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[03:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 036KXC715_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=6KXC715_chase
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[05:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
[05:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-5 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-5
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[06:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-12 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
[06:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANDYJ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANDYJ
[06:36] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> AndyJ up its on 434.182 ich
[06:36] <PE2BZ> Good morning and thank you !
[06:36] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> gm
[06:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-12 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
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[06:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANDYJ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANDYJ_chase
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[07:13] <PE2BZ> !dial andyj
[07:13] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03AndyJSpaceBalloon 10(92d0): 03434.25 MHz, 434.250083 MHz, 434.2505 MHz, 434.2491 MHz, 434.25008 MHz
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[07:23] <PE2G> !flights
[07:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03Leek Launch 10(92d0)
[07:23] <PE2G> !dial 92d0
[07:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03AndyJSpaceBalloon 10(92d0): 03434.25 MHz, 434.250083 MHz, 434.2491 MHz, 434.25008 MHz
[07:32] <Upu> is this a weak signal ?
[07:37] <PE2BZ> I would say yes it is.
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[07:38] <PE2BZ> Given that it´s at 25 km atm I would expect more signal. The yagi has zero decodes. the Diamond vertical has 4 so far
[07:39] <g8fjg> Upu it is for me and right in middle of the .250 QRM
[07:40] <Upu> should be booming but I can hardly decode it
[07:41] <Upu> mind you qrm is huge this morning something splattering the who ism band
[07:42] <g8fjg> also rapid 10-15 db qsb
[07:50] <g8fjg> have switched to my yagi at 10' to get under the qrm...many more decodes now...sometimes you can see too many signals!!
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[07:54] <Silviaa> hello
[07:55] <Ian_> g8fjg a low pass altitude filter, what will be thought of next. Good call! :)
[07:56] <PE2BZ> Someone needs an attitude filter ?
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[07:59] <Ian_> :) That must be an All Altitude filter. Only AndyEsser needs to watch his attitude and angle of attack when he is flying :)
[08:01] <Upu> SSDV stopped too ?
[08:04] <Ian_> Is that last picture indicative of the older camera problem that was identified and fixed recently ?
[08:05] <Ian_> The SPI and I2C ports conflicting or something similar?
[08:05] <daveake> i2c
[08:05] <daveake> Yeah RPi fixed that weeks ago
[08:05] <daveake> The pits s/w is old too I can see
[08:06] <Ian_> I take it that's a yes then? Good morning. Best to fly up to date stuff to get the benefit of a developing product
[08:07] <daveake> I've yet to see a camera error with the new RPi firmware, despite a lot of testing, so yes I think they've fixed it and yes I think the flight is using old firmware
[08:08] <Ian_> Going to Newark Hamfest today to get N-Type plugs and bulkhead mounting sockets to terminate antennas into a box. Unfortunately tomorrow I am beefarming so might not get an RF glimpse of RELAY1 etc.
[08:14] <daveake> tsk, priorities all wrong :p
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[08:25] <jcoxon> hey number10
[08:26] <number10> morning james
[08:27] <Rebounder> morrn
[08:35] <Upu> morning
[08:37] <daveake> morning
[08:37] <Vaizki> morning
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[08:41] <Upu> err
[08:41] <Upu> it just died
[08:44] <Rebounder> backup tracker?
[08:44] <daveake> low battery voltage
[08:46] <Upu> don't see one
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[09:19] <Breitling> Hi there.. someone to help a completely newby, please?
[09:20] <Breitling> My question is about tracking
[09:20] <number10> just ask I am sure someone will answer
[09:21] <Breitling> I already know the basics... sdr#, dl-fldigi, etc...
[09:21] <Breitling> But... how can I know the payloads freqs of teh existing globes? Is there any listing anywhere?
[09:24] <number10> usually in announcements on the mailing list - or in the details on the RHS of te spacenear tracker
[09:29] <Breitling> I can see details for upcoming launches, but I have no idea how to configure freq, mode, etc.. for an already flying balloon.
[09:29] <Breitling> For example: KF5KMP-4
[09:30] <mfa298> ones that look like that (amateur callsign - number) are usually imported from aprs
[09:30] <mfa298> so will usually be on the normal aprs frequency for the region
[09:30] <number10> http://aprs.fi/info/a/KF5KMP-4
[09:36] <Breitling> Sorry for being so dumb, but I can't see freq to tune on sdr# nor configuration data for dl-fldigi on APRS data from tha balloon
[09:37] <mfa298> you wont be able to decode aprs balloons with dl-fldigi, you'll need an aprs decoder
[09:38] <mfa298> if that's in the USA then aprs shoudl be on 144.39, and there'll probably be a load of non balloon aprs traffic as well
[09:39] <Breitling> No, I'm on the northwest corner of Spain. aprs here on 144.80
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[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:58] <Breitling> Ok, so I undestand the long term floaters can only be tracked via APRS?
[10:59] <daveake> No, but APRS is useful as there's a wider network
[11:02] <Rebounder> Breitling: there are many possibilities, shortwave (wspr,jt9, cw etc), satellite..
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:08] <mfa298> Breitling: APRS is relatively limited range, but a wide network (most countries), likes of WSPR have a much longer range (tend to run on HF rather than VHF/UHF)
[11:09] <mfa298> both will need an Amateur license and potentially can't be used everywhere (there needs to be a reciprocal agreement in place and you need to know all the rules affecting it)
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[11:34] <garymortimer> Afternoon all
[11:34] <garymortimer> quick question....
[11:36] <garymortimer> tracker on the ground at a highpoint acting as a repeater to the interwebs, would that be a pain? I'm generally the only person tracking launches here and it would be a great help if I could distribute some rx's
[11:40] <jcoxon> garymortimer, would be pretty do-able
[11:40] <jcoxon> lora probably suits that setup
[11:40] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sounds just like what is beingplanned for tomorrow with daveake repeater system feeding back to one central point.
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_2_chase
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[12:00] <garymortimer> Ah yes, LoRa is just what I have setup and so I will watch with great interest tomorrow. I was just going to box up some Uno's and deploy them on top of high ground. Does the repeat function let the system know which repeater first heard the signal??
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> See the writeup from dave on the list https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/o19vwmk4ORI
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034z7gul_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4z7gul_chase
[12:43] <garymortimer> Would the system mind that two Uno's on teh ground acting as repeaters would be throwing out similar positions?? I'm guessing the GPS would be needed to help with timings
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[13:37] <daveake> Hi garymortimer
[13:37] <garymortimer> Hi dave
[13:38] <garymortimer> My plan is to just have two LoRa trackers on the ground as repeaters, is it a horrid plan?
[13:38] <daveake> You're asking about "the system" but there are 101 ways to design these protocols depending on what you need ... e.g. 1 hop or multi-hop repeating, what throughput you need etc etc
[13:39] <daveake> For my repeater flight last year I wanted something simple with fairly frequent position updates but without any tracker tx-ing for more than 10% of the time
[13:39] <daveake> So I used a time-based slot system where each of the 3 trackers had a primary slot (when it sent its own position) and 2 secondary ones (where it repeated the other 2 trackers
[13:40] <garymortimer> Oh I was not wanting to confuse things by doing it! We have some pretty spectacular terrain around here and getting some position reports whilst I am driving to get underneath would really help
[13:40] <daveake> This works for a small number of trackers but the amount of repeater slots goes up with the square of the number of trackers
[13:40] <garymortimer> so i am wrong in thinking just putting some Unos on hills would work then...
[13:41] <garymortimer> OIC
[13:41] <garymortimer> It would be one hop down to a receiver connected to the web
[13:42] <garymortimer> not hill to hill then web
[13:42] <daveake> On my flight, the repeated packets were identical to the originals (again, keeping things simple), but I could tell which tracker sent what by looking at the time the packet was sent
[13:42] <garymortimer> Ok
[13:42] <daveake> Right, so the flight tomorrow is more like that
[13:42] <daveake> One tracker Txs then waits for a time a bit longer than the packet time
[13:43] <daveake> During that gap the one repeater is supposed to hear the packet and repeat it
[13:43] <garymortimer> And they are in sync via GPS time
[13:43] <daveake> Previous flight was, yes
[13:43] <daveake> This one isn't
[13:43] <daveake> This one the repeater repeats immediately
[13:43] <garymortimer> ok
[13:44] <garymortimer> my simple thinking just thought put a tracker on a hill in mode 2 and all would be good
[13:44] <daveake> Well there needs to be a plan :)
[13:45] <daveake> One really simple plan is for each tracker to Tx at random intervals, and repeaters to repeat what they here, with a random delay
[13:46] <daveake> Sometimes, with multiple trackers/repeaters there'll be 2 txing at once, so there will be some packet loss
[13:46] <garymortimer> Or just distribute lots of receivers connected top the web I think to keep it simple for me!
[13:46] <daveake> Next thing you'd want is to add a "number of repeats" to the packet, like APRS does, and to not repeat after (say) 2 repeats
[13:47] <garymortimer> Yeah I was wondering if that happened
[13:47] <daveake> Well if they have web connection then yes they're just radio listeners not repeaters
[13:47] <garymortimer> yeah, that would plainly be the simplest thing for me to do!
[13:47] <daveake> Have a look at UKHASNet too
[13:48] <garymortimer> need to find more friends on hills
[13:48] <daveake> :)
[13:48] <garymortimer> Yes I will revisit that, does UKHASnet do position reports as well??
[13:49] <adamgreig> yea
[13:49] <adamgreig> though its standard spec doesn't seem to work so well at long range balloon stuff
[13:49] <adamgreig> probably due to the high (2kbps) data rate
[13:49] <adamgreig> and/or other choices, hard to say really
[13:49] <daveake> You could use the same protocol but on LoRa modules
[13:50] <daveake> And yes it can send GPS locations, or whatever else you like
[13:55] <mfa298> other thing to consider if doing repeaters would be run a 2nd radio link for the repeated stuff. If they're fixed paths you might also be able to go faster so giving less issue with collisions
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[14:03] <g8fjg> just testing raspbian with Pixel, pi3 and Daves v1.8.5..all seems to work
[14:05] <g8fjg> thats used all my non windows knowledge :-)
[14:05] <bertrik> has it been considered to use an existing LoRaWAN network for (backup) telemetry? like the-things-network?
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[14:06] <bertrik> oh, I see the density/coverage of that network is not that good yet in the UK, but perhaps interesting in the netherlands
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NERDPI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDPI
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[14:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
[14:26] <PE2BZ> g8fjg been there, learned all from Google ;-)
[14:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0IDL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0IDL-11
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[14:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-12
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-11
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K0SCC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K0SCC-11
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[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
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[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
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[15:16] <fsphil> ok it's new
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-13
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-14
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-12
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BMV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BMV-11
[15:19] <gurlavie_> hi, anyone knows if it is possible to disable RTTY on the HABduino ? just having it sending APRS ?
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[15:20] <fsphil> anything's possible :) it's just software
[15:20] <fsphil> not a helpful answer, sorry
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[15:22] <daveake> yeah just find the line that enabled the transmitter
[15:22] <gurlavie_> yes, I can mass with the code. I am going to have both PITS and HABduino on the same balloon, so if I guess I have too shut down the RTTY on the habduino
[15:23] <daveake> no
[15:23] <daveake> you can have multiple rttys just keep them on different frequencies
[15:26] <gurlavie_> I was worried with how it will show up on abhub tracker
[15:26] <gurlavie_> wouldn't they just override ?
[15:28] <fsphil> only if they have the same callsign
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[15:29] <daveake> Lots of flights have multiple trackers / payload IDs; it's not a problem at all
[15:30] <gurlavie_> ok. Thanks !
[15:30] <daveake> As fsphil says just give them different callsigns (and make a payload doc for each)
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[15:30] <daveake> Most of my flights are like that
[15:30] <gurlavie_> great. will do so .
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[15:31] <gurlavie_> What I saw is that every time an APRS packet is sent the RTTY transmission fails decoding
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[15:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K0SCC-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K0SCC-9
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[15:55] <daveake> Because the APRS transmitter is close to your RTTY receiver and is overloading it
[15:55] <daveake> It's 300mW vs 10mW
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[16:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SB after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SB
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[17:16] <gurlavie_> tx Dave. probably right, need to find time to do an outdoor test
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[17:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-11
[17:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dawn_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Dawn_chase
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[18:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-1d - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-1d
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[18:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM_chase
[18:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[19:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABIL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABIL
[19:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[19:47] <fsphil> it's baaack
[19:48] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> yay!
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[19:52] <gurlavie_> Hi, a quick question, preparing for a launch tomorrow. Is there a way to add the APRS data to the tracker.habhub ? I mean it is aggregated with APRSIS so I am not forwarding it...
[19:52] <lz1dev> whats the callsign?
[19:53] <gurlavie_> HABIL-1d
[19:53] <gurlavie_> 4Z7GUL-11
[19:54] <lz1dev> .aprs add HABIL-1
[19:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03HABIL-1 to APRS Importer
[19:54] <lz1dev> .aprs add 4Z7GUL-11
[19:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 034Z7GUL-11 to APRS Importer
[19:56] <gurlavie_> :) thanks ! it's amazing how you guys are agile. amazing.
[19:56] <lz1dev> :)
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[20:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034Z7GUL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4Z7GUL-11
[20:18] <gurlavie_> I see now 4Z7GUL-11 on the map. thanks. so it will be separated from the ILHAB-1d ?
[20:20] <lz1dev> its 1d?
[20:20] <lz1dev> .aprs ping ILHAB-1d
[20:20] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[20:20] <lz1dev> .aprs ping ILHAB-1
[20:20] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[20:23] <gurlavie_> I see the APRS on 4Z7GUL
[20:23] <gurlavie_> .aprs ping 4Z7GUL
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> 03gurlavie_: Latest contact: 034Z7GUL 10(6 days ago)
[20:23] <gurlavie_> .aprs ping 4Z7GUL-11
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> 03gurlavie_: Latest contact: 034Z7GUL-11 10(a few seconds ago)
[20:25] <mfa298> would HABIL-1d be the rtty name perhaps ?
[20:25] <mfa298> feels like an unlikely call sign
[20:26] <lz1dev> might not work on aprs
[20:27] <gurlavie_> I made a bit of a mass. My PITS board call sign is HABIL. it transmits RTTY
[20:27] <gurlavie_> My HABduino is ILHAB1d
[20:27] <gurlavie_> ILHAB-1d
[20:28] <gurlavie_> my APRS call sign is 4Z7GUL-11
[20:28] <lz1dev> oh ok
[20:28] <lz1dev> .aprs remove ILHAB-1d
[20:28] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Error: Unable to remove callsign, since it doesn't exist
[20:28] <lz1dev> .aprs remove ILHAB-1
[20:28] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Error: Unable to remove callsign, since it doesn't exist
[20:29] <lz1dev> wait what im confused
[20:29] <gurlavie_> ops. sorry
[20:29] <lz1dev> .ping HABIL-1d
[20:29] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No contact from 03HABIL-1d
[20:29] <lz1dev> so HABIL-1d is your rtty callsign?
[20:29] <lz1dev> and APRS is 4Z7GUL-11
[20:29] <gurlavie_> HABIL is the RTTY
[20:30] <lz1dev> do you want 4Z7GUL-11 to go to HABIL, or keep them seperate?
[20:31] <gurlavie_> I would like it to go to ILHAB-1d
[20:32] <lz1dev> .aprs add 4Z7GUL-11 ILHAB-1d
[20:32] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 034Z7GUL-11 as 10(ILHAB-1d) to APRS Importer
[20:33] <gurlavie_> Wow, it works :)
[20:33] <gurlavie_> thanks !
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[20:44] <richardeoin> ooh ubseds18 :)
[20:44] <richardeoin> less than two more days to equal the ubseds duration record
[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Brilliant on UBSEDS18!
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[21:31] <Upu> !ping UBSEDS18
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Last contact with 03UBSEDS18 was 03a minute ago
[21:31] <Upu> !track UBSEDS18
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[21:32] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/ZppnlL6.gif
[21:34] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/UjtVgjn.gif
[21:37] <fsphil> lol
[21:38] <Upu> :)
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[22:31] <RBalloon_> check check
[22:34] <richardeoin> Hey Dan-K2VOL - I gave a talk at the UKHAS conference this year than somewhat follows on from yours in 2011
[22:34] <richardeoin> https://github.com/richardeoin/a-quick-guide
[22:35] <richardeoin> thanks for making your talk and references available, was really useful when putting together mine
[22:36] <Dan-K2VOL> richardeoin: thank you for the kind words!!
[22:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Reading your presentation now
[22:48] <richardeoin> awesome - I'd be interested to know if you have any thoughts
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[22:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-18 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-18
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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