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[04:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[05:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[05:35] <x-f> ^^ that balloon is above my horizon for the third day in a row (but i haven't got a single aprs packet from it anyway)
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[06:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-11
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[06:48] <Vaizki> goooood moooooorning UBSEDS18 \o/
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[06:48] <Vaizki> und ye all and sundry
[06:48] <AndyEsser> am I all or sundry?
[06:49] <Vaizki> is your skin wrinkled and do you smell of raisins?
[06:49] <Vaizki> now that you're a ham and all...
[06:49] <AndyEsser> lol
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[07:06] <fsphil> many contacts made yet? :)
[07:09] <Vaizki> I have made zero so far, even though I have 2 transmit-capable rigs :)
[07:12] <daveake> SETI will probably make contact before I do
[07:14] <gonzo_> ah, but they are looking for 'intelligent' life
[07:15] <gonzo_> so probably not going to be <uhf
[07:24] <fsphil> some aurora photos popping up from last night. I was too busy wasting time on spacex
[07:25] <x-f> are you free tonight? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/3-day-forecast
[07:27] <fsphil> just looking at the local weather forecast
[07:27] <fsphil> gonna be really windy but potentially clear skies
[07:27] <fsphil> will have to find somewhere sheltered
[07:33] <x-f> we had no rain this month at all and now the forecast shows a lot of it right tonight :/
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[08:56] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[09:43] <AndyEsser> been ordered home
[09:43] <AndyEsser> time to work on rockets
[09:44] <edmoore> why have you been ordered home?
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[09:46] <AndyEsser> I am diseased apparently
[09:47] <daveake> That should happen more often
[09:47] <daveake> (sending people home if infectious)
[09:47] <AndyEsser> means I don't get paid
[09:47] <Vaizki> doesn't happen here very much, mostly because people don't show up in the office when sick
[09:48] <daveake> good job you haven't spent the money then :/
[09:48] <gonzo_> the down side of working for yourself
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[09:48] <AndyEsser> haha
[09:48] <daveake> indeed
[09:48] <daveake> save for a rainy day and all that
[09:48] <Vaizki> you get paid for showing up and not producing something?
[09:48] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: technically yes
[09:48] <Vaizki> :P
[09:48] <gonzo_> we get people who bravely coem in when they shoul;dn't then the whole office goed down with it
[09:48] <AndyEsser> because the VP of the department is old school and would rather determine progress by bums on seats, and not deliverables
[09:49] <daveake> I've done on-site by-the-hour work, but IO much prefer fixed job fixed price
[09:49] <fsphil> gonzo_: happening here right now
[09:49] <Vaizki> maybe you can leave an inflatable andy to compress the seat custhion while you're sick
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[09:49] <AndyEsser> ha
[09:49] <gonzo_> and when we have people who won't have any ventilation in the place, so traps you in wioth the nasty air
[09:49] <daveake> though sometimes customers think it's variable job fixed price
[09:49] <edmoore> by the hour is better for research
[09:49] <edmoore> trust me
[09:49] <daveake> sure
[09:49] <AndyEsser> daveake: but only in terms of increasing scope, not decreasing, right?
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[09:50] <gonzo_> the victorians thought that bad air caused illness
[09:50] <daveake> yeah they need to be trained
[09:50] <edmoore> number of times we have almost self-immolated with firm fixed price cvontracts for r+d
[09:50] <daveake> yeah I generally only do d
[09:50] <AndyEsser> fixed price _can_ be quite nice, if scope/requirements are firmly laid out at the beginning and not altered
[09:50] <AndyEsser> but like that ever happens...
[09:51] <daveake> I have aa set of trained customers now, andthey're pretty good at "can we have X added please and let us know how much|"
[09:51] <AndyEsser> ice
[09:51] <AndyEsser> nice*
[09:53] <gonzo_> there was the old story of a guy brought back from retirement to fix a fault that shut a plant down. After a week he located the prob and invoiced for 50k$
[09:53] <gonzo_> the mgmnt went mad and asked for a breakdown of the costs.
[09:53] <gonzo_> for putting X on schematic to id fault - $1
[09:54] <gonzo_> for knowing wjhere to put X - $49999
[09:54] <AndyEsser> Yea, heard a similar story about a plumber charging £1k to hit a boiler with a hammer to fix it
[09:54] <gonzo_> (there's prob multiple versions around, but that was the one I heard)
[09:55] <AndyEsser> it's a worth urban myth
[09:55] <AndyEsser> worthy*
[09:55] <gonzo_> the old man used to pretend to twiddle at the backs of TVs when he knew that it was the sight/hearing of the customer that was the fault
[09:56] <gonzo_> though one day he was doing that trick when he realised that he's beed sussed by the old dear's grandson, huge biker type, watching through the doorway
[09:58] <gonzo_> he got away with it as the lad had the same probs with her
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[10:37] <Vaizki> we have a conscription army and I reverse-engineered and reimplemented the control systems for a decompression chamber there (navy station).. so after my service was over, they gave me a 3 year "on call" contract with a yearly fee of about £1800 just to answer the phone.
[10:37] <Vaizki> they never called so it was good money ;)
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[10:44] <daveake> beats my best rate :)
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[10:46] <Vaizki> especially good money for a 19-year old in uni
[10:46] <gonzo_> best for you, or best for them!
[10:46] <daveake> nice
[10:46] <daveake> Mine was £2,000 for 1 simple phone call and 1 simple email
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[10:47] <daveake> which went "that s/w you wrote for us ages ago, we don't have the source" ... was about to say "no problem I'll send it" but he got in first with "how much? 2k?"
[10:47] <daveake> oh wait $2000
[10:48] <daveake> still not bad for 5 mins
[10:49] <daveake> lesson: sometimes, keep your mouth shut
[10:49] <gonzo_> story from a friend. When he started with the phone co (prob GPO back then) had to meet some eng's at the post office tower. Got there early and nodes around. Found loads of microwave links that were out of alignment, so was helpfuyl and realigned them all
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[10:50] <gonzo_> got a real bollocking, as all the eng's were on callout and they were set to just start giving errors when the wx changed. Enough to get a callout but they would return to service after, so it looked like a visit had happened. ANd not so iffy that it tripped the stats to need investigation
[10:51] <Vaizki> ..
[10:53] <gonzo_> also mentioned that the linesmed would have hidden relays in the frameroom, so ringing a number would short the power and blow the fuse
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[10:54] <gonzo_> had the security guy on stby (for a back hander) with instructions and spare fuses
[10:56] <Vaizki> ffs
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[13:04] <Ian_> Noticed a place some while ago with no coding standards manual and some issues. When asked about it I got . . . Meh! Yesterday I reflected on the Merlin Fine (Smiler Ride accident) and thought, yeah, no documented procedures . . .
[13:05] <Ian_> And we know what that has cost them, and others! £5M fine, a couple of legs etc.
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[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DART1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DART1
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[13:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NERDLO after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDLO
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[14:37] <AndyEsser> Ian_: not quite as much as an arm and a leg
[14:37] Action: AndyEsser probably shouldn't really joke about such things...
[14:45] <edmoore> i do like checklists now
[14:45] <edmoore> they free the brain for important stuff that brains are good at
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[14:54] <AndyEsser> edmoore: checklists are good - I have quite a few to try and familiarise myself with for flying
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[15:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030735239335_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0735239335_chase
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[15:20] <Laurenceb__> if the Apollo 11 mission was like IAC2016...
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> we copy you're on the ground, we've got a bunch of guys who are so high right now
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> you inspire the shit out of us
[15:22] <fsphil> can you come and see my electric bus
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[15:33] <UT3BW> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=1_day&f=KF5KMP-3
[15:33] <UT3BW> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=7&ts=1474967137&te=1475075137&call=a%2FKF5KMP-3
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[15:34] <UT3BW> server habhub problem?
[15:35] <UT3BW> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=1_day&f=HB9FDK-11
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[15:36] <UT3BW> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=8&call=a%2FHB9FDK-11
[15:38] <UT3BW> server habhub problem?
[15:39] <lz1dev> UT3BW: yep, should be back to normal now
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[15:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-5 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-5
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[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-5 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-5
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[15:49] <UT3BW> test
[15:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-4 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-4
[15:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-5 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-5
[15:51] <lz1dev> UT3BW: ^ works now :)
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[15:56] <UT3BW> KF5KMP-3 and HB9FDK-11 no real position on site
[15:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY9
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-11
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[16:05] <UT3BW> KF5KMP-3 and HB9FDK-11 no real position on site
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[16:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[16:41] <pb0ahx> !flights
[16:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[17:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NM5SS-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-6
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[18:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03uX0 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=uX0
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[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03iv3iim_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=iv3iim_chase
[19:49] <Ian_> Hmmmm. LoRa Gateway: Using ssh, my monitor doesn't render the red/yellow on Blue very well. is the font colour configurable?
[19:50] <Ian_> White comes to mind :) It's OK on the HDMI Pi screen, but that's upstairs!
[19:50] <Ian_> I found my terminating resistors and the bag of adaptors.
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You need to select a 256-color mode for the screen to get colur see the readme file
[19:52] <Ian_> Off to read.
[19:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh you are gfetting color just not that well ?
[19:54] <Ian_> That's correct (reading cancelled). The native display is good, but running via ssh, the contrast between the Blue BG and the Red(?) text is grim. Looking or a simple fix. The monitor is likely to be swapped out, but it gives the impression of reading text from an LCD screen well off angle
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Might be worth checking, might not ne happy with mode used perhaps ?
[19:55] <mfa298> best not trying the old vt100 then ?
[19:56] <Ian_> Thinking that maybe I need to be grepping source code
[20:01] <Ian_> 5 element 868MHz yagi has an N-type connector :)
[20:01] <Ian_> Bag of adaptors has no N-type representatives :(
[20:03] <Ian_> More than ample RG58 cable, so see cut cable and a BNC plug in my future . . .
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[20:49] <fsphil> good chance of aurora tonight, if you've got clear skies
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[21:09] <Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/wireless-connectivity/lorawan.html?querycriteria=productId=SC2150&icmp=tt4099_cc_bn_sep2016
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[21:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03chase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=chase_chase
[21:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0308614_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=08614_chase
[22:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MAVIS_A1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MAVIS_A1
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[22:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:20] <Ian_> Have white text on blue :) much clearer for me now.
[23:22] <Ian_> With no antenna and SMA terminating resistors, notice that the LoRa Gateway RSSI bobbles about quite a bit. More so on 434MHz than 869MHz and over the course of several hours I had a burst of four error lines in the output file (?) for 434MHz. No local interference from G0PAi of course.
[23:39] <Ian_> Of course if the host ssh screen is resized, the fixed text is not refreshed at all, but is lost.
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