highaltitude.log.20160930

[00:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ralt-qq_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ralt-qq_chase
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[00:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Grigg_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Grigg_chase
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[00:28] <M6MUX> just upgraded my lora gateway, it says "Starting now..." and that is all. is that normal?
[00:28] <M6MUX> seems to have changed a bit
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[02:22] <Ian_> M6MUX Still much the same as the 1.8.4 release <Ian_> Before http://imgur.com/a/t1scv After http://imgur.com/a/QbUcB
[02:22] <Ian_> Ignore the After image, it was to do with resizing the screen when operating via ssh
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[04:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 037705589668_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=7705589668_chase
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[04:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 037705720864_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=7705720864_chase
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[06:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03its wahaj file_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=its%20wahaj%20file_chase
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[07:15] <AndyEsser> morning
[07:15] <AndyEsser> had a tutorial on getting Kicad schematics into PCB layouts last night
[07:15] <AndyEsser> so might actually get around to finish my tracker!
[07:20] <fsphil> kicad isn't too horrible
[07:20] <AndyEsser> I lost my temper with Eagle
[07:21] <AndyEsser> and the schematic I did for my tracker was in Kicad, it was just the step of getting into PCB that I was lacking
[07:21] <AndyEsser> also fsphil
[07:21] <AndyEsser> did we come to a decision as to whether your mountain side node can potentially see Snowdon?
[07:21] <fsphil> yeah, not directly
[07:22] <fsphil> it'll need something in between somewhere
[07:22] <AndyEsser> hmm
[07:22] <AndyEsser> meeting I had last night, guy that organised it and just puts people in touch with others basically
[07:22] <AndyEsser> knows someone that works on the mountain, and has previously asked if they can put an antenna at the top, and he has no problem with it
[07:22] <fsphil> sweet
[07:23] <fsphil> there are some tall hills near the coast here, a relay might work there but getting one there could be tricky
[07:23] <AndyEsser> might be worth having a think about sometime
[07:26] <gonzo_> you looking for a wide area 5ghz net?
[07:26] <AndyEsser> 70cms :P
[07:27] <gonzo_> 70cm links, or just rx and backhaul on 5ghz?
[07:27] <fsphil> backup on 5ghz :)
[07:27] <fsphil> looks like south east NI mountain > snowdon is possible
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[07:28] <gonzo_> we have one down here (well, trying to get it back going again) and a friend has one in the midlands. Woudl be great to link thgem all
[07:28] <gonzo_> had spoken to him about putting lora stations on some sites, which he said was nfp
[07:28] <edmoore> do it - it'll be great AndyEsser
[07:29] <edmoore> how long has it been since you put togther a pcb made by your own fine mind/hands?
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[07:30] <fsphil> http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=GATUQTGS
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[07:33] <AndyEsser> edmoore: when was I at Cranleigh...
[07:33] <edmoore> yah zackly
[07:34] <edmoore> was good though that we got marinated in making pcbs from day 1
[07:34] <AndyEsser> yea
[07:34] <AndyEsser> was chatting to the guy last night I was discussing rocket stuff with, and talking about how we both got into stuff
[07:34] <AndyEsser> (he also did tech theatre stuff) and it seems we were both lucky with well equipped departments and teachers
[07:35] <edmoore> tech theatre seems to be a pattern, i've noticed
[07:35] <AndyEsser> also discussed how we were basically a child labour force :P
[07:35] <edmoore> speaking of, have you heard anything from tom dyer in the last million years?
[07:35] <AndyEsser> good lord, that's a name I've not heard for a while
[07:37] <edmoore> so no, then
[07:37] <AndyEsser> sorry, no :)
[07:37] <AndyEsser> why do you ask?
[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-5 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-5
[07:38] <edmoore> was just wondering what everyone else had gone on to do from slave crew
[07:38] <AndyEsser> ha
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[07:39] <AndyEsser> think the only person I've spoken to in recent memory (barring yourself) is Abi
[07:39] <AndyEsser> Meals went and got married
[07:39] <AndyEsser> Ian dropped off the planet
[07:39] <AndyEsser> haven't spoken to either of the Beavers since I left Cranleigh
[07:39] <AndyEsser> err... who else?
[07:40] <AndyEsser> my memory is failing me
[07:40] <edmoore> marvin
[07:40] <Vaizki> "went and got married" .. so this is a final state that excludes all other activity? :)
[07:40] <edmoore> tho he was never really in
[07:40] <AndyEsser> marvin?
[07:40] <AndyEsser> good lord...
[07:40] <Vaizki> he's a martian now
[07:40] <AndyEsser> I think I forgot about him about 30 seconds after I left
[07:40] <edmoore> he was back then too
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[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[07:54] <fsphil> esa video stream just as unreliable today as yesterday. ah well, will follow on twitter
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[09:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FDK-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
[09:08] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtlyCQWWgAA6evw.jpg:large
[09:08] <fsphil> odd date format
[09:09] <craag> year.day seems to be used a lot in space stuff
[09:09] <AndyEsser> one step away from stardates
[09:10] <edmoore> fsphil: it's on nasa tv in 1hr
[09:10] <edmoore> 11am
[09:10] <craag> at least it's not year.decimal-day
[09:10] <craag> like TLEs
[09:10] <fsphil> edmoore: nice. the esa stream is just impossible atm
[09:11] <fsphil> craag: that's what I thought it was at first
[09:11] <AndyEsser> craag: so like 2016.5?
[09:11] <AndyEsser> which would be whatever day is half way through the year?
[09:12] <fsphil> oh man it is
[09:12] <fsphil> today is the 274'th day of 2016
[09:12] <craag> AndyEsser: no, eg. 2016.3.5 would be midday on Jan 3rd
[09:12] <AndyEsser> ah
[09:12] <fsphil> 2016.274 is today. that's mad
[09:12] <nick_> yeard.day should be our standard time system.
[09:12] <AndyEsser> I'd agree
[09:12] <fsphil> nooo
[09:12] <AndyEsser> none of the gregorian nonsense
[09:12] <nick_> Including a fractional day for the actual time.
[09:12] <AndyEsser> no
[09:13] <AndyEsser> 2016.215 0800 I'm fine with :P
[09:13] <craag> I could go with a fractional day
[09:13] <craag> Sort of got used to it when sorting out TLEs for the ISS
[09:13] <AndyEsser> we had Runedays at a previous job
[09:13] <nick_> Like this: http://molluscmicros.co.uk/dtime/
[09:13] <AndyEsser> thankfully it didn't filter into actual dates for meetings, whatnot
[09:15] <nick_> The months and days nonsense is much worse that the 24 hours in a day, but really we should fix both.
[09:25] <zyp> at a place I used to work, all dates were expressed in terms of week number and weekday
[09:25] <zyp> today would be 39.5
[09:27] <AndyEsser> zyp: was it a financial place?
[09:28] <gurlavie_> Hi, may I ask something about the PI-IN-THE-Sky configuration ?
[09:30] <daveake> go on
[09:31] <zyp> AndyEsser, no, hardware/software
[09:32] <gurlavie_> I see there is some prediction capabilities in the config file. I think Dave you also referred to it in your last post. How do I use it ?
[09:33] <daveake> just change the "=N" to "=Y" on the config line (enable_prediction=y, iirc)
[09:35] <gurlavie_> which parameters does it use ? what do I get from it ? basically what does it do ?
[09:35] <daveake> This is only for lora currently
[09:36] <gurlavie_> AAAaaaa......ok, so wont use it for now. Will try next time. Tx !
[09:36] <daveake> Currently it adds lat/long of the expected landing point
[09:37] <gurlavie_> Can I configure it to my specific Balloon , payload weight, burst calculator ?
[09:39] <daveake> It works on descent only. It logs the wind speed/direction on the way up and makes the assumption (which will be wrong, to a greater or less extent) that the wind will be the same on the way down. It doesn't have access to predicted wind conditions so it cannot do what the live map does and make a prediction for the entire flight.
[09:40] <daveake> It doesn't need payload weight etc as it measures the descent rate and uses that to predict the descent rate at lower altitudes
[09:42] <gurlavie_> ingenious !
[09:42] <daveake> It's been done before
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[09:43] <daveake> Steve Randall has done it; possibly others too
[09:43] <gurlavie_> So it needs Lora because it enables it to more easily transmit the results?
[09:43] <daveake> Just not got round to adding it to RTTY yet
[09:44] <gurlavie_> Great. thanks for clarifying.
[09:46] <gurlavie_> can I shoot more questions ? dont want to abuse the channel
[09:47] <daveake> go on
[09:47] <daveake> we can move to #pits if it gets in the way of other conversations
[09:49] <gurlavie_> I am concerned with the images - I am practically 3 meters away from PITS and I dont get the images in full
[09:49] <gurlavie_> Can I see stats of fldigi decoding ?
[09:51] <daveake> Not that I know of. Remember that at that distance you may well be overloading the receiver, so try getting them further apart, or remove the aerial from one end or the other (not both!)
[09:51] <daveake> Also make sure you have the custom shift set correctly in dl-fldigi
[09:51] <daveake> If you still have trouble post images of the SDR s/w and dl-fldigi in action
[09:53] <gurlavie_> ok thanks. I am still tuning all of this. For the chase itself what typical antenna gain do you have ? anything special ?
[09:53] <daveake> magmount on the roof of the car. You can can ones tuned for 70cm/2m and they're good enough
[09:53] <daveake> s/can can/can get/
[09:55] <gurlavie_> got it. final Q - considering how to secure the PI camera. remember your experience where the camera detached. Any recommendations ?
[09:55] <daveake> Out it inside with a small hole. That's the safest. Outside is easier but you do risk losing the camera unless you tape it down properly (which I didn't)
[09:55] <daveake> Put ^
[09:57] <gurlavie_> will try. thanks for everything !
[09:57] <edmoore> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public
[09:57] <edmoore> 3 mins
[09:58] <fsphil> on youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
[09:58] <daveake> ta
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[09:58] <craag> I put a piece of wire looped through the top mounting holes on the camera, and then loop that through a couple of holes in the box, secures it reasonably well
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[09:58] <daveake> wise move; those are usually worse than Elon's Q&As
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[10:07] <edmoore> no stream yet
[10:08] <fsphil> 2 minutes to go I think
[10:10] <fsphil> ish
[10:10] <Vaizki> adobe flash.. sigh..
[10:10] <fsphil> here we go
[10:10] <edmoore> stuff happening
[10:10] <daveake> dramatic music
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[10:11] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Face Space Race A 10(9edf)
[10:12] <edmoore> mucho lens flare
[10:12] <pb0ahx> !payload 9edf
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03RALT_C 10(9edf) 03$$RALT_C - 03Primary - 03434.7 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
[10:12] <fsphil> the JJ effect
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[10:13] <Vaizki> not really a fan of spending time & money on the hollywoodish stuff
[10:14] <Vaizki> But I do understand that it's probably impossible to get money for the next mission without them .. :P
[10:14] <AndyEsser> if it helps to get "normal" people interest in science/space stuff, I do'nt mind it
[10:14] <AndyEsser> don't*
[10:15] <AndyEsser> anyway, lunchtime!
[10:15] <AndyEsser> laters y'all
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[10:24] <fsphil> there's a chance it could bounce rather than land
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[10:28] <Vaizki> well it has about 1/1000 of the gravity of the earth (on the surface) so they'll have to try hard not to bounce..
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[10:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SB after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SB
[10:53] <fsphil> should be over now. just waiting on light catching up
[10:57] <gurlavie_> A quick question, is there a "parachute" calculator ? where I can estimate the descent rate based on parachute and payload weight ?
[10:58] <edmoore> there is an equation
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Parachutes.html
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Bottom of page
[11:00] <fsphil> esa need better camera operators
[11:00] <gurlavie_> Thanks ! great
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:08] <fsphil> video still blurry
[11:09] <fsphil> or is it just me?
[11:09] <pb0ahx> !dial HIRF-5
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: 03HIRF-5 is over APRS. 144.8Mhz EU/Russia/Africa, 144.39Mhz USA, 144.64Mhz China
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[11:17] <AndyEsser> upgrading to ubuntu 16.04... really hope this doesn't go wrong...
[11:17] <Vaizki> upgrade to Arch and stop worrying about versions :P
[11:18] <AndyEsser> eww no thanks :P
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[11:18] <AndyEsser> gives me an excuse to start my PCB layout in kicad :)
[11:21] <fsphil> and rosetta is done
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[11:21] <russss> UHF_Satcom got it https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom/status/781816173193269249
[11:22] <fsphil> oh sweet
[11:22] <fsphil> nice one prog!
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[11:22] <fsphil> er, pjm
[11:24] <pjm> ah yeah that was great seeing the signal end
[11:24] <pjm> although bloody weak
[11:26] <russss> well it was -125dBm on the 70m dish at Robledo
[11:26] <russss> perhaps you need a cryogenic LNA ;)
[11:26] <pjm> yes please, all donations welcome!
[11:26] <fsphil> haha
[11:27] Action: AndyEsser rummages in pockets... nope sorry
[11:27] <Vaizki> you can have all our cryogenic weather, pickup only
[11:27] <daveake> Yeah stop spending money on aircraft send it to pjm :)
[11:27] <fsphil> this camera has gotten blurrier
[11:28] <AndyEsser> daveake: you'll be grateful one day when we have a chase plane after your balloon ;)
[11:28] <daveake> Already have an airborne repeater for Sunday :)
[11:28] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:28] <fsphil> what's your highest altitude so far AndyEsser?
[11:29] <AndyEsser> err... 3000 ft?
[11:29] <SIbot> In real units: 3000 ft = 914 m
[11:29] <fsphil> ah not bad
[11:29] <AndyEsser> there's usually altitude restrictions outside of the controlled airspace that I tend to practice in
[11:33] <pjm> i will reinvestigate cooling once my az/el project is complete
[11:34] <russss> could get a few dB using a peltier I guess
[11:35] <russss> you occasionally see cryocoolers on US eBay for <$400, but never seen any over here. I suspect you need a big dish before it's practical to fit one on as well
[11:35] <russss> the state of my ebay alerts...
[11:36] <edmoore> i am about to have access to a lot of ln2
[11:36] <edmoore> could offer it to habbers
[11:37] <russss> well if you just want to keep topping it up with ln2 then it's not too expensive to get but you need a dewar
[11:37] <russss> http://mansfieldcryogenics.com/
[11:37] <pjm> my lna is about 0.55db NF at 8425MHz so its OK but it may be possible to make it a bit better
[11:37] <pjm> for peltiers u would have to put it in a nitrogen box to prevent condensation on the PCB etc
[11:37] <pjm> and make thermal WG isolator etc
[11:39] <Laurenceb_> what are you wending on 8425Mhz?
[11:40] <russss> wow, they had a downlinked image from -1 seconds
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RELAY1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RELAY1
[11:45] <pjm> Laurenceb_, the DSN signals from interplanetary spacecraft, like rosetta etc
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> oh wow
[11:46] <Laurenceb_> how big is your dish?
[11:46] <AndyEsser> that's a bit of a personal question!
[11:47] <edmoore> is there a link to the last images?
[11:48] <fsphil> they're likely very blurry
[11:48] <russss> they took the lens out, the last image seemed to be close to in focus
[11:49] <russss> https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/781822041532030976
[11:49] <edmoore> oh fun
[11:51] <fsphil> oh that's much better than I expected
[11:51] <russss> the ones at 750-1000m should be really good
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[11:56] <pjm> Laurenceb_, its 1.8M diameter
[11:58] <fsphil> I need a big dish that can be built up/taken apart as needed
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[11:58] <edmoore> or one that folts like an imbrella
[11:58] <edmoore> or an iris
[11:59] <fsphil> I seen a photo of a great umbrella one, had been used for a satellite phone I think
[11:59] <fsphil> they don't look too easy to get a hold of
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[12:07] <fsphil> http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2016/09/Comet_from_51_m_wide-angle_camera
[12:07] <fsphil> last image
[12:10] <Vaizki> is that the onboard IndyCam?
[12:11] <fsphil> OSIRIS wide-angle camera
[12:11] <fsphil> wonder if the navcam was taking images too
[12:11] <fsphil> http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2016/09/30/rosettas-last-navcam-image/
[12:11] <fsphil> hmm
[12:12] <fsphil> just took a few after the burn to confirm the heading
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GH_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GH_chase
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[12:26] <staylo> Hehe, the NASA stream didn't entirely mute their audio just after the commentary ended. You can vaguely hear some words in the background about the 'all european mission' comment.
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[12:31] <fsphil> oblig http://xkcd.com/1740/
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[12:35] <daveake> Ha. Thought that was going to be "No, actually, we pushed it onto a collision course"
[12:35] <AndyEsser> <3 XKCD
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[12:42] <AndyEsser> off to see a man about a workshop on Tuesday :)
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[12:47] <gonzo_> workshop space?
[12:48] <fsphil> that's what kitchens are for
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[12:48] <gonzo_> even with lots of sheds etc, I still end up doing most work in the sq ft in fromt of the keyboard
[12:49] <fsphil> my workbench is pretty untidy atm. you know it's getting bad when you have to move stuff to find the keyboard
[12:49] <fsphil> snap
[12:49] <fsphil> I've a rule not to put anything near the keyboard. I'm always breaking it
[12:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031stBelper_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1stBelper_chase
[12:50] <gonzo_> newly created workshop space, is just pending crap storeage space
[12:50] <AndyEsser> fsphil: my kitchen doesn't have space for tools/making stuff
[12:50] <gonzo_> if you want a workshop, you just need to create more sheds to keep ahead of the crap curve
[12:52] <gonzo_> some one I use dto know, had a pc parts business from home. The place was so stacked with boxes, if you wnated the loo, you had to plan 10-mins ahead, to clear the baxes out into the hallway to get in
[12:53] <AndyEsser> Yea, I can't do that
[12:53] <gonzo_> could never work out how he managed to squeeze down the remaining space, as he was a very big lad
[12:53] <AndyEsser> and there are benefits to having the company's registered address being in wales :)
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[12:54] <fsphil> debt collectors can spell it?
[12:54] <fsphil> can't*
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[12:54] <AndyEsser> lol
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031stBelperTonysPhone_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1stBelperTonysPhone_chase
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[13:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 037705720864_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=7705720864_chase
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[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0308614_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=08614_chase
[13:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB5FDK-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB5FDK-12
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[14:14] <Ian_> #j pits
[14:17] <daveake> made a hash of that
[14:22] <edmoore> if you get pyros ever you should have some kind of joke about armpits
[14:23] <daveake> :-). have some not used them
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039948234951_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9948234951_chase
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: There are no flights currently :(
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 036KXC715_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=6KXC715_chase
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[16:58] <AndyEsser> https://i.imgur.com/dPeLNnx.png
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[17:23] <PE2BZ> stresstest me http://109.109.112.170:8073/?f=14309.09usbz6
[17:23] <PE2BZ> IE not supported
[17:24] <PE2BZ> That´s one. Two more needed :-)
[17:24] <PE2BZ> SOld out. Thanks
[17:24] <AndyEsser> I bwoke it
[17:24] <AndyEsser> :P
[17:25] <PE2BZ> I bought one spare :-)
[17:25] <PE2BZ> 4 receivers fit in 1 MB upload
[17:26] <PE2BZ> 2 slots available again
[17:27] <PE2BZ> Antenne is 1/4 wave 26 MHz pager antenna (groundplane) in industrial environment.
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[18:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XE2NL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XE2NL
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[20:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-11
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[20:27] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/dPeLNnx.png
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[20:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-10 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-10
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[23:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03z_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=z_chase
[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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