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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB9SKY-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB9SKY-11
[00:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC9LHW-11 after 03a month silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
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[06:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:49] <BubUK> Failed for URL 'http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_..
[07:49] <BubUK> curl_easy_perform() failed: HTTP response code said error
[07:49] <BubUK> the lora gateway is broken again ...
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[07:57] <daveake> If you grab my latest, it removes CR when it parses the config file
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[07:58] <BubUK> morning Dave. I'm using 1.8.1
[07:59] <daveake> And do you get the error on every upload?
[08:00] <BubUK> sms file not working again now. i removed the trailing slash to no avail
[08:00] <daveake> All these things work for me
[08:01] <daveake> I'm afk most of the day but I suggest you send your config file to me later
[08:01] <BubUK> sure. will have a play first and see if i can get it working. the only change ive made to the previously working config was the backslash in gateway.txt
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[08:18] <pe2bz_> BubUK just for info, over here no errors , either with enable habitat Y or N
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[08:32] <BubUK> pe2bz: loose connection on gps antenna was the cause so no fix so was giving errors. looks okay now.
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[08:35] <PE2BZ> BubUK good to hear. Every now and then, when I start the gateway I get one curl_easy message which disappears and does not come back.
[08:36] <BubUK> i dont thin sms uplink is working. it was fine earlier in the week.
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[08:38] <PE2BZ> I did never use SMS uplink. Can you explain how it´s supposed to work ?
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[08:46] <daveake> You create a something.SMS file on the gateway, and that file gets uploaded next cycle to the tracker
[08:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> would realy like to know what ic on thios board, closet I got is a reg710 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DC-DC-Converter-dc-1-8V-3V-3-7V-5V-to-3-3V-dc-Boost-Buck/32714463968.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.90.60ZoLL&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10033_10059_10032_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_
[08:46] <PE2BZ> 2h14 min till foxhunt HAB launch from the Bilt for frequencies https://www.ballonvossenjacht.nl/frequenties/
[08:46] <daveake> Once the telemetry indicates that the file has been received (there's a message-number field) then the gateway deletes it
[08:47] <daveake> Although I added this for uploading little messages to display on an LED matrix, it could be used for uploading commands etc
[08:48] <daveake> Re the SERA stuff that Steve was talking about yesterday, this is all in Appendix 2 of https://www.caa.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4294975756
[08:48] <daveake> I look forward to the mailing list wombats discussing the implications :/
[08:48] <PE2BZ> SA6BSS-Mike long shot: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2734.pdf ?
[08:49] <BubUK_> daveake: gateway.txt has sms as "SMS/" and nothing is sent whether or not I include the slash. Has something changed ?
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop, it should have 1.8v min inp and fiexed 3.3v out with just 3 capacitors
[08:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> tnc anyway
[08:50] <PE2BZ> daveake thanks for explanation. SMS messages are not added to SSDV images if I understand right ?
[08:50] <SA6BSS-Mike> PE2BZ: where will foxhunt hab launch from ?
[08:50] <PE2BZ> From the KNMI in De Bilt (Utrecht)
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[08:50] <PE2BZ> Need a google map link ?
[08:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> I got it :)
[08:52] <PE2BZ> Mike what is the housing type of the chip ?
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats out of range for me anyway if not going 30-40m/s to notheast
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> sot-25
[08:52] <SA6BSS-Mike> its realy like the reg710 but better power hadeling 150 vs 60mA
[08:54] <PE2BZ> sot-6 ? sot-25 mostly have 5 pins ?
[08:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> well I have the reg710, I put on a test board and see if I get it going, its boardline on power consumption
[08:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes u are right, sot6
[08:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/reg71055.pdf
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[08:58] <daveake> PE2BZ: No, these are nothing to do with SSDV
[08:58] <daveake> However, if you wanted to, you could quite easily use the process_image script to add the latest uploaded message to the SSDV overlay
[08:59] <daveake> That's a neat idea, thanks :)
[09:06] <PE2BZ> Your welcome ;-)
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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03clio_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=clio_chase
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[09:48] <DL7AD_> Hi
[09:49] <LazyLeopard> ...and thanks to all involved in organising yesterday's conference. A very interesting day. :)
[09:49] <DL7AD_> Heading back to Berlin from Cambridge
[09:49] <DL7AD_> Currently waiting for the rail replacement service
[09:50] <DL7AD_> :/
[09:50] <LazyLeopard> Good luck. Hope the rest of the journey is smoother!
[09:50] <PE2BZ> Hop on a Hab ?
[09:52] <DL7AD_> Rofl
[09:52] <DL7AD_> that would be fine
[09:52] <PE2BZ> the RS41 would require swimsuit however :-(
[09:52] <DL7AD_> Unless it lands in the water
[09:56] <Darkside_> PE2BZ: realy looking forward to when they fly those here in austrralia :-)
[09:57] <PE2BZ> Darkside_ the RS41 you mean ? Here in Holland it will be about the 2nd month of 2017 when they ran out of RS92´s
[09:57] <PE2BZ> What´s currently flewn in Australia ?
[09:57] <Darkside_> heh
[09:57] <Darkside_> RS92SGPs
[09:57] <Darkside_> i did ring up and ask when they will be switching to RS41s
[09:58] <Darkside_> they didnt really have an answer
[09:58] <PE2BZ> Production officially ended in 2016 so there will be something new
[09:58] <Darkside_> we must have a recent stock of RS92s
[09:58] <Darkside_> ok
[09:58] <Darkside_> interesting
[09:58] <Darkside_> but yeah, the RS41 is amazing
[09:58] <Darkside_> balloon trackers, falling from the sies
[09:58] <Darkside_> skies*
[09:58] <Darkside_> ones we can actually re-use
[09:58] <PE2BZ> Difficult to decode without SDR or discriminator output however !
[09:59] <Darkside_> mm
[09:59] <Darkside_> i'd be using an airspy + SDR#
[09:59] <PE2BZ> I re-use the RS92 also
[09:59] <Darkside_> how?
[09:59] <PE2BZ> That will do
[09:59] <Darkside_> there isnt much on them to re-use is there?
[09:59] <Darkside_> has anyone figured out the sensor board?
[10:00] <PE2BZ> The easiest re-use: cut the GPS antenna, mount it to some semi-rigid coax and use it as gps antenna for ublox or other GPS ´es
[10:00] <Darkside_> heh
[10:00] <Darkside_> yeah i guess
[10:01] <Darkside_> the rest of it is pretty much useless, the transmitter wont get lock above 420mhz
[10:01] <Darkside_> and the 70cm band here starts at 430mhz
[10:01] <Darkside_> so its not like i can re-tune it to the amateur band and re-fly
[10:01] <PE2BZ> The second: Disable TX part, remove bandpass at 1575 MHz (3 of them) and bypass with smd cap from TX part, feed with 5 Volt, connect output to 2nd or 3th amplifier stage and be suprised about the reception of inmarsat and or irridium
[10:02] <PE2BZ> Some mod describes a mixer with existing parts on the pcb to get on 70 cm
[10:02] <Darkside_> hmm interesting idea on the iridium stuff
[10:02] <Darkside_> that is a good idea...
[10:04] <Darkside_> but has anyone figured out the sensor board? it would be cool to be able to re-use the temp sensor
[10:05] <PE2BZ> https://goo.gl/photos/UDwPUkg6wjZcPQXu8
[10:05] <Darkside_> surely you'd want to disable the micro though?
[10:06] <PE2BZ> Just cut the power :-)
[10:06] <Darkside_> heh
[10:07] <russss> hah, I completely missed that there's engineering works on the trains today
[10:07] <russss> yay, rail replacement bus...
[10:07] <Darkside_> PE2BZ: very cool, i might have to try that
[10:08] <Darkside_> will need a hot air gun..
[10:09] <PE2BZ> I mounted one outdoor in a PVC pipe however in 6 months it filled up with water. Used 2 cables in a one cable througput (swivel ?) and it sucked itself full with water.
[10:09] <PE2BZ> But I can make a new one in an hour or so ;-)
[10:09] <Darkside_> heh
[10:09] <Darkside_> yeah i have coax going all over the house here
[10:10] <Darkside_> no power cabls though...
[10:10] <PE2BZ> I had coax and USB in one swivel
[10:10] <Darkside_> would be nicer to power it via bias tee
[10:10] <PE2BZ> not good....
[10:10] <PE2BZ> bias tee +1
[10:10] <PE2BZ> one cable fits all :-)
[10:10] <Darkside_> sounds like fun anyway, i have a spare N-type up a mast, might put one of these on the end of it :-)
[10:11] <PE2BZ> russss if you need someone to talk to ;-)
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[10:11] <Darkside_> i think theres an old rotator control cable to that mast too... hmm
[10:11] <PE2BZ> But before mounting @ mast check if 1 , 2 or 3 gain stages gives best result.
[10:12] <PE2BZ> 3 was way to much signal and hard to stop oscillating
[10:12] <Darkside_> mmk
[10:12] <Darkside_> aha, just found this end of the rotator control cable..
[10:12] <Darkside_> (i'm renting a house owned by a ham)
[10:13] <PE2BZ> Nice !
[10:13] <Darkside_> (house came with 10m tower, 3-element yagi, and 3 antenna mounts on teh roof with coax to them)
[10:13] <PE2BZ> https://www.ballonvossenjacht.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/1473587044964-2034406282.jpg payload of the foxhunting balloon
[10:14] <Darkside_> lol wat
[10:15] <PE2BZ> ATV @ 23 cm, 2 m <> 70 cm transponder and beacon on 2 meter
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[10:16] <Darkside_> oh nice
[10:16] <Darkside_> FM transponder?
[10:16] <Darkside_> or linear
[10:16] <Darkside_> we did an FM one made out of old motorola handhelds
[10:17] <Darkside_> next one is probably going to be an alinco handheld
[10:17] <PE2BZ> FM. I am AFC for a moment. (Away for Coffee )
[10:17] <Darkside_> kk
[10:17] <Darkside_> i am AFC too
[10:17] <Darkside_> (away for cleaning)
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[10:23] <Darkside_> PE2BZ: is that a u.fl connector you'v esoldered to the pcb?
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[10:37] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
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[10:59] <PE2BZ> Darkside_ indeed it is, leftover from another experiment ;-)
[11:02] <cm13g09> 3D printers..... awkward little sods
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:05] <PE2BZ> Darkside_ on other tests I used semi rigid or RG58 (for 2 meter length no problem)
[11:08] <Darkside_> ok
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[11:12] <PE2BZ> Sonde has lift off beacon on 145.450 FM
[11:22] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Thanks to all who organised the #UKHAS 2016 conference yesterday! Had a great time, great to see you all :D https://t.co/cexut7PCia
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[11:43] <Laurenceb__> hi everyone, Conference was v good this year
[11:48] <Vaizki> hi, yes rub it in please :)
[11:48] <Laurenceb__> heh
[11:48] <Laurenceb__> stupid aliens thing has got me modelling entry of dust particles
[11:48] <Laurenceb__> I'd say jury is still out, but it might just turn out to be feasible
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[11:49] <PE2BZ> DL7AD_ railroad internet ?
[11:50] <DL7AD_> Yes
[11:50] <DL7AD_> Drinving through tunnels all the time
[11:50] <Vaizki> use znc or irccloud..
[11:51] <Laurenceb__> dust gets to 120C in my most optimistic model
[11:51] <Vaizki> when entering the atmosphere?
[11:52] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[11:53] <DL7AD__> I will try later
[11:53] <PE2BZ> Good trip home !
[11:53] <Ian_> Home again and catching up on the log fast . . . marmalade indeed! Great weekend, convenient to be able to drive to, couldn't contemplate trying to manage more than 6lbs of honey if travelling public transport
[11:53] <SIbot> In real units: 6 lbs = 2.7 kg
[11:54] <jakeio> We have an SI bot! That's wonderful!
[11:54] <Darkside_> haha
[11:54] <Ian_> Missed putting a face to amell and gonzo - next year perhaps
[11:54] <jakeio> 55lbs
[11:54] <SIbot> In real units: 55 lbs = 24.9 kg
[11:55] <jakeio> 10ft
[11:55] <SIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[11:55] <jakeio> Wonderful!
[11:55] <Darkside_> 1 yard
[11:55] <Darkside_> 1 yd
[11:55] <Darkside_> aww
[11:56] <jakeio> 1yard
[11:56] <jakeio> 1yd?
[11:56] <PE2BZ> Darkside yard is not defined. Otherwise there could never be a movie ¨the longest yard¨
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[11:58] <DL7AD__> Ian_ I had a rail replacement. Took me 2h to get to Royston. But the train goes to London non-stop fortunately
[11:58] <gonzo_> the green mile
[11:59] <gonzo_> 3000 leagues under the sea
[11:59] <DL7AD__> 1NM
[11:59] <jakeio> Are we just finding films with titles containing units of length?
[11:59] <DL7AD__> 1NM
[11:59] <gonzo_> yep. I am anyway
[12:00] <jakeio> Productive! :P
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[12:00] <gonzo_> all I am capable of at the mo
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[12:02] <PE2BZ> I am explaining why sibot does not tell the value of a yard ;-)
[12:06] <jakeio> Isn't 1 yard 36inches or 3ft?
[12:06] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[12:06] <jakeio> Thanks SIbot!
[12:07] <jakeio> Never really use the imperial system, for obvious reasons!
[12:07] <gonzo_> sounds like somethings a'foot
[12:07] <jakeio> Badum tss!
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[12:08] <gonzo_> I have lots of imperial tooling and do a lot of US or old kitt
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[12:08] <gonzo_> so use a mix
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[12:16] <Ian_> DL7AD good to hear that your transport is moving in the right direction without too much problem.
[12:18] <fsphil> http://www.pi6atv.com/
[12:19] <Ian_> sibot is but an infant with a limited repertoire
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[12:26] <PE2BZ> ping SIbot do your homework
[12:26] <fsphil> it likes to go that extra mile
[12:34] <gonzo_> it seems quite inchanting
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[13:08] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[13:08] <Laurenceb__> I need a mesospheric model to model dust entry properly
[13:08] <Laurenceb__> looks like it is actually feasible tho
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> but it depends on the inital orbital parameters of the dust, dust albedo, dust approach angle to earth if it flies towards earth day/night side
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> v v complex to model
[13:10] <Laurenceb__> also, aliens !
[13:11] <edmoore> https://i.imgflip.com/1aep11.jpg
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[13:20] <Laurenceb__> heh
[13:20] <daveake> lol
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[13:21] <Laurenceb__> http://www.eng.biu.ac.il/shefio/files/2012/05/thermal-degradation-of-dna.pdf
[13:22] <Laurenceb__> this only gets more plausible the more you look at it :S
[13:23] <daveake> I think that if you'd been there yesterday edmoore, that guy would probably had a coronary running for the bus to escape
[13:23] <Laurenceb__> hehe
[13:24] <Laurenceb__> well I said to myself that I would destroy him before his talk
[13:24] <Laurenceb__> but then I was semi convinced
[13:25] <Laurenceb__> still too lazy to monte-carlo dust particles hitting thermosphere/mesosphere
[13:27] <daveake> The issue is that so are the charlatans in this semi-scientific crowd
[13:28] <Laurenceb__> sigh
[13:28] <Laurenceb__> why do I have to fix this :P
[13:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[13:29] <Laurenceb__> I guess a more useful question is "can a space based gentle decelerator be made?"
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[13:31] <Laurenceb__> and I might have an idea for that
[13:32] <Laurenceb__> some sort of modified Farnsworth–Hirsch fusor system
[13:32] <Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor#/media/File:Fusor_Mechanism.png
[13:33] <Laurenceb__> imagine reversing the field to decelerate dust particles
[13:33] <Laurenceb__> or something... *back of envelope scribbling*
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[14:00] <DL7AD__> Laurenceb_ well. His research is not false . But I think the methods he has used are not sufficient to say whether he is right or not.
[14:07] <fsphil> Ian_: sadly your honey was not airport security compatible
[14:08] <daveake> oh, didn't think you'd try
[14:09] <daveake> Highly unlikely you'd get that past them
[14:10] <adamgreig> hope it wasn't too sticky a situation
[14:10] <adamgreig> hope they weren't too buzzed off???
[14:11] <daveake> or that he was put against a wall and asked to "spread 'em" ?
[14:11] <adamgreig> having to throw it away probably stung a bit
[14:11] <fsphil> I beehaved myself the entire time
[14:12] <daveake> beehived ^
[14:12] <fsphil> you took that too far
[14:14] <edmoore> at least you can tell us about it easily because there is a general societal norm to communicate by sending messages of a specific format to a server with a set of inputs it can accept, so the rest of us can see them
[14:14] <edmoore> you could call it an
[14:15] <edmoore> apiculture
[14:15] <daveake> hah
[14:18] <daveake> I think it was a setup; Ian gave him the jar as part of ...
[14:18] <daveake> ... a sting operation
[14:20] <Ian_> Maybe next year we will see if set honey will make the trip. I still have Thomaz and Sven probing the system. Thrown away? No, there will be lucky security recyclers enjoying their toast and honey tomorrow morning . . . Ba****ds.
[14:20] <fsphil> how the mighty have pollen
[14:23] <Ian_> The Conference will have created a couple of blips then. The sudden spike in talon firework igniter sales and instances of honey siezures at UK airports . . . all a form of conspiracy of course!
[14:25] <Ian_> A case of not having thought it through beforehand. With a much smaller jar our friends could have taken their seats with a huge sugar spike to keep them going.
[14:27] <Ian_> I'm looking forward to seeing Sven's next new toy in 2017. Impressive.
[14:27] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/8fK6cvy.png
[14:31] Action: Ian_ I am a beeliever
[14:31] <Ian_> e e e bee lever
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Could always have floated the honey back by HAB needed to use the hive mind before we left!
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Glad to say British Rail companies don't object to carrying Hone!
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or even Honey home!
[14:32] <fsphil> that'd be perfect if I lived in the north sea
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Could we train Bee's to drag a HAB in your directon ?
[14:38] <daveake> Honey And Bees ?
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sounds like we need a new section in the UKHAS, HAB lead of course by Ian ;-)
[14:41] <daveake> We'd all get B's in the exam
[14:42] <fsphil> high altitude bees?
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Bacon, Bee's and Beer
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[15:01] <edmoore> that's almost G.K. Chesterton's Father Brown
[15:01] <edmoore> when he ordered 'Beans, Bacon and a Bottle of your Best Burgundy'
[15:02] <edmoore> which i thought was good
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[15:07] <amell> Still thinking about alien dust. Who invited him?!?
[15:08] <amell> If it was true, we'd have found lots of DNA in the moon soil that the apollo astronauts brought back
[15:08] <amell> So I'm calling fake.
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[15:16] Nick change: zerorest -> zer0rest
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[15:21] <fsphil> sure about that?
[15:21] <daveake> http://worldofweirdthings.com/2011/04/13/help-help-alien-hunters-are-being-oppressed/
[15:21] <daveake> yes
[15:21] <fsphil> things hitting the moon tend to do so very quickly
[15:22] <daveake> true
[15:22] <fsphil> and then there's all the UV
[15:22] <daveake> I don't mind that he was there; it did provide entertainment and prompt discussion
[15:22] <fsphil> yeah
[15:22] <daveake> But he'd be better off doing some actual science
[15:23] <fsphil> I think he's wrong, but it's not my area
[15:23] <amell> UV breaks down the DNA?
[15:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK4ZMR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK4ZMR
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Was there a link for some of the images adamgrieg, showed yesterdat of th Martlet 3 ?
[15:24] <amell> Yeah they are on the cuspaceflight flickr
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes of course
[15:26] <Laurenceb__> amell: impact at 10km/s tends to destroy DNA
[15:26] <daveake> That SERA document is well worth a read
[15:26] <Laurenceb__> so actually he has some good points
[15:26] <daveake> e.g. "2.2. An unmanned free balloon, other than a light balloon used exclusively for meteorological purposes and
[15:26] <daveake> operated in the manner prescribed by the competent authority, shall not be operated across the territory of
[15:26] <daveake> another State without authorisation from the other State concerned."
[15:26] <Laurenceb__> mars would be the place to look tho
[15:27] <daveake> which has implications on all floaters
[15:27] <Laurenceb__> exclusively for meteorological purposes
[15:27] <daveake> yup
[15:27] <fsphil> comet sample return might be better
[15:27] <amell> So what is North Korea going to do about floaters?
[15:27] <fsphil> if he thinks that's where they come from
[15:28] <Laurenceb__> we need a gateway from tracker to NOAA
[15:28] <amell> fsphil: good job one took off yesterday then for sample return!
[15:28] <Laurenceb__> then tracker helps the forecasting models
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: 'exclusively'
[15:29] <daveake> Also, make sure your flight isn't classed as "heavy"
[15:29] <daveake> as then there's a lot more to do
[15:29] <daveake> Appendix 2 in https://www.caa.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4294975756 has it all
[15:30] <fsphil> amell: not a comet iirc
[15:30] <amell> fsphil: true. Bennu is an asteroid
[15:31] <amell> I don't quite follow where this August date comes from. The docs for SERA are all dated March
[15:32] <russss> August is when the new Air Navigation Order came into effect
[15:32] <russss> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/contents/made
[15:32] <DL7AD_> fsphil: did you really try to transport it in your hand luggage?
[15:32] <daveake> Yeah SERA has been around for a while but only adopted last month apparently
[15:32] <fsphil> DL7AD_: yeah :)
[15:33] <DL7AD_> I put it in my normal luggage
[15:33] <DL7AD_> because I expected that to happen
[15:33] <fsphil> I only had carry-on luggage
[15:34] <DL7AD_> The poor honey
[15:34] <daveake> with leave-behind contents
[15:35] <fsphil> I had to leave it beehind
[15:35] <amell> Would have loved some honey but thought it was for the speakers :)
[15:35] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: research and development of meteorological
[15:35] <Laurenceb__> stuff
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[15:39] <SpeedEvil> ^The above legislation seems to repeat the earlier anomoly
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Remote-Control-RC-Inflatable-Balloon-Air-Swimmer-Flying-shark-Fish-Radio-Blimp-/401146538449 is an airship
[15:40] <Laurenceb__> ah, there is no lower limit on size?
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> On the literal interpretation - it specifically says unmanned aircraft include unmanned free balloons and remotely piloted aircraft
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> Actually no - if it's piloted - nvm
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> (remotely)
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[16:04] <gb73d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsaAI_L8A1g
[16:04] <gb73d> watching LoRa talk
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[16:13] <Ian_> amell, I had a 'special list' which was largely comprised of people that either were shakers and movers or known to me one way or the other. \
[16:14] <Ian_> I know you through your involvement here but have yet to match the face. As your username is not indicative of your real name, I didn't know if you had signed up or not and so essentially your name could have been on one of the uncommitted ones that \
[16:15] <Ian_> were given to a few speakers.
[16:16] <Ian_> Drat, he isn't here just now . . .
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[16:58] <Makulit> Gidday just have a few questions about HALB if someone has a bit of time?
[16:59] <SA6BSS-Mike> ask away
[17:02] <Makulit> Thanks. I am intending on setting up a tracking station in Australia. On the tracking map though I noticed all (currently live) tracking stations in VK say HF Balloon Tracker with the exception of one. Going by the website it says all txm from the balloons is on 70cm. Am I missing something here?
[17:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess as vk3 Andy is sending up balloons tx in usuly 30m hf and retransmit it to habhub tracker
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> he is using a patched version of wsjtx
[17:06] <DL7AD_Laptop> Makulit: i think the reason for that is, that they launch HF balloons in australia more often than 70cm ones
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> but reguarly balloon launches uses 70cm telemetry or/and aprs
[17:08] <Makulit> Ok, just the last one, which is how I came to find the website, was on 70cm. It just confused me a bit when I noticed the HF on the stations. Is it possible to run both at the same time from a single SDR receiver (HF+UHF)?
[17:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> none that I?m aware of
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[17:08] <Makulit> I am guessing not.
[17:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> mamax bw is usuly 8-10Mhz
[17:09] <Makulit> Okay, which would be the one of most benefit, 434 or HF? In respect to being a tracking station.
[17:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> redpitaya is dong 50Mhz but its only hf+6
[17:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> hf is long range uhf is LOS
[17:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> are u going to recover it or are u doing a floater
[17:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> floter from australia = hf up down uhf
[17:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> * up down uhf - recover
[17:11] <Makulit> Neither, I was just interested in becoming a tracking station and having resultant data uploaded to the tracker database/map.
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[17:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> if u get a sdr play u can do both
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> it 10khz to 2Ghz
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> but not at once ofc
[17:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> but thetre is not that many launches so that would be a problem
[17:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> there is a ocean floater on hf tracking at the moment
[17:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.qsl.net/zl1rs/oceanfloater.html
[17:14] <Makulit> I will be getting an SDRPlay but I am not going to dedicate it solely to the tracker, they are expensive here due to exhange rates etc. I was thinking of getting an el-cheapo RTL2832U SDR rx that does 100k-1.7ghz.
[17:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, they are fine for uhf tracking, just get a deacent anrtenna and a LNA
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[17:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> rtl one that is
[17:17] <Makulit> No worries. I am going to get an SDRPlay unit, but that will be more used as my comms receiver. I've been looking at some videos on it with SDR-Uno and the virtual stacked receivers impresses me a bit.
[17:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> its nice, have one as well
[17:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> dedicated for hf work
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[17:24] <Makulit> They look okay from what I have seen (on youtube), they sell for around $250 AUD here. Which is pretty much $150 GBP. I seem to be buying a lot of 'UK' stuff lately, don't know what that's about, have 3 Raspberry Pi's currently.
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[17:28] <Makulit> Anyway, bedtime here. Seeya's. Tahnks for the help, 73.
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[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> all the best !!
[17:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> ha gone :)
[17:30] <PE2BZ> If it´s bedtime it´s bedtime ;-)
[17:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> true, true
[17:32] <mfa298> bit late to tell him now, but one thing he should bear in mind is that the tracking stations only appear on the map if they're active, so for the 2/70 flights they may only appear when the flight is happening
[17:46] <cm13g09> evening mfa298
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[19:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Andy_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Andy_chase
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[20:09] <tweetBot> @MarkIreland_: Had a great weekend at the #ukhas conference and also passing my Foundation Amateur Radio Licence exam! #nextstopantennashop 📻
[20:12] <fsphil> he passed his exam, he's now a ham.
[20:17] <craag> I'm sorry
[20:21] <fsphil> ham radio poetry
[20:21] <fsphil> it's been a long day
[20:21] <craag> I missed that
[20:22] Action: craag needs some sleep
[20:22] <fsphil> same
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[20:49] <Ian_> Having glanced over the SERA Air Navigation Order 2009 and Rules of the Air Regs 2015 - consolidation, I can see that there is much for the Wombats to chew upon. In particular with regard to Heavy class balloons, which seem to really be focussing on somewhat meatier beasts like project Loon and the like, but hey you have to draw a line somewhere.
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[20:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-3 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
[20:54] <AndyEsser> cheers again craag and daveake for the RSGB exam stuff :)
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[20:54] <daveake> np
[20:55] <AndyEsser> had the 2m calling channel on in the car the whole way home
[20:55] <AndyEsser> heard a couple of weak CQs come through, but nothing fun
[20:55] <daveake> It's just a few minutes of stuff to do and 30 minutes or so of complete boredom
[20:55] <daveake> only entertainment value was wondering if amell was actually going to fall asleep
[20:55] <AndyEsser> ha
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[20:56] <AndyEsser> happy I didn't impact your 100% pass rate for UKHAS conference :)
[20:56] <daveake> hah no
[20:56] <Ian_> When they talk of the mass / area (cm) of the smallest surface, does that favour a sphere which has only one surface . . . ?
[20:56] <daveake> You think they think that far ?
[20:57] <daveake> A thin ball with a hole in it would have one surface with almost double the area
[20:57] <daveake> but they didn't think of that either :)
[20:58] <Ian_> Not so, but they certainly don't want to be seen to encourage floaters below 18km - Nor did I Dave
[20:58] <daveake> well that's heavy flights
[20:58] <daveake> almost all the new stuff is for heavy only
[20:59] <AndyEsser> gah, why doesn't the latest FOI callsign document from Ofcom have M3 allocations :(
[20:59] <Ian_> Fortunately. I think that they have seen Loon and other stuff coming in great waves.
[20:59] <daveake> Well whoever did that stuff does understand a bit about balloons
[21:00] <daveake> Superpressure being mentioned and accurately described, for example
[21:00] <daveake> Only one I'm concerned about is floaters over other countries
[21:00] <daveake> non-pico ones
[21:00] <daveake> pico exemption remains
[21:01] <Ian_> AndyEsser, M3 allocations? they are not currently being allocated and unless OFCOM have changed their practice (not impossible) then you will be limited to a selection from the M6 pool.
[21:01] <AndyEsser> Ah ok
[21:01] <AndyEsser> One of the questions in the exam got me confused, and then someone pointed out that M3 and M6 both cover Foundation
[21:01] <Ian_> The other thing is that the calling frequencies are not a good idea when travelling, better to plan for listening to the repeaters who's catchment areas you pass through
[21:01] <AndyEsser> So only M6 for new callsigns?
[21:01] <daveake> Believe so
[21:02] <AndyEsser> well poo
[21:02] <daveake> It's easy to worry about the odd question
[21:02] <LazyLeopard> AndyEsser: I'm guessing all M3 callsigns have been issued...
[21:02] <AndyEsser> time to think of another callsign
[21:02] <daveake> but it all makes no difference just get the pass and move on to the next one :)
[21:02] <AndyEsser> that's the plan
[21:02] <AndyEsser> get intermediate and full ASAP
[21:02] <daveake> yup
[21:02] <AndyEsser> then I can faff about with an M0 one
[21:02] <AndyEsser> I really wanted M0ODY, but sadly taken
[21:03] <craag> get M0RPI
[21:03] <daveake> hah
[21:03] <AndyEsser> I'm not sure, but think it's allocated
[21:03] <daveake> probably been taken twice anyway
[21:03] <AndyEsser> :P
[21:03] <craag> there's a chance ofcom would still give it to you ;)
[21:03] <daveake> :)
[21:03] <AndyEsser> craag: ta for showing me a few bits on the 817 btw
[21:03] <daveake> they have a "database"
[21:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: if the way they process payments is any indication, I have zero faith in RSGB (or Ofcom for that matter)
[21:04] <daveake> It's probably got M0RPI, MORPI, MoRPI already
[21:06] <Ian_> Ofcom do regularly have issues of one sort or another with the expression of callsigns. I didn't know until yesterday that you had been caught up in that snafu, but the regional identifier has been screwed up numerous times and it gets no better
[21:07] <daveake> Should have got M0FUO
[21:07] <Ian_> AndyEsser, if you ever break into a net, here's a tip to stop some grumpy old sol from going off the deep end.
[21:08] <Ian_> Just hit the ptt and give the last three of your callsign. It's obvious that you are trying to BREAK in, but saying break will get you comments and saying BREAK BREAK will have some sod appopleptic and give you a right lecture
[21:08] <Ian_> :)
[21:09] <Ian_> Unless of course you want to wind up over sensitive souls.
[21:09] <gonzo_> just shout 'on the side'. All those old enough to remember CB, will have a geart attack
[21:09] <LazyLeopard> My latest licence gives my callsign as M#0LEP
[21:09] <Ian_> gonzo, your's was a face I meant to match up but am still as ignorant as I was
[21:10] <gonzo_> I didn't say hello to half those I wanted to
[21:10] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Congratulations to Mark of @stratodean on passing #HamRadio exam. His #AMSAT-UK talk @ https://t.co/pwKbl86QSq #hamr https://t.co/JRahqHBCdh
[21:10] <Ian_> That's the Ofcome we have come to know and unlove
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[21:15] <AndyEsser> *weeps*
[21:15] <AndyEsser> Just ordered my Flight theory books
[21:15] <AndyEsser> £150
[21:17] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/775079560517971968/photo/1
[21:17] <AndyEsser> damn expensive hobbies
[21:17] <Ian_> My younger brother used to fly with his PPL. He doesn't now; it's regularly expensive to keep it up and I think that he got a bit large for the cockpit, so that he and his mate began to have a problem fitting in together . . . :)
[21:17] <AndyEsser> haha
[21:18] <AndyEsser> o dear
[21:18] <Ian_> Save your money for the balloons as it's not so expensive.
[21:18] <AndyEsser> something I've wanted to do since I was about 13/14 but just never been able to
[21:18] <AndyEsser> have the time + money now, so thought I might as well
[21:18] <gonzo_> not so bad if yiou can get a cindicate
[21:19] <AndyEsser> I won't be buying a plane myself
[21:19] <Ian_> Wrong aspect ratio for an RAF pilot :)
[21:19] <AndyEsser> at least not yet ;)
[21:19] <AndyEsser> Ian_: ha
[21:19] <Ian_> such cheek eh?
[21:19] <AndyEsser> heh - bash on the RAF as much as you like :)
[21:20] <AndyEsser> just avoid digs to the Army
[21:20] <Ian_> Oh no, a brown job!
[21:21] <AndyEsser> Anyway, I've just spent 4 hours driving... time for sleep
[21:21] <AndyEsser> some idiot decided to lose his boat off its trailer on the M6 about 500m in front of me, which delayed me an hour :(
[21:21] <Ian_> I'm the product of a service family so they are sort of close to my heart.
[21:22] <Ian_> I was home in about 2hrs, so having a cup of tea by just after 1130
[21:22] <Ian_> Where was the boat shed . . . there is a pun in there somewhere!
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[21:24] Action: LazyLeopard saw a one-wheeled caravan looking sorry for itself on the M11 hard-shoulder last night...
[21:26] <gonzo_> a fun trip back on an AA lorry for me
[21:26] <Ian_> I saw one dissassembled on the M5 northbound last year. We were about to join the tail of the xmile queue just as we approached a service station. We took the break and missed the traffic
[21:27] <Ian_> What happened to your hoss gonzo_?
[21:27] <Ian_> I don't suppose that it was a fuel saving ploy?
[21:27] <gonzo_> hehe, an RAF trick!
[21:28] <gonzo_> lost a brake hose on the way in. Limped to the conf. But they couldn't get a hose in time, so just ferried me home
[21:29] <Ian_> Ah, wasn't aware. I guess that must have played on your mind all day. Did you stay overnight or just come for the day?
[21:31] <gonzo_> tbh I got there. And could not be bothered thinking about it after that
[21:31] <gonzo_> that is why I pay the recovery cover
[21:31] <gonzo_> the universal, last ditch spanner. AA card
[21:32] <Ian_> You will probably find your subscription is a little higher next year. I think all these things are insurance backed these days and double dipping seems to be the main theme.
[21:33] <gonzo_> daveake took the micky a bit, that my car only works for an hour. How cruel.... It worked for about three!
[21:33] <Ian_> There was a time that no claims protection meant something. These days you can pay to protect it, but the next year premium is still loaded.
[21:34] <gonzo_> heard of some offering a no claim bounty. but never seen those myself
[21:35] <gonzo_> i got it cheap via a cashback site. Have a feeling that the cashback is void if there is a claim in 6months. But that is less than the fuel home would have cost, so they are welcome to that
[21:36] <gonzo_> annoying, the part will prob cost a tenner and take half an hour to fix
[21:37] <Ian_> I've never taken a cashback offer. I like to think that if it can be that cheap then it should be up front and not resort to shuffling walnuts and a pea
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[22:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03smttmd4166a419062_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=smttmd4166a419062_chase
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[22:31] <Laurenceb__> uh oh
[22:31] <Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1368603;image
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> That looks very sciency.
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[22:56] <Ian_> DL7AD the question is, are you home again yet Sven?
[22:57] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: event U doesnt align
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[22:57] <Laurenceb__> it was somewhere else *x-files musci*
[23:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: I read more of the thread.
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> I am now stupid.
[23:05] <Laurenceb__> oh UBSEDS18
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, it's not as bad as the EMdrive thread
[23:05] <Laurenceb__> hehe
[23:05] <Laurenceb__> UBSEDS20 turning up would be good
[23:05] <Laurenceb__> it may well still be over the pacific somewhere
[23:06] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: yeah emdrive thread is depressingly daft
[23:06] <Laurenceb__> but so is the emdrive
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> 'Prandtl-Glauert singularities,' is a truly excellent term though
[23:11] <Laurenceb__> ironically nasaspaceflight forum is probably more stupid than the aliens from space presentation
[23:11] <Laurenceb__> *alien bacteria
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lsaAI_L8A1g#t=4210
[23:44] <Laurenceb__> hmmm
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