highaltitude.log.20161007

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[00:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[00:43] <NG2Q-5> hi folks, got a flight going up tomorrow, would anyone mind authorising the documentation for me?
[00:43] <NG2Q-5> 067e6226a968656c591dd5695d37da6e
[00:44] <NG2Q-5> 067e6226a968656c591dd5695d3e3028
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[01:03] <Ian_> Go to #habhub and post the flight document id there, after testing the payload document. You can check it's parsing in the Logtail
[01:04] <Ian_> Pretty much UK is in bed by now Darkside in Auz may be able to help you. is this an APRS flight?
[01:05] <Ian_> or also using UKHAS format?
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[02:14] <ALMA-3> goodmorning
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[02:34] <ALMA-3> goodmorning
[02:35] <ALMA-3> any idea how to add the chase car to the habitat tracking?
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[03:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMA-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALMA-3
[03:36] <pb0ahx> goeden morgen ALMA-3
[03:39] Nick change: DJ0FET -> DJ0FET_
[04:00] <pb0ahx> $$$$$ALMA-3,143,03:59:11,52.028890,5.372628,2793,7,26,2868,00,AT*F2CF
[04:00] <pb0ahx> $$$$$ALMA-3,144,03:59:26,52.028506,5.370667,2844,7,26,2867,00,FIRST*BAFF
[04:00] <pb0ahx> $$$$$ALMA-3,145,03:59:41,52.027939,5.367425,2938,7,26,2868,00,FLASH*155B
[04:00] <pb0ahx> nice text insite
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[04:06] <ALMA-3> stress part is over
[04:09] <pb0ahx> veel suc6 ALMA-3
[04:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2016/20161006-fun-with-mom-mcc.html
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[04:13] <DutchMillbt> Goodmorning early birds
[04:14] <ALMA-3> Al well so far
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[04:15] <ALMA-3> any idea how we can add the chase car to the habitat map?
[04:15] <ALMA-3> We're now on A12 near driebergen
[04:17] <DutchMillbt> Yep download the app HAB tracker from the play store
[04:19] <ALMA-3> is there one for ios?
[04:20] <DutchMillbt> Lets
[04:20] <DutchMillbt> N
[04:20] <DutchMillbt> Dat weet ik niet zeker...kijk even....
[04:22] <ALMA-3> I'm pretty sure we had something like that for ALMA-2 but that was 2 years ago
[04:27] <DutchMillbt> I'm offline for 15 mins ...
[04:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DutchMillbt_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DutchMillbt_chase
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[04:44] <DutchMillbt> ALMA-3 ...is het gelukt om de app te vinden?2
[04:44] <PE2BZ> good morning. Good luck !
[04:45] <DutchMillbt> Morning Ben...I'm in the bus :
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[04:48] <DutchMillbt> ..no chase
[04:50] <PE2BZ> GM Klaas. Had om 6 uur de start mee willen maken maar om 02:30 had het werk me wakker gebeld. Mag nu 8 slaapuren boeken maar heb om 9 uur een LoRa IOT overleg dus slapen we vanavond maar weer.
[04:51] <DutchMillbt> Yep ... koffie en gaan ..
[04:53] <DutchMillbt> Ben onderweg naar het qrl in Gorinchem dus alles op remote vandaag..
[04:55] <DutchMillbt> Heeft het ALMA team nog Hulp nodig om de chase car op de kaart te krijgen ?
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[04:59] <ALMA-3> De IOS app bestaat niet meer dus dat gaat niet lukken
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[05:02] <DutchMillbt> ALMA het kan eenvoudiger..Je kan de chase functie in de habhub tracker aan zetten...zit onder de button met het autootje :-)
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[05:03] <DutchMillbt> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=10&qm=1_hour&mc=51.88857,4.95829&f=ALMA-3
[05:05] <Vaizki> Can we speak something we all ubderdtsbd
[05:05] <Vaizki> Like Finnish
[05:06] <Vaizki> Or coffee
[05:06] <DutchMillbt> Si
[05:06] <Vaizki> Gracias
[05:06] <ALMA-3> I don't see a chase car icon in that page
[05:07] <Vaizki> it shows up on mobile devices only
[05:09] <ALMA-3> We'r right under ALMA-3 now
[05:09] <Vaizki> https://imgur.com/a/mdQVJ
[05:10] <ALMA-3> Which means worst signal for us
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[05:11] <DutchMillbt> No worries we pointed the yagi's to you:-)
[05:11] <Vaizki> if you are on a laptop and chrome, just tuen on Developer mode, then click the Phone/Tablet Icon in the developer window toolbar to simulate a phone
[05:11] <Vaizki> and reload the tracker page
[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ALMAchase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ALMAchase
[05:12] <ALMA-3> :-)
[05:12] <Vaizki> :)
[05:13] <ALMA-3> My decoding looks like this $$$$$ALMA-3,446~K+##+TICA4,05:12871,2712,00,FOR*3482.76
[05:14] <ALMA-3> Sunrise in 5 minutes for ALMA at 20 km
[05:14] <ALMA-3> half hour later for us down here
[05:16] <Vaizki> I am sitting with coffee in the sunshine .. but it's +3 so going inside
[05:22] <PE2BZ> ALMA-3 can you choose ¨show desktop version¨ or ¨show mobile version¨ in your browser ?
[05:23] <PE2BZ> On the Ipad with Chrome I can say ¨show desktop version¨ and the the chase car appeared last time I tried
[05:24] <ALMA-3> The chase is from website on phone, but that is flakey
[05:24] <ALMA-3> laptop doesnt have it
[05:24] <Vaizki> it does when you do what I suggested :)
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[05:25] <Vaizki> Open developer mode, turn on phone/tablet emulation
[05:25] <ALMA-3> I have Safari now
[05:26] <Vaizki> ah. Balloon hunt safari :)
[05:29] <ALMA-3> Where would the "show mobile version" button be? I have started Chrome now as well
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[05:45] <Vaizki> ALMA-3: on a mac? Cmd-Alt-I (like India) to open developer mode. Then Cmd-Shift-M to go into Device Mode (mobile)
[05:47] <Vaizki> let me see if it could be activated more easily as well...
[05:47] <Rebounder> morning!
[05:49] <ALMA-3> phone chase seems to work when I disable the lock screen
[05:49] <ALMA-3> we're driving now again. almost burst
[05:50] <Vaizki> ok so there is a huuuuge regexp to find out if you are mobile or not.. but no way to overide it on URL .. :(
[05:53] <Vaizki> if(navigator.geolocation){if(is_mobile&&!wvar.enabled){$(".chasecar").show()} ... etc.. I don't know why it has to be a mobile device to be a chase car, as long as there is geolocation..
[05:53] <Vaizki> but good luck with the chase!
[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03almachasephone - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=almachasephone
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[06:04] <Rebounder> still going up up up ! :)
[06:04] <ALMA-3> amazing for 3yr old balloon
[06:05] <ALMA-3> maybe older
[06:05] <ALMA-3> I don't like the descent trajectory though, straight over a city
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[06:09] <Rebounder> ALMA-3: you the 's--***** town?
[06:09] <Rebounder> <insert> mean
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[06:10] <Rebounder> poff
[06:10] <ALMA-3> burst
[06:12] <Vaizki> -40m/s.. wheeeeee
[06:13] <Vaizki> oh ok was just a fluke it seems :)
[06:14] <DutchMillbt> ALMA -3 what is your setup, just a radio-tracker?
[06:15] <Rebounder> happy cahsing!! :)
[06:15] <ALMA-3> high on adrenaline now
[06:16] <ALMA-3> radio tracker + backup over gsm. but the backup i sunreliable
[06:16] <ALMA-3> goproo on board with photo every 2 s
[06:16] <ALMA-3> 15GB card + 2200mAh extra battery for that
[06:16] <ALMA-3> 16GB
[06:17] <ALMA-3> the backup is just a commerical thingy to track expensive cars and old people
[06:19] <Vaizki> in the predicted landing area there are 2 motorways, one railroad and a 150kV powerline :O
[06:19] <Vaizki> let's hope predictor is wrong
[06:19] <ALMA-3> we're a bit faster than expected, but chute is working
[06:20] <ALMA-3> first time we lost the chute
[06:20] <ALMA-3> measured -400m/s at some point
[06:25] <Vaizki> https://i.imgur.com/FaDkKoa.png
[06:25] <Vaizki> orange line is 150kV powerline
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[06:26] <ALMA-3> I prefer that it makes the turn to miss the airport Volkel
[06:27] <Vaizki> yea airports are bad
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[06:28] <ALMA-3> Gooed, the turn is happening now
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[06:29] <Vaizki> the predictor is very good
[06:30] <Vaizki> -7m/s.. it's going to come down real slow
[06:31] <ALMA-3> First packet decoded by our receiver again!
[06:31] <Vaizki> you are going on the wrong road..
[06:31] <Vaizki> get on the N65 to Tilburg?
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[06:36] <ALMA-3> Morning traffic
[06:37] <Vaizki> -3m/s
[06:37] <Vaizki> like a feather
[06:39] <ALMA-3> 200m higher than alma-1 and 2.2 higher than alma-3
[06:40] <ALMA-3> 2.2km
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[06:44] <ALMA-3> We missed U21947
[06:44] <ALMA-3> EasyJEt
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[06:51] <Vaizki> that payload is going to go a loooooong way west
[06:53] <Ron_g8fjg> Pe2bz morning Ben. conditions up a bit today rx'd 4 crc 255 byte packets in a row,,,still rx'ing alma way beyond blue line
[06:53] <ALMA-3> we'll see
[06:54] <Vaizki> where are you? I hope not where the tracker shows you :)
[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AVA after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AVA
[06:55] <ALMA-3> Pretty good signal now from the car
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[07:02] <ALMA-3> ios safari is doing weird things with gps
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[07:20] <ALMA-3> On a58 now between Tilburg and Breda
[07:21] <ALMA-3> Hope we get a good view of it flying by
[07:24] <Vaizki> very much possible.. have you contacted the airport which is right on the landing path?
[07:24] <Vaizki> 200m from you...
[07:25] <Vaizki> is that a military airport :O
[07:25] <Vaizki> Gilze-Rijen Air Base (Dutch: Vliegbasis Gilze-Rijen, IATA: GLZ, ICAO: EHGR) is a military airbase in the Netherlands located between the cities of Breda and Tilburg, in the Noord-Brabant province. It is mainly, but not exclusively used as a base for attack helicopters.
[07:26] <Vaizki> I suggest you ring them up..
[07:30] <Vaizki> +31 161 296 911
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[07:48] <Vaizki> so you're above a military helicopter base at 1km... I'm sure some people are running around there.. :P
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[07:51] <Vaizki> well looks like an easy recovery now that you didn't get shot down, good hunting
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[07:56] <Vaizki> nice 2 receivers at under 300m...
[07:56] <ALMA-3> We have visual!
[07:56] <Vaizki> cool
[07:56] <Vaizki> grab it through the sunroof
[07:57] <Vaizki> hehe tracking at 53m...
[07:58] <ALMA-3> landed. we go hunt
[07:58] <Vaizki> well that looks easy, last location from height of 9m... nice :)
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[07:59] <pb0ahx> ALMA-3, team mni tnx was a good flight for me
[08:02] <ALMA-3> in a tree
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[09:01] <AndyEsser> morning
[09:01] <AndyEsser> I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the SD card with my Pi Zero doesn't have an image on it :)
[09:02] <craag> if it came with it then it might have NOOBS on it
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[09:02] <craag> but jsut reflash it to raspbian
[09:02] <AndyEsser> yea.... problem is finding something that the card will fit in :)
[09:03] <mfa298> and if it's going in a box on the wall you probably want raspbian lite rather than full raspbian.
[09:03] <AndyEsser> need to go to PC World/Maplin (sssh) for a powered USB hub sometime today anyway
[09:03] <AndyEsser> mfa298: does that strip out the X Server stuff and other fluff?
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[09:07] <mfa298> lite, has non of the X server bits or learning stuff which makes is a much smaller image to download and burn
[09:08] <mfa298> and less running on start up
[09:10] <AndyEsser> cool, assumed as much :)
[09:10] <AndyEsser> will need to find a USB keyboard somewhere as well....
[09:11] <craag> eh, just ssh into it
[09:12] <AndyEsser> And get it on the wifi how?
[09:13] <craag> so if you want to do wifi then I think you can configure it on the sdcard (in the boot partition)
[09:13] <craag> easiest thing is just to plug in a cable though
[09:13] <AndyEsser> no network port :P
[09:13] <AndyEsser> so will get it setup with monitor + keyboard, onto the wifi
[09:13] Nick change: DrLuke -> DrLuke__
[09:13] <AndyEsser> and then do the rest via SSH
[09:13] <craag> you unconveniently modern person
[09:13] Nick change: DrLuke__ -> DrLuke
[09:13] <craag> :P
[09:13] <AndyEsser> sorry :P
[09:14] <AndyEsser> then to work out how to use an SDR on linux ;)
[09:15] <mfa298> I think you can stick a wpa_supplicant.conf file on the SD fat parttion and it'll get copied over on boot
[09:15] <mfa298> you could always ditchthe keyboard/mouse/monitor and use the uart (assuming that still works and is enabled on the zero)
[09:16] <AndyEsser> that requires me finding USB->Serial adapter and some wire :P
[09:16] <AndyEsser> it's all good
[09:16] <AndyEsser> manual config first is what I'm used to
[09:18] <AndyEsser> then I'll go and find a nice box :)
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[09:37] <AndyEsser> Hmm... going to assume that the Pi Zero wont' have enough power to drive a hub + airspy on its own
[09:43] <Darkside> yeeeah probably not
[09:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> 160mA
[09:46] <AndyEsser> and the card does have NOOBS on apparently - but without a KB+Mouse - I can't do much atm ;)
[09:47] <AndyEsser> will find a powered USB hub that takes a micro-usb cable, then get one of those USB charging packs, and plug them both into that, then a power cable into that
[09:47] <AndyEsser> voila
[09:48] <fsphil> viola
[09:49] <gonzo_> that's a small violin?
[09:51] <fsphil> larger I think
[10:00] <mfa298> I'm not sure there's much power regulation on the Zero so if you plug in a powerful enough PSU you can probably have an unpowered hub
[10:03] <AndyEsser> that sounds a bit... iffy :P
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[10:07] <Vaizki> all this so you can avoid buying a raspi3? :)
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[10:07] <mfa298> there was a USB hub on a PCB for the Rev 1.2 (no camera) that looked interesting, it used the test pads to connect
[10:08] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: I'll get a Raspi3 at some point as well, but wanted to check out the Zero
[10:08] <AndyEsser> I didn't specifically buy the Pi Zero and Airspy at the same time to work together
[10:08] <AndyEsser> but as my PC is refusing to connect to the network anymore at home, I thought I might as well try and use the Pi Zero as my base station
[10:09] <mfa298> I've not seen a huge use for the zero yet, lack of any network seems a bit limiting. (apart from as a balloon payload)
[10:10] <mfa298> 3A when it comes out and if it has wifi could be an interesting option for various home jobs.
[10:11] <AndyEsser> if this setup works ok, can imagine me using the GPIO and things for switching relays to different antennas
[10:13] <AndyEsser> just tested the Airspy on my surface, seems to work ok
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[10:13] <AndyEsser> should take it upstairs and plug it into my actual antenna and see what the noise floor it
[10:14] <mfa298> zero usb hub https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-hats/products/zero4u-4-port-usb-hub-for-raspberry-pi-zero
[10:15] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, to set gain initially, usually a good idea to increase it until the noise floor comes up just a bit
[10:15] <Vaizki> that way you know you're looking at the rf noise floor and not some other noise floor :)
[10:16] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: ta
[10:16] <AndyEsser> just running SDR Console, has it at -110dBm
[10:17] <AndyEsser> Vaizki:
[10:17] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: so in SDR Console, I have Gain Levels 0-21
[10:17] <AndyEsser> was previously on 10, and I could hear the Hawarden ATIS signal
[10:18] <AndyEsser> if I set it to zero, noise floor goes to -120dBM and I can't hear the signal
[10:18] <AndyEsser> stepping up, slowly moves the noise floor up
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[10:22] <AndyEsser> anyway,
[10:23] <AndyEsser> enough of that noise
[10:43] <AndyEsser> mfa298: ta - sorry only just seen the link
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[10:44] <mfa298> probably only of interest if you permanently want >1 usb device on the zero
[10:46] <AndyEsser> which I will do
[10:46] <AndyEsser> Wifi + Airspy
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[10:47] <ALMA-3> Sorry for the radio silence. As you can see on facebook we recovered the payload rather quickly
[10:47] <ALMA-3> Thanks a million for all the trackers here
[10:47] <ALMA-3> We have thousands of pictures to evaluate
[10:47] <AndyEsser> good luck with that :)
[10:47] <AndyEsser> question to those that have used them - what comes out the RX pin of an NRX2?
[10:48] <AndyEsser> is it a voltage indicating where the strongest signal is? (ie inverse of the NTX?)
[10:48] <ALMA-3> But first crash ourselves, because we didn't have much sleep last night
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[10:48] <ALMA-3> I will update more photos later today and next few days
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[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:15] <daveake> AndyEsser: yes
[11:16] <AndyEsser> daveake: ta
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[12:08] <Ian_> https://thepihut.com/products/7-port-usb-hub-for-the-raspberry-pi
[12:09] <Ian_> Not as convenient as the 4port mentioned earlier, but a convenient option to have around perhaps.
[12:10] <Ian_> I bought a power bank and although 50000mAh like it's predecessor it patently couldn't supply the current for a Pi3 and HDMIPi
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[13:07] <SpeedEvil> https://www.ventusky.com/?p=51.5;-0.1;4&l=wind
[13:08] <fsphil> that looks familiar
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[13:19] <Vaizki> looking good in Florida..
[13:20] <Vaizki> them particles be spinning mighty fast
[13:20] <fsphil> goes up quite a way too
[13:20] <Vaizki> yea I'm flying over atlanta sunday morning
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[13:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M3WVB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M3WVB
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI4UTU-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI4UTU-2
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[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NG2Q-5 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NG2Q-5
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[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
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[14:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[14:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5LCY-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5LCY-7
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[15:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S-19 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-19
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[15:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[16:51] <Rebounder>
[16:51] <Rebounder> https://www.tindie.com/products/xorbit/lifepo4weredpi/?utm_source=Tindie+Community&utm_campaign=f6cd55b439-FeaturedProduct_100616&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_bb799798bb-f6cd55b439-86919617&mc_cid=f6cd55b439&mc_eid=be1720de32
[16:51] <Rebounder>
[16:53] <Vaizki> 550mAh..? Seems small
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[17:20] <PE2BZ> How can I check what is going on if ssdv.habhub.org shows ¨received xx net packets ¨ where XX is a number, but does not show the new image ?
[17:21] <PE2BZ> The imgage is different, the number of packets is different but it does not show up
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[17:21] <balloon91_> hi everyone, I was wondering if someone could help us, we have lost signal with a balloon we launched today over the peak district, was on frequency 434.45 but was picking up a little low around 434.100, is anyone able to listen in for us? [18:16] <Ian_> Give us some details. What is the callsign, for example? Frequency is fine, RTTY, Contestia, Baudspeed etc., etc.
[17:21] <balloon91_> hi everyone, I was wondering if someone could help us, we have lost signal with a balloon we launched today over the peak district, was on frequency 434.45 but was picking up a little low around 434.100, is anyone able to listen in for us?
[17:21] <balloon91_> launched today at 13.30
[17:22] <PE2BZ> balloon91_ ¨the peak district¨ ? which continent / country ?
[17:22] <balloon91_> england
[17:22] <PE2BZ> and was 434.100 the frequency it was actually received on ?
[17:24] <Ian_> Nice picture of the cloud. The a/c made the balance good.
[17:24] <PE2BZ> My own cloud :-)
[17:25] <balloon91_> yeah it was around that
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[17:25] <balloon91_> please let me know if you can hear anything
[17:27] <PE2BZ> I live on the westcoast of Holland, but no rtty or alike between 434.0 and 434.500
[17:28] <balloon91_> is there anything a little below 434.0?
[17:29] <PE2BZ> thats the ISM band over here, crowded with temp sensors smart controls and so on. Would not receive anything close to the UK on that band over here sorry
[17:30] <PE2BZ> what was the prediction ?
[17:31] <PE2BZ> was it transmitting rtty by the way ?
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[17:34] <balloon91_> you won't be able to hear anything now but did anyone hear anything around 1-2pm? it was predicted to land near snake road
[17:35] <PE2BZ> but was it rtty or other modulation ?
[17:36] <Ian_> With an up/down flight launched at 1330A, it's going to be down now, possibly in Wales and the sun is well down.
[17:36] <Ian_> The winds today were fairly brisk so it seems that it will have travelled quite some way.
[17:37] <Ian_> What was the predicted altitude? Your best bet is to figure out where it was likely to land and get some high point above it and sweep, probably tomorrow. What was the projected battery life on the GPS/tx?
[17:38] <PE2BZ> But I get no info at all about the modulation or last position. Could it be floating ?
[17:38] <Ian_> That's what UKHAS is about. You tell people about your flights and have them engaged at an early stage. Prior planning etc.
[17:38] <PE2BZ> I have a frequency drifting mark space signal in direction UK at 433.441
[17:39] Action: PE2BZ loves UKHAS
[17:39] <Ian_> !wiki how to lose your balloon
[17:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: No results for your query
[17:40] <balloon91_> predicted alititude was 28km
[17:44] <PE2BZ> But could you follow it till the burst ?
[17:46] <balloon91_> no we couldn't get good enough signal :(
[17:47] <Ian_> I trust that your payload wasn't expensive. I trust that you know about this community now. Shame that you hadn't engaged before. I take it that it was running UKHAS format telemetry? What was the callsign in use?
[17:49] <Ian_> afk rehearsal
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[17:51] <balloon91> it was chd
[17:51] <balloon91> thanks for your help anyway, will not make the same mistakes again. will probably go try to look for it tomorrow
[17:52] <edmoore> snake pass is a beautiful drive regardless
[17:52] <edmoore> balloon91: should the batteries last overnight?
[17:53] <PE2BZ> Good luck. Just keep in mind, did the transmission start on 434.450 and did it drift to 434.100 than you can be shure that the TX frequency can not be predicted.
[17:53] <PE2BZ> If the balloon did not burst then it could still be floating
[17:54] <PE2BZ> And indeed as Ian_ ment to say: share your info before the flight on UKHAS google groups, that way you collect a large backup of RX stations who do not have plans to steal your payload.
[18:00] <balloon91> okay thank you, will bear in mind for the future
[18:00] <balloon91> bye!
[18:00] <edmoore> balloon91: wait
[18:00] <edmoore> one sec
[18:00] <edmoore> email the ukhas mailing list
[18:01] <edmoore> that has more random hams who might not be here online on a friday evening
[18:01] <balloon91> okay
[18:01] <balloon91> how do i find the list?
[18:01] <edmoore> let them know the launch time, predicted burst alt, predicted flight path (approximately), frequency and the drift you observed, and so on
[18:01] <edmoore> ukhas@googlegroups.com
[18:02] <balloon91> thank you!
[18:02] <Vaizki> or via web https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/ukhas
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[18:10] <russss> NASA/NOAA have a Global Hawk UAS flying around Hurricane Matthew dropping sondes from 61k ft
[18:10] <russss> http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/psd2/coastal/satres/ghawk_dropsonde.html
[18:11] <russss> they have some data from today here ftp://ftp1.esrl.noaa.gov/et6/sat/shout/eol/2016_hrr/
[18:11] <PE2BZ> russss tnx for info. A little out of reception range for me ;-)
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[18:12] <russss> yeah I think if you were within reception range I think you'd have bigger problems at the moment
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[22:35] <amell> eek
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[22:35] <Laurenceb_> any freecad users in the channel?
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[23:05] <mfa298> is there such a thing as a freecad user, or are there just people that just swear at it when it's crashed yet again just as you were about to press the save button
[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:22] <Ian_> So, that was a bit of a long outage of freenode.net quite some cleaning session!
[23:23] <Ian_> Quite some netsplitting
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[23:29] <Ian_> Just looking nominally at the info given by balloon91 earlier. Launched 1330 from High Peaks in Derbyshire with a predicted altitude of 35km and a landing zone near Snake Road, Derbyshire. Nominally 15km NE of the launch site.
[23:30] <Ian_> https://www.ventusky.com/?p=51.5;-0.1;4&l=temperature indicated Friday circa 1330 ground to 9km prevaling winds were generally to the west.
[23:31] <Ian_> Communication was lost early in the flight yet it was around 1800 before he arrived in #habhub as the light was failing to report it missing.
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[23:32] <Ian_> Does all this hang together for anyone . . . or is this a sentintospace artifact?
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[23:34] <Ian_> I would imagine that in the high peaks today the wind would have been quite strong and pretty bleak. Bleaker than fsphil's mountain abode ;)
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[23:39] <Ian_> With a frequency drift from 434.450MHz to 434.100MHz, 350kHz that's pretty extreme I think?
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[23:40] <Ian_> Who manages to be able to launch a balloon and claim to have received it for a while but can provide no useful information and that provided looks slightly specious.
[23:40] <mfa298> I wonder if they were tuned into an image rather than the real signal hence it disapearing quickly
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[23:41] <mfa298> even the driftiest of payloads only moved a few 10's of KHz max
[23:41] <mfa298> I'm not sure many drifted over 10khz
[23:42] <Ian_> Could be, but what about the flight parameters. With a flight from HP you would hope that they would be looking for a landing zone clear of hills and holes.
[23:43] <Ian_> Another one for Dave's long list of ways to lose your toys
[23:43] <mfa298> the other one I wonder is if they've done their own thing and used one of the really cheap tx/rx pairs that are only good for ook and will drift a fair bit if you just look at them funny
[23:44] <Ian_> If it was an image, then why did it take them 4.5 hours to raise the alarm, just as the sun was setting. I obviously have a very suspicious mind.
[23:45] <Ian_> Those OOK jobbies are nominally 433.9xxMHz
[23:47] <Ian_> Certainly using the companion rx of one of those pairs would be a recipe for disaster, but that wouldn't give you any info to judge the degree of drift reported.
[23:49] <Ian_> Naive noob with a problem or a constructive uninformed timewaster trying to wind up helpers?
[23:49] <mfa298> the ook things seem to be popular in the pi community, they seem to only see low price and don't realise it's much harder to actually do anything useful with them
[23:50] <mfa298> I'd be tempted to go with Uni team that are overconfident and want to do everything themselves, and have now paid the price for that
[23:52] <Ian_> You could be very right, we have seen that before, but it seems a bit of a shame if that is the case. The fact that they arrived at #habhub first does suggest artifice or a total lack of appropriate research.
[23:54] <Ian_> Rocket thinking. Launch from a highaltitude (pun intended) for a higher flight!
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