highaltitude.log.20160915

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[06:19] <PE2BZ> !whats up
[06:19] <PE2BZ> !flights
[06:19] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03John Masefield High School Launch 10(e069), 03BALYOLO20 10(9a52), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[08:22] <AndyEsser> morning
[08:22] <gonzo_> antyhing from ofcom in today's post?
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[08:24] <AndyEsser> it's 9.24... like the post has been delivered yet
[08:24] <AndyEsser> and also, I'm in the office :P
[08:24] <AndyEsser> hopefully tonight, maybe
[08:24] <AndyEsser> but I'm not really expecting anything until next week
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[08:24] <AndyEsser> hoping I've got a callsign before next weekend for the drive down to cosford
[08:25] <AndyEsser> :)
[08:26] <Andrew_M0NRD> if you have your candidate number you can keep trying the ofcom site, the RSGB tend to send info to them the day before positing out the certificate
[08:26] <AndyEsser> I don't have the candidate number
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[08:28] <AndyEsser> although searching my inbox for "rsgb candidate number" autocompletes to "rsgb canidate number xkn117493549"
[08:28] <Andrew_M0NRD> pity it was on top of the exam and answer sheet.. always tell our candidates to make a note of it
[08:28] <AndyEsser> YEA
[08:28] <AndyEsser> oops, yea
[08:28] <AndyEsser> should've made a note :(
[08:29] <fsphil> there's no rush
[08:30] <Andrew_M0NRD> to be honest they don't send them out anymore until the 6 days have elapsed
[08:30] <AndyEsser> probably takes that long to get the zimmerframe out and move across the office
[08:30] <AndyEsser> :P
[08:31] <Andrew_M0NRD> now now.. poor Carole is a really nice person and very helpful
[08:31] <AndyEsser> sorry
[08:31] <AndyEsser> bad habits rubbing off on me
[08:32] <Andrew_M0NRD> lol.. ;-)
[08:33] Action: AndyEsser puts himself in the naughty corner
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[08:34] <fsphil> careful, the results might accidently get lost :)
[08:35] <Vaizki> it took a whole 2 days for our version of ofcom to process my license.. sometimes our government actually works
[08:36] <Andrew_M0NRD> I believe the 6 day delay was added to allow complaints/objections etc to be dealt with..
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[08:36] <Vaizki> objections to AndyEsser's license?
[08:37] <Andrew_M0NRD> lol.. conduct of the examinations and irregularites
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[08:41] <daveake> The only one that would stick is "I was disturbed my amell's yawning" :)
[08:42] <daveake> by
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[08:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> have heard one apocryphal story where a candidate complained about the invigulator who kept breaking wind
[08:52] <Vaizki> ooo I learned a new word today
[08:55] <gonzo_> wind?
[08:55] <gonzo_> would farting be QRM or QRN?
[08:55] <Vaizki> invigulator.. :P
[08:56] <gonzo_> sounds like a sex toy
[08:57] <Vaizki> it's qrm if the sound has harmonics on the bad you're on
[08:57] <Vaizki> BAND
[08:59] <daveake> It's the duty cycle that matters
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[09:00] Action: PE2BZ know knows that the FB button on the Icom must be a farth blanker
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[09:01] <gonzo_> I;d usually assumed that anything man made is QRM, ant natural thing, cosmic/lightning/rain static, is QRN
[09:01] <gonzo_> but farting is natural and man made
[09:01] <fsphil> QRF
[09:02] <PE2BZ> Can a female create QRM ?
[09:02] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: QRM - it's manmade
[09:02] <gonzo_> QRF - "Where are you bound from?"
[09:03] <gonzo_> can't be too bound if farting
[09:03] <AndyEsser> M3FAR/T
[09:03] Action: AndyEsser needs /T to be a thing
[09:04] <gonzo_> it was for television a long time ago
[09:04] <fsphil> WSPR .. silent but deadly
[09:04] <PE2BZ> I Guess /T is when you are teleporting between job and home
[09:05] <gonzo_> at elevensies time
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP3EKH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP3EKH-11
[09:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP3EKH-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP3EKH-10
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[09:17] Action: AndyEsser can only remember /M
[09:18] <AndyEsser> should probably make an effort to remember some of this stuff before I surf the airwaves
[09:18] <AndyEsser> :P
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALYOLO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALYOLO
[09:19] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser Don´t . The Really Really OM ´s (old mans) will remind you if you do anything wrong ;-)
[09:20] <AndyEsser> O I'm sure
[09:20] <AndyEsser> would just rather have some sort of idea of what I'm doing to start with :P
[09:20] <AndyEsser> CQ CQ CQ CQ this is M4NDY CQ CQ
[09:20] <AndyEsser> and then erm...
[09:20] <AndyEsser> no idea
[09:20] <AndyEsser> :P
[09:20] <fsphil> mandy?
[09:20] <AndyEsser> thought it'd be amusing :P
[09:20] <fsphil> your alter ego
[09:20] <AndyEsser> M3NDY also works I guess
[09:20] <AndyEsser> if I fix things
[09:21] <gonzo_> m6 at the mo isn't it?
[09:21] <gonzo_> which works also
[09:21] <AndyEsser> STOP RUINING MY FUN GONZO
[09:21] Action: gonzo_ gets coat. Again.
[09:22] <pb0ahx_> !flights
[09:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Current flights: 03John Masefield High School Launch 10(e069), 03BALYOLO20 10(9a52), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[09:22] <fsphil> oh yes, flights today
[09:22] <AndyEsser> o yea
[09:22] <pb0ahx_> 2
[09:22] <AndyEsser> JMHS seems to be running a bit late :P
[09:23] <FuzzyLemon> It's really foggy at the moment. I might delay launch until 12
[09:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks for update FuzzyLemon!
[09:24] <AndyEsser> FuzzyLemon: where abouts are you launching from?
[09:24] <AndyEsser> Bicester/Aylesbury way?
[09:25] <FuzzyLemon> westcott, buckinghamshire
[09:25] <fsphil> fog looks quite nice from above, if you catch it just at sunrise
[09:25] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser add from QTH or Locator and your target, DX, contest, sporadic E and you have all you need to tell ;-)
[09:25] <AndyEsser> QTH I can manage, DX? Contest? Sporadic E?
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just hope the QRM shifts before you fly :-( http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/BALYOLO20_20160915/Screenshot-2016-09-15-102451.png
[09:26] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37372783
[09:26] <AndyEsser> I need to make a RTTY decoder in a box and just get all my friends around the country to stick them in their gardens...
[09:26] <daveake> That's no moon
[09:26] <AndyEsser> fsphil: ha
[09:26] <daveake> Oh wait ...
[09:30] <AndyEsser> FuzzyLemon: good luck with the launch once the fog lifts
[09:30] <FuzzyLemon> thanks!
[09:40] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, our rtty needs people to nurse it along.lora would be a better bet for deployed nodes
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[09:43] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: yea :(
[09:43] <AndyEsser> annoying
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[09:44] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: Ledbury 434 MHz School Balloon launch: Ryan Ing reports he will launch... https://t.co/vWEMxRAxHz #hamradio #ukhas
[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JMHS after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JMHS
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh there up already
[09:51] Action: daveake rushes out to grab 817 and aerial
[09:52] <pb0ahx_> JHMS team GL
[09:52] <daveake> Duct tape error? http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[09:53] <ryan_in> JMHS has been launched
[09:53] <fsphil> that's some fog
[09:54] <daveake> The RTTY sounds really odd ... but then all the SSDV bytes are just a repeated pattern
[09:54] <Upu> ah thats what it is
[09:54] <fsphil> yeah you can 'hear' empty images
[09:54] <ryan_in> Its mostly cleared now. Had trouble getting 3g
[09:54] <daveake> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZDUOfeqY/
[09:54] <Upu> is the camera covered up ryan_in ?
[09:55] <ryan_in> No its not
[09:55] <daveake> Well I'm 10 miles away and no fog here
[09:55] <Upu> strange
[09:55] <ryan_in> facing into the sun?
[09:55] <fsphil> hmm, not improving
[09:55] <daveake> no you wouldn't get this
[09:55] <daveake> in fact, I've never seen this
[09:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> camera cable pulled partially out ?
[09:56] <daveake> might be possible; no idea
[09:57] <fsphil> I've seen it do this if set to night time exposure mode
[09:57] <fsphil> during the day
[09:57] <fsphil> though even in that, there are sometimes details
[09:57] <daveake> yeah it's strange that it seems so consistent
[09:58] <ryan_in> Theres another canon camera on board, so not too worried about not getting ssdv
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial JMHS
[09:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03JMHS 10(e069): 03434.250358 MHz
[09:58] <daveake> The Pi firmware bug doesn't (ime) do this
[09:58] <daveake> I've seen it lock the camera out a couple of times, but then you'd get no pix at all and it'd drop back to telemetry
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[10:01] <ryan_in> Ascent rate is quite low, should I be worried
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope cause you can't change it now ;-)
[10:03] <daveake> Aside from you might end up further into Wales, with its hills and sparse 3G, no.
[10:03] <daveake> Quite Geoff-G8DHE :)
[10:03] Action: AndyEsser packs his tracking gear
[10:04] <fsphil> "Much Cowarne".. wow, such name
[10:04] <daveake> Need an uplink to turn the photos off :)
[10:04] <daveake> fsphil If it's weird placenames, you might lose that one :)
[10:04] <fsphil> there are some odd names around there
[10:05] <daveake> though yeah once in Wales they do get weird
[10:05] <fsphil> "Hope under Dinmore" ... so that's where they keep it
[10:05] <daveake> I've noticed that typing "LLANN.." into the satnav doesn't reduce the possibilities much
[10:06] <fsphil> yes the LL's start appearing when I scroll west
[10:06] <daveake> Llostpayload
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[10:10] <M6OTL> <ryan_in> Should you get the chance - could you say hello to Mr Mayers and Andy Evans at JMHS for me? Say Andrew Rawlins (1988 - 1996) says hello)
[10:11] <WillDuckworth> Rolag
[10:11] <FuzzyLemon> Good luck JMHS! I'm not waiting for the fog to clear any longer. Filling now
[10:11] <M6OTL> Will
[10:12] <WillDuckworth> long time eh! Greg Mayers has retired now
[10:12] <M6OTL> Has he - very long time!
[10:12] <gonzo_> starting to see sigs from Shropshire
[10:12] <garymortimer> Morning all, what a lovely part of the world to motor into to chase JMHS. I may have had a couple of sweet sherries with a few dear friends in Presteigne
[10:13] <gonzo_> lots of pubs for you to recommend
[10:13] <daveake> Maybe I should go out and help them then :p
[10:13] <gonzo_> though not sure the sixth formers will be allowe dto stop off
[10:13] <ryan_in> Will do Andrew Rawkins, Mr Mayers left a while ago, but Mr Evans is still here
[10:13] <tweetBot> @m1bxf: A balloon from John Masefield High School is up on 434.25MHz USB RTTY 300 baud, easy copy in JO02. See https://t.co/rvvu679h5T #ukhas
[10:14] <AndyEsser> it's heading towards me... I should probably get my antenna tuned in
[10:14] <ryan_in> Good luck fuzzy lemon
[10:14] <garymortimer> Yes its what one might call a target rich environment, I'm sure sixth formers would have better knowledge than me
[10:14] <daveake> good day to fly a humidity sensor :)
[10:14] <M6OTL> Ryan_in - Ta!
[10:16] <Ron_g8fjg> new version of fldigi decodes some ssdv packets / old version zero so far ..really bad qrm on 250..
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[10:18] <PE2BZ> Is that fog or a camera problem ?
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[10:22] <gonzo_> looks a bit too much for fig
[10:22] <gonzo_> fogh
[10:22] <gonzo_> fog
[10:22] <daveake> Also, there's a humidity sensor onboard and that says 10.5%
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[10:23] <garymortimer> Oh dear so SSDV is broke in FLDIGI really then
[10:23] <daveake> No it's transmitting empty images
[10:23] <daveake> Which means it's taking empty images
[10:24] <daveake> We don't know why, and it doesn't match the known (and recently fixed) Pi camera i2c issue
[10:24] <garymortimer> Oh...Thats a pity
[10:24] <Rebounder> -200 in CP3EKH, cold
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[10:34] <ryan_in> Ive got 3g but it is very slow
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[10:35] <ryan_in> Struggling to upload anything
[10:36] <garymortimer> The Cafe at Shobdon airfield used to be very good
[10:36] <Upu> its ok for the momenty ryan_in you have good coverage
[10:36] <M6OTL> My aunt and uncle use to run the pub on the airfield 35 years ago
[10:36] <garymortimer> I was just going to mention this one http://www.mortimerscrosspub.co.uk/
[10:37] <ryan_in> Ive seen, I really appreciate it. Hmm which cafe to chose
[10:38] <ryan_in> Do you suggest parking up and waiting it out. GPS on laptop isnt working but we are on the A44 heading to Pembridge
[10:39] <daveake> Can you get your car on the map? That would help us help.
[10:41] <ryan_in> im trying. ive got my ipad and ive checked the mobile station butrton but still no car on map
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[10:42] <daveake> iOS tracker on https://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[10:42] <WillDuckworth> Android app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pexat.habhub.chasecartracker&hl=en_GB
[10:43] <gonzo_> the android one will do a basic rtty decode too. Useful when you are out on foot
[10:45] <daveake> yup, esp when the payload is still moving :p
[10:45] <FuzzyLemon> BALYOLO launching in 10secs
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[10:46] <garymortimer> Balyolo off to see Clarkson
[10:46] <daveake> Hope it's carrying his lunch
[10:46] <garymortimer> Towards Hook Norton, could it be any better
[10:50] <ryan_in> Pronblem with brakes on the car, they were smoking. But should be fine carrying on now
[10:51] <fsphil> eek
[10:51] <daveake> That's a new one for the list of HAB chase difficulties
[10:52] <daveake> Good job there are no hills where you're going
[10:52] <daveake> Oh
[10:52] <garymortimer> Did you add Rhinos for one of ours?
[10:52] <daveake> hah no :)
[10:52] <ryan_in> Ive rung my dad whos a mechanic, he said it should be fine. Fingers crossed
[10:53] <edmoore> balyolo up
[10:53] <edmoore> launch paparazzi: http://i.imgur.com/EEoV9sS.jpg
[10:53] <daveake> Well I have a tow rope in the 4x4 ...
[10:53] <ryan_in> Haha, thanks
[10:54] <garymortimer> Both of these balloons are flying into areas that make me homesick!
[10:54] <number10> I have seen people driving down Wrynose with brakes on all the way, lots of smoke at the bottom
[10:54] <garymortimer> Very cool ;-)
[10:55] <edmoore> quite a hazy day here
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial balyolo
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BALYOLO 3 10(9a52): 03434.5 MHz, 434.45 MHz, 434.5026 MHz, 434.5011 MHz
[10:55] <garymortimer> unseasonably hot I hear
[10:56] <edmoore> yes
[10:56] <edmoore> uncomfortable to work here yesterday
[10:57] <garymortimer> We have had the opposite and expect snow on the weekend. Its 35 last week!
[10:57] <garymortimer> it was 35
[10:58] <garymortimer> JMHS has seen the woods
[10:59] <Upu> balyolo 434.500 not 450
[10:59] <Upu> ignore me
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[10:59] <Upu> I can't read
[11:00] <ryan_in> i've got a pole, so could be interesting
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[11:01] <daveake> The predictor assumes 30km burst - you said 32km, plus it's slower so probably less gas so should go higher than that
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:07] Nick change: fl__0 -> fl_0
[11:07] <daveake> ryan_in: Small think - you have int and ext temperatures swapped. There's a setting to tell the s/w which sensor is which.
[11:07] <daveake> s/k//
[11:08] <AndyEsser> :( my home PC isn't responded
[11:08] <AndyEsser> no tracking for me
[11:08] <daveake> oh, sorry, I appear to be vertically dyslexic
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial balyolo
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BALYOLO 3 10(9a52): 03434.501984 MHz, 434.45 MHz, 434.50085 MHz, 434.5026 MHz, 434.5011 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.5 MHz
[11:10] <ryan_in> Its alrighjt. Im currently in coop car park in Kington
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[11:15] <garymortimer> Living the dream Ryan living the dream
[11:15] <WillDuckworth> Almost certainly a Welsh trip needed
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh early burst ?
[11:22] <daveake> yep
[11:23] <daveake> ryan_in: what make of balloon is that ?
[11:23] <ryan_in> Pawan 1200g
[11:24] <daveake> Pawan ... now there's a surprise :/
[11:24] <ryan_in> Has it burst
[11:24] <Upu> yes
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[11:24] <daveake> Heading for a place called Disco Ed :)
[11:27] <fsphil> groovy
[11:29] <Vaizki> it might just make it over the border.. to the EU .. :)
[11:29] Action: Vaizki hides
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh look its heading for a B&B called Paradise Farmhouse its in heaven!
[11:29] <fsphil> explains the images
[11:30] <PE2BZ> Vaizki I accept abandoned payloads ;-)
[11:32] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/776382870667526144/photo/1
[11:32] <AndyEsser> Learn to fly, they said
[11:32] <AndyEsser> It'll be easy, they said
[11:33] <garymortimer> It is, just make sure you face forward when you get in
[11:34] <PE2BZ> And get the books out of your way !
[11:34] <AndyEsser> ha
[11:34] <AndyEsser> Yea, I'll just read them as I'm flying along
[11:35] <daveake> Current prediction woods on a hill. Nice.
[11:36] <daveake> On the plus side, signal should travel for miles :)
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> A lot of trees around there!
[11:37] <ryan_in> Im still waiting out in Kington.
[11:38] <ryan_in> When do you suggest making a move. Barely enough 3g signal to use irc so I cant see the map at the moment
[11:38] <daveake> At this point you might as well head out towards Presteigne
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Probaly need to head to B4355
[11:38] <AndyEsser> but that's in Wales! you don't want to do that
[11:39] <daveake> It's aiming for the Welsh-English border
[11:39] <AndyEsser> ryan_in: what network are you on?
[11:39] <ryan_in> ee
[11:40] <ryan_in> 3 was sold out
[11:40] <Vaizki> "we are full"
[11:40] <AndyEsser> head to East Radnor Leisure Centre in Presteigne
[11:40] <AndyEsser> it has an EE 4g antenna next to it
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[11:41] <AndyEsser> LD8 2YT
[11:41] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, PPL?
[11:41] <AndyEsser> Ha! Thgere's a town north of Presteigne called "New Invention"
[11:41] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: yarp
[11:42] <Vaizki> isn't that pretty expensive..
[11:42] <AndyEsser> it's cheaper than a house
[11:42] <AndyEsser> more expensive than driving lessons
[11:42] <AndyEsser> define expensive :)
[11:42] <Vaizki> 10k euro territory?
[11:42] <AndyEsser> about that
[11:42] <AndyEsser> ~£7000
[11:42] <AndyEsser> ryan_in: see my above messages?
[11:43] <ryan_in> heading there now. thanks everyone
[11:43] <Vaizki> well I thought you were a struggling entrepreneur! :D
[11:43] <AndyEsser> ryan_in: good luck
[11:43] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: contracting is going well
[11:43] <Vaizki> great to hear
[11:43] <AndyEsser> it was just the first month that was a pain due to a cock up
[11:43] <ryan_in> Yep. Thank you Andy
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[11:44] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: when I've passed... can I fly to your island :)
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Back into England
[11:45] <Vaizki> yes but you can't land on it
[11:45] <Vaizki> so get a seaplane
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[11:45] <Vaizki> or a helicopter
[11:45] <AndyEsser> Yea, seaplane was what I imagined ;)
[11:45] <AndyEsser> nearest airfield?
[11:47] <Vaizki> Genböle, EFGE
[11:47] <Vaizki> it's grass though and ultralights only
[11:48] <Vaizki> but I'll boat out to EFHN for you
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[11:49] <Vaizki> my problem with getting a PPL is really that what would I do then.. fly out to some small town somewhere, have coffee, fly back and end up 400 euros poorer?
[11:50] <Vaizki> I get it flying is fun. It's great to be up there. But still.. hnngh :)
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Vaizki: two words.
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Zombie apocalypse.
[11:50] <AndyEsser> ^
[11:50] <AndyEsser> my #1 reason
[11:50] <AndyEsser> but then
[11:50] <AndyEsser> you don't really need a PPL for tha
[11:50] <AndyEsser> that*
[11:50] <AndyEsser> just know how to fly
[11:50] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:51] <Vaizki> and a plane
[11:51] <pb0ahx_> JMHS team mni tnx for flight
[11:51] <Vaizki> I mean I'd assume that in a zombie apocalypse situation not many of the club's planes would be up for grabs by the time I haul my family out there :D
[11:52] <AndyEsser> Vaizki Hanko would be an interesting flight actually
[11:53] <daveake> Pretty slow descent
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[11:53] <AndyEsser> what's QRL?
[11:54] <AndyEsser> nvm
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[11:56] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, something like a Diamond DA42 will get you to Hanko on a single tank in 7-8 hours
[11:57] <Vaizki> ok extended range tanks on the da42
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be a nice landing spot
[12:05] <daveake> shame ryan is offline still
[12:06] <Upu> 700m ? :)
[12:06] <daveake> Hopefully he followed my advice and went to Presteigne
[12:06] <daveake> 472
[12:06] <Upu> oh still coming down
[12:06] <daveake> 395
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground level is 150 ish
[12:07] <daveake> ta
[12:07] <daveake> going
[12:07] <daveake> gone
[12:07] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: o0o saw a couple of these the other day when I had my lesson
[12:07] <AndyEsser> run on Diesel rather than Avgas
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup back out on the B4362 and on the fileds just outside town!
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> fields even
[12:09] <daveake> yeah that looks easy
[12:09] <AndyEsser> nice convenient road
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://goo.gl/maps/V67dJiG853D2
[12:23] <edmoore> https://www.reddit.com/r/photography/comments/52v61o/help_with_developingscanning_negatives/
[12:23] <Vaizki> even the powerline has sense to go underground before the crash site
[12:24] <Vaizki> that went well then...
[12:24] <russss> edmoore: it seems mean to laugh
[12:25] <Vaizki> feels good though!
[12:27] <edmoore> can't really help it in this case
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[12:28] <pb0ahx_> BALYOLO team mni tnx for nice and good flight for me 73 Herman
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[12:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03habmobile_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=habmobile_chase
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[12:42] <fsphil> habman. the less popular DC character
[12:46] <daveake> Apparently there was one called Hab-Dis
[12:47] <daveake> Popular. Appeared in one comic, once.
[12:47] <gonzo_> a strange layout in the field that BALYOLO is heading for?
[12:47] <gonzo_> private airstrip?
[12:49] <daveake> landing quickly
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Might be a horse gallops looking on streetview
[12:50] <FuzzyLemon> i see it! YAY!
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes a Gallops https://goo.gl/maps/4EThFV2QHMG2
[12:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP3EKH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP3EKH-11
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[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EAT-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-10
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[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CP3EKH-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CP3EKH-10
[13:04] <FuzzyLemon> That was one of the easiest recoveries I've done. Thanks for all the help with tracking :-)
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[13:08] <AndyEsser> FuzzyLemon: you were due an easy recovery :)
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[13:19] <AndyEsser> "1200 bps FSK Beacon on 437.455 MHz (To be switched on over France and India only)"
[13:19] <AndyEsser> aww
[13:19] <AndyEsser> https://amsat-uk.org/2016/09/07/pratham-student-satellite/
[13:20] <craag> Soton's cubesat downlink was planned to only be switched on over soton
[13:20] <craag> yay power budgets
[13:20] <AndyEsser> will hopefully be able to find it (maybe) when it's over france
[13:23] <craag> I wonder how they're doing that
[13:23] <craag> whether it's switched on by uplink, or gps
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> GPS, star-tracker, ... - many ways I guess
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> sun, even
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
[13:24] <Vaizki> I guess we'll at least hear the CW beacon on 2m?
[13:24] <Rebounder> i think a downwards camera that recognizes france/india from orbit.. ;9
[13:25] <craag> huh assumed it was 1U, nope, so anythign is possible :)
[13:25] <AndyEsser> craag: "planned"?
[13:26] <craag> I will be working hard to make a constant beacon possible.
[13:26] <Rebounder> craag: you mean 1U=1liter
[13:26] <craag> When I err get the other projects out of the way..
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> craag: ESP8266 + 34m dish on the bottom.
[13:27] <craag> Yes Rebounder, normally cubesats are done as multiples of 10x10x10cm cubes
[13:27] <craag> With 1 cube being 1 U
[13:27] <craag> 30x10x10 would be a 3U
[13:28] <Rebounder> i like the groundstation: http://www.aero.iitb.ac.in/pratham/groundStation.php
[13:28] <Rebounder> craag: just checking... 1U for me is rack-units :) so this is a 36 x cubesat ;)
[13:29] <Vaizki> it's not even on the ground
[13:29] <PE2BZ> Vaizki just invented the roofStation
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[13:30] <Rebounder> i really like the sched to the left holding equipment
[13:31] <ryan_in> Hi all. I have retrieved the payload JMHS
[13:31] <Darkside_> congrats
[13:32] <ryan_in> Very interesting chase. Had absolutely no 3g signal, and was tracing the payload with the yagi. Tracked it to a house, where the one of the people from the local radio society lives
[13:33] <fsphil> hah
[13:33] <daveake> I had it down to about 150m AGL
[13:33] <daveake> but without 3G you wouldn't know that :/
[13:33] <ryan_in> He was one of the first people I conacted when I started the project. Thank you everyone for helping me track it, and all the help
[13:46] <AndyEsser> Rebounder: yea 1U to me is 1x 19" rack mount item
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL2MF-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2MF-9_chase
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[14:08] <edmoore> daveake: you retweeted this - do you have a link to the poster image at higher res? https://twitter.com/Dan_Aldred/status/776416770995392512
[14:08] <edmoore> it looks like there's a mistake in the poster
[14:10] <edmoore> in that i doubt there's any difference in the service ceiling of an airliner and that stealth bomber
[14:11] <edmoore> but i wonder if they've thought 'spy plane' meaning the sr71 and got their knickers in a twist with something else that is unrelated (the f117) but looks generically stealthy
[14:12] <edmoore> also while googling for the poster, https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Skycademy_Header_v2.png
[14:12] <edmoore> that image is about as helpful as a punch in the nose
[14:16] <spooky__> seems clear to me... airliner < trophospere. Stealth plane > stratosphere.
[14:18] <daveake> edmoore Possibly ... I'll have a look in the shared skycademy; if not I'll ask
[14:18] <Darkside_> yeah that pic is not something you want to see
[14:18] <Darkside_> dont want any diagrams/pictures of balloons near planes
[14:18] <AndyEsser> ha
[14:19] <AndyEsser> curious pilot saw the NOTAM
[14:19] <edmoore> spooky__: stealth planes fly at the same height as airplanes
[14:19] <edmoore> is my point
[14:19] <edmoore> infact that f117 pictured has a slightly lower altitude ceiling than a 747 according to wikipedia (just looked)
[14:19] <edmoore> so yes, it is clear what it's saying but what it's syaing is wrong, as my point
[14:19] Action: SpeedEvil fails in wikipedia speed.
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[14:23] <spooky__> Hmmm the u2 plane operated in the stratosphere. I think thats where the poster is coming from.
[14:24] <edmoore> sure
[14:24] <edmoore> but it's not a u2
[14:25] <edmoore> and u2 wasn't stealth
[14:26] <spooky__> I think it was meant to represent a generic spy plane. Its a shape we all recognise a such.
[14:26] <edmoore> mmmm, but....
[14:26] <edmoore> i recognise it as a lower altitude bomber
[14:26] <edmoore> because that's what it is
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: stop with your damn facts!
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:27] <adamgreig> I was at CERN a few years ago and they had a similar sort of chart of things against altitude
[14:27] <adamgreig> it didn't have low-altitude bombers drawn in the stratosphere
[14:27] <adamgreig> but it did have a weather balloon doing science
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> I question if many people would recognise a U2 today
[14:27] <adamgreig> but the balloon was the same inflation at ground as at high altitude ;(
[14:27] <spooky__> its a poster for educational purposes aimed at a younger audience thats all.
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[14:28] <edmoore> it's almost like science teaching could be improved!
[14:31] <spooky__> The posters audience is probably early teens, its designed to get them interested in the subject... the detail comes later. Its what I think of abstraction and it worked for me.
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[14:34] <nick_> Doing science outreach to teens is a pain.
[14:34] <nick_> Doing any effective science outreach takes a lot of effort.
[14:35] <nick_> (coincidently I'm writing part of a funding application about science outreach right now)
[14:36] <nick_> Chemistry outreach is best.
[14:36] <nick_> Make things go bang, maybe change colours, make funny smells, etc.
[14:37] <nick_> Otherwise the popular things are fun gadgets.
[14:45] <edmoore> so dave gave me the poster
[14:45] <edmoore> the text bubble says '25 KM - ALTITUDE OF A B-2 STEALTH BOMBER'
[14:45] <edmoore> that's definitely just wrong
[14:46] <edmoore> almost certainly getting confused with a U2 spy plane
[14:46] <russss> someone got B-2 and U-2 confused
[14:49] <nick_> Blame Bono
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[15:01] <edmoore> spooked spooky
[15:11] <daveake> One of the few things that Bono isn't to blame for
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[16:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS18 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[16:52] <Flerb> so I haven't been here in a while. anything fun happened in the past 2 years or so?
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ you saw - a couple of years ago
[16:57] <Flerb> think so
[16:57] <Vaizki> I'm here now so fun is forbidden.
[16:58] <Flerb> SpeedEvil: so why did it go so much longer than other HABs?
[16:58] <Vaizki> custom envelope I would venture
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Flerb: having the right film, being pre-stretched before launch, and having a properly designed payload
[16:59] <Flerb> nice
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> The 2016 HAB conference is also online AIUI
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> someone should probably link that
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[17:19] <Flerb> nice
[17:19] <Flerb> i might actually be able to go one year
[17:19] <Flerb> since i'm not 12 anymore
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
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[17:45] <Rebounder> Flerb: ssdv, many floaters, hf-comms via wspr/jt9, LoRa, some of the later stuff
[17:47] <Flerb> ssdv was a thing when last i was here
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[18:00] <edmoore> what's changed with you Flerb?
[18:01] <Flerb> edmoore: personally? a lot
[18:01] <Flerb> finished school
[18:01] <edmoore> GCSEs?
[18:02] <Flerb> edmoore: yep
[18:02] <edmoore> cool
[18:02] <Flerb> did pretty well - now doing Physics, Maths, Further Maths and Spanish at college
[18:02] <Flerb> i like college
[18:03] <edmoore> awesome
[18:03] <edmoore> good combo
[18:03] <edmoore> i did same but DT instead of spanish, which was probs a silly decision
[18:03] <Flerb> much better - no church, can wander in and out as I need to, no uniform
[18:03] <edmoore> but i liked my dr teacher so that was fine
[18:03] <Flerb> teachers are all on a first name basis
[18:04] <edmoore> it does keep getting better as you go on too
[18:04] <Flerb> also got a job at McDonald's which I either severely regret or love depending on what day you ask
[18:05] <edmoore> money and chips
[18:05] <Flerb> exactly
[18:05] <Flerb> also get a discount, which is good for having lunch as there's one near college
[18:06] <Flerb> also I'd like to think i'm now past most of the edgy teenage behavior
[18:07] <Flerb> which is probably something to do with now being at an educational institution that doesn't treat people like cattle
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[18:11] <jakeio> What sort of range can I expect transmitting from the ground up to a payload on 10mW LoRa on 434MHz?
[18:13] <jakeio> I ask as I've decided my A2 Computer Science project will involve 2-way communications with airborne HABs.
[18:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not sure if daveake used a small PA or not but I would have thought 200Kms slant range, but will depend on just what the HAB can hear
[18:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> from its height
[18:15] <daveake> mine have been on 868, no pa
[18:16] <jakeio> Was that using a Yagi or just a 1/4 wave antenna?
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[18:17] <daveake> remember that the ISM limits are ERP, no if you use a yagi you should turn the power down by the gain ratio
[18:17] <daveake> we all do this
[18:17] <daveake> of course
[18:17] <daveake> cough
[18:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I keep a spare rheostat kcicking about for that purpose
[18:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> don't we all ?
[18:18] <daveake> Well in lora it's done in s/w :)
[18:19] <miek> i thought we made excuses about cable losses probably evening it all out
[18:19] <daveake> yeah
[18:19] <daveake> just watch out for ofcom flying habs to pick up your evil transmissions
[18:20] <daveake> Matt Brejza did some 434 lora uplinks with a whip, no PA, and got good results. Dunno what range
[18:21] <jakeio> Ah, right, that's good to know. I have a very ambitious project design involving a remote access portal for HABs.
[18:22] <miek> https://twitter.com/embeddedsec/status/776479918116835328 woot, gnuradio lora module (soon)
[18:22] <daveake> oh wait I did do 434 upload :)
[18:23] <daveake> I had that 3-balloon network ... the airborne balloons were receiving nicely from the payloads waiting to launch
[18:25] <daveake> Guessing 50 miles uplink - by that time I'd launched the last one
[18:25] <jakeio> Right, that's very nice to know indeed!
[18:25] <daveake> When the winds change I'll do that again, with SSDV repeating
[18:31] <craag> We had chasecar -> 40km hab, no problem at all, even when directly underneath
[18:31] <craag> power was 10mW
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[18:57] <ryan_in> For anyone who wants to know why the SSDV images on the JMHS payload were so white. It was due to over exposure, if you look closely you can see some detail. I never checked the ssdv stream before launch
[19:02] <bertrik> how do I disable channel 0 on the lora shield in lora-gateway?
[19:03] <daveake> Put a # at the start of the frequency line
[19:03] <daveake> ryan_in: did you manually set the exposure then?
[19:04] <bertrik> we took the 1.8.1 config and updated to 1.8.3 but things stopped working, now not even seeing RSSI
[19:06] <daveake> No rssi means dio5 error
[19:07] <edmoore> following the instructions to build a 'ematch cutdown' you found somewhere on the wiki https://gfycat.com/NimbleMeaslyCavy
[19:07] <ryan_in> daveake: Nope, and it was working fine in testing. My fault if I had seen it before I could of done something about it
[19:09] <daveake> The camera software controls exposure, so that's very odd if you didn't set the exposure yourself
[19:09] <Maxell> bertrik: I setup the current "nano gateway.txt" with a fresh copy.
[19:10] <Maxell> It has channel 0 disabled by means of an #
[19:10] <Maxell> However it is still trying to open up channel 0./
[19:10] <daveake> I'm out I'll take a look later
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[19:11] <kd2eat> Hello. I've got a pico in the air. Can someone kindly add kd2eat-10 to the hysplit updates?
[19:12] <Maxell> daveake: oki
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[19:12] <Maxell> We could try rolling back the update, bertrik
[19:12] <Maxell> bertrik: ah, doing that right now as we speak
[19:17] <bertrik> 1.8.1 from sept 4 does still work :)
[19:18] <bertrik> so the hardware is still fine
[19:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5KMP-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
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[19:36] <daveake> 1.8.4 pushed
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[19:36] <daveake> fixes the problem with not starting properly if one channel is disabled and not physically present
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[20:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03smttmd4166a419062_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=smttmd4166a419062_chase
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[20:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[21:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-2
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[22:00] <SpeedEvil> On the topid of ssdv
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Mission/index.php
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> 'October-December 2016 - Pluto data playback ends
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[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:29] <fsphil> very slow. better range than the typical ssdv too :)
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[23:46] <Darkside_> hrm
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