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[02:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0313B_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=13B_chase
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[03:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[07:59] <raptor2> Hello All
[08:00] <raptor2> Just wondering if anyone has heard from a balloon launch yesterday at 434.537mhz with the call sign RAPTOR2
[08:01] <mfa298> the best way to get help rom people tracking a baloon launch is to tell us before hand
[08:07] <raptor2> I had created the doc on habhub but the launch was pushed out a couple of times
[08:07] <raptor2> thanks anyway
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[08:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Did you complete a Flight doc can only see a Payload Doc??
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[08:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !FLIGHTS
[08:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[08:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Current flights: 03stratoBeagle 2016 10(d815), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[08:25] <raptor2> i did both docs
[08:25] <raptor2> i tested habhub before and it worked
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[08:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-P28 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P28
[08:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes but the flight doc was never approved ? I have just checked in #habhub it was never approved
[08:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Flight RAPTOR2 (213d, not approved, 1 payload)
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to request that a Flight doc be approved in #habhub, an admin will then check that it all works and teleetr has been received and then approves it. Without that check too many requests were failing.
[08:30] <raptor2> ok. approved by whom?
[08:30] <raptor2> i had caa flight approval
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The Admins in #HABHUB
[08:30] <raptor2> ahh ok
[08:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That is merely to ensure that the UKHAS system will record your data for you reliabaly
[08:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its only the Flight Doc that needs approval, the Payloads will work as soon as they are generated.
[08:32] <raptor2> ok thanks
[08:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Instructions are on the page http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[08:35] <mfa298> the caa and habhub are totally independant of each other, you need approval from the caa to fly, and the flight doc needs to be approved on habhub for flight to appear on the calendar and in dl-fldigi
[08:35] <mfa298> you should also announce on the mailing list if you want help with tracking it.
[08:36] <mfa298> it also looks like you've not uploaded any data from your payload in over two weeks (Payload parse status: RAPTOR2 (3f4e, 17 days ago))
[08:38] <raptor2> yes, once I had the payload generated and tested, i was working on all the other equipment.
[08:39] <raptor2> on the day we had no internet where we launched from and once launched it was communicating for a while before we lost it
[08:39] <mfa298> so you didn't upload data from it yesterday when you flew it
[08:40] <raptor2> we tried
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes can often be the case, the approval and a message on the mailing lists means that it appears on the Calendar and others who read the mailing list will know about the flight which adds to the number of people able to track the flight.
[08:41] <raptor2> we are from ireland and are on data roaming so most of us did not have internet access
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Understand
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[08:54] <mfa298> what antenna did you have on the payload ?
[08:56] <raptor2> had a manufactured antenna for the ham radio range. whip type
[08:56] <mfa298> on the payload as well ?
[08:56] <raptor2> yes
[08:57] <mfa298> if it was a small rubber duck type antenna some of those have been found to be pretty poor. Was that soemthign that was recommended to you ?
[08:58] <mfa298> and if it was using an SMA connector you need to be careful as some antennas come with a RP-SMA connector on them rather than SMA which means the antenna isn't actually connected to the transmitter
[08:58] <raptor2> we tested a few homemade aerials but got the best range from the manufactured one
[08:58] <mfa298> !wiki payload_antenna
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03payload_antenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi?s[]=payload&amp;s[]=antenna
[08:59] <mfa298> most people use something along the lines of the first link above
[09:00] <raptor2> it was connected directly to the lora board on the pi and we received signal for a good 25mins before we lost it
[09:00] <mfa298> what setup did you have on the ground ? (receiver and antenna ?)
[09:01] <raptor2> we had just the whip aerial on top of the rented car
[09:01] <raptor2> attached to the laptop with a sdr dongle
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[09:03] <mfa298> that sort of setup ought to do pretty well. Might depends a bit on which sdr dongle you've got, some are better than others.
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[09:04] <raptor2> indeed.
[09:06] <mfa298> I get the feeling there's probably soemthign fairly obvious that was the issue, but as no one knew abotu the flgiht to be able to help track it's much harder to determine what was wrong.
[09:07] <mfa298> people tracking from home tend to have an idea of what they should be able to pick up so get an idea of issues with the payload sending data.
[09:08] <Upu> yop
[09:08] <Upu> yo raptor2
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[09:09] <Upu> Was this a PITS boafrd and did you get it from BARC/Sent Into Space ?
[09:09] <raptor2> yes. its a pity it is not allowed to launch from ireland. we could have had a proper base station... i think next time i will need to bring a full wave antenna with me
[09:09] <Upu> out of interest how much tuition did they give you ?
[09:09] <Upu> and was there another group who launched at the same time ?
[09:09] <raptor2> all self taught
[09:10] <raptor2> no. just our group that time
[09:10] <Upu> Was Eleanor you or part of your group ?
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[09:12] <Upu> Just trying to ascertain if two balloons have been lost this weekend or just one
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA2UHQ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA2UHQ_chase
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[09:27] <daveake> Raptor2: I'm a bit confused. You said you had the aerial connected to the lora board on the Pi, and you used an SDR on the ground?
[09:27] <Raptor2> correct
[09:28] <daveake> So what software did you use to decode?
[09:29] <Raptor2> the aerial had the same connector as the pi. so i plugged it direct in and had the aerial protruding from the base of the unit
[09:29] <Raptor2> sdr sharp and the fl-digi
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[09:30] <daveake> And on the Pi, you had a Pits board and a lora board?
[09:30] <Raptor2> correct
[09:31] <daveake> And the you had a single UHF aerial connected to the lora board?
[09:31] <daveake> And just a gps aerial connected to the pits board?
[09:31] <Raptor2> yes. we had signal and were receiving telemetry
[09:32] <Raptor2> yes the supplied gps aerial
[09:32] <daveake> Ok. Well I should explain ...
[09:32] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: You should add this to the FAQ ;-)
[09:33] <daveake> Pits has an RTTY transmitter. The signal from the guts to the small socket next to the gps socket. You've told me that no aerial was connected to this.
[09:33] <daveake> S/guts/goes/
[09:34] <daveake> LoRa is separate and this has an aerial
[09:34] <Raptor2> its connected to the lora board
[09:35] <daveake> On the ground you had no lora receiver
[09:35] <daveake> So you were listening to a transmitter that had no aerial
[09:36] <daveake> For lora you need a lora receiver, not an sdr
[09:36] <Raptor2> , we were recieving signal from 6km height at one point. then the lora, and the spot stopped transmitting
[09:37] <daveake> What lora receiver?
[09:37] <Upu> Was Eleanor you or part of your group ?
[09:37] <Raptor2> yes
[09:38] <Raptor2> sdr on a laptop
[09:38] <daveake> That is NOT a lora receiver
[09:38] <daveake> Not using fldigi anyway
[09:39] <daveake> sentintospace obviously didn't explain what they sold to you
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[09:39] <Raptor2> ok
[09:40] <daveake> Freshly I'm surprised it worked to 6km
[09:40] <daveake> Frankly
[09:40] <Raptor2> :-)
[09:41] <daveake> I'm afk now if someone else fancies continuing the explanation please go ahead :-)
[09:41] <daveake> And someone shoot sis
[09:41] <Raptor2> thanks
[09:46] <Upu> did you have a NOTAM ?
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[09:46] <Raptor2> yes
[09:47] <Upu> ok
[09:47] <PE2BZ> Running on a Pi with complete PITS software ? Any chance that LoRa is tx ´in on a default frequency ?
[09:47] <Upu> I'll speak to BARC on Monday, not really fair on you
[09:49] <Raptor2> i changed the freq to 434.550 but it recieves on 434.537
[09:49] <PE2BZ> That was the NTX on RTTY I assume ?
[09:49] <Raptor2> rtty
[09:50] <PE2BZ> But connected to a PI with PITS software installed it does start the tracker by default on bootup. Any chance the LoRa is TX ing ?
[09:51] <Raptor2> our plane leaves this evening so we only have a few hours now to try find it.
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you have a link to the last prediction run ?
[09:51] <Raptor2> it transmitts on startup and it ran on testing for 18hrs but that time has elapsed now
[09:52] <Raptor2> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=12&qm=1_day&mc=52.75379,-0.90942
[09:53] <Raptor2> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=fee5e938a418050e1ad508e478ea31f5298570b9
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No the prediction not the tracker site http://predict.habhub.org/ if you have a link from a previous run then we can see where it was predicted to go
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[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right
[09:54] <Raptor2> it says it should land somewhere near seagrave
[09:54] <PE2BZ> You did label your payload with phone number and so on ?
[09:55] <Raptor2> 100%
[09:55] <PE2BZ> It´s not all lost then :-) Keep faith !
[09:56] <Raptor2> ya fact :)
[09:57] <PE2BZ> You know how a LoRa signal looks in the waterfall ?
[09:58] <craag> That's a prediction for a launch last night Raptor2
[09:58] <craag> do you have any stored that you did before launch?
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[10:00] <PE2BZ> more than 20 kHz wide , 10 times as wide as the RTTY signal
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[10:07] <Raptor2> ya one of the lads knows alright and this is our second launch so know what we are looking for
[10:08] <PE2BZ> Good luck, take care !
[10:08] <Raptor2> cheers :)
[10:08] <Raptor2> ya craag. stored what?
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Predictions the one you posted was for last night the 8th
[10:10] <craag> predictions done for the actual time you launched?
[10:12] <Raptor2> gimme a min to see
[10:17] <Raptor2> the only i currently have is for 2 hours after launch. let me look further to see if i can get one for when we launched at around half past three
[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sp9uob_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sp9uob_chase
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Was the launch Saturday or Friday ?
[10:24] <Raptor2> Sat
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right, so there are TWO lost balloons one was launched Friday afternoon and was instantly lost, then yours as well on Saturday hence the confusion.
[10:25] <Raptor2> ah right :)
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup this appeared on Friday 7th Oct [17:21] balloon91_ (50c0ddf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.192.221.248) joined #highaltitude.
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> [17:21] <balloon91_> hi everyone, I was wondering if someone could help us, we have lost signal with a balloon we launched today over the peak district, was on frequency 434.45 but was picking up a little low around 434.100, is anyone able to listen in for us?
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[10:30] <gonzo_> that's a long way low
[10:36] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: any advice about LCARS font size? http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/20161009_122805.jpg
[10:39] <Raptor2> well lads thanks for all the advice. we are heading off. its in the hands of the gods now :)
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Come and join us on here before another flight at least that way there will be more listners aware of a flight, but a mailing list posting also helps!
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[10:57] <Darkside> SP9UOB-Tom_: i think daveake is currently vising museums in germany
[10:57] <Darkside> so he might not answer for a bit
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[11:09] <Laurenceb_> anyone know if its possible to solder Fecralloy/Kanthal ?
[11:10] <Laurenceb_> - resistance wire
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nichrome resistance wire is VERY difficult to solder normally welded.
[11:14] <Laurenceb_> yeah this isn't nichrome
[11:14] <Laurenceb_> I've soldered Nichrome with the right flux - stuff I usually use for 304 stainless
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[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes is that an acidic flux that needs to be cleaned off afterwards ?
[11:15] <Laurenceb_> yup, forget the brand atm
[11:15] <Laurenceb_> but I'm worried that Kanthal will be even worse due to the Al content
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can you not plan to crimp it or screws at worst ?
[11:17] <Laurenceb_> well there is mechanical load on it
[11:17] <Laurenceb_> I thought soldering might be more reliable
[11:18] <Laurenceb_> maybe I'll just have to order some and see how well this works...
[11:19] <Vaizki> wirewrap it and epoxy into place?
[11:20] <Laurenceb_> heh the thought had crossed my mind
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[11:27] <Vaizki> just a random idea.. :)
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9PD - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9PD
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> ok solved my wire problem
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> just use Constantan
[13:01] <Ian_> A bit of an assumption regarding the individual and collective knowledge base of the group perhaps [11:07] <Raptor2> ya one of the lads knows alright and this is our second launch so know what we are looking for
[13:02] <Ian_> Patently not and a previous launch would almost certainly have been RTTY and not LoRa
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[13:04] <Ian_> Perhaps the sales patter was to the effect that the signal from this one will go further. Also LoRa flights need better pre-flight info regarding their presence and LoRa mode as the receiver base is smaller than for RTTY etc. at present
[13:06] <Ian_> Raptor - Shot off like a gun, flew like a bird and crashed like a car :)
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[13:35] <Laurenceb_> Spacex AMOS-6 investigation sounds interesting
[13:35] <PE2BZ> Raptor phone home.... But I have no pennies :-(
[13:35] <Laurenceb_> looks like they may have turned their helium system into a stirling engine
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Spacex revealed today that due to uninformed comments from the internet, they worked out why their rocket blew up.
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[14:00] <SpeedEvil> it would - if not best case (someone shot the rocket) be nearly best case, as it could be a $1000 part on the erector, or even $0 maybe.
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3HXN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3HXN-11
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[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB1KVR after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
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[15:41] <W0JW> #AMSAT
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[16:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-11
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[16:48] <daveake> SP9UOB-Tom_: LCARS uses the font which you need to install. I'll add a link to the readme
[16:49] <daveake> Er, Dosis font
[16:55] <PE2BZ> Anyone supposed to be on air rtty 434.645 atm ?
[16:55] <PE2BZ> ,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2,Z$3Y2
[16:56] <PE2BZ> switching between 50 bd and 300 bd
[16:58] <PE2BZ> Switched off now.
[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[17:07] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: thanks
[17:13] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: it needs to be ttf font ?
[17:14] <SP9UOB-Tom_> lcars.py:font = QFont()
[17:14] <SP9UOB-Tom_> lcars.py:font.setFamily("Swiss911 UCm BT")
[17:14] <SP9UOB-Tom_> lcars.py:font.setPointSize(20)
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[17:16] <Steve__> hello
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[17:27] <daveake> Ah sorry Swiss, not Dosis (another project)
[17:28] <daveake> I guess any format that works on raspbian, but the ones I used aren't ttf
[17:38] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: where to get it from? And where to put :) ?
[17:40] <PE2BZ> Hello Steve
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RAPTOR2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RAPTOR2_chase
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[18:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sp9uob_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sp9uob_chase
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[18:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7SSH - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7SSH
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[18:30] <daveake> SP9UOB-Tom_: I'll send them tomorrow when I'm home. They are free on the web but I don't have a link right now.
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[18:38] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: ok, thanks.
[18:39] <daveake> http://www.lcarscom.net/LCARS%20Fonts.zip
[18:40] <daveake> I think that's the one
[18:40] <SP9UOB-Tom_> wget -c -nd -Y off http://www.lcarscom.net/LCARS%20Fonts.zip
[18:40] <SP9UOB-Tom_> oops :-) Wrong window ;-)
[18:41] <daveake> Lol
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: does gpsd client needs to be enabled? It looks like Im on your property ight now ;-)
[18:51] <daveake> Lol yes
[18:51] <daveake> I should remove that default :-)
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[18:57] <SP9UOB-Tom_> Geez... python looks... strange ;-)
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[19:26] <zyp> yeah, that kept me from learning it for a couple of years or so
[19:27] <zyp> afterwards I realized that's a really dumb reason to discount it
[19:28] <Hes> Hey, what's the protocol used by some ballons to encode position/coordinates in WSPR?
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s4.html#protocol
[19:30] <SP9UOB-Tom_> hi Mike :-)
[19:31] <Hes> Bob Bruninga is getting excited, proposes his own position encoding: http://aprs.org/aprs-wspr.html
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[19:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> Hi tomasz
[19:35] <russss> what in god's name, satellite downlink via outernet
[19:35] <russss> such latency
[19:37] <Hes> yep, and downlink only, not a greatly useful combination
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[19:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
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[19:59] <SP9UOB-Tom_> daveake: the dl-fldigi line parser is hardcoded? Right?
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[20:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-10 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-10
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[21:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-12 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
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[23:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IK8SUT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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