highaltitude.log.20161003

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[00:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[01:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[01:31] Last message repeated 7 time(s).
[01:31] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all, could an admin do a hysplit run for DanB-2
[01:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:33] <Dan-K2VOL> hey all, could we do a hysplit run for Dan-B?
[01:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:33] <Dan-K2VOL> its a short float of about 4 hours
[01:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:37] <Dan-K2VOL> what is this bot doing, jeez
[01:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:37] <SpeedEvil> Being a little confused.
[01:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:44] <arko> uh oh, bots gone mad
[01:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[01:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:53] <x-f> lz1dev, SpacenearUS bot is broken
[02:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[02:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HEK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HEK-11
[03:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:45] <Darkside> hrm
[03:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[03:45] <Darkside> uh oh
[03:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[03:46] Last message repeated 6 time(s).
[03:46] <Darkside> uhm
[03:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[03:46] <Darkside> lz1dev:
[03:46] <Darkside> lz1dev: help
[03:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[03:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[04:10] Nick change: daey_ -> daey
[04:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:30] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[04:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[04:42] Last message repeated 145 time(s).
[04:42] <Vaizki> ...
[04:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[04:52] <Vaizki> lz1dev fsphil daveake someone
[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
[04:56] Last message repeated 19 time(s).
[04:56] <Vaizki> can we have 9 more hours of silence please
[04:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[04:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[05:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[05:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[05:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[07:31] <fsphil> who broke it
[07:39] <fsphil> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=7&qm=1_day&f=KF5KMP-5&q=KF5KMP-5
[07:40] <fsphil> that flight path doesn't happen often
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[07:48] <AndyEsser> damnit fsphil
[07:48] <AndyEsser> fsphil: dug your antennas out of storage yet?
[07:51] <fsphil> no need I suspect, last heard over 11 hours ago
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[08:10] <AndyEsser> o0o I need to order an airspy methinks...
[08:10] <Dan-K2VOL_> Thank you to whomever helped us get the hysplit running for DanB-2 today. A short test flight for using float predictions, but helpful.
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[08:14] <fsphil> ooh is Dan up to something
[08:30] <AndyEsser> Airspy and Pi Zero ordered
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[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03wb0emj-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[08:33] <x-f> just four times? you can do more!
[08:41] <lz1dev> New position from wb0emj-11 after 13 hours silence - https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wb0emj-11
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[08:42] <gonzo_> does the bot chat on all chanels when pinged?
[08:42] <gonzo_> channels
[08:42] <AndyEsser> Chanel number Hab
[08:43] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: no
[08:43] <gonzo_> that stinks
[08:49] <AndyEsser> wouldn't make sense for it to respond to someone who wasn't in another channel
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[09:00] <AndyEsser> fsphil: your mountain relay thingy
[09:00] <AndyEsser> how's it powered?
[09:11] <fsphil> it's all solar at the moment
[09:12] <fsphil> might be trying some kind of wind turbine at some point
[09:12] <fsphil> though I don't expect that to work as well
[09:17] <gonzo_> nit windy enough?
[09:17] <gonzo_> not
[09:20] <AndyEsser> fsphil: solar charges a battery?
[09:20] <AndyEsser> or direct?
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[09:36] <fsphil> battery
[09:36] <fsphil> there's a couple of big 12v lead acids
[09:36] <AndyEsser> ah ok
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[09:43] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2016/10/03/scanning-parts-into-kicad/
[09:43] <fsphil> sneaky
[09:44] <AndyEsser> ha! topical
[09:44] <AndyEsser> I need a footprint for an sdcard reader for kicad
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL7AD-11 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
[09:48] <fsphil> someone borrowed my flatbed scanner about 10 years ago...
[09:49] <fsphil> wonder how well they work under linux
[09:49] <fsphil> hopefully better than printers
[09:49] <AndyEsser> I've got an all in one printer type thing I usually use
[09:49] <AndyEsser> but also an A3 flatbed one in a box somewhere
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:12] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[11:40] <gurlavie_> Is there a way to get previous flight details ? I mean a flight I saw in the tracker and now I don't see it ?
[11:43] <craag> gurlavie_: If it's reasonably recent, use the "Last: x" dropdown in the top left of the map
[11:45] <gurlavie_> Right! thanks , missed it
[11:45] <gurlavie_> And can I export the data somehow ?
[11:48] <daveake> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[11:48] <daveake> or, as you had pits on your flight, you've got gps.txt and telemetry.txt
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[11:52] <gurlavie_> Thanks Dave. Sadly I forgot to turn in Telemetry :(.
[11:53] <gurlavie_> So I do have the GPS, but no temperature and battery .
[11:53] <edmoore> temperature went down then up, battery went down then down
[11:53] <edmoore> you've not missed much :)
[11:54] <gurlavie_> Hehe 😃
[11:54] <AndyEsser> :P
[11:56] <Vaizki> there's already enough data to simulate everything.. so why fly habs when you could just play HAB Simulator 2016!
[11:56] <Vaizki> launch in a blizzard off the top of an active volcano
[11:56] Action: AndyEsser ponders....
[11:56] <edmoore> well i still don't think anyone has got really solid absolute and differential pressure during a float
[11:56] <edmoore> which'd be interesting
[11:56] <AndyEsser> Be easy enough to take the NOAA data into Unity, and a simple 3d model and do that ;)
[11:57] <Vaizki> edmoore, like a sensor inside a superpressure qualatex or something?
[11:57] <edmoore> exactly so
[11:58] <edmoore> and internal vs external temp would be nice too
[12:04] <AndyEsser> Bangor Uni have a thermal test chamber they've said I can use
[12:05] <AndyEsser> when/if I finally get my tracker made, I might subject it to a few dozen cycles of what it would experience, with the battery, and try to get an accurate idea of how long it might last, and behave
[12:05] <edmoore> see if you can fck it up
[12:05] <AndyEsser> Yea, that was going to be my next plan afterwards :)
[12:05] <AndyEsser> see at which point it dies a horrible death
[12:06] <AndyEsser> not sure I should keep the lipo in there when whacking the temperature that far high or low though...
[12:06] <edmoore> acrylic protextive laquer is good
[12:06] <edmoore> it'd hard to kill really just with temp unless you go made, assuming it has a moisture barrier (the APL)
[12:06] <edmoore> if you allow condensation in though then there's always trouble
[12:09] <AndyEsser> so don't submerge it in water then?
[12:10] <mfa298> AndyEsser: you might find arko's stuff from the conference a few years ago interesting if you've not watched it already
[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NM5SS-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-15
[12:12] <AndyEsser> Doesn't ring a bell - do you remember which year it was?
[12:12] <mfa298> 2013 I think
[12:12] <AndyEsser> same year as ed's GPS talk?
[12:12] <AndyEsser> what's arko's actual name....?
[12:13] <AndyEsser> Environmental Testing? That one?
[12:14] <mfa298> http://batc.tv/channel.php?cat=HAB%202013&id=1168
[12:14] <mfa298> thats the one
[12:14] <AndyEsser> Yep - downloading them
[12:14] <AndyEsser> as that website hurts my eyes
[12:14] <AndyEsser> sorry craag
[12:14] <AndyEsser> :P
[12:15] Action: mfa298 suspects craag might agree about the quality of that version of the site.
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[12:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[12:30] <Vaizki> http://spacenews.com/firefly-space-systems-furloughs-staff-after-investor-backs-out/
[12:31] <Vaizki> ouch
[12:36] <AndyEsser> working a Serenity spacecraft?
[12:39] <fsphil> too soon man
[12:41] <AndyEsser> sorry
[12:41] <AndyEsser> I need to rewatch Firefly and Serenity...
[12:43] <fsphil> mmm
[12:43] <fsphil> that film is 11 years old now
[12:43] <fsphil> sheesh
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
[12:45] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGoDlG-qeA
[12:45] <AndyEsser> time flies
[12:45] <fsphil> still my fav intro
[12:45] <AndyEsser> "This is your Captain speaking, we may experience some slight turbulence on entry and then... explode"
[12:45] <fsphil> you needed to do that if you're ever flying with passangers
[12:46] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:46] <AndyEsser> it's already on my list of things to do
[12:47] <AndyEsser> Define Interesting
[12:47] <fsphil> I'd love to get some little dinosaurs for my cars dash, but that might be tempting fate
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[12:49] <AndyEsser> fsphil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjb1oZk3mNM
[12:49] <AndyEsser> in case you hadn't seen it
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[12:52] <fsphil> seen it. still great
[12:52] <fsphil> the subs on the dvd says "galactic language" when they speak chinese
[12:53] <AndyEsser> lol
[12:53] <AndyEsser> I'm actually in favour of English being referred to as Common or some such... it basically is :P
[12:59] <AndyEsser> anyone have a microSD footprint for kicad btw?
[13:00] <AndyEsser> that would be a suitable component for HAB
[13:01] <fsphil> checked adamgreig's kicad stuff?
[13:02] <fsphil> https://github.com/adamgreig/agg-kicad
[13:02] <adamgreig> https://github.com/adamgreig/agg-kicad/blob/master/agg.pretty/MICROSD_MOLEX_503398-1892.kicad_mod
[13:02] <fsphil> might have something
[13:02] <fsphil> knew it :)
[13:02] <AndyEsser> was about to @ him
[13:02] <adamgreig> https://github.com/adamgreig/agg-kicad/blob/master/lib/connector/microsd.lib
[13:03] <adamgreig> farnell 2358234
[13:03] <adamgreig> molex part 503398-1892
[13:03] <adamgreig> micro sds don't have standard footprints, alas
[13:04] <fsphil> that looks like it'll be a pain if there are solder bridges
[13:04] <AndyEsser> ta muchly adamgreig
[13:04] <russss> I think we used a multi-purpose footprint on the TiLDA Mk3 which supported that molex one and some cheap chinese part
[13:05] <AndyEsser> think that was the only major part missing when I did the netlist and what not with my existing schematic
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[13:06] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: btw with new kicad you don't need to generate a netlist ever
[13:06] <adamgreig> in the pcb editor just go tools/update from schematic (or in the schematic editor, tools/update pcb from schematic)
[13:06] <russss> although AFAIK that's "new" as in "not stable yet"
[13:06] <AndyEsser> CONN_SDCARD
[13:06] <AndyEsser> TQFP32
[13:06] <AndyEsser> and SOT-89
[13:06] <AndyEsser> those are the three problems I had
[13:06] <adamgreig> otoh you should try generating a BOM using the xml2bom script there, which will specifically alert you to parts missing footprints
[13:06] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: interesting
[13:06] <AndyEsser> ta
[13:07] <adamgreig> russss might be correct, I run the kicad nightlies
[13:07] <adamgreig> s/might/probably is/
[13:07] <AndyEsser> ah
[13:07] <adamgreig> but it's very nice :P
[13:07] <AndyEsser> surely I should probably know about generating netlists, anyway, no?
[13:07] <AndyEsser> as a concept I mean
[13:07] <adamgreig> eh
[13:07] <adamgreig> not reall
[13:07] <adamgreig> like the concept is "you press generate netlist, it makes a netlist, but you no longer need to have a netlist"
[13:08] <adamgreig> once upon a time the netlist was the only way eeschema could give data to pcbnew
[13:08] <AndyEsser> still need to dissect your potential divider maths and work out correct values for my frequency shift etc...
[13:08] <adamgreig> but now they can talk directly and it's strictly better
[13:08] <AndyEsser> ok cool
[13:08] <AndyEsser> cheers
[13:08] <AndyEsser> at least I can do the maths whilst the boards are in transit
[13:09] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: that sdcard holder only goes up to 85 degrees C
[13:09] <AndyEsser> :(
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[13:10] <adamgreig> lol
[13:10] <russss> adamgreig: they still haven't fixed the amusing python conflict bug which I have to spend 20mins on every time I upgrade it, so I try and avoid upgrading too often
[13:10] <Vaizki> yea not good for those active volcano blizzard launches
[13:10] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:10] <AndyEsser> 85 degrees should be fine
[13:10] <AndyEsser> haha
[13:11] <adamgreig> I mean it also survives reflow soldering so..
[13:11] <adamgreig> russss: that's so annoying! weird that it happens every update too
[13:11] <adamgreig> I just have their nightly ppa in ubuntu
[13:11] <AndyEsser> looking forward to checking out a potential workshop/office tomorrow - and trying not to get carried away with my shopping list :P
[13:11] <adamgreig> the new ray tracing 3d viewer is good
[13:11] <adamgreig> but I'm 10/10 excited for supporting new 3d formats
[13:12] <adamgreig> agg-kicad already links to a lot of the kicad built-in 3d models but not all installs have them around and it's still stupid wings3d
[13:12] <AndyEsser> no support for FBX or anything?
[13:12] <adamgreig> but new kicad will support actual industry standard 3d formats
[13:12] <adamgreig> no
[13:12] <adamgreig> no one uses fbx
[13:13] <russss> adamgreig: I have to delete something out of the actual app directory to make it work every time. Some kind of conflict with my system wxPython, which causes weird issues with menus not appearing
[13:13] <AndyEsser> no, but using the FBX SDK gives you free support for Collada, OBJ and Max file types as well :)
[13:13] <adamgreig> I mean those all sound stupid too
[13:13] <adamgreig> but is it open source/cross platform/etc?
[13:13] <AndyEsser> cross-platform yes
[13:13] <AndyEsser> open no
[13:14] <AndyEsser> FBX is a proprietary format
[13:14] <AndyEsser> but Collada is an open format
[13:14] <adamgreig> not going to go very far in kicad then are they
[13:14] <AndyEsser> and XML based
[13:14] <adamgreig> anyway the point is all the manufacturers tend to release STEP or IGES
[13:14] <adamgreig> and so do all the engineering 3d modelling tools
[13:14] <AndyEsser> fair enough
[13:14] <AndyEsser> was just a thought :)
[13:14] <adamgreig> so those are the ones it's oging to add
[13:14] <adamgreig> currently it supports only wings3d
[13:14] <fsphil> anyone made their own 3D models for kicad?
[13:14] <adamgreig> yes
[13:15] <AndyEsser> industry I come from uses a different batch of 3d model formats, so that's all I know :)
[13:15] <fsphil> tricky to do?
[13:15] <adamgreig> I strongly recommend waiting until stable has STEP or IGES support
[13:15] <adamgreig> wellll
[13:15] <adamgreig> it's not thaaat bad
[13:15] <adamgreig> you can model in anything (openscad) and convert to WRL in FreeCAD
[13:15] <adamgreig> but it's not great either, wrl is kinda stupid
[13:15] <adamgreig> and freecad is... an experience?
[13:15] <adamgreig> but it does work
[13:16] <fsphil> hah
[13:16] <fsphil> will play with openscad
[13:17] <adamgreig> the new ray tracing renderer looks good too
[13:17] <adamgreig> http://twitter.com/kicad_pcb is mostly just 3d renders right now
[13:18] <AndyEsser> o wow
[13:18] <AndyEsser> pretty
[13:18] Action: fsphil stares blankly at openscad main screen
[13:18] <fsphil> maybe later
[13:19] <adamgreig> openscad is a bit different
[13:19] <adamgreig> quite fun though
[13:19] <adamgreig> you could also just use freecad entirely to do the part, or indeed download actual wings3d and model it in that
[13:23] <fsphil> don't really need to do it at all, but it does look nice when there's not missing components on the 3d view
[13:23] <fsphil> no*
[13:24] <adamgreig> yea
[13:30] <Vaizki> electronics design problems 2016 edition: I can't see my design spinning in 3D .. :)
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> With realistic fog.
[13:33] <fsphil> accurate bump map on surfaces
[13:34] <fsphil> good excuse to have a gaming rig. I want to see the PCB spin at 100fps
[13:37] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:37] <AndyEsser> fsphil: in ProDesktop there was a button with a smiley face that made the object spin/rotate
[13:38] <AndyEsser> asked my teacher why it was a smiley face
[13:38] <AndyEsser> "Because you smile when you see it spinning and looking pretty"
[13:38] <fsphil> hah, perfect
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[13:55] <torntrousers> Hi. Could anyone here help me with filling out the UK CAA NOTAM application form?
[13:58] <daveake> go on
[14:00] <torntrousers> it says "Attach a copy extract of 1:50,000 Landranger OS Map showing site marked" - can i get that online somewhere?
[14:00] <daveake> I use bing maps
[14:00] <daveake> It has an ordnance survey mapping op[tion
[14:01] <daveake> I zoom that to show a few miles, take a screen grab, stick a circle around the launch site with a big arrow labelled "Launch site" and send that
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[14:04] <torntrousers> Ok, thanks. Next q is,
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[14:04] <edmoore> yes
[14:06] <torntrousers> It asks for "OS Grid Ref: Map No:................Grid Letters....", the ukhas wiki points to http://gridreferencefinder.com and i can see a Grid Reference (6 figure)
[14:06] <torntrousers> but what is the map No. and Grid letters?
[14:07] <torntrousers> For this point - http://gridreferencefinder.com/?gr=TQ3128689068|Point_s_A|0&t=Point%20A&v=r
[14:08] <mfa298> from that URL the Grid letters are probably TQ, The letters are the first part of spliting the country up by grid reference
[14:09] <edmoore> is that point from where you want to launch?
[14:09] <torntrousers> yes
[14:10] <Vaizki> ummm ...
[14:12] <torntrousers> umm ... ?
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[14:13] <mfa298> launching from London might be challenging, lots of airports to get in the way.
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[14:14] <AndyEsser> ^
[14:14] <AndyEsser> was about to say, good luck launching in london :)
[14:14] <Vaizki> I'm from Finland, I'm not qualified to comment :) But I would imagine it not being the easiest launch from a) London b) from a postage stamp sized green spot in a built-up area
[14:14] <daveake> 2 options
[14:14] <daveake> 1 - Launch before 6am
[14:14] <daveake> 2 - find somewhere well outside the M25
[14:14] <mfa298> that said craag has had permission for around Chigwell a couple of times (although quite possibly with a lot of restrictions)
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[14:15] <torntrousers> i did wonder about that. I called the number on the NOTAM request phone and they said they'd had london launches before so it should be ok but have to launch about 5am
[14:15] <russss> yeah, there have been a few launches from central London but they have always been at sunrise in the summer.
[14:15] <AndyEsser> do the 434 modules fall under the disallowed freqs in the Charing Cross Exclusion zone?
[14:15] <AndyEsser> ah no 430-432MHz
[14:15] <adamgreig> that's amateur not ism
[14:15] <daveake> yep nothing to do with ism
[14:16] <torntrousers> clocks go back at the end of Oct so that Sunday seemed like the best day till about next March
[14:16] <craag> torntrousers mfa298 I've always done it as pico, and going east :)
[14:18] <torntrousers> So what about that Map No. and Grid Letters?
[14:19] <mfa298> torntrousers: I've already told you about the grid letters.
[14:21] <torntrousers> Ok yes thanks, so Grid Letters ar TQ, any ideas on the Map no.?
[14:22] <mfa298> visit your local bookshop / outdoor shop ?
[14:22] <daveake> Or the OS online store
[14:23] <mfa298> for the full grid reference you have there: TQ 31286 89068, TQ is the main 100km square, then the 6fig reference inside that 312 890, gives you a 100m square inside that.
[14:24] <Andrew_M0NRD> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/shop/mapsheetfinder.html#mapsheet-viewer
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[14:25] <Andrew_M0NRD> 1:50000 is the Landranger, zoom in and right click and it tells you the map number
[14:26] <torntrousers> Ok, thanks. Then it asks "Daily Period (in local time)From....To..." - Is that the time range I might launch in, so perhaps 5a - 5:30am?
[14:27] <torntrousers> And also "Maximum dimension of balloon....length/width(diameter)"? What would that be for a 1000g balloon?
[14:27] <daveake> It's for whatever balloon you fly
[14:28] <daveake> I just put in something like "1.5m diameter at launch"
[14:28] <Vaizki> sneaky
[14:28] <daveake> It's honest
[14:28] <Vaizki> indeed :)
[14:28] <torntrousers> Ok thanks. You're all very helpful. Have to get my kids from school, but will be back with more questions...
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[14:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF7YRW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7YRW-11
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[14:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-4 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-4
[14:48] <torntrousers> Hi again. The form also asks "Radar reflector attached Yes/No". I've not noticed mention of that on the ukhas wiki so presume its ok not to have one?
[14:48] <gonzo_> yes
[14:48] <gonzo_> yes it's ok not to have one
[14:54] <torntrousers> Thanks. On a different topic...I wondered about the balloon tracker payload contents. Here http://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#standard-ukhas-sentences it says typical fields are a message ID, the time, a GPS latitude and longitude in decimal degrees, and the current altitude. Why do you need to include the time? Can't that bederived from what time the message is received?
[14:55] <gonzo_> the receive and forwarding to the web server does not add a timestamp
[14:56] <gonzo_> and the same packet can be received by multiple receiving sites. Some could be on mobile internet and delays could add up
[14:56] <daveake> Also, with a timestamp, it doesn't matter if the upload gets delayed (e.g. chase car 3G drops out for a while)
[14:57] <gonzo_> snap
[14:57] <daveake> snap (delayed)
[14:57] <AndyEsser> the receive and forwarding to the web server does not add a timestamp
[14:57] <gonzo_> hehe, it's not unclear who won that hand
[14:58] <gonzo_> snap AndyEsser, but that will be your fingers for suck a poor joke
[14:58] <gonzo_> h
[14:58] <gonzo_> ah it's ho home time.... Laters
[14:58] <AndyEsser> ho home time?
[14:58] <gonzo_> go
[14:58] <AndyEsser> you have hos?
[14:58] <AndyEsser> and yes it is
[14:58] <AndyEsser> despite being in late
[14:58] <gonzo_> ho ho, go home
[14:58] <AndyEsser> because I've spent the day blocked
[14:58] <AndyEsser> ho ho ho, now I have a machine gun?
[14:59] <gonzo_> use caster oil
[14:59] <torntrousers> If I use LORA from the balloon and have my own gateway, is anyone else likely to be receiving the transmissions?
[14:59] <gonzo_> Now I have to watch that film again!
[14:59] <AndyEsser> great Christmas Film
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> So long as you tell us the details etc yes of course
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> My LoRa receivers run 24/7
[15:00] <torntrousers> oh ok, I wasn't sure there were many people about listening with that. You'd need to know all the frequency, spreading factor, bandwidth etc?
[15:01] <torntrousers> and also the payload format?
[15:01] <AndyEsser> yarp
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes Frequeuncy unless your using Calling channel mode, the Mode or the individual parameters. ttimes and launch date etc. will come from the Flight Doc.
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> No the payload format will be in the Payload Doc and referenced by the Flight Doc that is all dealt with from the server end
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[15:14] <mfa298> is 'ho home' the other end of 'hi ho, hi ho its off to work we go' ?
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[15:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5BFY-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5BFY-1
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[15:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-5 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-5
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[15:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU7AA-15 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU7AA-15
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[16:06] <udat> fsphil: damn thing near went over my head and I missed it
[16:06] <udat> :)
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5FKB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5FKB-11
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[16:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[16:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[16:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[16:56] <PE2BZ> !whereis UBSEDS18
[16:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: 03UBSEDS18 is over 03Okanagan-Similkameen, BC, Canada 10(49.35178,-119.51452) at 0312591 meters
[16:56] <PE2BZ> !track UBSEDS18
[16:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[17:07] <jakeio> With LoS on a payload, is it OK to use a cheap DVB-T SDR dongle for tracking. I'm running a club at my school to get other students into HAB and we need multiple trackers for not too much money!
[17:10] <PE2BZ> the DVB-T dongle will do ok. But not with the 14 cm magmount antenne which often comes with it.
[17:12] <jakeio> No, with a coat-hanger Yagi or moxon most likely.
[17:13] <PE2BZ> You used the rtl-sdr yourself, didn´t you ?
[17:14] <jakeio> I used FunCube Pro+
[17:14] <jakeio> RTL-SDR looks like what I'll end up buying.
[17:18] <PE2BZ> RTL-SDR takes a little more time to setup the gain (AGC on or off, switch for best results) to prevent it from being overloaded because of the lack of bandpass filtering. But out in the field I would shurely advice it, given the price !
[17:19] <jakeio> Thanks, that's really helpful!
[17:20] <mfa298> you may not get quite the same range from the rtl-sdt as you did from the FCD Pro+, but they'll work
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[17:21] <mfa298> putting mcx connecters onto coax can be fun if you're trying to make antennas - although it's possible with reasonable tools (or just buy a bunch of pigtail adapters cables)
[17:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> get the rtl-sdr blog one, its realy good
[17:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> u have a screenshot1+ dollars
[17:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> nv the last one
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[17:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> what I should say its 20 dollars
[17:23] <mfa298> if you've got a bunch of chase teams one good receiver (fcd P+, or see if the school will buy an ft817) and then other cheaper options shouldn't be an issue
[17:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> you wont se any differance in range, maby a couple of sentancis max more with a more expensive dongle
[17:24] <fsphil> ft817 is probably an overkill these days
[17:24] Action: PE2BZ is not goint to tell Andy
[17:24] <jakeio> Right, well, we've got the Pro+, and we're going to get 1 RTL-SDR dongle per team I think.
[17:24] <mfa298> ft817 + tablet are probably easier to carry around than laptop and sdr.
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[17:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like it sould out :( , its realy gooD!!
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[17:50] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: too late - I saw :P
[17:50] <PE2BZ> Lol... How´s life flying by ?
[17:50] <AndyEsser> actually just been using the FT817
[17:51] <AndyEsser> need the airspy to hurry up and turn up
[17:51] <AndyEsser> then I can get back to tracking
[17:52] <PE2BZ> Best DX so far ?
[17:52] <gonzo_> you should hassle the airspy uk man
[17:53] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: err... somewhere over the North Sea
[17:53] <AndyEsser> about 300km I think?
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[17:53] <PE2BZ> with 5 Watts ? not bad :-)
[17:53] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: only ordered it a few hours ago
[17:53] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: no no, that was RXing a payload
[17:53] <AndyEsser> not done any TX on an ft817
[17:53] <gonzo_> that's no excuse
[17:53] <AndyEsser> speaking to people over radio isn't really my thing
[17:54] <PE2BZ> I know how it feels. Have had 200 qso´s in about 7 years.
[17:54] <AndyEsser> setting up a data connection via a relay on Snowdon and some Northern Ireland mountain to fsphil is much more interesting
[17:54] <PE2BZ> Best DX with 5 Watt and the Sota beam (4 element for 2 meter) was on 70 cm with Sweden
[17:55] <PE2BZ> 785 KM or something
[17:55] <AndyEsser> nice
[17:55] <PE2BZ> and with 2 meter the most Northern island of the UK, which has only one radio amateur, 999 km
[17:55] <mfa298> PE2BZ: I think you're on a much higher qso/year than me.
[17:55] <AndyEsser> one of my questions for the workshop I'm going tomorrow is rules from landlord about erecting a radio mast
[17:55] <AndyEsser> which I'll then stick a Diamond V-2000, couple of yagis on, and maybe a dish
[17:56] <PE2BZ> That´s a good idea ! Today, in 4 minutes, I convinced my boss to offer a dutch ATV repeater a temporary home for 2 years at 29 m ASL (10 GHz)
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[17:57] <Ian_> Awaiting an RSP from SDRPlay http://www.sdrplay.com/blog.html Guy on the right, Andy, is the programmer and knows (of) Prog.
[17:57] <AndyEsser> one Yagi will point SE-ish to cover hab launches
[17:58] <AndyEsser> and one probably NW to try and get towards fsphil's mountain
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[17:58] <Ian_> Ha ha, and how long ago was it you were having snags getting a colinear up a stick?
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[17:59] <AndyEsser> Ian_: that's at home, which has all the usual issues with residential properties
[17:59] <AndyEsser> this would be a commercial property and easier to wangle stuff like that :P
[17:59] <Ian_> OK, new location. You will be able to spend your working hours . . . working.
[17:59] <AndyEsser> meh
[17:59] <AndyEsser> this is work
[17:59] <Ian_> I think that unlike Ben, you are close enough in to need to waggle your antennas from time to time
[18:00] <AndyEsser> ?
[18:00] <PE2BZ> Ian_ I have a company bike :-)
[18:02] <Ian_> :) Good job it's flat there then . . . mobile antenna platform! You capture the UK pretty much on a fixed heading beam, but as Andy is more in the middle of it even two directional antennas would miss some, but he is close enough to UK action for a colinear to be OK and fill the gaps
[18:03] <PE2BZ> Today I tried to negotiate with our local fireman that they did not need the Clark mast which is 15 m and runs on air pressure.... I could not convince them....
[18:05] <Ian_> You have been a busy boy Ben. Perhaps concede the point about the Clark and see if they can give you a permanent loan of a turntable ladder instead.
[18:05] <Ian_> I know a farmer that has a crane holding up a huge HF beam. It's a vehicle so no planning permission required. Planners don't do vehicles . . . :)
[18:06] <PE2BZ> That would be nice.... The firetruck however is not allowed on the top roof... 750 kg / meter square max
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> That's only 10m^2 or so of load spreading
[18:07] <Ian_> Hmmm. That might be a bit of a problem, what with snow loading in winter as well. :)
[18:08] <PE2BZ> That´s an idea for my parents in law.... Find myself a crane :-)
[18:08] <PE2BZ> 750 kg of pure snow.... Sorry, wrong movie....
[18:08] <Ian_> Even cranes must have end of life status before they are finished. Just not fully certifiable for commercial use!
[18:09] <Ian_> That would be crane and snow . . .
[18:09] <AndyEsser> <3 my Gerber multitool
[18:10] <Ian_> It's not the first stadium or large public building in the world to have had the roof collapse under the weight of snow in a severe winter . . . without a crane
[18:10] <PE2BZ> Ian_ my antenna at my parents in law is a X50 hidden in a Storks nest ;-)
[18:11] <Ian_> What, not a crane's nest? Your X50 could easily become a part of a stork's nest given the size of the sticks that storks seem to use
[18:11] <PE2BZ> We had it happen on a location of our company in Bleiswijk, many years ago, rainwater which could not find it´s way out. That was the moment we made 1000 holes in the roof with 15 cm PVC pipe on top, if water exceeds the 15 cm we rather have that in the building instead of the complete roof
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[18:15] <Ian_> A good reason for having a gentle slope on the roof to clear it and gargoyles for entertainment if the 15cm level needs relieving at the lower point because of blocked drains
[18:16] <Ian_> I replaced a flat roof area last year. For the previous year we had a leak and intercepted it with a polythene sail to divert any water into a bucket
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[18:20] <PE2BZ> Bye for tonight, it´s time to have some tea :-)
[18:20] <AndyEsser> ciao
[18:20] <PE2BZ> Bye
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[18:21] <AndyEsser> question....
[18:21] <AndyEsser> if I had a squire/cube void space
[18:21] <AndyEsser> and had an antenna in each corner
[18:22] <AndyEsser> what's the likelihood of being able to have accurate enough timing and what not between all 4 antenna to position of a device within the void?
[18:22] <AndyEsser> say if it transmitted a ping every second or so
[18:22] <AndyEsser> without spending an absolute fortune
[18:22] <adamgreig> it kind of depends
[18:23] <adamgreig> what position accuracy, how big is the space, etc
[18:23] <M0RJX> Hey Guys a quick question on pull ups. Ive put a 10k resistor on the 3.3v line for the reset on the MAx8Q the idea being it will stay high with no output from a pin but can stil be pulled to ground by the avr. Does that make sense?
[18:23] <adamgreig> yep that works M0RJX
[18:23] <bertrik> 3m is about 10ns
[18:23] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: ah yea, I suppose the more precise the timing, the better the position resolution?
[18:23] <M0RJX> Thanks adamgreig
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[18:25] <adamgreig> yea AndyEsser
[18:25] <AndyEsser> cheers - might be something to play with sometime
[18:25] <adamgreig> but also like, can you connect all the receivers up with coax, or are they too far apart, can you log the data, do you need the positions in real time, what RF frontends do you have, bla bla
[18:25] <adamgreig> it's not usually an easy problem
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[18:25] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: no I didn't imagine it would be
[18:25] <bertrik> and averaging measurements probably works with a square-root relationship, i.e. to reduce the stochastic error by a factor 10, you need to average about 100 measurements
[18:25] <adamgreig> especially if you want better than tens/hundreds of metres
[18:25] <AndyEsser> more of an interesting challenge
[18:26] <AndyEsser> void is probably about 10m * 10m * 10m type size
[18:26] <AndyEsser> yes coax to all the receivers
[18:26] <AndyEsser> realtime would be the goal
[18:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0312 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[18:29] <M0RJX> New Toy arrived today http://i.imgur.com/tIzrztB.jpg
[18:30] <adamgreig> hah
[18:30] <adamgreig> there are some mods you should do
[18:30] <adamgreig> before you first power it on
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[18:30] <adamgreig> most of all, replace the masking tape with kapton tape inside
[18:30] <adamgreig> or it burns and stinks and is generally awful
[18:30] <SP9UOB-Tom_> !hysplit SP9UOB
[18:30] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom_: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[18:30] <adamgreig> second is i recommend earthing the metal chassis as it's not by default
[18:31] <adamgreig> and third is you can reprogram them with a much better firmware, though that's a bit more of a pain
[18:31] <SP9UOB-Tom_> !hysplit-run SP9UOB
[18:31] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom_: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[18:31] <M0RJX> Kapton tape arrived today :-)
[18:31] <M0RJX> Earthing is next on the list
[18:31] <M0RJX> and then reblow the firmware
[18:32] <adamgreig> great
[18:32] <adamgreig> they're pretty alright post-mod
[18:32] <M0RJX> bargain at 250 quid plus some time
[18:33] <M0RJX> https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements
[18:35] <M0RJX> adamgreig, I'm thinking these a re good steps https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements/issues/76
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[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom_> !hysplit
[18:43] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom_: HYSPLIT available for: 03DanB-2, HIRFW-5, HIRFW-6, K6RPT-11, KD2EAT-11, UBSEDS18
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[18:44] <AndyEsser> scary half-head emerging from cardboard box :P
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[19:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[19:54] <M0RJX> ping Upu
[19:54] <Upu> evening
[19:54] <M0RJX> Do you want to use some of this kapton tape
[19:54] <Upu> I'm good thanks my stuff burnt off years ago :)
[19:54] <M0RJX> lol
[19:55] <M0RJX> Ive just put an ordr in for 10 gpos
[19:55] <M0RJX> gps
[19:55] <Upu> yep got it thanks will ship tommorrow
[19:55] <M0RJX> Looking forward to using the oven I'm just going to burn some new s/w on to the board
[19:56] <Upu> good luck :)
[19:56] <M0RJX> and add a fan control and cold junction thermo
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[20:01] <Upu> expect it to stink no matter what you do
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[20:05] <M0RJX> Apparenty it quite nice once the tape has been removed
[20:05] <adamgreig> no stink from mine at all, having removed all masking tape
[20:05] <adamgreig> fairly sure that's the culprit
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[20:09] <aadamson> FYI in case you haven't see this - http://www.whizoo.com/
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[20:41] <M0RJX> aadamson, nice but looks like too much effort
[20:42] <M0RJX> BTW anyone know of a cheap LPC progrmmer for programming the T962A?
[21:14] <aadamson> M0RJX, he offers them pre-built, that's what I use, and it's awesome, never had a cooked board, bad smells, bad board, etc... and he's updated his firmware so you can even dry parts if you ever needed too prior to reflow
[21:15] <M0RJX> Hum I'll have a butchers :-)
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[21:37] <edmoore> i use a reflow controller to
[21:38] <M0RJX> edmoore, as in an oven?
[21:38] <edmoore> the results are approximately identical to leaving it at 150C for 5 minutes, turning it up to 250C until you see it reflow, then turning it back to 150 for aminute, then turning it off
[21:38] <edmoore> yes
[21:38] <edmoore> a toaster oven
[21:38] <M0RJX> Cool I'll see how I get on with the T962A
[21:38] <M0RJX> Failing that toaster here I come
[21:41] <edmoore> i am probs going to try the t962a actually
[21:41] <edmoore> had 4 good years service from the toaster oven but the tray is a bit annoying
[21:42] <Ian_> Those damned crumbs again , , ,
[21:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
[21:44] <edmoore> yep
[21:45] <edmoore> also the little bit of diff pcb you attach the thermocouple tip to as a temp probe gets absolutely nadgered after a few tens of cycles
[21:46] <edmoore> duff pcb*
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[21:51] <M0RJX> edmoore, I'll let you know how i get on with it. I have replaced the masking tape with kapon tape and added an earth cable to the separate section of the unit
[21:52] <M0RJX> Tomorrow is flash the firmware and add a cold junction ds18b20
[21:53] <edmoore> is it a jtag to reflash or is there some other way in?
[21:53] <M0RJX> There is a 5 pin break out and flash with ttl converter
[21:53] <M0RJX> Seems too easy
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[21:56] <M0RJX> edmoore, https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements/wiki/Flashing-the-LPC21xx-controller
[21:57] <edmoore> ta
[21:58] <M0RJX> nighta
[21:58] <M0RJX> s
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[21:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-5 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-5
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[22:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[22:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NG2Q-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NG2Q-5
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[22:41] <NG2Q-5> hi guys, can i get this flight for tomorrow approved please?
[22:41] <NG2Q-5> e9953166bf9c7be4155bf9092277ff98
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[22:44] <NG2Q-5> e9953166bf9c7be4155bf90922c39fdc
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FDK-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-13
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