukhas a while back
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> Each data bit is repeated, so you end up with a 50bps data rate, which goes into 300 bit packets lasting 6 seconds.
[17:58] <bertrik> so more like 20 thousand times
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> and that is the 'navigation message'
[17:58] <fsphil> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2013 (GPS part 1-4)
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> There are 20000 states that the output can be in per data bit.
[17:58] <fsphil> not sure where but he does cover this
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> But the code length is only 1000 (1023) repeated 20 times.
[17:59] <fsphil> useful for radar too
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> It is not coincidental that 20ms is enough to remove all ambiguity due to movement.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> that is - 20ms = 6000km radio travel.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> (which is the radius of the earth)
[18:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[18:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
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[18:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> jakeio, if your still looking for info on SF see the Semtech note on it http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/an1200.22.pdf
[18:50] <jakeio> Thanks!
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[18:54] <fsphil> the phonetic alphabet is a kind of spreading :)
[18:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes good analogy!
[18:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> spreads it in time more than bandwidth but same priciple
[18:55] <fsphil> same can be true in RF
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[18:56] <fsphil> spreading can make it slower, or wider
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[19:28] <jakeio> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, earlier when talking about the sliding window protocol and how I should implement something similar, should I be sending an acknowledgement packet or just a packet listing packets which were not received.
[19:28] <jakeio> I.e. say I have a window size of 10
[19:29] <jakeio> And I receive 1-5 and 8-10, I would say "I missed 6 and 7" rather than "I got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10"?
[19:29] <jakeio> Or am I missing the point entirely.
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[20:06] <pcal1> Hi Everyone we got our EOS payload back :)
[20:07] <Upu> wow nice one
[20:07] <pcal1> Does anyone know where to find the saved SSDV images/
[20:07] <Upu> did you find it or did someone call you ?
[20:07] <Upu> well if it has any the indications were the unit was in a reboot loop
[20:07] <pcal1> someone called as we were driving back. We had the right track but were about 3 miles short
[20:08] <Upu> pretty close
[20:08] <Upu> We'd like to know why it failed as generally PITS are pretty reliable
[20:08] <pcal1> yes. I found where the images were stored before when testing but have forgotten
[20:08] <Upu> ping daveake
[20:09] <Upu> but probably down /home/pi/pits/tracker something
[20:09] <pcal1> I'll try and find out. I'm going to run some tests but not tonight... too tired, got some great film though!
[20:10] <pcal1> Thanks Upu, I'll have a look
[20:10] <Upu> Do you have any images of how everything was laid out in the payload ?
[20:10] <Upu> and is the SD card seated correct/does the Pi still boot up - for tommorrow
[20:10] <Upu> congrats
[20:11] <pcal1> sd card was seated. In fact no damage to the inside. I'll report tomorrow. Found the pics!
[20:11] <pcal1> Thnka
[20:12] <pcal1> Thanks.
[20:14] <Upu> would be very interested to know if it was taking pics all the way up and down
[20:14] <Upu> if so then may be a hardware fault
[20:14] <daveake> unlikely
[20:15] <Upu> well
[20:15] <daveake> images require the tracker program to be running, and it wasn't
[20:15] <Upu> separate process isn't it ?
[20:15] <daveake> That said, if the pits board wasn't connected, it's possible it was running
[20:16] <daveake> Yes but the image-taking is triggered from the tracker program
[20:16] <Upu> k
[20:16] <Upu> well lets see
[20:16] <pcal1> Dave is right it didn't
[20:17] <Upu> is the PITS board securely attached ?
[20:17] <pcal1> Yes
[20:17] <pcal1> and I've spent months testing. Never had a problem
[20:17] <pcal1> Even tested in a light aircraft
[20:17] <Upu> cool
[20:18] <Upu> ok well get some sleep and let us know if you want some assistance, we are keen to work out why it failed so we can fix it or advise for future flights
[20:19] <pcal1> Thanks everyone. I would like to find out too. I'll be back soon and let you know what I found
[20:21] <daveake> Grab the gps,txt and telemetry.txt files - useful debugging info in those
[20:22] <daveake> and check what batteries were used
[20:22] <pb0ahx> pcal1, congrats with the recovery nice
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[20:25] <gonzo_> pcal1, I'm pretty local to you, and happy to help with the fault finding and any future flights
[20:32] <pcal1> Okay Dave I'll do that
[20:33] <pcal1> Energizer
[20:33] <daveake> lithium?
[20:33] <pcal1> Where are you gonzo/
[20:33] <pcal1> yes
[20:34] <daveake> Check how well the pi and pits are connected to each other
[20:34] <pcal1> okay I'll take it apart tomorrow, but on first inspection it feeks okay
[20:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> jakeio, Yes that's right in essence, the sliding window approach assumes that there is data going in both directions, most of the time, once a packet has been missed then you send the NACK so in above you say NACK 6 and the sending end starts again at 6 and repeats, or go a step deeper and as you suggest a list of missing packets6-7.
[20:35] <pe2bz_> pcal1 congratulations !
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[20:35] <daveake> There should be plenty of battery power left, so you could just reconnect those batteries and see how it gets on - how many satellites, and if it manages to not reboot
[20:35] <pcal1> Thank you :)
[20:35] <jakeio> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE-Lap!
[20:36] <pcal1> iIt was still running when we collected it
[20:38] <mfa298> pcal1: I think daveake means check it starts running the tracker and sending data. Just having the carrier (single tone) means somethign in the tracker wasn't running correctly
[20:39] <pcal1> I know, I just meant there was plenty of power as it was still on when we picked it up
[20:39] <mfa298> enough power to run the transmitter module may not mean enough power to boot the Pi properly
[20:39] <daveake> on yes transmitting data no
[20:39] <jakeio> Out of interest what kind of batteries were you using? I assume Lithium Energizers?
[20:42] <daveake> he said yes
[20:44] <pcal1> Yes that's correct Dave.
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[20:45] <pcal1> I'm going to eat now, then sleep. It's been a long day. But I'll be on tomorrow and let you know what I find
[20:46] <pcal1> Thanks for all the help. I would really like to try another flight. It was great fun.
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[21:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIONER-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIONER-13
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[21:43] <jakeio> Ah, sorry, missed that message daveake. I was just curious. I remember your rather funny article on UKHAS "How to lose your payload?" and one of the things was "Don't use lithium energizers". :P
[21:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> probably dont use alcaline, enegizer is fine
[21:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> "Use cheap batteries rather than Lithium Energizers. This includes Duracells Alkaline or anything else that is not a Lithium primary cell. "
[21:54] <jakeio> My first flight used an RS Lithium Polymer battery, it was OK but the payload box was heavily insulated (4cm of polystyrene!).
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[22:13] <Ian_> Energiser ultimate lithium are the gold standard of HAB batteries
[22:20] <mfa298> the fact it's got an available datasheet tells you half of what you need to know. And that datasheet will tell you the rest.
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[22:21] <Ian_> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf as if by magic
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> !whereis SP9UOB
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03SP9UOB was over 03Peace River, BC, Canada 10(57.40537,-127.3669) at 0313047 meters about 038 days ago
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Saratovsky District, Saratov Oblast, Russia 10(51.38858,45.46369) at 0312544 meters about 034 days ago
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