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[05:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[06:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
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[07:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yes_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yes_chase
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[08:12] <gonzo_> the PE2BZ night time pics are all very nice. But should they have finished soak testing by now?
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[08:27] <fsphil> !flights
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Current flights: 03HERMES1 10(eedf), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[09:30] <adamgreig> hermes almost ready to go
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HERMES1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HERMES1
[09:45] <adamgreig> launch
[09:46] <AndyEsser> aww, no "T Minus" countdown? :(
[09:46] <fsphil> is everything nominal?
[09:48] <fsphil> hmm, I don't know if I left the radio connected
[09:48] <adamgreig> yea all Nominal
[09:48] <fsphil> no telemetry?
[09:48] <fsphil> oh there it goes
[09:48] <adamgreig> his laptop is shut as getting chasing
[09:48] <adamgreig> expect his telem will resume
[09:49] <fsphil> G8KNN has it
[09:49] <adamgreig> oh yep good good
[09:50] <dbrooke> it's an "interesting" signal here http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-1sMJ9A.png
[09:51] <dbrooke> took me a while to find which set of tones to use! and I'm still not sure
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[09:56] <nicolo> hi everyone
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[09:57] <nicolo> has someone tried to use sim908 to retrive data from GPS and send it via GPRS in a HUB?
[10:00] <mfa298> nicolo: gsm/gprs don't tend to work that well at any altiude (you might get to 2km if you're lucky), they also often dont have much signal on landing the areas you should be aiming to land often don't have much mobile signal, especially at ground level.
[10:00] <nicolo> I know but I discoverd radio modules too late unfortunately
[10:01] <nicolo> so for this mission I would try with the module I wrote
[10:01] <nicolo> https://www.sos.sk/a_info/resource/c/SIM908-C.pdf page 10
[10:02] <nicolo> big mistake on max altitude
[10:02] <nicolo> I'm right?
[10:03] <mfa298> there's a difference between what it'll work at and where it'll get a gsm signal.
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[10:04] <nicolo> yes but don't you think that there's a unit mistake?
[10:05] <nicolo> this param is more or less 60.000 feet
[10:05] <SIbot> In real units: 000 ft = 0.00 m
[10:05] <fsphil> that's the GPS limit, not GSM
[10:05] <nicolo> exactly, fsphill
[10:05] <nicolo> meter, not kilometer
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[10:05] <fsphil> 18km isn't great, you'll probably go higher than that
[10:06] <fsphil> the ublox modules work above 18km when put in the correct mode
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> The GPS limit - properly implemented - is not 18km.
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> It's 18km and 1000 knots together
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> >1000
[10:06] <fsphil> *the GPS limit of this device
[10:06] <nicolo> I have an ublox module too
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> Many GPSs do not properly implement, and limit altitude either at 18km, or assuming that it can't actually be that high
[10:06] <mfa298> I see what nicolo means, the doc says 18288*k*m
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - straight typo there
[10:07] <nicolo> big mistake
[10:07] <fsphil> hah, oh yes I missed that
[10:08] <fsphil> to be fair, it definitly won't work above 18288km
[10:08] <mfa298> I missed it first time as well.
[10:08] <adamgreig> hmmm won't it fsphil
[10:08] <G3WDI> which set did you use?
[10:08] <adamgreig> I mean a ublox probably wouldn't
[10:08] <mfa298> then again that's fairly minor compared to the mistakes you find in some data sheets
[10:08] <adamgreig> but you're still below the gps satellites at that point
[10:08] <adamgreig> they orbit at like 20,000km
[10:09] <fsphil> yeah I just googled that, I thought they where lower
[10:09] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: liklihood of being visible/within radio direction of 3 or more at that altitude though?
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[10:09] <PE2BZ_work> !flights
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ_work: Current flights: 03HERMES1 10(eedf), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[10:09] <PE2BZ_work> !payload eedf
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ_work: Payload 03HERMES1 10(eedf) 03$$HERMES1 - 03primary - 03434.425 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:09] <adamgreig> i mean some things receive gps _above_ the gps orbit height so it can be done
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> I've noted in the past that it's plausible to recieve GPS on the moon
[10:09] <adamgreig> just signal is poor as their antennas mostly point earthwards for some reason
[10:10] <fsphil> you'd get a good signal from the gps satellites on the other side of the earth
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> modest - ~1.5m dish or so, and you just pickup the signal fringes as the sats come 'over the horizon'
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> (dilution of position is _bad_)
[10:10] <nicolo> so none of you tried a sim908?
[10:11] <mfa298> could you try gps earth bounce from the moon ? although that's probably going to put your position well off
[10:11] <nicolo> I have some doubts about what it will write on serial after 18000 m
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[10:12] <fsphil> I'd be more worried about what it does once it gets below 18km again
[10:12] <fsphil> will it get a lock on the way down
[10:12] <nicolo> I save info on SD
[10:13] <nicolo> all info I will read when I found it
[10:13] <nicolo> I will read all when I found it, better
[10:14] <nicolo> and I use the predictor to give me an idea of the landing point
[10:14] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: that seems very unlikely to work - the earth is not flat enough
[10:15] <gonzo_> what dial/shift are we seeing for HERMES?
[10:16] <mfa298> nicolo: some gps/gsm device have been known to lock up as they go over 18km and not recover when they come back down without a physica reset - that's what fsphil was refering to.
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> I haven't read all scrollback.
[10:17] <mfa298> if you've got your own uC in there as well you might at least be able to detect that and reset the device. if that happens
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> Someone has raised that GSM has an altitude limit, and you may not get a lock between the time you come into that limit (set by the fact that towers are pointed downish not up) and the time you hit the ground and may not have a signal.
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> Signal actually on the ground, facing down possibly - can be lots worse than at ear level
[10:19] <nicolo> In what way I can find out if my module will lock after a certain altitude?
[10:19] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: I doubt it (gsm earth moon) would work either, and if it did your position would be very off, but sounds like a ham sort of thing to do because you can.
[10:19] <nicolo> I wrote an email to simcom (producer of my module)
[10:19] <pb0ahx> !flghts
[10:19] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03HERMES1 10(eedf), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: It can in principle be useful in some situations. It does give a very good time. Lack of ionosphere helps somewhat.
[10:20] <pb0ahx> !payload eedf
[10:20] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03HERMES1 10(eedf) 03$$HERMES1 - 03primary - 03434.425 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: I suspect in practice other solutions may be better - for example, you could (with a modest clock) get really quite good star-tracking even in the day
[10:20] <fsphil> right, radio running. let's see
[10:21] <fsphil> nicolo: other than using some kind of gps simulator, you can't know until you try
[10:21] <SpeedEvil> Or send it up on someones payload as a ridealong
[10:22] <pb0ahx> !dial eefd
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:22] <pb0ahx> !dial eedf
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03HERMES1 10(eedf): 030.01 MHz
[10:22] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: for my silly suggestion of gps earth moon you'll get the ionosphere twice. and the relectino losses of bouncing from the earth, I was thinking along the lines of a reverse EME.
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: GPS sats are only ~50W
[10:22] <Darkside> hrm, did hermes lose lock?
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[10:23] <SpeedEvil> You can do interesting earth-bounce GPS stuff, but it's predicated on knowing what the GPS signal is, and measuring the ground using that
[10:24] <G8FJG> internet crashed for 20 mins...headles
[10:24] <G8FJG> headless
[10:28] <nicolo> I will try
[10:28] <adamgreig> no new positions from hermes for a while...
[10:29] <adamgreig> but radio's still going
[10:29] <gonzo_> not a snif of siganl here
[10:29] <nicolo> I hope the predictor will give me a good point
[10:29] <gonzo_> should be above my hosizon by now
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[10:30] <pb0ahx> strange tones here from Hermes1
[10:31] <garymortimer> Standby yet another dumb question from down south
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Predictor is generally quite good
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone ever made the effort to corelate predictor results with actual?
[10:32] <garymortimer> would the lora serial gateway work with an uno
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> Burst altitude is most important - if your payload floats, it can go thousands of km out of the way
[10:32] <garymortimer> I ask because I loaded it up and the windows program can't see the serial port.
[10:34] <garymortimer> Hermes still going up?
[10:35] <garymortimer> pressure and temp reducing
[10:35] <dbrooke> I don't know about windows but the uno serial (USB) port is independent of the code running on the uno
[10:35] <garymortimer> ok
[10:38] <pb0ahx> have Hermes1 also lora on board ??
[10:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> not according to ukas mail
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F1TUV-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1TUV-9
[10:39] <fsphil> nope
[10:39] <G8FJG> hermes signal spread over 20khz here , pick a pair of tones they all seem to decode
[10:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> adamgreig: what gps are u using on Hermes?
[10:42] <garymortimer> that was my thought
[10:44] <adamgreig> it's not my flight
[10:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[10:44] <adamgreig> it's the adafruit ultimate gps I believe
[10:44] <garymortimer> ah
[10:46] <SA6BSS-Mike> flight mode not on, 10000m alt max on those?
[10:58] <craag> they're meant to be fine ut of the box
[10:58] <craag> *out
[10:58] <craag> I belive
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[10:59] <craag> believe even..
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[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> I guess not
[11:01] <fsphil> I can see it on the waterfall now
[11:02] <fsphil> x11vnc keeps crashing :/
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:07] <fsphil> it seems very weak, or that could be the rtlsdr
[11:07] <fsphil> I should put the ft817 up instead
[11:07] <garymortimer> getting warmer
[11:08] <garymortimer> cancel that
[11:08] <AndyEsser> I need to try tracking with the ft817 at some point
[11:08] <fsphil> still see it, but barely
[11:08] <AndyEsser> o0o maybe Saturday
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial hermes1
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03HERMES1 10(eedf): 03434.428 MHz, 434.423 MHz, 434.428556 MHz
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah I see they have problems as well as not understanding ISH!
[11:12] <fsphil> hard to say if the signal is still there
[11:12] <fsphil> could it be on the way down?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> So much QRM here not sure I would see them anyway if their signal is spread out :-(
[11:13] <fsphil> yeah no signal here at all now
[11:14] Nick change: Rebounde1 -> Rebounder
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[11:20] <G8FJG> might come back when pressure=26000pa ish
[11:21] <AndyEsser> no sign of it from my end :(
[11:21] <AndyEsser> shame the ft817 isn't still in the car :(
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[11:22] <garymortimer> On Daves LoRaArduinoSerial LoRa PC Gateway I am seeing FreqErr=-3.71 PacketRSSI=-98 PacketSNR=47 but the windows software does not see my FTDI. Does the incoming string look OK though?
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[11:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> there we goo, below 10000m on its way down
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[11:29] <adamgreig> weird
[11:29] <adamgreig> wonder what went wrong
[11:30] <adamgreig> wonder if it was a string formatting issue :p
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Height data looks odd as well, the slope isn' at all smooth
[11:32] <pb0ahx> team Hermes1 tnx for flight it was dificalt but it is going 73 tne
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[11:45] <craag> the adafruit ones seem to be poor at managing vertical velocity
[11:45] <craag> often stepped or distorted slopes
[11:47] <edmoore> have seen stepping before in the presence of interference
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> This one looks like smoothed steps
[11:49] <gonzo_> some naughty big wires in the way for this landing
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Almost parralleling them as well ....
[11:54] <gonzo_> adamgreig, are these guy's chasing this payload? And do they have local upload when they get to site?
[11:54] <adamgreig> they are chasing it
[11:54] <adamgreig> I don't know about local upload but probably, given his laptop was uploading at launch
[11:56] <gonzo_> ta, will be interesting to see where it landed.
[11:56] <gonzo_> I assume they are sensible enough to know what mopt top do if it's on wires
[11:56] <gonzo_> what not
[11:57] <gonzo_> christ my typoing is extra bad today
[11:57] <AndyEsser> just blame auto-correct like the young kids these days
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[11:59] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/3Yx2HPz
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[12:01] <fsphil> I c what they did there
[12:01] <AndyEsser> however I didn't c^2 what they did there
[12:35] <gonzo_> HERMES must have dropped like a stone?!
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[12:36] <gonzo_> would have to multiply yourself, more than once though
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[12:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> hermes update
[12:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like an easy recovery
[12:40] <gonzo_> away from pylons, luckilly
[12:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep!
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[12:41] <fsphil> phew
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[12:57] <garymortimer> Ok ... its the dumb chap again
[12:59] <garymortimer> I have added a bluetooth moduule to my uno, have it connected to my PC and can see the data coming in terraterm when i run the Lora/Bluetooth serial gateway its not seeing anything. What did I do wrong or not read?
[12:59] <garymortimer> There is no serial port to select
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[13:04] <garymortimer> All I am doing is running the .exe file
[13:04] <daveake> That program populates the serial port combo from HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\hardware\devicemap\serialcomm when it starts, so the serial port device needs to register in there
[13:05] <daveake> Every device I've tried - USB FTDI, Prolific, Bluetooth - works with that
[13:06] <garymortimer> Is there a limit to the number it will find, mine is at 49
[13:06] <garymortimer> all of your above is well above my pay grade
[13:07] <daveake> As far as that program is concerned, no, it just adds all the ones it finds
[13:08] <garymortimer> Its not seeing any... I will redownload it. i am not building it in any way just running the exe
[13:08] <daveake> re-downloading the exe will make no difference whatsoever
[13:09] <garymortimer> let me try another machine...
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[13:25] <garymortimer> Nope nothing doing there, other software can see the BT serial port
[13:28] <AndyEsser> have you checked it's listed in the key that daveake mentioned above?
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[14:04] <AndyEsser> what time are people getting to Cambridge on the Friday (if heading down on the Friday)
[14:05] <adamgreig> I expect I'll be in cambridge quite early on the friday
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[14:09] <daveake> 5:30pm ish
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[14:14] <AndyEsser> Do people fancy drinks/dinner Friday night?
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[14:15] <craag> Soton_chase is planning to be there maybe 6:30 - 7:00
[14:15] <craag> pm
[14:16] <craag> With the plan of having dinner once we get there
[14:17] <AndyEsser> I will likely be leaving Chester about midday on Friday, weather depending
[14:17] <AndyEsser> I may be delayed in the morning so leave later
[14:17] <AndyEsser> so should be around for about 4-5pm
[14:18] <edmoore> i will be there around 4.30 saturday
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[14:20] <adamgreig> a.m., edmoore?
[14:21] <adamgreig> oh
[14:21] <adamgreig> right, you're missing the talks and coming for the good part
[14:21] <adamgreig> might be at chu around 4.30
[14:21] <edmoore> ok cool
[14:22] <edmoore> i'll park there probs
[14:22] <edmoore> then presumably something like castle?
[14:22] <adamgreig> sure
[14:22] <edmoore> i've not been there for a wee while
[14:23] <AndyEsser> I only left cambridge 2 years and can't remember anything other than the Mai Thai restaurant the Golden Hind...
[14:23] <AndyEsser> +and
[14:23] <edmoore> the golden hind is beyond the buble, in reality
[14:23] <edmoore> so it was never even on my radar
[14:24] <edmoore> bubble*
[14:24] <AndyEsser> Yea, it's just the nearest pub to the science park
[14:24] <AndyEsser> so was the local after work/lunch if needs be
[14:24] <AndyEsser> not exactly a great place
[14:24] <edmoore> so the castle was by churchill and we went there quite a lot
[14:25] <edmoore> also after some hab launches
[14:25] <edmoore> and the various curry places opposite
[14:25] <edmoore> we went to a place called Dojo near the engineering dept a lot but it got raided and it turned out about 94% opf its staff were illigal immigrants
[14:26] <edmoore> illegal
[14:26] <gonzo_> as long as they didn't do it whilst you were waiting for a meal
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[14:28] <gonzo_> I expect there will eb quiet a few people staying over, so we will be split bertween a few eateries
[14:28] <edmoore> it fragmented a lot last year
[14:29] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: english... dude, english
[14:29] <edmoore> i think it was slightly better when there was a fairly big pub that could fit most people
[14:29] <edmoore> like in grenwich
[14:29] <AndyEsser> can we all have the chase app running on our phones to make meeting up easier?
[14:29] <edmoore> no
[14:29] <AndyEsser> :)
[14:29] <AndyEsser> spoil sport
[14:29] <edmoore> that's me
[14:30] <edmoore> you can do it
[14:30] <edmoore> a sort of nerd grindr
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[14:31] <AndyEsser> haha
[14:31] <AndyEsser> most people are staying near the IoA I believe?
[14:32] <gonzo_> cambs looks far smaller than I imagined, the IoA is only a walk away from the centre
[14:32] <edmoore> no idea
[14:32] <edmoore> cam is tiny
[14:32] <edmoore> everywhere is a short walk from everywhere
[14:32] <edmoore> i'm just staying with some friends
[14:33] <AndyEsser> Yea, I decided to skip the calling on friends I haven't spoken to in 2 years bit... :)
[14:34] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: it's a lovely place, the as edmoore said, the centre of it is quite small
[14:34] <gonzo_> I'm at Churchill and have just booked john in there too. (no internet in welsh wales)
[14:34] <AndyEsser> Ah john is coming? cool
[14:34] <AndyEsser> should be a fair few faces I recognise then
[14:34] <gonzo_> used to go there for a job, but I really can't remember what it was!
[14:35] <gonzo_> stopping sat eve so beers will happen. Then going to bletchley park on the way back on sunday
[14:36] <gonzo_> hopefully they will be doing the full explaation and demo of the bombe again
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[14:40] <AndyEsser> o cool
[14:40] <AndyEsser> the Chester Devs group keeps trying to organise a trip down there one Saturday/Sunday
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[14:45] <edmoore> john?
[14:46] <AndyEsser> ARISS dude
[14:46] <AndyEsser> talked to me a lot at EMF about shooting clubs in Wales :)
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[14:55] <gonzo_> you need a good long day at BP
[14:55] <gonzo_> and as an old git like me, there is a good display of 80-'s 8bit computers in the museum next door
[14:55] <fsphil> ah man, I keep forgetting about BP
[14:55] <gonzo_> Which you will be in to see collosus anyway
[14:56] <gonzo_> I was supprised to see that they run that rebuilt collosus every day. good to see
[14:57] <gonzo_> quiet a lot of the site is empty ish huts, but you get a feel for what it was like
[14:57] <dbrooke> there's http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/ in Cambridge, though I've not been
[14:59] <adamgreig> ^ is really good
[15:03] <fsphil> you're getting old when computers you used start appearing in museums
[15:08] <LazyLeopard> Started happening to me decades ago... ;)
[15:10] <fsphil> "And this was the first Gameboy ... it only had 4 shades of grey... *gasp from the audience*"
[15:13] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[15:14] <daveake> pong
[15:17] <LazyLeopard> Space Invaders, Asteroids...
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[17:10] <Laurenceb> number of attendees going up
[17:10] <Laurenceb> looks good
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[17:33] <Laurenceb> anyone booked accommodation at churchill for the conference on Friday night?
[17:34] <Laurenceb> also, anyone know if the bar will be open?
[17:38] <Laurenceb> prices are quite good, Cam is expensive :-/
[17:51] <edmoore> Laurenceb: there's a good chance it won't be out of termtime
[17:51] <edmoore> unless there's another conference on at churchill
[17:52] <edmoore> but there are loads up pubs within walking distance of Chu
[17:52] <Laurenceb> nah
[17:52] <Laurenceb> *bah
[17:52] <Laurenceb> heh
[17:52] <Laurenceb> still sounds good enough for me
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[17:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[18:02] <Kodar> Evening Tom !
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[18:04] <Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/se8bK
[18:25] <Mack> I'm assuming the blackened lightning tower is just from the smoke? It didn't look like the flame got over there
[18:26] <Mack> Though I guess it still would've gotten quite warm
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> https://web.archive.org/web/20160907084846/http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771318/ao-2015-029_final.pdf - fun
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[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Typo in entering plane coords - a hundred degrees off - leading to >40 degrees heading errors shown on nearly all aircraft instruments.
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> And no prompt warning that the coords were that far off
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> (and subsequent fuckups due to pilots not understanding crappy warning messages.
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[18:48] <kc2pit> Mack: Did you ever get that SDR-based GPS simulator to work?
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[20:19] <Mark_B> Good evening
[20:20] <Mark_B> Is Upu about?
[20:20] <Upu> o7
[20:20] <Mark_B> Hi, how you doing?
[20:20] <Upu> well thanks :)
[20:20] <Upu> you ?
[20:21] <Mark_B> Just a courtesy call - I just bought 2 tcikets for Saturday under the same name
[20:21] <Mark_B> That's deliberate
[20:21] <Mark_B> Yep, good thnx
[20:21] <Mark_B> It's Mark_B + 1
[20:21] <Upu> ah ok its Steve and Daniel who need to know
[20:22] <Mark_B> rgr, I'll pass it one. Thanks Upu
[20:22] <Mark_B> *on
[20:22] <Upu> nps
[20:22] <Mark_B> see you Saturday
[20:22] <Mark_B> cheerio
[20:23] <Upu> yup laters!
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[22:07] <amell> can someone confirm current notam process? did the email address change?
[22:08] <amell> I thought it was ausops@caa.co.uk, but someone told me its changed.
[22:09] <adamgreig> arops@caa.co.uk
[22:09] <amell> the wiki says ausops...
[22:09] <amell> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality
[22:10] <amell> this is confusing.
[22:11] <amell> adamgreig: been meaning to ask you, did you go to scotland?
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[22:12] <amell> Please be advised that the email address ausops@caa.co.uk has now been replaced. Your email has been forwarded to AROps@caa.co.uk . With immediate effect all further emails should be addressed to AROps@caa.co.uk
[22:13] <amell> okay.
[22:14] <adamgreig> wiki is outdated
[22:14] <adamgreig> and yes: https://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/albums/72157669958288634
[22:17] <adamgreig> but, we didn't get to launch
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