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[00:28] <Ian_> I wonder if the -2 degree declination of the balloon's pointer at it's current range from it's target (home) is really valid, given earth curvature?
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> ducting/reflection from bodies of water has been seen before
[00:29] <Ian_> I would imagine that the lack of sunlight has probably caused the gas volume to contract slightly? I might expect it to rise slightly at sun up with a stiff envelope that might then fail
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[01:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RALT_C after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RALT_C
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[02:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[05:21] <Liam___> Hi there, just looking to get a flight doc approved
[05:21] <Liam___> what do I need to do?
[05:22] <Liam___> name:"FSR 1"
[05:23] <Liam___> Project:"Face Space Race"
[05:23] <Liam___> Group:"Liam McBride Kelly"
[05:25] <Liam___> Sorry, cancel the above, I made an error
[05:25] <Liam___> I will be back :)
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[05:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> when you have everything ready paste the doc in #habhub cannel for approvement
[05:28] <Liam___> Thanks Mike
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[05:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
[05:50] <Babs_> Woop! Stabilotron-II still lives! PE1ANS did a great job tracking through the night and now the Slovakian contingent are about to take over
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[06:05] <Babs_> stand by for another speed record
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[06:06] <Babs_> there we go 7,174kph. Sweet.
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[06:37] <pb0ahx> gm all
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[06:39] <Babs_> morning
[06:40] <pb0ahx> hi babs the last one that i hrd is $$STABILOTRON-II3545,06:35:33,49.4514,11.2735,-30710.365,45.789,17,S90-2,3.255,3.97,30.93,8.75*72=1
[06:40] <pb0ahx> he is stil on my waterfall
[06:40] <Babs_> ok great - many thanks
[06:41] <pb0ahx> waaaaaaaa green
[06:42] <Babs_> looks as if a listener in slovakia has picked it up which should see it through untiil the batteries die later today/it bursts - just gone through 35km altitude again
[06:42] <Herby> Help
[06:42] <Upu> morning
[06:42] <pe2bz_> Morning
[06:42] <Upu> it will probably rise and burst
[06:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> probobly burst before batteries out
[06:42] <Upu> sup Herby ?
[06:43] <pe2bz_> Help is available in English only
[06:43] <Herby> ?
[06:43] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> PE2BZ
[06:43] <PE2BZ> Herby just kidding
[06:43] <Babs_> Upu where is that Northern optimism?
[06:43] <Babs_> ha ha
[06:43] <Herby> TABILOTRON-II,3565,06:43:03,49/&267,11.3348,-30404.533,34.711,17,290,-2,3.227,31.93,31.93,6.81*A8AB
[06:43] <Upu> I've done this a few times :)
[06:44] <Babs_> ye
[06:44] <Babs_> *yes
[06:44] <Babs_> its been a fun little jaunt across Europe though
[06:44] <Upu> oh hey Herby you're receiving it ?
[06:44] <Herby> Yes
[06:44] <Upu> .track STABILOTRON-II
[06:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
[06:44] <Babs_> where are you Herby?
[06:44] <Upu> excellent
[06:46] <Upu> p.s babs learn 2 integer :)
[06:47] <Babs_> yes, its somewhat annoying
[06:47] <Babs_> but that was the point of the test i guess...
[06:47] <Upu> indeed
[06:47] <Upu> the clever people could probably make you a filter to fix that on the fly
[06:49] <Babs_> it was discussed
[06:49] <Babs_> as long as i have the stats afterwards I can do it in excel
[06:49] <Babs_> excel is totally my domain
[06:49] <Upu> :)
[06:50] <Upu> so it will climb higher than yesterday then burst
[06:50] <Upu> is the very normal profile for these
[06:51] <Upu> if it can stay up long enough Radim will probably go get it back for you
[06:53] <Babs_> yes, it was basically climbing throughout the day until the sun went down, but going up so slowly it never really maxed out
[06:53] <pb0ahx> 571.5 km is the last signaal that i hrd from stabilotron-II
[06:53] <Babs_> this morning it already got a head start to 29km
[06:53] <Babs_> i actually tuned in just as it turned around from descent to ascent
[06:54] <Babs_> Thanks for tracking pb0ahx
[06:54] <pb0ahx> he is coming up agn
[06:54] <pb0ahx> ur welcome
[06:58] <Babs_> upu - how do i show the blue ring around the balloon on the tracker?
[06:58] <Upu> don't use signed integers :)
[06:59] <Babs_> ahhh. stupid code, stupid question....
[06:59] <Babs_> its totally future proofed if it lands in the dead sea. There is always an upside.
[07:00] <pb0ahx> the stats list for STABILITRON-II is closed ???
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[07:08] <Babs_> I got 36 hours out of the batteries when I tested in the house
[07:08] <Babs_> which would see it to 2100 if it lasts that long/temperature doesn't pull it down
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[07:54] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:54] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[08:03] <edmoore> oh wow what fun
[08:03] <edmoore> you go away fro the night and come back to see the world's most engineered and expensive payload is defecting to russia
[08:03] <edmoore> like a sort of reverse mig25
[08:04] <PE2BZ> they will send it back. From Russia, with love ;-)
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[08:08] <Upu> Might be wrong but I don't think its got the mechanical bits on it, just a tracker
[08:12] <edmoore> o
[08:12] <Babs_> all successful space projects have gone over budget edmoore
[08:12] <edmoore> fine then
[08:12] <Babs_> but yes, it is just one of these that has gone up this time https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/27583891442/in/album-72157636929911016/
[08:13] <Upu> Duplo SMD :)
[08:13] <Babs_> Upu - don't twist the knife
[08:13] <Upu> Very tidy
[08:13] <Babs_> those sd card holders are a bugg3r to get on
[08:14] <Upu> using a stencil ?
[08:14] <Babs_> Every other key component i've got a 95% success rate, the sd card no more than 50%
[08:14] <Babs_> ye
[08:14] <Babs_> *yes
[08:14] <Babs_> they were offering a free one with pcb orders
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[08:40] <TIBS01> ...............
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[09:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-11
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[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:17] <pb0ahx> wow some times he coming up agn $$kTABILOTRON-II,4133,10;16:39l495429,12n90[0.-;236.466,44.w01,1^;.318,#1.93V33.93,20.68*5F=E
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[10:40] <fsphil> it's still going?!
[10:40] <daveake> yes
[10:40] <daveake> slowly descending atm
[10:40] <fsphil> ooh maybe a slow leak
[10:40] <daveake> yeah looks odd
[10:41] <number10> would have expected a burst by now
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[10:41] <daveake> settling
[10:41] <daveake> yeah very unusual to survive the morning
[10:41] <fsphil> impressive
[10:42] <jcoxon> its doing really well
[10:42] <fsphil> the balloon might out live the battery sadly
[10:42] <daveake> all my floaters have done
[10:43] <jcoxon> i reckon the batt will go on longer then Babs_ thinks
[10:43] <number10> my one ran out of trackers in russia
[10:43] <daveake> but they would probably have run out of listeners soon after
[10:43] <jcoxon> they perform better at altitude
[10:43] <daveake> Hoping to do a balloon chain this winter
[10:44] <jcoxon> daveake, that'll be awesome
[10:44] <fsphil> echo net
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[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
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[11:31] <Babs_> I tested the batteries on the ground, got 36 hours
[11:32] <Babs_> would have been very easy to hook up a few more batteries and get it going longer, but not really the point of the test
[11:32] <Babs_> now i wish i had though
[11:32] <Babs_> it was 1600g balloon so wouldn't have made much difference to the height i think to put on a couple of extra AAs
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[12:14] <Laurenceb__> the very slowly descending balloon
[12:14] <Laurenceb__> its rather odd
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[12:19] <Vaizki> well it's already 3pm around here so maybe cooling down?
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[12:22] <PE2BZ> Babs_ send a drone to replace batteries ;-)
[12:22] <pb0ahx> Babs_, u dit a good job tnx was nice to follow this ballon
[12:23] <pb0ahx> some times i hrd him agn
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[12:45] <Babs_> Thanks pb0ahx - the antenna dragged on launch otherwise the signal would have been better - thanks for tracking
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[15:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NERDPI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDPI
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[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DO7EN-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO7EN-11
[15:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NERDLO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NERDLO
[15:27] Nick change: Mack_ -> Mack
[15:39] <Upu> excellent float#
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[16:07] <daveake> It is. Interesting that it's been slowly descending since it rose in the morning
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[16:29] <Laurenceb__> I think it must have a pinhole leak
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[17:30] <OM1ATS> STABILOTRON-II has a problem with modulation :(
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[17:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> batteries running out
[17:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> babs estimated 36hours and we are there
[17:37] <Babs_> RIP Stabilotron-II. You served us well.
[17:37] <Babs_> thanks everyone - really fun weekend for me :-)
[17:38] <mattbrejza> at least hte batteries lasted long enough to see what would become of it
[17:40] <PE2BZ> It was fun indeed !
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[17:46] <Ralph_W0RPK> \help
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[17:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> .. /help maybe ?
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[18:55] <Babs_> hi everyone - are payload stats only uploaded at the end of the day? I've gone to download the flight data for the weekend but it looks as if its only got until midnight last night
[18:55] <mattbrejza> flight doc ran out
[18:56] <Babs_> no way!
[18:56] <mattbrejza> its still all saved, just not under the flight
[18:56] <mattbrejza> (i assume thats the reason anyway)
[18:57] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NuXvpH5oVU
[18:57] <mattbrejza> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22364bb5be7bdc4839b5339a7744b88a79%22]&endkey=[%22364bb5be7bdc4839b5339a7744b88a79%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers,sentence_id,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,speed,satellites,target_bearing,target_elevation,battery,temperature_internal_1,temperature_internal_2,temperature_external is all the data ever from that payload
[18:59] <Babs_> ha ha fsphil
[18:59] <Babs_> I think I have two stab-II payloads because that doesn't contain the data, but now I know the way I will be able to find it. Thanks mattbrejza
[19:00] <mattbrejza> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22364bb5be7bdc4839b5339a7744b88a79%22,1474631953]&endkey=[%22364bb5be7bdc4839b5339a7744b88a79%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers,sentence_id,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,speed,satellites,target_bearing,target_elevation,battery,temperature_internal_1,temperature_internal_2,temperature_external doesnt have all the testing
[19:01] <Babs_> perfect. many thanks mattbrejza. Now to correct for my coding errors....
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[19:21] <Upu> Babs_:
[19:21] <Upu> its back
[19:21] <Babs_> WHAT?
[19:21] <Upu> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=6&qm=All&mc=49.59836,13.52253&f=STABILOTRON-II&q=STABILOTRON-II
[19:22] <Babs_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuCIGvsbMA
[19:23] <sondefreak> where can i find infos about the payload? @stabilotron
[19:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> it probably got warmer as its going down fast
[19:23] <Upu> speak to Babs_ sondefreak
[19:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, not fricton warm :)
[19:24] <Babs_> sondefreak what do you need?
[19:24] <Babs_> it was on 434.675 but others probably have more up to date dial frequency
[19:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> 434.647?
[19:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !dial e71e
[19:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial STABILOTRON-II
[19:26] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:27] <mattbrejza> someone is going to find a half inflated balloon in their field tomorrow...
[19:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> verry strong on http://sdr.packetradio.at:8901/
[19:34] <sondefreak> its nearby, yeah
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[19:34] <sondefreak> s1 msg to local ham?
[19:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> it have restarted, it on seq nr 69
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[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> last packets
[19:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> $$QTABILOTRON-IY,82,19:38:33,48.4369,15.2156,174.848,11.563,15,293,0,3.227,31.93,31.93,1.1a0d$$STABILOTRON-LI$8S,Y:VT8.4364,15.215,0706427,\.391,Q5293,0,3.236,31.93,31.9,2.81*5p5E ~$$S(ABIHORN-I/84,19:39]14,48459V15.21t9,1670*223,9.830,15,293,0,3.218,31.93,31.31.91.3 Du }$$STABILOTRGN-I,85,59:3y:37,48*4#56,1.21<3,0628/R67$1.62U15,L0,3.2;6,31.92,31*93,1.81*F764 $ SDA"ILTROJ-iIl86V19:;95,4].43561
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[19:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont lnow how accurate this is but predicted landning
[19:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=1cf97fdd0e679f0e4ac38b98797446ccffe9e097
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[20:56] <garymortimer> anybody know of good opensource weather sonde decoders? In particular iMET-AA ones. 2400 AFSK I think
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[21:30] <Babs_> In no way revolutionary but interesting experimental altitude vs. temperature vs. the ideal from the data yesterday
[21:30] <Babs_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/29813456132/in/dateposted-public/
[21:30] <arko> nice
[21:31] <Babs_> hey arko
[21:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :) very nice
[21:31] <Laurenceb__> some solar heating going on there
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[21:31] <arko> yo yo Babs_
[21:31] <chris> hi there. is the channel up and running again then?
[21:32] Nick change: chris -> Guest83938
[21:32] <Babs_> the sensor was on the underside so shielded from the sun, but it went up over a period of 6 hours so will have suffered distortion on the way through
[21:34] <Guest83938> Sorry to interupt your chat babs but I just wanted to put a message up that I still plan to launch tomorrow. I made a post to the google group but it didn't get posted this weekend
[21:36] <Babs_> hey no worries, is a public channel. good luck with the launch. is it your first?
[21:37] <Guest83938> Errr flight 56...so...**LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT** I will be launching SCOOBY PITS from the Welshpool area tomorrow between 15:00 and 16:00 I will be broadcasting on 434.250 USB
[21:37] <Guest83938> The document is in the system - 35818c1a9c0152502321617e06c03fb7
[21:39] <Guest83938> I just wanted to put it out there and hopefully someone may listen. The winds will be strong tomorrow so it is very unlikely I will be able to listen in between the launch site and landing site...somewhere in the region of Aylesbury /Bucks
[21:39] <Guest83938> Thanks guys - sorry again for the interuption - Chris M6LZY
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[21:44] <arko> Babs_: i once ploted my data against the ISO standard too :P http://imgur.com/a/JdDqw
[21:44] <arko> good times
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[21:47] <adamgreig> oh cool arko :
[21:47] <adamgreig> :) *
[21:47] <adamgreig> i like how the temperature doesn't quite cut out
[21:47] <adamgreig> wonder what's up with the pressure error between 45k and 65kft
[21:47] <arko> yeah, i think the sensor i was using capd out at -40c
[21:48] <arko> but yeah, the pressure wiggles do make me wonder
[21:48] <adamgreig> wouldn't be surprised if there were some self heating things too
[21:48] <arko> maybe turbulence or layer transition?
[21:48] <arko> oh good point
[21:49] <adamgreig> interesting that it'd hold at -40 tho
[21:49] <adamgreig> but it seems to wiggle above it
[21:49] <arko> if i recally correctly it was a digital pressure/temp sensor
[21:49] <arko> i gotta look it up
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[21:50] <arko> this was all for a college lab course
[21:50] <arko> on instrumentation and measurment
[21:50] <arko> they told us, pick a project, measure something, write about it
[21:50] <arko> good times
[21:51] <adamgreig> sweet
[21:52] <arko> ah yes
[21:52] <arko> BMP085
[21:53] <arko> this was the hab that landed on the power line and the power company called me saying they found my science experiment'
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[21:56] <Babs_> nice arko
[21:56] <Babs_> i would love to do physics a-level again and do some proper experimenting
[21:57] <arko> :)
[22:01] <Babs_> altitude with time https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/29814005622/in/dateposted-public/
[22:01] <arko> oh nice
[22:01] <arko> floating
[22:02] <arko> you mentioned 6hrs before hehe
[22:02] <Babs_> ?
[22:03] <arko> your hab was a floater?
[22:05] <Babs_> yes, worked well in the end, didn't get the 6 hours but that might have been if it burst ? 2m/s climb rate * 3600 * 6 is approx 43k, and the reported burst was 42k
[22:05] <Babs_> in the end it never got above 35.5 for some reason
[22:05] <arko> ah
[22:06] <Babs_> but got the climb rate down to a single m/s which considering it was set up outdoors and a 1600g balloon was not bad
[22:06] <Babs_> have worked out a bit of a launch wheeze for larger balloons
[22:06] <Babs_> hold it half way up the neck, so it doesn't act like a sail
[22:06] <arko> woah, outdoors
[22:07] <arko> barely got it right indoors when i tried
[22:07] <Babs_> then give it a couple of twists before you release it, so then it doesn't go sail like until a few seconds later when it untwists, but by that time its a few metres off the ground
[22:08] <Babs_> i made the mistake of not running alongside the balloon, so it whammed one side of the ground plane, but ended up working ok
[22:08] <Babs_> when i say half way up the neck, i mean half way up the balloon, twist everything below it
[22:09] <arko> haha
[22:09] <arko> struggle is real
[22:09] <Babs_> definitely
[22:11] <Babs_> right, off to bed, catch up later
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> looks like you picked up a slow leak somehow
[22:12] <arko> night!
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> also - 2m/s will give a float
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> cya
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[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Also - skin oils BaBS.
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