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[00:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI2 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI2
[00:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLOONOLO-7_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-7_LORA
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[02:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AFB_stn_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_stn_chase
[02:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ce1wfn_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ce1wfn_chase
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[04:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[04:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-3
[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FLIHI_NK - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FLIHI_NK
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[06:00] <garymortimer> any other saffers standing by for Pravins launch here??
[06:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKRUFFY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKRUFFY
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[07:44] <jakeio> Anyone know why my lora gateway isn't uploading to Habitat or SSDV?
[07:51] <jakeio> I'm using v1.6 by daveake, not rharrison's fork.
[07:54] <PE2BZ> jakeio good morning, share your gateway.txt please ;-)
[07:55] <jakeio> Of course, and good morning to you too PE2BZ!
[07:56] <jakeio> http://paste.md-5.net/wenejefoma.vala
[07:56] <jakeio> Excuse the weird file extensions on the paste site!
[07:57] <PE2BZ> never mind. I can read it ;-)
[07:58] <PE2BZ> did you try to remark the uplinktime and uplink cycle and try again ?
[07:58] <jakeio> No, but I will.
[07:59] <jakeio> Wait, aren't uplink cycle and uplink time to do with transmitting a "failed image packet" thing?
[07:59] <PE2BZ> I assume you see the packets on your screen but no results on habhub,org
[08:00] <jakeio> Yup.
[08:00] <PE2BZ> jakeio I´m not shure, that way you have to send back to your payload and have it resend a packet.
[08:00] <jakeio> I get a stream of packets in the log and eventually the SSDV buffer becomes full.
[08:00] <PE2BZ> In my gateway´s its not there and it uploads SSDV and telemetry
[08:01] <jakeio> I commented out those two lines.
[08:01] <jakeio> Still nothing.
[08:01] <jakeio> I've definitely installed curl and ncurses.
[08:02] <PE2BZ> just for a test: make a folder with different name (i have harrison) go to that folder and git clone the rharrison fork. Copy your gateway.txt to that folder and run it, see if that uploads
[08:02] <jakeio> Did that yesterday, nada.
[08:03] <PE2BZ> one moment.
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[08:04] <PE2BZ> can you ping ssdv.habhub.org from the Pi ?
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[08:05] <jakeio> I'll try.
[08:06] <PE2BZ> or habitat.habhub.org
[08:07] <jakeio> It's gone to PING tiamat.habhub.org and is hanging.
[08:07] <PE2BZ> Sorry, does not work, shows IP address but I assume reply to ping is disabled
[08:07] <jakeio> However, my own LoRa software does work and upload.
[08:10] <PE2BZ> You do run the gateway with sudo ?
[08:14] <jakeio> Yes, sorry, I was getting cable ties. I do indeed.
[08:14] <jakeio> And libcurl4-openssl-dev is at the latest version, as is ncurses.
[08:15] <mfa298> jakeio: to test connectivity you could try: nc -v habitat.habhub.org 80
[08:15] <mfa298> that should give somethign like: Connection to habitat.habhub.org 80 port [tcp/http] succeeded!
[08:15] <jakeio> My other software definitely uploads to habitat from the same pi.
[08:15] <jakeio> My python implementation.
[08:17] <PE2BZ> tried your gateway.txt with my DIO settings and it uploads. So I guess it´s not your gateway.txt
[08:17] <jakeio> But, running that command does work mfa298.
[08:17] <PE2BZ> If you git pull. make clean and then make, no errors appear ?
[08:18] <jakeio> Let me try.
[08:18] <mfa298> if you want lots of stuff to read through, you could try attaching strace to it and see what's happenign
[08:20] <jakeio> Erm, OK, I'll try that in a moment.
[08:21] <PE2BZ> afk back in 10 minutes
[08:22] <mfa298> you may find strace gives too much information to see what's happening.
[08:22] <mfa298> but it can be a useful tool to see thigns working (or not)
[08:23] <jakeio> Now I have v1.8 and it doesn't appear to launch...
[08:26] <jakeio> v1.8 definitely isn't launching...
[08:27] <mfa298> you copied your config accross (or edited the one in there ?)
[08:31] <jakeio> copied across?
[08:32] <mfa298> the gateway.txt, is the one in the rharrison version correct for your setup
[08:32] <jakeio> Erm, no, so I copied across my one.
[08:33] <jakeio> 1 min, running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to see if that helps.
[08:33] <jakeio> brb
[08:38] <PE2BZ> what means ¨isn´t launching¨ ? Does the software not start with sudo ./gateway after copying your gateway.txt ?
[08:43] <jakeio> Well, the blue background appears and then the program exits immediately back pi@raspberry: ~
[08:43] <jakeio> ALso, just noticed, nothing being put in the ssdv out folder.
[08:44] <PE2BZ> does the gateway respond different if you have stopped the TX ?
[08:44] <jakeio> As in, stopped my other pi from transmitting?
[08:44] <PE2BZ> indeed
[08:45] <jakeio> Let me check.
[08:45] <jakeio> My apt-get upgrade is still running.
[08:45] <jakeio> But there was a new version of libcurl4 in there.
[08:45] <PE2BZ> please wait ;-)
[08:47] <PE2BZ> the transmitting Pi is running the PITS tracker software or a homebuilt version ?
[08:47] <mfa298> jakeio: look through all that's on the screen, there might be an error message
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[08:48] <jakeio> PE2BZ, my own Python implementation. Proven to work with lora-gateway though.
[08:48] <jakeio> mfa298, nothing, definitely.
[08:53] <jakeio> Still going!
[08:56] <PE2BZ> jakeio I don´t have any doubt about your Python implementation, however if there is any type of incompatibility between the TX´ed packets and the RX software that could be a reason for not uploading I was thinking.
[08:57] <jakeio> Well, on my last flight daveake was able to Rx my packets from that implementation perfectly using v1.6 of the gateway.
[08:58] <PE2BZ> ok, and, sorry for asking the perhaps obvious, you did not change anything in the software on the TX side since then ?
[08:59] <jakeio> Nope, other than calling the Telemetry.py an extra time on each loop.
[08:59] <jakeio> Right, it's done. Thank you for patiently helping me btw!
[09:00] <PE2BZ> NP. Kids outside, wife@work dishwasher running house is clean ;-)
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[09:01] <jakeio> Haha, fair enough!
[09:01] <PE2BZ> what´s about MAGNU ? received by 0x17 ?
[09:02] <Vaizki> ok so cabin is a mess, no clean plates left, no dishwasher - I need some help too :)
[09:03] <PE2BZ> Vaiziki do you pay travel cost ;-)
[09:04] Action: PE2BZ is fired because of misspelling the name of his boss
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[09:12] <Vaizki> no but I tip well
[09:13] <jakeio> PE2BZ, still no upload with new version of libcurl4.
[09:14] <PE2BZ> but no crash when started ?
[09:14] <jakeio> Nope.
[09:14] <mfa298> jakeio: just lookign at th config you pasted earlier, what happens if you change EnableDev=Y
[09:14] <mfa298> to N
[09:15] <jakeio> Trying now.
[09:15] <jakeio> Just tested my other software, still uploads.
[09:16] <mfa298> I've not looked to see what that setting does, but might mean it's trying to upload somewhere else
[09:17] <jakeio> Makes no difference.
[09:20] <PE2BZ> I am running out of clues....
[09:21] <jakeio> Jut noticed.
[09:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5X_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5X_chase
[09:21] <PE2BZ> When was the last time you rebooted the PI (power off and on) >
[09:21] <jakeio> A few mins ago.
[09:22] <PE2BZ> And the PITS tracker is not installed on that PI and autostarting when the PI powers up ?
[09:22] <PE2BZ> sudo killall tracker should say that its not running
[09:26] <jakeio> Will do that now.
[09:26] <jakeio> not found
[09:29] <PE2BZ> Scheisse....
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[09:30] <PE2BZ> by any chance, did you ever have had setup gateway to start at boot and perhaps run two instances now? sudo killall tracker
[09:30] <PE2BZ> and sudo killall startup
[09:31] <PE2BZ> when you think you are not running the ./tracker ?
[09:31] <PE2BZ> should both also say not running
[09:32] <PE2BZ> ( startup is part of the tracker, gateway is the receiving part)
[09:32] <PE2BZ> ./tracker should be when you are not running ./gateway
[09:34] <jakeio> OK, one min
[09:34] <jakeio> Just fixing error in something else!
[09:35] <PE2BZ> Life is all about priorities :-)
[09:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> jakeio, Isn't SKIPI running 4:5 error correction ? Mode=3 in the gateway has 4:6 not4:5 set
[09:41] <jakeio> Yes, but explicit headers so it doesn't matter.
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't error correctio applied before the packet is decoded ? same as freq. bandwidth and SF ?
[09:43] <jakeio> Well, packet is being decoded properly and all packets are showing up in log.
[09:43] <jakeio> But I'll change it anyway.
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK just a thought
[09:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anything appearing in the logtail on habitat?
[09:44] <jakeio> Nope...
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> you haven't changed the url doe ubseds the other week ?
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> for*
[09:47] <jakeio> Nope, just installed the gateway.
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> it hasn't got rob's test server programmed in has it ?
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[09:47] <jakeio> I checked that.
[09:48] <Darkside_> right, new cross dipole antenna built: https://goo.gl/photos/FTC647tLPk1rMmZSA
[09:48] <jakeio> http://ext.hgf.com/ssdv/
[09:48] <jakeio> Definitely not on there.
[09:48] <Darkside_> some uncertainty as to the tuning...
[09:48] <Darkside_> i think its ok
[09:49] <jakeio> Geoff-G8DHE, definitely not going to Rob's thing.
[09:49] <fsphil> Darkside_: impressive
[09:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I won't know if mines working until I hear a signal!
[09:49] <Darkside_> fsphil: not really sure it works yet
[09:50] <Darkside_> i mean, it has a dip in return loss where i want it
[09:50] <Darkside_> but still...
[09:51] <jakeio> Geoff-G8DHE, just getting a picture of my log.
[09:52] <fsphil> Darkside_: what's the brown box?
[09:52] <jakeio> http://imgur.com/a/yyDAv
[09:52] <Darkside_> oh, an old radio
[09:52] <jakeio> Definitely getting image packets in.
[09:52] <Darkside_> built in cambridge in 1960
[09:52] <Darkside_> working on restoring it
[09:53] <fsphil> nice one
[09:53] <Darkside_> i mean, its working, but it needs some cleaned contacts
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it worth installing v1.6 direct from git rather than rob's 1.7 version ?
[09:54] <jakeio> Tried that earlier.
[09:54] <jakeio> Same issue.
[09:54] <fsphil> yes. don't ruin it by sticking a raspberry pi in it. I've seen people do that
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah
[09:55] <Darkside_> fsphil: https://goo.gl/photos/VB2H6S8cTGoGnhGq5
[09:55] <Darkside_> currently partially disassembled
[09:56] <fsphil> OUTER TONE
[09:56] <Darkside_> :P
[09:56] <fsphil> the front of that looks like old wallpaper
[09:56] <fsphil> love it
[09:56] <Darkside_> heh
[09:58] <jakeio> Right, I'm absolutely lost on why this isn't uploading!
[09:58] <fsphil> no errors at all?
[09:58] <jakeio> Nope.
[09:59] <jakeio> Just not saying anything about uploading.
[09:59] <jakeio> Nothing in logtail.
[09:59] <fsphil> ssdv won't appear in logtail
[09:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it just ssdv or telemetry as well ?
[09:59] <jakeio> Both.
[09:59] <jakeio> Neither uploading.
[09:59] <fsphil> ah
[10:00] <fsphil> does it have internet access?
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> right well I just git pull the latest from rob's version and its updating my position fine
[10:00] <jakeio> Yes, my own python implementation uploads fine.
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> is it n the same machine or a different IP address ?
[10:01] <jakeio> Same pi.
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> humm
[10:02] <fsphil> are you uploading atm?
[10:02] <jakeio> Trying to.
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[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> your position isn't shown on the map either
[10:02] <fsphil> no errors ssdv server side
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> so User telem not going up either
[10:03] <fsphil> doesnt' look to be getting this far
[10:03] <jakeio> Right, it's doing telem atm.
[10:03] <fsphil> no requests to the api upload query at all
[10:03] <jakeio> I'll say once it starts SSDV.
[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> do you have the position info and other user info in the config file ?
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[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you get even "Uploaded listener G8DHE-rpi1 position 50.827999,-0.382460" your equivalent at least displyed when it starts ?
[10:06] <jakeio> Erm, no...
[10:06] <jakeio> I've not seen that at least.
[10:06] <jakeio> Where would that appear?
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> As soon as it starts you get log info displayed below the green panels including that
[10:06] <jakeio> My panels are blue.
[10:06] <jakeio> ANd no info nope.
[10:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> You don't have latest version then
[10:07] <jakeio> Wait, my panels are blue and I'm using rharrison v1.7.18 alpha
[10:07] <jakeio> And I'm not sshing in, I'm using HDMI.
[10:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> MORJX - LoRa Habitat and SSDV Gateway V1.7.18 Alpha forked from daveake
[10:07] <jakeio> Yup.
[10:07] <jakeio> But it's blue.
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> says mine Yellow on Green
[10:08] <jakeio> RIght.
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> are you using colour in putty settings
[10:08] <jakeio> This is wierd.
[10:08] <jakeio> Not using putty.
[10:08] <jakeio> I'm HDMIed in.
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> the latest version has the colours changed as I moaned I couldn;t tell the three version apart!
[10:09] <jakeio> Shall I git pull make clean make?
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> I did a couple of moments ago to check
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> and I'm uploadng listerner te;em
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> telem
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> but that doesn't explain why the 1.6 version master didn't work
[10:10] <jakeio> Just did git pull "already up to date"
[10:11] <jakeio> Right.
[10:12] <jakeio> If I delete the directory.
[10:12] <jakeio> I'll walk through the commands I do to install it.
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tis is my screen http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/LoRa/index.php?ind=1
[10:12] <bertrik> did you run make (sorry if this is a silly question)?
[10:13] <jakeio> I did.
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[10:13] <jakeio> git clone https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway.git
[10:13] <jakeio> Run that.
[10:13] <jakeio> Now cd lora-gateway and make
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[10:14] <jakeio> Now I'm copying in my gateway.txt
[10:15] <jakeio> And about to run.
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[10:16] <dbrooke> was there not some problem with DOS line endings in gateway.txt at some point? might be worth making sure yours is clean
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still no listener telemetry appearing
[10:17] <jakeio> Right, reinstalled from PiInTheSky repo.
[10:17] <jakeio> v1.6 by daveake.
[10:17] <dbrooke> unix2dos gateway.txt
[10:17] <dbrooke> sorry dos2unix doh!
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> that has to be the only common thing between all tries so far
[10:18] <dbrooke> at one point the sample file had the wrong line endings so if it was based on that ...
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[10:20] <jakeio> Done that.
[10:20] <jakeio> No change.
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[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> what log text do you get on screen ?
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[10:22] <jakeio> Ohoooooo!
[10:22] <jakeio> Upload listener SAMPI position 0,0
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now to get your co=ords set up
[10:23] <jakeio> Well, I'm going to be in a car...
[10:23] <jakeio> ALso.
[10:23] <jakeio> Failed for URL 'http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/f0c5bdb6ba0bbee76916e6419bd22d984b10e60d1bda21bc35783526d9525acb'
[10:23] <jakeio> curl_easy_perform() failed: HTTP response code said error
[10:23] <jakeio> error: The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden
[10:24] <Vaizki> any idea why a laptop builtin ublox receiver would reset everything 30mins or so?
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[10:25] <Vaizki> it closes serial port, loses all SVs etc
[10:25] <jakeio> Why am I getting 403 forbidden!?
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[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just spotted dave's master is updated so pull ing that
[10:27] <jakeio> I think that 403 might be ratelimiting?
[10:28] <jakeio> How can I access the SSDV logs?
[10:28] <jakeio> IT'S UPLOADING!
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Didn't think that was a problem
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[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that REGGIE you jakeio ?
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> are yes see the callsign
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[10:30] <fsphil> what was it in the end?
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Line endings ?
[10:31] <fsphil> noo not that again
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah dave has kept the screen green rather than blue for the master as well just relaised ...
[10:32] <dbrooke> judging by the emails I received from github he's merged all Rob's work and several other fixes
[10:33] <dbrooke> I've not updated yet though
[10:33] <jakeio> I am REGGIE.
[10:37] <PE2BZ> Welcom REGGIE :-)
[10:42] <jakeio> Launching in the rain... :(
[10:45] <Vaizki> watch out for underfill
[10:45] <Vaizki> rain will make your balloon heavier
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[10:46] <PE2BZ> dos2unix gateway.txt could be in the code....
[10:47] <mfa298> better to fix the code to accept either line ending.
[10:48] <PE2BZ> +1 to that fix
[10:48] <PE2BZ> which editors do create this bug ?
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> We don't know that it was ...
[10:49] <dbrooke> I think it may have been made tolerant in the latest/upcoming build
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[10:54] <jakeio> Just to notify anyone who wants to help track SKIPI and SKIPI2/REGGIE, launch is pushed back to 12:30-13:00 ish.
[10:54] <jakeio> Waiting for a gap in the rain.
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that 3 callsigns now ?
[10:56] <jakeio> Well...
[10:56] <jakeio> SKIPI 1 is RTTY, SKIPI 2 is LoRa and REGGIE is what I call images sent by SKIPI2.
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah OK
[10:56] <jakeio> Cause SKIPI2 was originally called REGGIE.
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Changed by Deed Poll I hope ;-)
[10:57] <jakeio> No, changed because I was talking about it in my UCAS personal statement...
[10:59] <dbrooke> PE2BZ: it's sometimes caused when a DOS/Windows editor is used on a Unix file, perhaps over a network file system
[11:00] <dbrooke> git has some overrides available which may help in some cases https://help.github.com/articles/dealing-with-line-endings/
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[11:01] <jakeio> Oh.
[11:02] <jakeio> I know.
[11:02] <jakeio> I copied the config in through PUTTY.
[11:02] <M0RJX> hexdump and look for /r's
[11:02] <M0RJX> hexdump -c iirc
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
[11:14] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: re the green screen I didn't spot that. It only kicks in if the terminal has 256 colours, which mine wasn't. I'll sort it later - am out today.
[11:14] <daveake> Re linefeeds, didn't Rob fix that one?
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> No rush daveake, I can see its down as BVlue in the window colours so must be set elsewher!
[11:17] <daveake> There's some code which does if 256 ... Else blue
[11:18] <daveake> Needs removing
[11:18] <M0RJX> that was there for distinguishing
[11:18] <M0RJX> its in gateway.c
[11:18] <daveake> Yes, just didn't spot it
[11:18] <M0RJX> if COLORS = 256 blah blah IIRC
[11:19] <M0RJX> daveake, we close to a release ?
[11:19] <daveake> Did that earlier
[11:19] <M0RJX> Ooh missed it
[11:19] <M0RJX> 1.7 :-)
[11:20] <daveake> 2 things left on my list but wanted to get this out before jakeios flight
[11:20] <daveake> 1.8
[11:20] <M0RJX> wow :-)
[11:20] <M0RJX> Check you
[11:21] <M0RJX> eta for jakeio'f flight?
[11:21] <daveake> Yeah, upissuing a speciality
[11:21] <M0RJX> flight UK?
[11:21] <jakeio> Anytime in the next 40 mins M0RJX.
[11:21] <M0RJX> !flights
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Current flights: 03FLIHI_NK 10(4f8f), 03SKIPI and SKIPI2 Launch 2 10(054d), 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[11:21] <jakeio> Launch from Monmouth.
[11:21] <M0RJX> Yeah I can track
[11:21] <jakeio> Thank you!
[11:22] <daveake> Some fixes plus more flexible uploads
[11:22] <M0RJX> Time to test all those fixes. I'm expecting every rx to be credited
[11:22] <M0RJX> flexible uploads
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[11:22] <M0RJX> I guess I sould read the readme.MD
[11:23] <daveake> Good plan
[11:24] <daveake> Someone has to :-)
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[11:24] <M0RJX> for the lazy people like me https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/blob/master/README.md#change-history
[11:24] <daveake> Also issued new pits with matching changes to the upload
[11:25] <M0RJX> so should we be working in json format now
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[11:29] <daveake> Working on the config tomorrow
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[11:38] <PE2BZ> dbrooke tnx for explanation. I do use nano on SSH´ed pi´s luckily without problems.
[11:40] <M0RJX> you could do with an exit gracefully if the gateway.txt is missing rather than just crashing out of ncurses
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[11:42] <daveake> Yes
[11:43] <daveake> Though for that one, renaming the sample file would be best
[11:43] <daveake> But in general yeah needs a tidying exit
[11:43] <PE2BZ> daveake , does ¨working on the config¨ include keeping the gateway.txt out of git´s updates ?
[11:43] <M0RJX> how would renaming the file work?
[11:44] <daveake> If config.txt missing rename sample as config.txt, then open
[11:44] <M0RJX> if !exists gateway-sample = gateway
[11:44] <M0RJX> Yep same thing
[11:44] <M0RJX> config.txt or gateway.txt
[11:44] <daveake> Yeah
[11:45] <daveake> Hard enough typing on phone let alone remembering right file names
[11:45] <M0RJX> lol
[11:46] <daveake> Pipe error fixed btw
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[11:46] <M0RJX> I will do one last big fix of the code and then I'm calling it quits to move it into separate files for lora, config & GUI separation
[11:47] <M0RJX> Yep as noted on the interrrupt
[11:47] <daveake> Afk getting wet in Wales
[11:47] <M0RJX> !nicw wx
[11:47] <M0RJX> nice
[11:51] <M0RJX> !flights
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Current flights: 03FLIHI_NK 10(4f8f), 03SKIPI and SKIPI2 Launch 2 10(054d), 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[11:51] <M0RJX> which is jakeio's flight?
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> SKIPI
[11:51] <M0RJX> Cheers geoff
[11:52] <M0RJX> !dial SKIPI
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): none
[11:52] <M0RJX> !dial SKIPI2
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03SKIPI2 10(054d): none
[11:52] <M0RJX> :-0
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not launched yet and no freq. updates on LoRa anyway
[11:52] <M0RJX> !mailing list
[11:53] <PE2BZ> !mailing list is not available in your language. Try again later
[11:54] <M0RJX> lol
[11:54] <M0RJX> SKIPI (RTTY, 434.650MHz, 450Hz shift, 75 baud, 8 bit ASCII, 2 stopbits) and SKIPI2 (LoRa, 869.850MHz, 250kHz BW, SF7, Coding Rate 4/5, explicit headers, low data rate optimization OFF)
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[12:00] <M0RJX> frequency_0=869.850
[12:00] <M0RJX> 29 #mode_0=1
[12:00] <M0RJX> 30
[12:00] <M0RJX> 31 AFC_0=Y
[12:00] <M0RJX> 32 bandwidth_0=250K
[12:00] <M0RJX> 33 implicit_0=0
[12:00] <M0RJX> 34 coding_0=5
[12:00] <M0RJX> 35 sf_0=7
[12:00] <M0RJX> 36 lowopt_0=0
[12:00] <M0RJX> crap wrong screen
[12:00] <M0RJX> does that look right
[12:01] <M0RJX> :1
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[12:03] <jakeio_> Oh god the wind.
[12:03] <M0RJX> lol
[12:03] <M0RJX> are you pico or 4 real ?
[12:03] <jakeio_> Proper HAB.
[12:03] <M0RJX> Arse this is ! the wx for it
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[12:14] <jakeio_> It's less windy!
[12:14] <jakeio_> YAY!
[12:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WY5VRN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WY5VRN-11
[12:21] <jakeio_> Can anyone remind me of the arrangement of the string? 10m, 3m and something?
[12:22] <Darkside_> we generally do balloon---5m---cutdown/parachute---10m---firstpayload---5/10m---secondpayload
[12:22] <Darkside_> or something like that
[12:23] <jakeio_> Would that be 1m lengths to connect to the payload?
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Shorter above parachute to balloon then below to payload so balloon doesn't tangle when it hangs down
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[12:26] <jakeio_> So, 2 1m loops around the payload?
[12:27] <PE2BZ> m0rjx perhaps an idea for updated config for gateway: consequently use either Y / N or 1 / 0 for the configuration settings ?
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Doesn't it do that already ?
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[12:30] <PE2BZ> I see lowopt_0=0 and we use enable habitat = Y or N so I would say no, it doesn´t ?
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not sure the lowopt_ works anyway
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> noticed the other day forgot to report it.
[12:31] <PE2BZ> noticed no difference for either Y N 0 or 1 indeed.
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[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> reported as an issue
[12:36] Action: PE2BZ likes REGGIE´s images being upright now :-)
[12:37] <jakeio_> May I ask who's going to help out with my tracking?
[12:37] <jakeio_> And thanks PE2BZ!
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm waiting for you both bands
[12:37] <jakeio_> Thanks!
[12:37] <jakeio_> Thank you so much!
[12:38] <Ron_G8FJG> I'm ready
[12:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> don't clash with the F1 Q3 please ;-)
[12:38] <Ron_G8FJG> is it on now?
[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Q2 is running 11 minutes left
[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 1 minute left rather
[12:39] <Ron_G8FJG> might not be so ready1
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[12:39] <Ron_G8FJG> !
[12:39] <jakeio_> Ron_G8FJG, not yet released.
[12:40] <Ron_G8FJG> as long as the antenna stays on we'll be ok :-))
[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3FVR_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3FVR_chase
[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CX1AA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CX1AA-11
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[12:54] <jakeio_> Just filling balloon now.
[12:54] <jakeio_> We're behind due to horrid rain.
[12:58] <Maxell> :o
[12:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EI7JQ _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EI7JQ%20_chase
[13:00] <AndyEsser> o? there's a launch today?
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Any moment now
[13:00] <AndyEsser> gah
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> F1 Q3 finished so back up stairs!
[13:01] <AndyEsser> this laptop doesn't have SDR Console on
[13:01] <AndyEsser> or dl-fldigi
[13:01] Action: AndyEsser goes to download all the things
[13:01] <Maxell> Hey guys, does it matter for HABs if I mount the yagi hozirontal?
[13:01] <Maxell> I have this piece of pipe that might interfere with the antenna
[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:02] <Maxell> or is the loss due to miss-alignment more than the mast it's mounted on?
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its much better to be vertically mounted you will loose several dB being horizontal
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you not offset from the pipe so it can still go vertical ?
[13:08] <PE2BZ> Loss between horizontal and vertical is at least 20 dB
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> or end mount ?
[13:08] <Ron_G8FJG> I get over 20db diffence
[13:08] <Ron_G8FJG> difference
[13:09] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: PE2BZ: Ron_G8FJG: yeah but I need to mount it -now-
[13:09] <Ron_G8FJG> run
[13:09] <Maxell> I won't have time for an "uithouder"
[13:09] <Maxell> :p
[13:09] <Maxell> What is the middle of "HAB" UK? London?
[13:10] <Maxell> Or more Oxford? It's all UK from The Hague :)
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> from where ?
[13:10] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: West Netherlands
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> aim for Birmingham from NL
[13:11] <Maxell> Looks Good
[13:11] <Ron_G8FJG> uithouder I had to look it up
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[13:12] <Maxell> http://www.d-d-s.nl/foto-antenne/20-s-1b.jpg ?
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[13:14] <Ron_G8FJG> Kenwood electric mixers create 10db wideband noise at 60ft on 434 ,,still the cakes are nice.
[13:14] <SIbot> In real units: 60 ft = 18 m
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[13:14] <Ron_G8FJG> might be 20 mtrs
[13:15] <Maxell> ill have a look
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> 45 degrees might be better than horizontal
[13:16] <jakeio_> Launching in 3 mins.
[13:16] <jakeio_> WInd is awful.
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be fun at that location then the trees look highish!
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[13:18] <gonzo__> a two line launch?
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[13:20] <PE2BZ> Maxell Tyraps ?
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its away ?
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes
[13:25] <jakeio_> Got stuck in a tree, we freed ot.
[13:25] <gonzo__> oops
[13:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> !:-)
[13:26] <jakeio_> Still txing.
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[13:30] <dbrooke> ssdv normally gives us close-ups of tree branches after landing 8-)
[13:32] <BubUK> afternoon
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKIPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI_chase
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[13:40] <Ron_G8FJG> SKIPI 434.646
[13:40] <Ron_G8FJG> got skipi2
[13:41] <PE0SAT> !flights
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> 03PE0SAT: Current flights: 03FLIHI_NK 10(4f8f), 03SKIPI and SKIPI2 Launch 2 10(054d), 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[13:43] <Ron_G8FJG> I'm getting forbidden url messages switching back to old copy
[13:43] <Ron_G8FJG> looks like its uploading I'll leave it
[13:44] <M0RJX> PE2BZ, Not my baby I got into trouble with daveake playing with the config before best send it his way
[13:44] <Ian_> PE2BZ has your ssdv camera run out of colour or is it really monochrome in NL today?
[13:45] <PE0SAT> !dial SKIPI2
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE0SAT: Latest dials for 03SKIPI2 10(054d): none
[13:45] <PE0SAT> !dial SKIPI
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE0SAT: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): 03434.6452 MHz
[13:46] <AndyEsser> Green circle needs to get closer to me :(
[13:46] <Ron_G8FJG> SKIPI2 on 869.860 here
[13:46] <M0RJX> rain here :-(
[13:47] <PE0SAT> Ron_G8FJG: Thanks
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[13:48] <AndyEsser> not the speediest ascent rate
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> its slowed down from 5m/s earlier maybe moisture ?
[13:50] <mfa298> not sure it's the strongest of signals either
[13:50] <mfa298> I keep hearign bits of rtty and then it goes back down into the noise
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> can see it on 434 wf but nothing obvious yet for me on869
[13:51] <fsphil> there are an awful lot of "Invalid CRC" responses from the ssdv server atm
[13:51] <mfa298> I've not seen any lora yet, but don't know if thats weak signal or my setup - not done lora before
[13:52] <jakeio_> I've got strong LoRa from beneath it.
[13:52] <jakeio_> It the ascent rate dangerously low?
[13:52] <dbrooke> fsphil: my gateway seems to be constantly retrying for some reason, maybe it doesn't handle rejection from the server properly?
[13:53] <dbrooke> it's the V1.6 BTW (to avoid confusion)
[13:53] <fsphil> can you restart it dbrooke?
[13:53] <fsphil> yeah it might be constantly re-trying a bad packet
[13:54] <jakeio_> Guys, is that ascent too slow?
[13:54] <fsphil> dbrooke: seems to have stopped here
[13:54] <dbrooke> fsphil: stopped it now, it was certainly a bad packet as the callsign was corrupt
[13:54] <PE2BZ> Ian_ I had it switched to monochrome high sensitivity by night and the weather here is monochrome indeed ;-)
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> pictures show its between cloud layers so it might y now be in the upper one and wet
[13:55] <dbrooke> looks like it tries forever as the queues never empty
[13:55] <dbrooke> I'll start it again but if it causes a problem for the server let me know
[13:56] <fsphil> dbrooke: no problem, just thought it was odd
[13:57] <AndyEsser> come on green circle, you can do it... move North
[13:57] <fsphil> something for daveake or M0RJX to fix, not sure who wrote that bit
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I was having similar with latest version as well, and just restarted it
[13:57] <fsphil> it's happening again
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ch1: SSDV Packet, Callsign REGGIE, Image 60, Packet 121
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Failed for URL 'http://ssdv.habhub.org/api/v0/packets'
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> curl_easy_perform() failed: HTTP response code said error
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> error: The requested URL returned error: 400
[13:57] <AndyEsser> jakeio_: 5m/s is typically what people aim for - it's not 'dangerous' by any means
[13:57] <dbrooke> yeah, mine is retrying again
[13:57] <AndyEsser> just means it takes a while for more listeners to see it
[13:58] <fsphil> so if it sees a 400 response it should give up
[13:58] <M0RJX> dbrooke, move to the latest version!!! T
[13:58] <Ron_G8FJG> image 59 non missing !
[13:58] <M0RJX> Yay
[13:58] <M0RJX> Is everyone decoding getting credit these days
[13:59] <fsphil> is this the first live test of the new gateway upload code?
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes think so
[13:59] <M0RJX> yes appart from testing
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5LCY-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5LCY-7
[13:59] <M0RJX> ahh yeah live
[13:59] <M0RJX> looks dry up there
[13:59] <fsphil> hazy
[14:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> which version are you running Ron_G8FJG ?
[14:00] <jakeio_> AndyEsser, I was aiming for 5 but the combo of rain and filling in the wind meant it's a little lo.
[14:00] <dbrooke> M0RJX: I've got some local changes, but I'll see if the upstream version will merge easily
[14:00] <fsphil> 3.3m/s should be fine jakeio_
[14:00] <fsphil> what size of balloon?
[14:00] <Ron_G8FJG> M0RJX 1.7.18
[14:01] <AndyEsser> jakeio_: to be expected too be honest
[14:01] <AndyEsser> s/to/too
[14:01] <mfa298> jakeio_: the rate is climbing a bit now so I'd suspect it's ok, might just move the landing point
[14:01] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I really need to finish my demod....
[14:01] <Ron_G8FJG> Its the telemetry packets the gateway doesn't like?
[14:02] <AndyEsser> fsphil: is pulse audio x-platform?
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[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its taking my telelmetry not SSDV as well
[14:02] <fsphil> I suspect it's linux-only
[14:02] <AndyEsser> joy...
[14:02] <fsphil> or at least unixy-only
[14:02] <fsphil> use portaudio
[14:02] <AndyEsser> will have to make windows ugliness for the capture
[14:02] <AndyEsser> wait... that's what I meant
[14:02] <AndyEsser> I think
[14:02] <AndyEsser> :P
[14:02] <fsphil> ah
[14:02] <fsphil> then yes, portaudio is cross platform :)
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah some are getting thru now
[14:03] Action: AndyEsser is suddenly concerned he didn't commit code into repo...
[14:03] <jakeio_> That incident with the tree was awful.
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes obviously corrupt packets
[14:03] <fsphil> M0RJX: gonna need that bad packet check
[14:03] <fsphil> M0RJX: the crc32 test
[14:04] <M0RJX> Yep well I'll put it in my fork
[14:05] <M0RJX> !dial SKIPI2
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03SKIPI2 10(054d): none
[14:05] <M0RJX> !dial SKIPI
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): none
[14:05] <AndyEsser> oof, running wrong version of fldigi
[14:05] <M0RJX> lol
[14:05] <M0RJX> Ive donr that
[14:05] <AndyEsser> is there a flag to put it in hab mode?
[14:05] <AndyEsser> it's not appearing on my start menu
[14:05] <fsphil> --hab
[14:05] <AndyEsser> ta
[14:05] <M0RJX> do we have frequency for 869
[14:05] <Ron_G8FJG> skipi rtty about 15-20 db down on "normal"
[14:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> F869.853 for me
[14:06] <M0RJX> thnaks
[14:06] <Ron_G8FJG> 869.862 for me
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/SKIPI_20160903/index.php?ind=2
[14:09] <Ron_G8FJG> My image 60 is no lost packets.. but a no show on ssdv live
[14:10] <M0RJX> Explicit, 250k, SF7, EC4:5 LDRO
[14:10] <M0RJX> Is this the correct settings?
[14:11] <dbrooke> M0RJX: fsphil: looks like V1.8.0 doesn't have the perpetual retry issue, though I'm still seeing a fair few 400s
[14:11] <M0RJX> Ron_G8FJG, you have the habitat and ssdv enabled
[14:11] <Ron_G8FJG> yes
[14:11] <M0RJX> Well in the old days 400 we'rt reported
[14:11] <M0RJX> But these are CRC32 errors
[14:12] <AndyEsser> I'd have expected to hear it by now :(
[14:13] <AndyEsser> !dial SKIPI
[14:13] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): 03434.65 MHz
[14:13] <AndyEsser> !dial SKIPI2
[14:13] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03SKIPI2 10(054d): none
[14:13] <mfa298> AndyEsser: it seems to be quite weak, and is sittign at a carrier quite a bit of the tiem
[14:13] <AndyEsser> hmm
[14:14] <mfa298> I'm on .646 and the carrier was around 1200Hz on the waterfall
[14:14] <AndyEsser> I've got something pretty solid at .650 coming through, with occasionally blips just below, but doesn't sound RTTY
[14:14] <fsphil> doubtful I'll hear it then
[14:14] <dbrooke> I wonder if the chosen coding scheme is more susceptible to false positive LoRa CRC as I don't remember this from Dave's flights
[14:14] <Maxell> There we go! https://i.sigio.nl/8fdf1232692f4c2af0fe0597fddd62ff.jpg
[14:15] <Maxell> It took 4 years...
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[14:17] <AndyEsser> can hear an odd blip that sounds like it might be RTTY
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[14:20] <jakeio_> My friend sent me this after I sent him the SSDV link...
[14:20] <jakeio_> https://images-2.discordapp.net/.eJwVwksKwyAQANC7uPczM0aZLAtJ6LY3kERMSlJF7ar07qWP9xHveopR7L2XNmq9HW3NdVOt5xpSVCnndMZQjqbWfOnQe1j3K7560-AH9OzBIyGTZUCNCI4G8kzeGkcOWKMBJw1LQ1KC_bcgH9Oy3CfJON_Us8Qkvj-LOycF.Qo8D8gf_cQMuQiorCB3sSCUEMzg.jpeg
[14:21] <fsphil> how did we miss it
[14:21] <Ron_G8FJG> AndyEsser :when its not sending rtty .skipi sends a single carrier that sometimes "blips"
[14:21] <jakeio_> Mind control fsphil.
[14:22] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: PE2BZ: Ron_G8FJG: It's not -that- close to the antenna mast: https://i.sigio.nl/ffee3f4bbb2891f8eff1833e1ac464cc.jpg
[14:22] <fsphil> ah the old someone-elses-problem field
[14:22] <AndyEsser> Ron_G8FJG: yea, can hear RTTY in the noise now, but the SNR is far too low to decode
[14:22] <jakeio_> Ron_G8FJG, yes, that's communication with the GPS, but they're using same serial port.
[14:22] <jakeio_> It's 9600baud...
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still seem to be missing telemetry packets I'm sending up appearing in the count
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[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> My count is 77 but stats say only 8 ....
[14:25] <Ron_G8FJG> end mount prob best http://i.imgur.com/RoykXfQ.jpg
[14:26] <Ron_G8FJG> mine is 418 96 shown
[14:27] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, Ron_G8FJG you are using the latest version 1.8
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup git pull just before starting
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[14:27] <M0RJX> Perfect
[14:27] <PE0SAT> Also reception in NL but to much fading for a complete decode
[14:27] <Ron_G8FJG> using m0rjx 1.7.18
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> mine is m0rpi v1.8.0
[14:28] <M0RJX> Ron that should be ok but I would update to the latest on daveache git
[14:28] <PE2BZ> 14:27:14 Ch0: $$PE2BZ_869,348,14:27:13,51.99154,4.19892,00002,0,0,12,53.0*98EB
[14:28] <fsphil> ake*
[14:29] <PE2BZ> what am I receiving here ?
[14:29] <Ron_G8FJG> I started using 1.8 but lost it when errors started!! I'll try again...why where the immages arriving out of sequence?
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[14:31] <M0RJX> Ron_G8FJG, Ok sorry I'm working at the same time
[14:31] <Ron_G8FJG> I've got 7 versions now..got to find the right? one
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah the 869 telelmetry is sending multipile copies of the same data in some cases 10 copies of the same frame being recieved so maybe not habitat refusing, just stopping duplicates
[14:32] <M0RJX> Yep it will
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[14:32] <Ron_G8FJG> running 1.6 now DOH
[14:33] <garymortimer> Are these images from a Pi camera??
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> believe so
[14:33] <M0RJX> SAMPI needs to update their lat and long
[14:33] <M0RJX> yes
[14:34] <garymortimer> Cool thanks
[14:36] <Ron_G8FJG> now 1.8
[14:37] <Ron_G8FJG> still get error messages with telemetry packet upload
[14:39] <PA0RPA> SKIPPI 1 is NOT detectable here in Holland, some tide weak fragments of RTTY, not detectable , too bad...... Is it right that there was a collision with a tree in the start ?
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[14:40] <sam__> Hello!
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> yUP 434 IS VERY WEAK WITH ME
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sould be romping in
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[14:40] <Ron_G8FJG> Geoff-G8DHE just seen "not habitat refusing, just stopping duplicates" could be the messages go off screen so fast I can't actually read them
[14:41] <Upu> weak here too
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[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> look in the telemetry.txt file and you ill see the number of duplicate packets being sent
[14:41] <jakeio_> Right, I've still got decent signal from both 1 and 2 SKIPI.
[14:41] <jakeio_> Yes, I send every telem packet 5 times.
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> sometimes multipiles of that as well;-)
[14:42] <PE2BZ> Is the 869 on frequency, or far off ?
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> mine is AFC tuned to 869.853
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> but the RFM oscilattors arent that accurate +-/20KHz
[14:43] <Ron_G8FJG> sometimes 8
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[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only a carrier on 434 at the moment ... says that and it restarts!
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[14:52] <Ron_G8FJG> just noticed seems to send each image twice
[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 032E0EBR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=2E0EBR-11
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[14:57] <m0cti> help
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[14:58] <PE2BZ> m0cti qrz ?
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[15:01] <PE0SAT> !flights
[15:01] <SpacenearUS> 03PE0SAT: Current flights: 03FLIHI_NK 10(4f8f), 03SKIPI and SKIPI2 Launch 2 10(054d), 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[15:03] <jakeio_> Bust goddamnit.
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[15:06] <Ron_G8FJG> getting more reliable rtty decodes with dlfldigi 3.23.12 over 3.21.50
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[15:08] <gonzo__> weak here
[15:08] <gonzo__> should be nuch stroinger
[15:08] <jakeio_> I've got incredible strength with my 1/4 wave.
[15:08] <chrisg7ogx> Is the advertised frequency for SKIPI still correct please?
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ron_G8FJG, Agreed just switched
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.646
[15:09] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.646
[15:09] <chrisg7ogx> tks
[15:09] <Ron_G8FJG> snap
[15:13] <jakeio_> Why won't you burst damnit!!!
[15:13] <jakeio_> This is incredible!
[15:15] <jakeio_> I turned my dl-fldigi off a while back to conserve battery.
[15:15] <jakeio_> Still got a string signal though.
[15:16] <garymortimer> what size is this balloon?
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[15:16] <garymortimer> Very good chip shop at Olney
[15:17] <garymortimer> burst
[15:17] <Ron_G8FJG> sounds odd
[15:18] <M0SCJ> !dial
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> 03M0SCJ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:19] <M0SCJ> !dial SKIPI
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> 03M0SCJ: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): 03434.451 MHz
[15:19] <jakeio_> Yup, we're heading down at 70mph1
[15:20] <PE0SAT> SKIPI is like a belly dancer
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[15:23] <jakeio_> Is there anyone around Cambridge who's tracking today?
[15:23] <garymortimer> I would hope it lands near here http://www.thefoxatcarlton.pub/ you missed the beer festival by one weekend
[15:23] <Ron_G8FJG> certainly doing the "twist"
[15:25] <Ron_G8FJG> did you see image 165? it was full of errors ..then on second sending they all filled in.
[15:27] <fsphil> tis rather cloudy over england today
[15:28] <jakeio_> Indeed...
[15:28] <jakeio_> When is it not though...
[15:29] <AndyEsser> once every 500 years, according to prophecy
[15:29] <AndyEsser> at which point it becomes far too warm and I want to die
[15:33] <jakeio_> Who is G6GZH?
[15:33] <jakeio_> You're like 5km from predicted landing spot!
[15:35] <garymortimer> If it goes into the old airfield at Bedford entra
[15:35] <garymortimer> entrance is from the north
[15:35] <garymortimer> glasey wood side
[15:37] <jakeio_> Thanks garymortimer.
[15:37] <garymortimer> Its going to be well past
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> why your chase car is not on the map jakeio ?
[15:39] <jakeio_> It is, SKIPI_chase, we're in Kettering.
[15:39] <jakeio_> Loving those cloud pics.
[15:40] <Ron_G8FJG> soft focus arty shots
[15:46] <garymortimer> Thick cloud
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[15:46] <jakeio_> RAF Wyton, please, please no.
[15:47] <garymortimer> Just what i was going to say
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[15:47] <garymortimer> 01480 52451 Ext 7312
[15:47] <garymortimer> for the station commander
[15:47] <garymortimer> Wing Commander P E Owen MA BSc RAF
[15:48] <jakeio_> Thank you so much garymortimer!
[15:48] <jakeio_> Shall I phone them now?
[15:49] <garymortimer> I don't think so but don't just take my word for it
[15:50] <garymortimer> might go south
[15:51] <jakeio_> Predictions looking OKish.
[15:51] <garymortimer> Its probably seen the sewerage works at godmanchester
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC5SFU-5 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC5SFU-5
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5RIN-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5RIN-8
[15:54] <garymortimer> cloudbase
[15:57] <Ian_> At most you want an Orderly Officer or Orderly Seargeant. The CO won't thank you for disturbing his weekend. The O/Sgt might be a pain, so go for an O/officer if you ever need one at the weekends
[15:58] <garymortimer> It will miss
[15:58] <garymortimer> It has missed
[16:00] <Ian_> Going for the water tower at Bluntisham :)
[16:00] <Ian_> Missed St Ives and headed for open country at least
[16:00] Action: cm13g09 has just caught up on scrollback...
[16:01] <Ron_G8FJG> thats me out of chase...been interesting! must go
[16:01] <garymortimer> raptor foundation ne of maybe
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[16:02] <garymortimer> or just plain e
[16:02] <Ian_> Looks like Burleigh Hill Farm property. How does it know it's down, lack of descent?
[16:03] <garymortimer> Maybe it found that little wood
[16:03] <cm13g09> Ian_: I believe it's lack of descent and height
[16:04] <cm13g09> SKIPI2 is OK to get to
[16:04] <Ian_> Thanks on that. Looks like it might be hung up on the shadows - lucky.
[16:04] <garymortimer> Yes I think so
[16:04] <cm13g09> SKIPI looks like it's a bit harder for the chase team
[16:05] <jakeio_> They're in the same box.
[16:05] <cm13g09> exciting...
[16:05] <jakeio_> :P
[16:05] <Ian_> Bridge Farm - looks like a gate at the end of the track.
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground is about 28m I think you in a tree!
[16:07] <jakeio_> ..
[16:07] <jakeio_> That's the second tree today...
[16:07] <Ian_> Ha, Mr Google says farm might be for sale. Watch for farmer - You don't want to 'buy the farm'
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its obviously got a liking for them ;-)
[16:09] <Ian_> C Rose & Son Tel: 01487 841317 Heath Farm, The Heath, Bluntisham, Huntingdon, PE28 3LQ
[16:09] <Ian_> Sounds about right
[16:09] <Ian_> Just in case the gate it locked and you don't fancy walking across the road to ask
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[16:10] <Ian_> Got that jakeio
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[16:16] <garymortimer> lets hope they are on the track...
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Top of the trees! Hope you have a pole with you ?
[16:17] <Ian_> I think that from the update time at 1659 we are censored from watching the chase car
[16:17] <Ian_> Not quite the same excitement as offered by Steve and Dave
[16:18] <Ian_> Textbook landing though.
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> tree to tree
[16:20] <Ian_> With a larger balloon, need a 10m length of cord below the package and an oz or two of lead to cut through the branches
[16:22] <cm13g09> Oh.. did they encounter a tree on the way up?
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-09-03--13-24-49-REGGIE-92C9.jpeg?u=210
[16:23] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: WHOOPS
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[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was a bit breezy ;-)
[16:24] <cm13g09> yeah
[16:24] <cm13g09> Been like it all day down here
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[16:30] <M0SCJ> !dial SKIPI
[16:30] <SpacenearUS> 03M0SCJ: Latest dials for 03SKIPI 10(054d): none
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[16:36] <jakeio_> Really high up...
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[16:42] <jakeio_> We can see it.
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[17:02] <PE2BZ> It´s moving
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> If it's moving, we can kill it.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Wait - wrong movie.
[17:05] <PE2BZ> SpeedEvil Yes We Can !
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> A Face
[17:08] <PE2BZ> Revenge of the balloon
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[17:09] <Laurenceb__> its moving on the ground?
[17:09] <PE2BZ> Anyone knows where this one came from ? https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=9&qm=1_day&mc=51.67223,4.64839&f=2E0EBR-11
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[17:13] <jakeio_> Found it!
[17:14] <PE2BZ> jakeio_ Great to hear ! Congrats !
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[17:15] <jakeio_> I say "found! we knew where it was for ages, staring at it from 16m elow.
[17:15] <jakeio_> We've now cut down some tress (with permission) and got it down.
[17:15] <jakeio_> Splendid!
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[17:17] <SpeedEvil> yay
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[17:30] <garymortimer> Well done
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[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[18:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU8MA_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU8MA_chase
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[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> cqGB3VRGB3RV
[19:59] <Laurenceb__> http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/148823.jpg
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[20:03] <SpeedEvil> ^pretty much the level of prior political analysis
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[20:17] <AndyEsser> god I hate windows
[20:17] Action: AndyEsser considers dualbooting laptop
[20:18] <mfa298> are you allowed to do that on a surface ?
[20:18] <AndyEsser> allowed?
[20:19] <AndyEsser> there are documented issues with it
[20:19] <AndyEsser> hence why I've been reluctant to try it
[20:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[20:19] <mfa298> I'd have thought the MS police would be knocking on the door for even thinking about such a thing on a surface (or is this on a different laptop)
[20:20] <AndyEsser> no no, it's for the surface
[20:20] <AndyEsser> but I own the device, it just happens to be made by Microsoft - they can't stop be putting another OS on it
[20:20] <AndyEsser> s/be/me
[20:21] <AndyEsser> although suspect I'll have issues with secure boot which might break the windows install
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> AndyEsser: sure they can.
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[20:26] <Upu> APRS tracker AndyEsser :)
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[20:27] <AndyEsser> Upu: ta :)
[20:27] <AndyEsser> assumed it was a tracker of some sort (saw the GPS chip) but didn't see it being APRS
[20:27] <Upu> though between you and me its trivial to make it work with an NTX2B rather than a HX1
[20:27] <Upu> but not selling that
[20:28] <AndyEsser> between you, me and the rest of the publically logged IRC channel ;)
[20:28] <Upu> oopsie
[20:29] <Upu> its for the US market
[20:29] <AndyEsser> I guessed
[20:31] <AndyEsser> is APRS any good?
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[20:31] <AndyEsser> I appreciate it can't be used over certain areas (like the US), just wondered what the benefits were
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> APRS can be used over the US
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> not the UK
[20:32] <AndyEsser> that's what I meant...
[20:32] <AndyEsser> can't type
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> The benefits are it works outside the UK, pretty much, unlike the HAB network
[20:32] <AndyEsser> ha, fair enough
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> (with 'uk' loosely defined)
[20:32] <AndyEsser> SpeedEvil: fuzzy borders extending over the EU in parts ;)
[20:32] <AndyEsser> s/the EU/Europe
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> If your balloon is going to go >1000km from london, you probably want APRS
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> (or some other comms method)
[20:34] <AndyEsser> so the protocol itself doesn't offer any benefits over RTTY/LORA?
[20:34] <daveake> It's the existence of live receive stations that makes the difference
[20:34] <Upu> its a little more complex that that, APRS can be repeated
[20:34] <Upu> and its automated
[20:35] <Upu> only operates on one frequency
[20:35] <daveake> The protocol is ... interesting ... and the range is inferior to rtty/lora
[20:35] <Upu> yes
[20:35] <AndyEsser> ok thanks
[20:35] <Upu> but you don't need need to tell people you're launchgin
[20:35] <Upu> as it just works
[20:36] <Upu> which why our American chums have traditionally not used our stuff
[20:36] <AndyEsser> how dare they
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> Also - at least historically - APRS modems have weight eight tons and used 4300W.
[20:37] <AndyEsser> nice and mobile then
[20:37] <daveake> This is where upu posts his pico americana gif
[20:38] <Upu> I don't even need to parody http://www.byonics.com/mt-aio
[20:39] <AndyEsser> "micro"
[20:39] <Upu> "he MT-AIO weighs only 14 oz without batteries"
[20:39] <Upu> 14oz
[20:39] <Laurenceb__> come on si bot
[20:40] <Upu> I know I am disappoint
[20:40] <daveake> "micro"
[20:40] <Upu> 0.5kg
[20:40] <Laurenceb__> lul my first payload was lighter than that
[20:40] <Laurenceb__> with old nokia
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> Leos payload was not open sourced ?
[20:41] <Upu> in fairness they do this
[20:41] <Upu> http://www.byonics.com/mt-300
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ (as that did APRS too on a ridiculously teeny board)
[20:41] <Upu> you just need to add power, GPS etc
[20:41] <Upu> No SpeedEvil
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[20:41] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil: you do not _want_ to see the source
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:42] <Laurenceb__> crazy amount of pic asm :D
[20:42] <Laurenceb__> Leo "opensourced" the basic principles he was using
[20:42] <amell> Gee, seems I missed a balloon landing next to my house today
[20:42] <Laurenceb__> its all in the chatlog
[20:42] <amell> I had no idea it was going to land so close
[20:43] <amell> Someone should have emailed me :)
[20:43] <amell> jakeio: I am about a mile or two from your landing site..
[20:43] <Laurenceb__> spotted eroomde: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.msg1578050#msg1578050
[20:44] <jakeio> Ah, well. We met a very nice farmer who let us cut down his trees.
[20:44] <Laurenceb__> maybe someone could write a GUI in visual basic to find out why falcon 9 blew up
[20:44] Action: AndyEsser gets nostalgic for VB6 style GUIs
[20:45] Action: SpeedEvil zooms and enhances.
[20:45] <amell> Maybe someone should provide mr hillcox with a spare detached human finger?
[20:46] <daveake> He seems intent on the wrong type of digital solution
[20:47] <AndyEsser> daveake: I did chuckle when I saw his email
[20:47] <amell> Seriously on falcon 9 I think it may well have been an oxygen fire. It doesn't take much. A small metal particle travelling at high velocity in the fuelling system even
[20:47] <AndyEsser> "Please tell me this isn't just to keep a screen from turning off"
[20:47] <amell> I appreciated mr bodnars reference to standards
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[20:48] <AndyEsser> there's a spec for everything these days
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[20:48] <amell> I'm sure he made it up
[20:48] <Upu> http://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/simone-giertz-the-wake-up-machine-designboom-02.gif
[20:48] <Upu> that should sort Hillcocks out
[20:48] <amell> But I'm not going to trawl through the spec to be sure
[20:49] <AndyEsser> Upu: she has some awesome stuff
[20:49] <amell> Ha that works
[20:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I'm giving up trying to get my demod stuff working on windows for now - will just install VirtualBox and run a Ubuntu VM
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[21:01] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: You probably can't use the UK license for APRS on a balloon over the US though, if you actually read the regs of the visited country. (readong some scrollback)
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: In principle, yes.
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[22:08] <Ian_> AndyEsser, Windows 10 runs Ubuntu with Bash natively - Now
[22:08] <Ian_> No need for a dual boot.
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[22:09] <Ian_> As for the UEFI, well - someone let the cat out of the bag a little while ago and the Golden key is now out in the wild, so in theory anyone can sign their own apps!
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[22:11] <Ian_> http://www.informationweek.com/software/productivity-collaboration-apps/microsoft-leaks-secure-boot-key-raises-security-concerns/d/d-id/1326582
[22:12] <Ian_> So next time you think about putting in a backdoor to an app, you may as well tell the world as it won't take long to be discovered or leaked
[22:12] <Ian_> One the Genie is out of the bottle - it ain't going to go back in.
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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