highaltitude.log.20161014

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[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO1TJG_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO1TJG_chase
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[01:33] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41252.msg1598513#msg1598513
[01:36] <adamgreig> I like the later quote better
[01:36] <adamgreig> "Gonna be flat honest with you, we literally hired a marksman and shoot a mock-up second stage at long range.
[01:38] <Laurenceb_> heh
[01:38] <Laurenceb_> the explanation seems surprising to me
[01:38] <Laurenceb_> didnt realise the carbon fibre overwrap could be porous
[01:39] <Laurenceb_> that just sounds like its going to end badly
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[02:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pratap_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=pratap_chase
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[06:00] <PE2BZ> !flights
[06:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03XABEN-106 10(0336), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[07:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[09:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-14 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
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[09:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Current flights: 03XABEN-106 10(0336), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[09:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight 0336
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Flight 10(0336): 03XABEN-106 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Devon, UK 10(50.57107,-3.99069)
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[09:37] <pb0ahx> gm all
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> <orning
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> m* even
[09:44] <Mark_B> good morning
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[09:53] <garymortimer> Is Xaben flying from Dartmoor
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Scheduled too http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=e9854456039c2ffcee40b2a6b1bf46616be7114e
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might depend if he can get out of the prison I guess ;-)
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[09:57] <mfa298> flightdoc says 1100 utc so an hour to go (assuming that's correct)
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> About the time he needs to get to the Launch site from the Prison then! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/XABEN-106_20161014/
[10:06] <pjm> i have activated my lora RX in preparation for the dartmoor TX
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[10:20] <gonzo_> is that another flight, or from steve's email?
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> ?
[10:20] <gonzo_> (I got exited, till I read the text)
[10:21] <gonzo_> we do need more lora down this way. (Suppose I should start coding!)
[10:23] <hyde00001> LORA noob here. From my simple reading, it seems as if XABEN-106 LORA settings equate to "Mode O" in Dave Akerman et al gateway. Is that right?
[10:23] <mfa298> I think Steve's is rtty and lora
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes the LoRa does appear to be Mode 0
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[10:25] <jakeio> Anyone know the deviation of ntx2b per volt, I've forgotten!
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[10:30] <jakeio> Point taken!
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like 0x17 is waiting to catch the landing !
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:19] <pb0ahx> !fkights
[11:19] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03XABEN-106 10(0336), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[11:19] <pb0ahx> !payload 0336
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03X0 10(0336) 03$$X0 - 03434.405 MHz USB 03RTTY 75/488Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[11:25] <AndyEsser> I read the comments on a FB post
[11:25] <AndyEsser> "Rockets don't work in space because there's no oxygen"
[11:25] <AndyEsser> "Rockets don't need oxygen, they use a form of combustion like the sun"
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[11:35] <gonzo_> do the welsh development board know that you are planning to do fission experiments in your unit?
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[12:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[12:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hey he's got out of Drtmoor!
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[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DG3AL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DG3AL_chase
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[12:39] <udat> :)
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[12:44] <garymortimer> Very nice drive that from Dartmoor to North Devon
[12:45] <fsphil> AndyEsser: so when do you start work on the ZPM? :)
[12:46] <garymortimer> Currently landing next to what used to be a nice pub. I would have last been there in about 1985! http://the-mill-inn.co.uk/
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh errors on uploading
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Failed for URL 'http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener..
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> curl_easy_perform() failed: HTTP response code said error
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> error: The requested URL returned error: 409
[12:48] <Ron_g8fjg> thats what I got
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah so not just me
[12:50] <Ron_g8fjg> wont even decode now , for me...got first lora decodes before rtty and blue line..wierd
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> are you getting it on RTTY now as well as lora ?
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh some are getting thru
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> musdt be errors in the Rx telemetry perhaps
[12:52] <AndyEsser> fsphil: don't jest
[12:52] <AndyEsser> :P
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[12:56] <Ron_g8fjg> decoding if qrg 434.412
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes mine on AFC has gone high asw ell
[13:00] <Ron_g8fjg> but still getting error409 conflict
[13:01] <mfa298> darn the experienced launchers that can go from on the map, to launched in no time. gives not notice to get thigns running.
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hum, must be collision problems sometimes both Rx get 409 sometimes only one of them ...
[13:06] <adamgreig> it should retry if there's a 409
[13:06] <adamgreig> is this an error from a lora gateway?
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> both 169 packets accepted
[13:07] <adamgreig> the 409 means someone else uploaded this packet at the same time, please retry
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes no mention of retry
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> but that might just be error message
[13:07] <Ron_g8fjg> I seem to get 409 most decodes
[13:08] <Ron_g8fjg> but not that one!
[13:09] <dbrooke> I've fixed the 409 issue, just pushed to github if you want to try https://github.com/dbrooke/lora-gateway
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
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[13:12] <pb0ahx> !dial 0336
[13:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03X0 10(0336): 031 MHz, 434.401536 MHz, 434.406512 MHz, 434.406 MHz, 644.297 MHz, 443.598 MHz
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks dbrooke no errors so far
[13:20] <dbrooke> No problem, there's a pull request in so feel free to comment on it if it works for you
[13:21] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: retry on a 409? so that it continues to get a conflict?
[13:21] <adamgreig> it won't keep conflicting, the view you hit automatically does the merge
[13:21] <AndyEsser> but 409 means conflict
[13:21] <AndyEsser> which suggests continuing to insert will continue to conflict
[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-10
[13:22] <adamgreig> i promise i know what i'm talking about
[13:22] <adamgreig> because i literally wrote this function
[13:22] <adamgreig> http://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/habitat/habitat/habitat/habitat.views.payload_telemetry.html#habitat.views.payload_telemetry.add_listener_update
[13:22] <adamgreig> Returns OK if everything was fine, otherwise CouchDB will raise an error. Errors might occur in validation (in which case the validation error is returned) or because of a save conflict. In the event of a save conflict, uploaders should retry the same request until the conflict is resolved.
[13:22] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: no no - I'm not disputing that :)
[13:23] <adamgreig> it's a couchdb view, so when you call it, it runs server-side code to merge your upload into the telem document
[13:23] <adamgreig> if two people start that process at the same time, one of them loses, and gets a 409
[13:23] <AndyEsser> was more thinking a diferent status code would make sense
[13:23] <AndyEsser> but fair enough :)
[13:23] <AndyEsser> thanks for explaining
[13:23] <adamgreig> you'd hope the server could somehow retry for them
[13:23] <adamgreig> but alas it does not
[13:23] <adamgreig> the 409 comes from couch itself
[13:24] <dbrooke> I've seen it need as many as 2 retries in testing, my mod to the gateway gives up after 5 (ish)
[13:24] <fsphil> the client shouldn't have to deal with database retries
[13:24] <AndyEsser> ^
[13:24] <adamgreig> welcome to couchdb fsphil
[13:24] <adamgreig> the client is the application
[13:24] <fsphil> yeah
[13:24] Action: AndyEsser writes his own
[13:24] Action: AndyEsser adds it to... The List
[13:24] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:24] <adamgreig> dbrooke: for fldigi we use >30 retries or so, with falloff between
[13:25] <fsphil> The List Part 2: The Revenge of The List
[13:25] <adamgreig> if you have say 20 people all receiving one sentence and all running the same code with fast internet
[13:25] <adamgreig> all 30 will probably conflict on attempt 1
[13:25] <adamgreig> and one wins
[13:25] <adamgreig> repeat 30 times
[13:25] <fsphil> yeah, that's horrible
[13:25] <mfa298> I can see that you might want the client app to know that there was a merge conflict, depending on what's being updated you might want to do more than just retry.
[13:25] <adamgreig> (random delays make this much better in terms of number of conflicts, but it means it takes longer)
[13:26] <adamgreig> mfa298: yea, that's exactly why couch does what it does
[13:26] <adamgreig> in this payload telem case the convenience function on the server handles resolving the conflict for you, where possible
[13:26] <dbrooke> adamgreig: OK, I currently have no backoff in there but could add something and increase the retry limit
[13:26] <adamgreig> but before i wrote that you had to do the merge yourself
[13:26] <adamgreig> dbrooke: backoff helps reduce server load so might be nice but eh
[13:26] <mfa298> I was thinking of some of the things I've done with couch, and a conflict like that might mean overwriting another change that was just made
[13:27] <adamgreig> ideal would be a short random backoff and a higher retry limit
[13:27] <adamgreig> mfa298: yea exactly - but here we're using an update function, not just posting a new document
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[13:41] <pb0ahx> 583.7 km from me nice
[13:42] <pb0ahx> but lot of qrm on that frequentie here
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[13:55] <udat> lora:21 rtty:0 here so far
[13:55] <udat> :)
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[14:23] <garymortimer> I come in and the payload is heading to the Masons Arms, fine choice
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> garymortimer, Have you ever thought of entering Master Mind with special subject Pubs of England ?
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its down
[14:35] <garymortimer> I just happened to be based at RAF Chivenor just up the road in the mid 80's RAF Butlins. So many happy summer evenings spent around there.
[14:36] <garymortimer> Looks like a straight forward retrieve
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Down a bit of a hill from the road but not too bad at all
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[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 60m from the road
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[14:54] <aadamson> If anyone is interested, I ran daveake's LoraArduinoSerial on this (https://www.adafruit.com/products/3179) with only simple changes
[14:54] Nick change: andycamb1 -> andycamb
[14:55] <aadamson> I just changed the _slaveSelectPin to 8, and the dio5 to 10 and just just jumpered the IO5 pad to the the D10 pin on the M0
[14:55] <aadamson> all of the rest of the code ran as expected
[14:58] <aadamson> One NOTE however. I've not been able to runs daveake's WindowsGateway and talk to the above setup
[14:59] <aadamson> the serial port opens, but not data comes from the feather. Not sure why this is, as I can open the serial port with just about anything else and it receives and transmits data just fine
[14:59] <garymortimer> Oh yes please I have some feathers as well
[14:59] <garymortimer> I got Daves gateway to run by running it as Admin
[15:00] <aadamson> garymortimer, yes, that will open the port, but on the VCP on the M0 feather it doesn't seem to accept data
[15:00] <garymortimer> Real schoolboy error on my part
[15:00] <aadamson> so, in true long form fashion, I have a Qt5 version of daves gateway in the works.
[15:00] <garymortimer> I would love the changes to make it work, I have been stumbling around with that as well can I add my email here
[15:01] <aadamson> serial all works, I just need to tie in the json, and a couple of other things
[15:01] <garymortimer> gary at suasnews dot of the com
[15:01] <aadamson> I'll drop you a note
[15:01] <garymortimer> thanks very much just popping out for sundowners cheers all
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[16:17] <Ian_> fsphil question (in case you had any doubt) shy does the ssdv code look for raspberrypi hostname when building?
[16:18] <Ian_> I had just changed the hostname prior . . .
[16:19] <Ian_> why
[16:20] <fsphil> it doesnt?
[16:20] <fsphil> there is no network code in there at all
[16:21] <daveake> Ian_ I've seen messages from Linux when installing stuff after changing the hostname
[16:21] <daveake> Best to reboot before doing anything else
[16:22] <Ian_> I think you may have it there daveake. Unfortunately I succumbed to power issues at reboot :)
[16:22] <Ian_> Many thanks.
[16:22] <fsphil> weird
[16:23] <daveake> Ah well all bets are off with dodgy power!
[16:24] <Ian_> I think that generosity has to be the name of the game. Official PSU doesn't necessarily cut the mustard. Moral, test everything to determine parameters.
[16:25] <daveake> Which official Pi PSU ?
[16:25] <Ian_> The Pi Hut one.
[16:25] <daveake> I have the 2.5A one that came out with PI 3 and that's been fine
[16:26] <daveake> Does yours have built-in USB cable?
[16:26] <Ian_> Currently I get flashes of green and an almost steady red. Yes built in, but power goes via HDMI Pi
[16:26] <Ian_> Screen
[16:27] <Ian_> I'm going to power them separately.
[16:27] <mfa298> flashes of green are activity (SD card based I think) so theyre nothing to worry about
[16:27] <daveake> ah right
[16:27] <daveake> Yeah I always power those separately
[16:28] <mfa298> red being steady on is good, it's when the red power led goes off you've got potential issues
[16:28] <daveake> yup
[16:28] <daveake> Also the display should show something (rainbow squares previously; a lightning icon thing now I believe)
[16:29] <daveake> ^ when the Pi notices low volatge
[16:29] <mfa298> or get a Pi1 and don't worry about such stuff as there's no power detection stuff on them (I think that came in the B+)
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[16:29] <Ian_> I got those, only early on, during the build from NOOBSLite
[16:30] <Ian_> I guess that's also where I noticed the almost steady green . . . facepalm!
[16:32] <Ian_> Do you run the LoRa Gateway via ssh at all Dave (bears and woods come to mind)?
[16:34] <daveake> yes lots
[16:35] <mfa298> I imagine quite a few people run the lora gateway via ssh.
[16:36] <Ian_> Most probably I guess. I'm getting there, but the old brain cells are whizzing about with a few possibilities. Always a plug missing from my inventory . . . or hiding!
[16:38] <mfa298> well plenty of people to answer your questions, and potentially give you slightly different answers
[16:40] <Ian_> My mates lean towards Python. I just have to be different and using C. Half way to escaping from an Arduino IDE on that side of the house.
[16:41] <fsphil> both C and python are worth knowing
[16:42] <mfa298> Ruby's not bad if you want something higher level thats not Python.
[16:42] <Ian_> No problem with that Phil, not keen on the white space. Just imagine Rob refactoring that! eek!
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[16:44] <fsphil> lol
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[17:56] <PE2BZ> Evening all. Anyone who knows an EU address where they sell 8 AA batteries not rechargable but as 2 times 4 connected together, pre wired / soldered ?
[17:57] <PE2BZ> The plastic 2 x 4 housing does not fit. We need the bare battery size
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> you mean heatshrunk?
[18:19] <Hiena> PE2BZ: What kind of battery do you need?
[18:20] <Hiena> NiMH ones has this configuration as receiver battery for RC modells.
[18:22] <Hiena> Here is the tabbed batteries from the Farnell: http://uk.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?catalogId=15001&langId=44&storeId=10151&categoryId=700000004383&eq=N%3D203469%2B110119495%2B2031%26amp%3BNs%3DP_STORE_MARKETING_RANK_FARNELL_UK%257c0%257c%257cP_MAN_PART_NUM%257c0%26amp%3BNtpc%3D1%26amp%3BNtpr%3D1&showResults=true&aa=true&pf=110119495,110130260&vw=
[18:23] <Hiena> Farnell is EU wide parts distributor. Pricey but reliable.
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[18:44] <PE2BZ> Heatshrink is not necessary, but it need to be not rechargable. 8 * 1.5 V AA size
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[19:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_T2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_T2
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[20:24] <pcal> Hi I wonder if anyone could help. I have a flight tomorrow.
[20:25] <pcal> I cannot get dl-fldigi to work on a windows 10 laptop with a single input/ output for the microphone/ speakers
[20:35] <Upu> you need some sort of program like jack audio or virtual audio cable
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[20:38] <pcal> okay I'll have a look
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[21:10] <daveake> The combined 4-pin jacks need an adapter if you're trying to connect a physical radio to the line/mic input
[21:11] <daveake> Or get a USB audio adapter
[21:11] <pcal> hi Dave, i'm trying to get another laptop as I don't have time to mess around. I'm getting everything ready
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[21:25] <pcal> Hi Dave, sorted now I have someone bringing another laptop tomorrow. Thanks for your help
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[21:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_C1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_C1_chase
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[22:54] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/786665706930647040
[22:55] <fsphil> nice. opportunity rover might see the esa lander on the way in next week
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