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[05:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-5 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-5
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[07:31] <Upu> morning
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[07:32] <fsphil> tis
[07:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning all
[07:34] <Upu> BARC are launching this morning
[07:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Possibly ?
[07:34] <Upu> its in the air
[07:34] <Upu> boom boom
[07:34] <Upu> it was cancelled yesterday
[07:34] <Upu> not sure why
[07:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It is ? Not on the map yet ?
[07:36] <Upu> no it was a bad joke
[07:36] <Upu> ignore me
[07:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah only just got down, not even haf coffee yet bear with me!
[07:36] <Upu> nothing on waterfall yet
[07:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I won't get it till late in the flight that far up north anyway :-(
[07:37] <fsphil> you've a bear with you?
[07:37] <fsphil> that could be useful
[07:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Well actually I have an Orangtan (Librarian) sat on the bookshelves ;-)
[07:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> u*
[07:40] <fsphil> There's a zebra in the corner here
[07:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Carefull when you cross the room then
[07:40] <fsphil> two actually. one's on top of the other
[07:40] <daveake> You're 'avin a giraffe
[07:41] <daveake> I only have one zebra here
[07:42] <fsphil> they need fed quite a lot
[07:42] <daveake> Fed mine last week
[07:42] <daveake> It's a cross we have to bear
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[07:49] <gonzo_> what did you feed it to?
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[07:52] <AndyEsser> morning
[07:53] <AndyEsser> I'm so confused...
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[07:53] <AndyEsser> Orangatan? Zebras?
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[07:55] <gonzo_> all I have is a Gonzo toy
[07:56] <AndyEsser> Go play with yourself
[07:57] <gonzo_> hehe, I've been told that a few times
[07:57] <gonzo_> but... a toy of gonso or one of gonzo's toys ?
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[08:03] <mfa298> AndyEsser: you need to read the right sort of books for the Orangutan (Librarian) reference
[08:04] <gonzo_> OOK
[08:05] <gonzo_> (Whenever anyone posts that wrt CW, I can't help by but think of the librarian)
[08:05] <mfa298> +++ Out of cheese error +++
[08:06] Action: AndyEsser backs away slowly....
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[08:09] <kiwidean> Serious question... when using hydrogen what grade should be used? Ultra high, high, industrial, scientific/instrument? Does it make a big difference?
[08:09] <Upu> "cheap"
[08:10] <kiwidean> :-)
[08:10] <AndyEsser> Upu speaks sense
[08:10] <AndyEsser> The lifting difference between 99% and 99.999% pure hydrogen I imagine is neglible for your needs
[08:11] <daveake> Even the cheap stuff is 99.99something
[08:11] <AndyEsser> O really? thought BOC did a 95% pure as well
[08:11] <daveake> Not according to the data sheet they sent to me
[08:11] <daveake> You may be thinking of helium
[08:12] <AndyEsser> Ah yes apologies
[08:12] <AndyEsser> its early and I've not yet had coffee
[08:12] <daveake> Don't want 5% of (for example) air in my H2, thanks
[08:12] <AndyEsser> Yea... that'd be a recipe for bad stuff
[08:12] <gonzo_> the main reason for using H2 is cost (and the knowledge that you are not using up a finite He resource). I expect that anything but thecheap fuel grade H2 is going to be more expensive than He ?
[08:14] <gonzo_> the 5% is made up of rice pudding and left hand wellies, so you're safe enough dave
[08:15] <kiwidean> That's what I suspected. I've only managed to source a G size cylinder of UHP for around $430NZD (~250 pounds).
[08:15] <mfa298> you might want to look at what else i in there, but unless its 10% of something very dense there's probably not much in it
[08:17] <AndyEsser> 90% H2 10% Pb
[08:18] <gonzo_> Rp & Lw
[08:19] <kiwidean> Yes Dave, we had an evil high school chemistry teacher demonstrate what happens when you "dilute" hydrogen down with some oxygen. A lesson I remember well.
[08:19] <AndyEsser> 1 Bucket, Washing Up Liquid, Pump H2 into the bucket of water + washing up liquid
[08:20] <AndyEsser> stand back, throw lit splint at bubbles
[08:20] <AndyEsser> get knocked on ass
[08:20] <gonzo_> 50/50 of H2 and whiskey is an interesting mix
[08:21] <gonzo_> sitting outside in the wee hours, around a fire, with the bottle within arms reach
[08:21] <gonzo_> there were a few pops that evening
[08:21] <gonzo_> there was an O2 bottle avail too, but was not quite THAT drunk
[08:22] <kiwidean> The teacher gave the ignition privilege to the class loud mouth, who wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and wasn't at all suspicious.
[08:22] <AndyEsser> hahaha
[08:24] <gonzo_> proof that darwin was right:
[08:24] <gonzo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMB2VR0087w
[08:25] <gonzo_> chemistry lesson where we were burning things in O2 in a deflagrating jar. Noting colour etc. And the kid who had cheekilly snook around the back of the teacher to get a prime position, got to do the smell test
[08:26] <gonzo_> when it came to sulphur, he was knocked down choking. Lesson@ Don't stick your nose into what you don't know
[08:27] <AndyEsser> :P
[08:28] <gonzo_> though the other lesson learned (yes it was me) was to mix sulphor and sodium nitrate weed killer, to make an incendary gas bomb, for when we were doing night ex with the cadets
[08:30] <gonzo_> set a bag of it in the woods, and fire it off. The people hiding in ambush near, lost their night vision and the ones down wind were choking and gave themselves away
[08:30] <fsphil> you where holding back at emfcamp
[08:30] <gonzo_> other lessons were learned from that though
[08:31] <gonzo_> hehe, the .dk camp were doing well enough with their smoke machine
[08:31] <AndyEsser> also... sodding Maths Yoga at 8.30am on Saturday...
[08:31] Action: mfa298 makes note to always be on gonzo's team if doing those sorts of things
[08:32] <gonzo_> not played with home made bangs for a very long time. There was an 'incident' (not my making) and all printed material was mailed away and substances went down the bog
[08:33] <kiwidean> Another student experimenting with a pile of magnesium and aluminium filings sitting on one of those asbestos boards used under bunsen burners, didn't realise asbestos explodes at extreme temperatures and managed to blow out every window in the lab.
[08:33] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: go on....
[08:34] <cm13g09> kiwidean: OOPS
[08:34] <gonzo_> after I had moved out of halls of res, a couple of guys made some stuff and took out a number of windows, put chunks of metal through stud walls, generally upset people/army/police
[08:34] <cm13g09> gonzo_: OOPS
[08:35] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[08:35] <gonzo_> there was a thing called the jolly rogers cookbook, that you now get sent to prison for having. Then, I didn't know anyone who didn't have a copy
[08:36] <gonzo_> (the actual source material for most of it is a US special forces menual called 'Improvised munitions handbook', which is freely avail these days. Odd situation.)
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[08:37] <daveake> gonzo_: You are proof that it was possible to survive before H&S happened
[08:37] <AndyEsser> 'is that the same as the Anarchists Cookbook?
[08:37] <AndyEsser> daveake: and be wiser for it :)
[08:38] <gonzo_> yep, and I think it came to be called the terrorists handbook too
[08:38] <mfa298> I'd forgotton about the jolly rogers cookbook.
[08:38] Action: cm13g09 prays that May and Co aren't warching.....
[08:38] <cm13g09> *watching
[08:38] <gonzo_> (did we have this conversaation at post habconf beers?)
[08:38] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: it's IRC we're safe
[08:38] <AndyEsser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
[08:38] <AndyEsser> :)
[08:38] <AndyEsser> obligatory Numb3rs scene describing IRC
[08:39] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: we were discussing your home made shooting range post-habconf beers
[08:39] <gonzo_> the original JR cookbook was actually responsibly edited, so that only the difficult to make recipies were in there (so kids would fail)
[08:39] <fsphil> AndyEsser: that is so awful it's wonderful
[08:40] <gonzo_> There were beers so I forget what we talkked about
[08:41] <AndyEsser> "luckily I speak leet"
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[08:42] <kiwidean> Thanks for the answers re hydrogen grades. Time for me to sign off for the night.
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[08:44] <gonzo_> it's astounding how wrong these tech dramas can get it
[08:45] <gonzo_> next they will be decoding the hidden messages in the pun threads!
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[08:46] <fsphil> me when I'm doing a password audit: https://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/password-1200.jpg
[08:46] <fsphil> some stock "hacker" photos are amazing
[08:47] <fsphil> that one looks like a nazgul trying to login to a computer in mordor
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[08:51] <AndyEsser> fsphil: http://i.imgur.com/lz7hOlC.gif?noredirect
[08:51] <AndyEsser> games programmers FTW :)
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[08:52] <fsphil> "do something hackery" "I GOT THIS"
[08:52] <fsphil> looks like a ninja keyboard
[08:56] <gonzo_> my keyboard is as bad. It has all the printing on, but the lights in the office reflect and I can't see the keycaps. And I two finger stab whilst looking at the keyboard
[08:59] <AndyEsser> bad gonzo_
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[08:59] <AndyEsser> and still your typing is terrible?!
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[09:03] <mfa298> guy in the background on that is a lot more realistic
[09:03] <gonzo_> fat fingers
[09:03] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjF7HKSaaI
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[09:04] <AndyEsser> mfa298: definitely
[09:05] <gonzo_> that about sums it up. Worst are android keyboards
[09:06] <gonzo_> there was a site doing a google front end, called something like 'fat fingers' that woudl try and auto correct searches, based on adjacent keys
[09:06] <AndyEsser> I have fat fingers and no issues with android keyboards
[09:07] <Urchin> gonzo_: there are good programs to learn touch typing
[09:09] <gonzo_> I'm too lazy to learn, also the two finger stab style annoys the hell out of the co-workers, so they tend not to hand around when you are trying to type something
[09:09] <gonzo_> which is a bonus
[09:12] <fsphil> I hate seeing people using caps lock to type in a single capital letter. so many in this office do it
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[09:12] <fsphil> there's a shift key for that. they even put two on there to make it easier!
[09:12] Action: fsphil calms down
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[09:15] <gonzo_> It's all done intentionally
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[09:16] <gonzo_> like seeing your parents trying to use a smart phone, holding it at arms length, looking over the gl;asses at it disapprovingly. And swiping madly at the screen with an outstretched finger
[09:17] <daveake> arms length might be too close if it's a Note 7
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[09:17] <gonzo_> it's a carefully crafted look, to frustrate the hell out of their kids
[09:17] <jakeio> Depends, how much do you value the arm?
[09:17] <daveake> mine are worth an arm and a leg
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[09:29] <AndyEsser> fsphil: omg!!! so painful when I see that (re caps lock for shift)
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[09:51] <daveake> Also, say someone is typing "attic", it's search ..... A .... search .... T ......search even longer ..... ah there's T again ...
[09:52] <daveake> At which point it's "give me the keyboard and get out the way"
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[10:26] <daveake> Any news from BARC yet ?
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[10:42] <hyde00001> Re BARC... I know nothing, but if I've read their NOTAM correctly, then I think they are out of time today, but they do have permission for tomorrow...
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[10:44] <daveake> yup
[10:44] <jakeio> Ping Upu.
[10:44] <Upu> hola
[10:44] <Upu> got it
[10:44] <jakeio> Splendid!
[10:44] <Upu> will ship today
[10:45] <fsphil> http://www.space.com/34341-european-spacecraft-mars-landing-next-week.html
[10:45] <fsphil> the mostly pointless mars lander
[10:46] <jakeio> Thanks Upu!
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[11:43] <daveake> er ....
[11:44] <fsphil> ahem
[11:45] <fsphil> take no notice of the airmen
[11:48] <dbrooke> I used to fly gliders out of Doncaster
[11:48] <dbrooke> I'm receiving it so it must be real
[11:52] <mattbrejza> 'FROM: 12 Oct 2016 10:00 GMT (11:00 BST) TO: 12 Oct 2016 17:30 GMT (18:30 BST) '
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[11:52] <daveake> Odd - notaminfo was showing up to 11:30BST
[11:53] <mattbrejza> i think youre looking at the wrong one
[11:53] <daveake> quite possibly
[11:54] <daveake> yeah that was the Sheffield one
[11:54] <daveake> fairy nuff then
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[12:01] <pb0ahx> !payload BARC4
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03BARC4 10(bfb9) 03$$BARC4 - 03PITS Test - 03434.45 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[12:03] <g8fjg> its on 434.649
[12:03] <pb0ahx> g8fjg, mni tnx info
[12:03] <g8fjg> for 1khz centre
[12:04] <pb0ahx> rgr
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[12:08] <Laurenceb_> !whereis SP9UOB
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03SP9UOB was over 03Peace River, BC, Canada 10(57.40537,-127.3669) at 0313047 meters about 034 days ago
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS-18
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: I haven't got a clue
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS18
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS18 was over 03Saratovsky District, Saratov Oblast, Russia 10(51.38858,45.46369) at 0312544 meters about 03a day ago
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[12:13] <pb0ahx> g8fjg, autoconfigure is ok for BARC4 ??
[12:18] <g8fjg> sorry afk auto is ok
[12:19] <pb0ahx> ok
[12:20] <pb0ahx> not many trackers ??
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[12:24] <pb0ahx> i have it on screen but not strong here
[12:25] <pb0ahx> yet
[12:25] <pb0ahx> &BARC4,2328,12:25:28,53.4890,-1.60659,14041,50211,1,7.4,3.3,141*CE28
[12:25] <pb0ahx> $$ARC,2329.12:25:30,53\08066,-
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[12:30] <pb0ahx> green
[12:30] <pb0ahx> 434.8 km
[12:31] <fsphil> nice
[12:32] <pb0ahx> yes but the signaal is not very strong here
[12:40] <g8fjg> its 10-15db down on what I would expect..good job no qrm on this qrg
[12:42] <pb0ahx> here also no qrm
[12:44] <fsphil> too much q
[12:46] <Upu> ABRC up ?
[12:47] <Upu> got it
[12:47] <Upu> so frequency is spot on the
[12:47] <Upu> 434.650
[12:47] <Upu> !track barc4
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=barc4
[12:48] <Upu> given its nearly at 20km was probably launching in its NOTAM window
[12:50] <daveake> It's fine - hyde00001 and I were looking at the wrong notam (one near Sheffield)
[12:50] <daveake> The correct one is FROM: 12 Oct 2016 10:00 GMT (11:00 BST) TO: 12 Oct 2016 17:30 GMT (18:30 BST)
[12:52] <daveake> Launched about 12:30
[12:53] <hyde00001> mmm I was also looking at the wrong frequency... 434.650 much better than the frequency given on the habhub map...
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[12:58] <g8fjg> spoke too soon about qrm :-(
[13:00] <g8fjg> switching to low yagi ..
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[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !dial barc4
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Latest dials for 03BARC4 10(bfb9): 032000 MHz, 434.649 MHz
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Is that right 434.650 ?
[13:17] <hyde00001> Yes
[13:17] <pb0ahx> wat is expekt hight ??
[13:17] <hyde00001> 27284m
[13:17] <pb0ahx> fun
[13:18] <pb0ahx> the burst hight ?
[13:18] <hyde00001> sorry - I stated current height... expected height - not my show, so who knows...
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[13:25] <geoffw> !flights
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> 03geoffw: Current flights: 03Barc 10(bfb9), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[13:52] <daveake> 1.2m/s ... odd
[13:54] <pb0ahx> nice
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[14:02] <daveake> It's trying quite hard to not burst
[14:03] <fsphil> good altitude
[14:05] <fsphil> there it goes
[14:05] <fsphil> heading for mansfield
[14:05] <pb0ahx> poofffffff
[14:05] <pb0ahx> -78.6 wow
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[14:12] <pb0ahx> BARC4 team mni tnx for flight
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[14:15] <daveake> Centre of Mansfield. Lovely.
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[14:24] <mfa298> if it's on .650 does that mean we can do our best ham impressions at them :p
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[14:37] <RPF-JR> Which channel is it to request an hourly?
[14:37] <daveake> #habhub
[14:38] <RPF-JR> thanks dave
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[14:40] <RPF-JR> whilst you're there, what's the easiest way to prevent images at ground level being transmitted, doing a launch with a school and want them to be involved but concerned about broadcasting images of children.
[14:41] <fsphil> that's a pretty big forest they landed in
[14:43] <udat> copied well then not one perfect decode thereafter
[14:43] <daveake> Duct tape
[14:43] <udat> just of bits
[14:43] <udat> lots
[14:43] <daveake> Over the camera, not the kids.
[14:43] <daveake> OTOH ...
[14:43] <RPF-JR> :-)
[14:43] <udat> because of tumbling or speed of descent?
[14:43] <daveake> There's no such option in the s/w
[14:44] <RPF-JR> okay, maybe just cover the camera during preflight
[14:45] <M0RJX> It's going to be a miricle if it ends up in the field
[14:45] <udat> RPF-JR: and put down uncover lens on the checklist :)
[14:45] <M0RJX> Ahh it's down
[14:46] <RPF-JR> udat ;-) thanks
[14:46] <M0RJX> Looks like it was clost to the antennas
[14:47] <M0RJX> Upu, I'll be needing my recovery pole in a couple of weeks !!
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[14:48] <M0RJX> them are big trees I hope thay have a long pole with them
[14:49] <M0RJX> daveake, any requests for the gateway holiday approaching
[14:49] <daveake> Yeah please don't change the style again
[14:49] <M0RJX> Which style
[14:49] <daveake> Had trouble reading my own code
[14:49] <daveake> This
[14:49] <daveake> k
[14:49] <daveake> i
[14:49] <daveake> n
[14:49] <daveake> d of
[14:49] <daveake> thing
[14:50] <daveake> and void
[14:50] <daveake> something
[14:50] <M0RJX> Do you have a style?
[14:50] <daveake> what it started as
[14:50] <M0RJX> lol a defined one
[14:50] <fsphil> you define variables with the name on a different line to the type?
[14:50] <fsphil> that's criminal :)
[14:51] <daveake> Well you saw what it was; then it changed
[14:51] <M0RJX> really? I thought that was just the functions
[14:51] <Upu> no probs Rob I'll drop it over
[14:53] <M0RJX> daveake, it takes about 10 mins to change the code to any format you like :-)
[14:53] <daveake> Like the one it started as ?
[14:53] <M0RJX> send me your coding guidelines and I'll set it up
[14:54] <daveake> There really was no need to change it in the first place, and like I said some of the changes made it difficult to read my own code
[14:54] <M0RJX> There was inconsistancies due to the number of places the code came from
[14:54] <M0RJX> were
[14:54] <daveake> That's true
[14:54] <daveake> The annoying ones were ..
[14:54] <daveake> void
[14:54] <M0RJX> So it was in my interst to adopt a standard rather than go around 4 different standards
[14:54] <daveake> some_function(....
[14:55] <M0RJX> I can easitly fix that
[14:55] <daveake> And expressions that fitted fine on 1 line ending up as 8 lines
[14:55] <daveake> and personally I don't like the extra spaces before/after brackets, but that's one I can live with
[14:55] <M0RJX> I think I adopted the kernal style
[14:56] <AndyEsser> daveake: don't like void?
[14:57] Action: fsphil resists
[14:57] <M0RJX> see this line in the makefile INDOPT= -bap -bl -blf -bli0 -brs -cbi0 -cdw -cs -ci4 -cli4 -i4 -ip0 -nbc -nce -lp -npcs -nut -pmt -psl -prs -ts4
[14:57] <M0RJX> You can set all the formatting you like there
[14:57] <M0RJX> then run make tidy and it will be as you like
[14:57] <M0RJX> see man intent
[14:57] <daveake> void is correct; what's annoying is putting th voide all on its own then having a new line before the void function
[14:57] <AndyEsser> o sorry, didn't get that's what you meant
[14:57] <AndyEsser> yea, bad
[14:58] <daveake> yeah I think someone else posted between my lines
[14:58] <M0RJX> The advantage of this it will allow you to frmat the code into any style you like and inforce the rulkes
[14:58] <AndyEsser> M0RJX: unless you have an agreed style which you make tidy before committing, you'll upset git
[14:58] <fsphil> I like to break my own format rules sometimes, if it makes it clearer what the intention behind the code is
[14:59] <fsphil> auto formatting kinda spoils that
[14:59] <daveake> Yeah that's another point ... I+-d to merge changes. So I ran a diff. Every -single line non-blank line (and probably some blank ones too) were listed as different
[14:59] <M0RJX> It was one of the first things I did was to format the code into a standard obviously not one that dave liked :-)
[14:59] <daveake> short version: don't change what doesn't need changing
[14:59] <AndyEsser> ^^^^^^^
[14:59] <daveake> least invasive changes
[14:59] <M0RJX> daveake, I'll just fork next time then
[14:59] <daveake> really the diff thing was a complete pita
[15:00] <M0RJX> Up to you if you want to bring the stuff back accross
[15:01] <daveake> well just fork, do the changes, fork back promptly
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[15:01] <daveake> Merging can be a pain at the best of times
[15:01] <M0RJX> Do you want to define a style you like then I'll be able to keep to it
[15:02] <M0RJX> daveake, almost as bad as fixing the code :-)
[15:02] <daveake> brb phone
[15:05] <M0RJX> my next change was to pull the whole lot appart into separate libraries rather than have it all moixed together
[15:05] <dbrooke> for collaborative work it's best to stick with whatever is already there rather than enforce a standard otherwise it becomes really hard to track changes due to all the diffs which are just cosmetic
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[15:06] <M0RJX> But that will be a total voerhaul ond restructure with new function names to match the libraries so perhaps you might not want to bring that back into the main branch
[15:06] <dbrooke> I had to redo all my local changes by hand as evrything conflicted in the merge
[15:06] <M0RJX> dbrooke, that is if there is a standard but the code has come from multiple sources and not been formatted at all so it was quite inconsistant
[15:07] <dbrooke> in which case I would leave it inconsistent
[15:07] <M0RJX> Ok cool well there is no need for dave to merge it back in to the gateway anyhow
[15:08] <M0RJX> I just want a version that I can work with going forward in some nice tidy libraies
[15:08] <M0RJX> with consistent function names
[15:09] <dbrooke> I'm sure he'd like to pull back improvements but if it can be done in a way which allows a mostly automatic merge by minimising diffs it makes it a lot easier
[15:11] <M0RJX> Like I say the biggest improvement I can make is to split out the UI from the RX and TX code and move it into libraries but that won't be an easy change
[15:11] <M0RJX> Improvements will then be quicker to make and require less testing
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[15:11] <M0RJX> and the code files will move from being monolithic
[15:12] <M0RJX> But the whole idea of forking is that it allows you to take something in your own direction which can be added back later if it's deemed worth while
[15:13] <M0RJX> If it's not worth the effort then I'm sure dave will be happy to let me run off on my own.
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[15:14] <dbrooke> well a major restructure like that can't really avoid some pain, I was more referring to cosmetic changes which created unnecessary conflicts when I tried to merge back with mine
[15:15] <M0RJX> indeed, I'll give it the over haul unless dave wants to and people can see if they want it or not.
[15:16] <M0RJX> Is there a prefered style that people like
[15:16] <dbrooke> I'm sure you'll get as many answers to that as people 8-)
[15:17] <M0RJX> lol :-)
[15:18] <M0RJX> Lets go for one that people can live with and then we have a standard
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[15:18] <M0RJX> K&R
[15:18] <dbrooke> they did kind of start it all off ...
[15:19] <M0RJX> https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Writing-C.html
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[15:19] <dbrooke> I was about tosay "jus don't go GNU" 8-)
[15:20] <M0RJX> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle this suggests burning the one above
[15:20] <dbrooke> I hate those half indented braces in GNU
[15:20] <M0RJX> NASA anyone http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/dts/pm/Papers/nasa-c-style.pdf
[15:20] <M0RJX> Probably too amaerican
[15:21] <dbrooke> the GNU one does at least say "If you are contributing changes to an existing program, please follow the style of that program."
[15:22] <M0RJX> dbrooke, true but if there is no style see version 1.6 then I don't know what to do
[15:23] <M0RJX> Admittedly intenting it was a sledge hammer blow but I could then alt least read it in a standard way
[15:24] <M0RJX> daveake, shall we adopt the GNU standard?
[15:25] <dbrooke> A quick glance at the kernel one seems to be close to what I tend to do
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[15:26] <M0RJX> GNU seems to favout function name in column one which I think daveake didn't like
[15:28] <dbrooke> kernel one seems to me pretty much K&R with 8 char indent
[15:28] <M0RJX> I prefere 4 char but can live with 8
[15:29] <M0RJX> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Allman_style
[15:29] <M0RJX> They are all there :-)
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[15:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[15:31] <M0RJX> givent that it's daveake's baby perhaps he could chose one of the styles from the wiki link for indent and I will change the make tidy to match this and then hopefully we will be consitant forever more
[15:32] <M0RJX> Un like my typing
[15:33] <M0RJX> Personally I think I'd go for K&R
[15:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Unless your changing the functionality of the code then all your discssing is the type of head on a screw, slot, cross or hex makes no difference to the function.
[15:37] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, Having a style allows us to make changes in a way that everyone can read and understand easily
[15:38] <M0RJX> Taking your analogy it would bne a pain to have toi use 8 screw drivers to open a box when one would do
[15:38] <M0RJX> I agree they will hold the box together but it's messy and time consuming
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No its one set of code using one type of screw head, your proposing to change the type of head not the function.
[15:39] <M0RJX> http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/04/10/the-only-correct-indent-style/ I like this article
[15:40] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-M, Have a read of verion 1.6 of the code it's a mish mash of styles
[15:41] <M0RJX> In daveake's own words the code was cobbled together from varouls libraries on the internet
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> But what additional functionanlity are you going to be adding in your fork ?
[15:42] <M0RJX> Aoto discover of payloads in flight even if they didn't use the calling chanel. Integration with auto totate antennas to lock on the target payload automatically
[15:43] <M0RJX> rotate
[15:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Well implement that in your style and see who follows your fork.
[15:44] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-M, I said this earlier
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> First I've seen of any new functionality this afternoon ?
[16:02] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-M, Thats because we've been deciding on coding styles
[16:06] <M0RJX> daveake, K&R it liiks alot nicer and has functions like you like it :-)
[16:06] <M0RJX> dbrooke, You up for that too?
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[16:13] <dbrooke> I use mostly K&R myself so if there is to be one consistent style then that one is fine by me (and indent has a -kr switch IIRC)
[16:13] <fsphil> why stick to someone elses standard :)
[16:14] <fsphil> just use daveake's
[16:14] <M0RJX> fsphil, there isn't a standard as the code came from all over the place
[16:15] <M0RJX> fsphil, see version 1.6
[16:15] <dbrooke> fsphil: see my original comment re folowing what already exists, but I'm not sure what the current codebase actually is using
[16:16] <M0RJX> I'm goign to go with K&R then and if people want the changes they can merge them and if they don't well thats fine too :-)
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[16:19] <M0RJX> This time I will be forking and possibly going off in a new direction anyway. I'm also adding support for a new RF chip which I plan to use in up coming launches too.
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[16:29] <M0RJX> Any update on barc 4?
[16:35] <AndyEsser> should we start a debate of Tabs vs Spaces?
[16:35] <AndyEsser> and if spaces, how many?
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[16:52] <dbrooke> AndyEsser: 0.65 TABs
[16:52] <Ian_> No, convert tabs to spaces.
[16:52] <Ian_> 2 or 4
[16:53] <Ian_> It seems that holidays aren't all that they are cracked up to be
[16:55] Action: mfa298 preferes tabs, then set ts= allows you to change to personal preference.
[16:55] <AndyEsser> tabs for me
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[17:04] <fsphil> yeah same
[17:04] <fsphil> and even on lines with no code
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[17:06] <dbrooke> just program in http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/tutorial.html
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[17:07] <murb> dbrooke: do you get commission paid in beer?
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[17:07] <AndyEsser> :P
[17:08] <dbrooke> you can program in that and C in the same file and have a different result depending on the compiler you use
[17:08] <dbrooke> murb: not that I know of, but I wouldn't say no
[17:09] <murb> dbrooke: you should ask next time edwin is around :)
[17:09] <dbrooke> I did get a bit of leftover single malt last time but I don't think it was commision
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