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[03:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030542829502_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0542829502_chase
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[04:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-5 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-5
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[06:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-19 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-19
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[06:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03oe5drp-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=oe5drp-9_chase
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[06:47] <AndyEsser> morning
[06:50] <PE2BZ> Good morning
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[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FDK-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
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[07:40] <trickv> hello - can anyone grant access for me to make edits on dokuwiki? my uid is the same, trickv
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[07:42] <Upu> sure 1 sec
[07:43] <Upu> try now trickv
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[08:10] <ryan_in> Has anyone here used pressure relief valves to make the balloon go higher
[08:12] <Upu> a few people
[08:12] <Upu> even simple methods like pin hole
[08:14] <ryan_in> I was thinking of getting a valve from here http://www.smartproducts.com/check_valves_series_100_cartridge.php
[08:14] <ryan_in> But I dont know how to calculate what pressure I want it to bleed at
[08:18] <daveake> It won't go higher vs putting less gas in in the first place
[08:20] <ryan_in> Is there any way of getting a balloon with <2m burst diameter to go higher even with a slow ascent rate
[08:20] <daveake> less added weight
[08:20] <daveake> H2 instead of He
[08:21] <fsphil> heat the gas
[08:21] <ryan_in> Unfortunately we are not allowed to use hydrogen
[08:21] <fsphil> rocket :)
[08:21] <daveake> Possibly something like black card inside the envelope for solar heating
[08:21] <fsphil> I wonder how much altitude that would add
[08:21] <daveake> but it'll add weight so ...
[08:21] <fsphil> probably not too much
[08:22] <daveake> no
[08:22] <daveake> Probably best option is to choose the launch date carefully based on high altitude air pressures
[08:22] <ryan_in> What kind of balloon is best
[08:23] <daveake> lightest one that stays within the 2m
[08:23] <fsphil> depends what you're trying to do. just going for altitude within the 2m exception rule?
[08:23] <ryan_in> Yep
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[08:23] <ryan_in> We are launching another balloon to get the longest duration
[08:24] <ryan_in> Nothing in the rules say rockets arent allowed ;)
[08:24] <fsphil> the longest lasting balloons so far are from people who've modified/manufactured balloons
[08:28] <AndyEsser> ryan_in: rockoon :P
[08:29] <AndyEsser> not a simple engineering problem to solve
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[08:33] <gonzo_> tests I did with a 100gm latex balloon, just inflated with air. At the 1.5mtr size, there was only a mbar or so of pressure in there. It was too low to read sensibly on my (admittedly out of cal) 4mbar fsd meter
[08:33] <fsphil> would like to try a water rocket from a hab :)
[08:34] <gonzo_> because it was a balloon outside, the noise caused by the breeze was upsetting the readings to make them useless. But the answer is, very low
[08:34] <daveake> water huh? :)
[08:34] <gonzo_> I was making pressure releif valves just like the obes above, but gave up when i saw how low pressure would be req
[08:35] <fsphil> it won't freeze that quickly
[08:35] <gonzo_> hail sorm
[08:35] <gonzo_> storm
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[08:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030542829502_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0542829502_chase
[08:41] <fsphil> hah, was googling to see if someone had already done it. found this sad guy, http://fakeologist.com/blog/2015/01/28/why-rockets-dont-work-in-a-vacuum/
[08:42] <fsphil> first sentence is amazing
[08:43] <AndyEsser> o god...
[08:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
[08:50] <daveake> Well that wraps it up for "Reaction Engines" :/
[08:51] <AndyEsser> ?
[08:52] <daveake> A pun on "reaction" and that guy's clear misunderstanding
[08:52] <AndyEsser> ah
[08:52] <AndyEsser> sorry :(
[08:52] <daveake> s'ok :)
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[08:57] <mfa298> if it's all fake that leads into some more ipressive engineering, like how can we all receive radio stuff from the ISS as if it was in space.
[09:00] <LazyLeopard> Never mind arranging for that bright thing to fly overhead on a regular schedule...
[09:01] <LazyLeopard> ...and all the other visible satellites, of course.
[09:02] <mfa298> even more impressive that they get the faked radio signals syncronised to the faked bright thing in the sky.
[09:04] <daveake> I've read some of the comments on that page. Unless it's the same group (entirely possible), I think we've found people even dumber than Trump supporters.
[09:04] <AndyEsser> didn't think that was possible
[09:05] <daveake> Seems it is
[09:07] <Urchin> well, there's always the Flat Earth Society...
[09:09] <daveake> Someone should round them up
[09:10] <fsphil> this has gone full circle
[09:10] <AndyEsser> I hate you all
[09:11] <fsphil> you'll come around
[09:12] <mfa298> more cyclical pun threads ... that Hertz.
[09:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Flat earth members come from all round the globe ....
[09:15] <russss> still arguing about that thing eh http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2009/07/correction-apollo-525.jpg
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[10:42] <fsphil> yay
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[10:44] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:44] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[10:44] <pb0ahx> !payload dk0fr-11
[10:44] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:45] <pb0ahx> DK0FR-11 only APRS ????
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> probably a wx sonde 400-405Mhz linked to aprs.fi
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> nop, its a pisky kit
[10:49] <pb0ahx> yes but on the ssdv page i see images from him
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> yeah see now :)
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> just look 434.0 - 434.7 with a asd if u can locate it
[10:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> *sdr
[10:51] <pb0ahx> ok
[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO1TJG_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO1TJG_chase
[10:53] <fsphil> https://ssdv.habhub.org/DK0FR
[10:54] <daveake> Needs to point a foot higher
[10:54] <trickv> Upu: thanks! :)
[10:55] <pb0ahx> ik think i found him on 434.250
[10:59] <pb0ahx> øêxôÁ,>0=Ñ&d$DK0FR11,350; ,6050$83002,24901,6681,1,,12,13.5,0.000 "
[10:59] <pb0ahx> on 434.250
[11:00] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> nice!!
[11:01] <pb0ahx> not strong
[11:01] <pb0ahx> yet
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> 300 bd ?
[11:01] <pb0ahx> yep 300/600
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok
[11:01] <pb0ahx> 8n2
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:04] <pb0ahx> the shift is ??? i think 650 not sure
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[11:16] <pb0ahx> 1 green line now shift 700
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[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-5 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-5
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[13:26] <Ian_> I had a really good day yesterday . . . on a number of negative levels.
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[13:28] <Ian_> Wound up a HCSD card with NOOBSlite and whacked it into the RPi3 con LoRa board and HDMI Pi display with the official PSU
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[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1YA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1YA-11
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[13:31] <Ian_> The Pi had been running another card for the prior two days, so had an uptime of a couple of days+
[13:31] <Ian_> I do love my uptimes
[13:33] <Ian_> So, with a new build I did the update, upgrade, set the text size of console and console monitor and . . .
[13:34] <Ian_> changed the hostname :) then I downloaded the ssdv from github and it bumped into a can't find raspberrypi platform type of error . . .
[13:36] <Ian_> Logical fix, rename the host. Inconvenient but not the end of the world. OK prompted to reboot and it borked with the red low voltage indicator flashing like a demon
[13:37] <Ian_> WTF. So, I think that a substantial PSU is in my immediate future (on hand) and an appointment with a soldering iron and a polyfuse or two.
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Does the RPI3 take a lot more current then ?
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[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes i seems it does https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
[13:42] <Ian_> Official PSU 5V @ 2.5A be damned. Polyfuses pffft
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[13:45] <Ian_> I believe that the voltage sags somewhat, but what with having run for a few days continuous and then expanding(?) the new build, I strongly suspect that the polyfuses must have started to exhibit a little resistance and dropped a few more mV
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[13:46] <Ian_> I had always noticed that the red LED on the RPi3 flashed from time to time, but as it was out of direct sight, I hadn't noticed that the green had disappeared and the red was very busy . . . so a bit of a combination problem I believe.
[13:47] <Ian_> I will have to sort myself out for some testing of the PSU capabilities. Best I rely on less than 75% of rated/promised.
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[13:50] <Ian_> I will also think about powering the Pi3/HDMI Pi combo separately rather than using the HDMI Pi to pass power to the Pi3
[13:52] <emvidge> Hi, am I OK to join in? Been hovering for a few days but not sure how this works and don't want to interrupt a conversation!
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[13:55] <edmoore> emvidge: you're more than ok, you're very welcome
[13:55] <edmoore> there's no real etiquette, just dive in
[13:56] <fab4space> fsphil, craag look at latest evariste F5OEO post :)
[13:56] <fab4space> fsphil, craag look at latest evariste F5OEO tweet sorry :)
[13:56] <fab4space> https://twitter.com/F5OEOEvariste/status/786565915429081088
[13:59] <Ian_> Better found out about potential issues now than when I was more reliant on my Pis
[14:00] <Ian_> Mine was more a CQ rant than anything else emvidge, so don't worry about interrupting.
[14:00] <Ian_> Welcome and if you have any questions just shoot from the hip and those that are in the know will help you all they can.
[14:04] <Ian_> Well I see the BATC stream now and the chat requesting confirmation that it is working at 1501. Nice loft with skylight
[14:05] <Ian_> Via the tweeted Batc link
[14:06] <emvidge> Thanks guys! I possibly met some of you at the UKHAS meeting in Cambridge. My boss gave a talk on using balloons to sample the stratosphere.
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[14:09] <emvidge> I just had a quick question about radios. I'm got my little licence-except NTX2B radio module on my desk and I'm just setting it up on my Arduino. I know that I don't need an amateur radio licence for receiving signals from my little NTX (for tracking) but if I want to send signals, e.g. if I want to control a cut-down of the balloon, do you know if I need a licence? (Also, if anyone can recommend me their favourite radio rece
[14:09] <emvidge> ...ch one to get!)
[14:09] <Ian_> Maybe did, but not consciously. F5OEO obviously isn't having my luck.
[14:11] <Ian_> As long as you remain within the ISM rules as laid down (IR2030 in UK) then there is no requirement for an AR licence.
[14:12] <Ian_> The problem of course comes that whilst listening to a very small signal from a balloon - direct line of sight \
[14:13] <Ian_> The balloon sees an increasing number of ground based signals (noise) as it gets higher, so ground to air communication is less easy than air to ground
[14:13] <gonzo_> also, the little matching RX modules are not the most sensitive in the world and are designed for quite wide bandwidth signals (well, wide compared to the way that we use them for RTTY). So that will limit their range, module to module
[14:14] <gonzo_> I believe that licenec exempt lora is better in that respect
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[14:14] <Ian_> Daveake has dabbled with cut downs and LoRa - snap gonzo
[14:15] <gonzo_> using a higher power TX on the ground can get around this, but will need to use an AR licence. May be legal in some countries, un the UK it's a grey area
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[14:16] <gonzo_> an easier way of controling cutdowns may be, use GPS altitude or geofence
[14:17] <Ian_> gonzo special AR CQ call complete with cutdown data burst.
[14:17] <gonzo_> there was a repl;y from ofcom that I posted on the forum. Even they were grey about it
[14:18] <Ian_> I notice that my Feidetsu(?) FM handie emits a burst on de-keying the tx. Listen to the signal with USB and look at the captured burst with Audacity
[14:18] <gonzo_> but seemed to be, if you don't cause any problems, then they won't need to investigate (as is their remit these days)
[14:19] <jross8599> Anyone know where to get Heptax 525? The supplier I'm looking at hasn't emailed me back
[14:20] <adamgreig> Ian_: a lot of handies send an ID code so that the base stations can ID who's talking
[14:20] <adamgreig> the baofengs can do it too
[14:23] <Ian_> Thanks adamgreig. I had figured out the purpose but not identified anything that would decode it. Big Brother feature :)
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[14:54] <emvidge> Thanks so much. I'lll look into LoRA and GPS for cut down. I thought an issue with GPS is that you lose signal at high altitude?
[14:57] <emvidge> Ah, and I think what you're saying is that even if my NTX radio module is licence except, if I get something like a Yaesu to listen to it then I'll need a licence for that?
[14:59] <AndyEsser> emvidge: no
[14:59] <AndyEsser> you don't need a license to RX using something like a Yaesu
[14:59] <AndyEsser> (just don't press the TX button)
[15:00] <mfa298> if you use the right GPS module it shouldn't lose lock at high altitude
[15:00] <emvidge> mfa298: do you have one you'd recommend
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No the problem with receiving signals at the Balloon end is that it is hearing LOTS of signals as it has a line of sight link to every device within a 300Km radius.
[15:01] <mfa298> at least not until 50km and that's well above the amateur records
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Whilst at the ground station end your only hearing signals from within a few Km's and one line of sight link to the balloon.
[15:01] <mfa298> most here use the ublox modules which you can get at https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=60_64
[15:01] <emvidge> mfa298: well you never know what I could attempt ;)
[15:02] <emvidge> great, I have a uBLOX MAX-M8Q already
[15:02] <emvidge> AndyEsser: good to know. However, if it's helpful (and sort of polite to the community that I fully know what I'm doing?) then I might look into getting a licence
[15:02] <mfa298> you need to put them in the right mode to go over 12km, but theres plenty of examples of that around
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The one thin g you need t to do with the GPS modules is putr them into FLIGHT mode so that they continue working above 12km alititude
[15:02] <adamgreig> wouldn't worry too much about getting a licence - maybe you'd enjoy doing the exam at the next ukhas conf if you come
[15:03] <adamgreig> but it's not necessary to do hab stuff and it's unlikely you'll learn anything particularly useful
[15:03] <emvidge> OK, thanks @adamgreig.
[15:03] <adamgreig> as others have suggested, lora is probably your best bet for a telecommanded cutdown
[15:04] <emvidge> So, I'll aim to use LoRA and/or GPS for the cut down, but we'll probably fly the little NTX radio module as well for tracking (we're desperate to get our payload back). Would you recommend a Yaesu radio receiver? Or something else?
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There are several options and you might decide to use more than one type of receiver.
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> For a fixed station then SDR have a lot going for them devices like the Airspy.
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> For mobile tracking then you might be better using a receiver like a Yaseu simply as its more compact and possibly less cables, but a lot of stations now do use a SDR setup as well
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[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your better of perhaps experimenting around with the cheaper SDR options before deciding what you need
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your going to use LoRa then RPi and the add on-board is all you will be using anyway.
[15:09] <emvidge> SDR = software defined radio? I've seen the Airspy devices. They plug into the PC and get the radio signal, am I correct. *Sigh* so much to learn (I LOVE it!)
[15:09] <mfa298> whilst building and testing the cheap rtlsdr's are more than good enough, and as Geoff-G8DHE-M says that leave you some time to choose what to ues for tracking
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes that's right
[15:10] <emvidge> We will be mobile, but no readon we can't try both (the budget, I guess)
[15:10] <emvidge> Brilliant - thanks all - plenty for me to go and research, shop for and try.
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The area has so many different aspects to it which is what attracts a lot of people to the "hobby"
[15:12] <mfa298> all of the sdr dongles work in a similar way, some are just better than others (and that can depend on what you want from it) so you can always start with a cheap one and upgrade if/when you decide thats what you want to use
[15:12] <emvidge> If anyone's ever in the Norfolk area and keen to see the science side of my new 'hobby' you're welcome to visit our labs
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Well your in a good area for launching!
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Landing on some of the RAF bases can be a problem however ;-)
[15:16] <daveake> I can recommened Thetford Firing Range for a courteous service albeit you might get locked in afterwards.
[15:17] <emvidge> Really Geoff? I thought we'd be likely to see our air samples floating out across the North Sea
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[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I didn't mention the Flight only the launch and landing ;-)
[15:17] <emvidge> Steve R came to visit - I heard all the stories about his retrievals. I've got my extendable pole at the ready and my super polite scientist face on to charm the RAF
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Depends where in Norfolk you launch from!
[15:18] <emvidge> And a canoe for the sea, so all set
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your likely to only launch from one place might be worth getting an Hourly predictor setup so that you can see where flights will take you.
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Like this one for Elsworth http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/elsworth/
[15:19] <emvidge> I've been doing twice-weekly predictions for each hour between 5 and 11 am from Elsworth, Cardington and Ross on Wye
[15:19] <emvidge> using that predicitor, so glad you recommend it
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[15:22] <emvidge> Home time for me, thanks for the help this afternoon.
[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your welcome!
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5JUT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5JUT
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[16:16] <Laurenceb_> !whereis SP9UOB
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03SP9UOB was over 03Peace River, BC, Canada 10(57.40537,-127.3669) at 0313047 meters about 036 days ago
[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0PAW-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0PAW-1
[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0PAW-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0PAW-2
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[17:47] <pcal> Hello, I am going to launch a flight on Saturday 15th. Can anyone tell me where to post my flight doc ID? Thank you
[17:48] <adamgreig> #habhub
[17:48] <mfa298> pcal: you need to go to #habhub to get the flight doc approved, it mgiht be worth mailing the mailing list as well
[17:49] <pcal> Okay will do. Thanks
[17:49] <pcal> #habhub
[17:49] <mfa298> try /join #habhub
[17:49] <pcal> join #habhub
[17:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[17:50] <pcal> Mmmm no luck!
[17:50] <mfa298> you need the / in /join
[17:50] <pcal> okay
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[18:02] <x-f> https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/auroral-activity
[18:02] <x-f> if it's clear you may want to go out tonight
[18:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I wish :-(
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[18:11] <fsphil> little chance here
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[18:14] <fsphil> rain can be interesting too ....
[18:15] <x-f> ..when you're back from space where you spent many months, then perhaps :)
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[18:20] <fsphil> maybe I am. (I'm not)
[18:20] <fsphil> I like heavy rain. if it's going to rain, it should do it properly
[18:21] <x-f> my "cloud sensor" (sky temperature) shows the usual view - days without clouds and, when there's a chance of aurora, only clouds - https://ukhas.net/nodeInfo?id=136
[18:21] <x-f> it cannot be a simple coincidence if it happens so often
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[18:22] <x-f> i love nightly lightning
[18:22] <fsphil> same
[18:22] <fsphil> it's quite rare here. had some this year, the first in many many years
[18:42] <SM0ULC-Reb> x-f: there was some nice "clouds" here a few weeks ago :)
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[18:51] <alchemist> Hey all, Graham here (KE0AUU). Was pointed to this chat Anthony M0UPU
[18:51] <mfa298> welcome alchemist
[18:52] <alchemist> *by Anthony from Radiometrix. I'm looking for help with interfacing my UHX1 to a Raspberry Pi Zero.
[18:55] <alchemist> If anyone has any experience or references/contacts I'd greatly appreciate it
[18:56] <alchemist> On a side note that is loosely related, I'm meeting Scott Kelly tonight at a presentation about his year in space and his vision for the future of space exploration.
[18:58] <mfa298> you might find some clues in the pi in the sky code base for how you can use the UHX1
[18:58] <mfa298> I'm guessing you want to send APRS with it ?
[19:00] <alchemist> Yes, TX on 144.390 and receive on a neighboring frequency for command and control. Idaho's RISE team recently did such. I've recently reached out to them.
[19:04] <Upu> hey alchemist
[19:04] <Upu> I don't work for Radiometrix :)
[19:05] <Upu> UHX1 I would imagine you just drive it like a HX1 to get APRS
[19:05] <Upu> so existing PITS code base should work
[19:05] <Upu> RX .. no idea
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[19:05] <Upu> oh it has a build in modem
[19:05] <Upu> interesting
[19:08] <alchemist> I'm not even to the point of coding yet, still trying to learn how to connect the pins with my Pi's GPIO
[19:09] <alchemist> I will look at HX1 examples as well, thanks for the idea. The only semi-detailed write-ups I've seen are with 10mW transmitters that have very different pinouts.
[19:10] <Upu> Well all the schematics and code is up on github
[19:10] <Upu> but that unit is a different beast
[19:13] <Upu> probably better off with LoRa for two way
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[19:23] <alchemist> I am finding some new stuff on GitHub. I'm sold on the UHX1 for a few other projects as well, where the LoRa isn't ideal.
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[19:30] <qyx> mhm, would you recommend a cheap rx/tx SDR with >=2MHz BW and gnuradio support?
[19:31] <qyx> ~100MHz-1GHz is enough
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[19:35] <mfa298> if you want tx as well in an SDR you probably want the HackRF or LimeSDR (not sure what the LimeSDR is like with gnuradio though)
[19:36] <qyx> hackrf is the only one under 500¬ I found so far :S
[19:38] <mfa298> there's a few of us with the HackRF, although I've not done much with mine yet
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[19:57] <fsphil> it's great for the price
[19:58] <fsphil> seems well supported too
[19:58] <fsphil> the limesdr has better specs but I don't think it's for sale yet?
[19:58] <fsphil> was a kickstarter thingy
[19:58] <kc2pit> I believe you can toss your limeSDR preorder in the queue any time, but it's not shipping yet.
[20:00] <aadamson> I would doubt that the 1200baud modem on the UHX1 = 1200bd AFSK (1200/2200hz tones) for APRS
[20:01] <aadamson> although there is this reference - http://www.radiometrix.com/uhx1-press-release
[20:02] <aadamson> but says "special"... so who knows
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[21:07] <gurlavie_> Is there a way to know for how long a flight is going ? For example - UBSEDS18 ?
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[21:10] <Babs> Evening everyone - basic question but worth asking for piece of mind. The Ublox GPS punts out the same (UTC) time whatever location I am at?
[21:10] <Babs> i.e. as long as I know where the eclipse in the US is on a UTC basis, thats all i need
[21:10] <daveake> yes
[21:10] <Babs> cheers daveake
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[21:14] <Futurity> Evening
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[21:18] <fsphil> yes
[21:18] <fsphil> oh
[21:20] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> gurlavie_: https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=All&mc=52.0584,-1.97551&f=ubseds18-6&q=ubseds18
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[21:21] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> klick on the red line where it started and u see all info
[21:21] <Babs> actually this thing is all starting to come together now
[21:22] <Babs> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/30272485926/in/album-72157636929911016/
[21:22] <gurlavie_> So it really is 2month in air ? almost 100,000km ? Amazing ! is this kind of record ?
[21:22] <Babs> camera all fitted and externally powered
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> gurlavie_: no
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/
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[21:27] <gurlavie_> July 12 - November 23 ? 134 days ....
[21:28] <gurlavie_> which tracker was it ? and balloon self made. fantastic.
[21:28] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> sp9uob is close to break thar reccord
[21:28] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> its +120 days
[21:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Home made tracker written in assmbler I believe
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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