highaltitude.log.20160831

[00:04] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxZblVUkMU
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Still a better movie than twilight
[00:21] <Laurenceb__> lul
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[02:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MAVIS_1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MAVIS_1
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-3 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-3
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[06:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[08:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLOONOLO-CHASE_CAR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-CHASE_CAR
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[09:21] <jakeio> Why are there two RF-GND pins on the NTX2B?
[09:22] <AndyEsser> probably because they're either side of the ANT pin
[09:22] Action: AndyEsser uses wavey hands
[09:22] <AndyEsser> they stop RF leakage
[09:22] <AndyEsser> i dunno
[09:22] <AndyEsser> :P
[09:23] <craag> a pin either side makes a 'better' connection, due to rf, inductance, 'n stuff
[09:23] <craag> always connect both if you can
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[10:08] <yo2loj> Hi
[10:08] <fsphil> howdy
[10:08] <yo2loj> Can anyone give me the couch uri for fl-digi?
[10:09] <yo2loj> I deleted it and don't want to reconfigure everything...
[10:09] <yo2loj> by going back to defaults.
[10:09] <fsphil> uri: http://habitat.habhub.org
[10:09] <fsphil> db: habitat
[10:10] <yo2loj> Tnx.
[10:13] <AndyEsser> o0o get to order an FT817 tomorrow :)
[10:13] <edmoore> it's a lovely thing
[10:15] <AndyEsser> I will unpack it, plug it all in, then resist temptation to click the mic button for 1/2 second :P
[10:15] <AndyEsser> although I can't easily connect to my antenna anyway
[10:15] <edmoore> have you a license yet?
[10:16] <AndyEsser> no
[10:16] <edmoore> ah
[10:16] <AndyEsser> next weekend, at the conference, I'm taking my exam
[10:16] <edmoore> yes resist that temptation
[10:16] <edmoore> cool
[10:16] <edmoore> splendidly timely
[10:16] <AndyEsser> should probably reread the book again between now and then
[10:16] <craag> and you'll be bringing it along to use in the practicals too right?
[10:16] <AndyEsser> yes
[10:16] <craag> :)
[10:17] <AndyEsser> and then we'll find out I've bought a dud that can't TX
[10:17] <AndyEsser> :P
[10:17] <edmoore> and a car battery
[10:17] <craag> err yeah check the battery
[10:17] <AndyEsser> Yea, kind of always assumed if I grab one from eBay that the battery may be suspect, or missing
[10:17] <AndyEsser> guess it's not worth buying new?
[10:17] <adamgreig> eh, they run on AA batteries
[10:18] <adamgreig> they come with a 6xAA NiMH pack that, eh
[10:18] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: have seen some lilsted that say they've removed the AA battery tray
[10:18] <adamgreig> you can get aftermarket lipos
[10:18] <AndyEsser> I think
[10:18] <AndyEsser> months ago I last looked
[10:18] <adamgreig> oh yea the AAs fit in a tray
[10:18] <adamgreig> ideally you'd want to get that tray I guess
[10:18] <adamgreig> some people I know just use an external RC plane lipo, loads of capacity, connect it via the power jack, leave the internal bay empty
[10:18] <adamgreig> I'd be tempted by the aftermarket internal lipo batteries
[10:18] <adamgreig> nimh pretty crap even when new
[10:19] <adamgreig> the CUSF one we usually just use AA batteries
[10:20] <AndyEsser> TBH the plan for this one is a semi-permanent install in the car
[10:20] <edmoore> 2nd the aftermrket lipos
[10:20] <edmoore> for some products we supply deben battery packs
[10:20] <AndyEsser> so will be powered off the car power system
[10:20] <AndyEsser> not sure how easily it can get/make a bracket to take it in/out easily
[10:20] <edmoore> lipo in an nice rugged ip-rated enclosure and comes with a mains charger
[10:20] <edmoore> very hands-free
[10:20] <edmoore> and a little led fuel guage on the side
[10:20] <adamgreig> cute
[10:20] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: ah nice, in that case yea just hardwire it to the car and be done
[10:21] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: yea, the plan is to have it in the central console under the 'normal' radio
[10:21] <AndyEsser> and then I may look at a more handheld thing later on
[10:21] <edmoore> http://www.rothervalleyoptics.co.uk/deben-tracer-12v-lithium-polymer-battery-packs.html
[10:21] <edmoore> this sport of thing
[10:21] <edmoore> i guess not the cheapest but a very nice 'make the problem just go away' solution
[10:21] <edmoore> which i'm all about now
[10:22] <daveake> AndyEsser: What I did was buy a DIN-slot storage compartment thing, and cut a hole in the back for the 817 to fit through
[10:22] <daveake> kinda works; could do with something to stop the 817 flapping around when used
[10:22] <AndyEsser> daveake: do you have an example?
[10:22] <AndyEsser> not sure what you mean by DIN-slot storage compartment thing
[10:22] <daveake> yes, yes I do http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Single-DIN-Pocket-Tray-Double-Din-Adapter-Storage-Box-/260791398691?hash=item3cb860f123:g:qYYAAOSwLnlWn8dr
[10:23] <daveake> The 817 is deeper, and pokes through the hole I cut in the back
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[10:24] <AndyEsser> also
[10:24] <AndyEsser> edmoore: was it CPC you mentioned many many many many months ago about Peli Cases that aren't Peli cases but just as good?
[10:24] <AndyEsser> daveake: ah - gotcha
[10:24] <edmoore> RS
[10:25] <AndyEsser> ta
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[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MAVIS_1 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MAVIS_1
[10:31] <AndyEsser> edmoore: my whiteboard got a lot of attention on Friday night when I had the stag do lot around for a BBQ
[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI2
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Will the cost of a Bacon sarnie rise or fall do you think ? https://fullfact.org/economy/bacon-brexit/
[10:43] <edmoore> AndyEsser: good or bad attention?
[10:43] <edmoore> was it wearing the wrong thing?
[10:44] <AndyEsser> haha good attention
[10:44] <AndyEsser> had a couple engineers, a Dr of Physics, a Dr of Quantum Physics
[10:44] <AndyEsser> and someone laughing at me at how hard the maths I have ahead of me is
[10:46] <edmoore> for hab or rockets?
[10:55] <nick_> I have a DPhil in physics. I cannot remember the last time I did something harder than division.
[10:57] <nick_> (I also don't trust myself to do simple calculations when I'm within walking distance of a computer)
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[11:09] <edmoore> ipython is my brain's copilot
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[11:23] <AndyEsser> edmoore: rockets
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[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:31] <AndyEsser> what a fucking crock of shit http://pastebin.com/WZSXqvSX
[11:31] <AndyEsser> err.... wrong window - sorry
[11:33] <fsphil> maybe, but quite right
[11:33] <craag> I am inclined to agree
[11:33] <AndyEsser> this codebase is littered with crap like that
[11:34] <AndyEsser> dynamically building SQL statements based on a myriad of branches
[11:34] <AndyEsser> so it's impossible to work out what's actually being used
[11:37] <fsphil> I hope for your sanity that none of this is exposed online
[11:37] <AndyEsser> because of the ridiculous potential for SQL injection?
[11:38] <AndyEsser> like... ;DROP SCHEMA candidates; as someone's name?
[11:38] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:38] <mfa298> ouch, I'm sure that sort of code should be a fireable offence
[11:39] <AndyEsser> I would much rather 100 prepared statements done on startup than this nonsense
[11:46] <Vaizki> hrrrrr
[11:47] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: sat on the loo?
[11:48] <Vaizki> read that pastebin
[11:49] <AndyEsser> ah
[11:49] <Vaizki> stroke-inducing stuff
[11:50] <Laurenceb> eww no comments
[11:50] <AndyEsser> Laurenceb: code should be self-documenting - I have no issue with no comments in that short amount of code
[11:51] <Laurenceb> I prefer comments that I can read, so I don't have to look at the code :P
[11:51] <craag> that implies that you trust the comments..
[11:51] <Laurenceb> heh
[11:52] <daveake> Heard from a colleague during a code review of someone else's code ... "Well, I can see what the code is doing, but I haven't a clue what the comments mean"
[11:52] <Laurenceb> ideally that means you can work out the changes you need to make quickly
[11:52] <Laurenceb> lol
[11:52] <Vaizki> it's missing a few essential comments like // FIXME WTF
[11:52] <AndyEsser> daveake: haha
[11:52] <mfa298> presumably with that bit of code no one wants to own up to creating it hence no comments.
[11:53] <AndyEsser> mfa298: git blame ftw
[11:54] <AndyEsser> aww man
[11:54] <AndyEsser> it's the guy that got me the job
[11:54] <AndyEsser> the other back end Senior
[11:54] <AndyEsser> and I thought he was a good bloke...
[11:55] <daveake> I remember once at interview being presented with some code and asked to comment on it. I just got the feeling that the tech lead (one of the 2 interviewers) wrote it. So I was kind.
[11:56] <Laurenceb> <AndyEsser> "self documenting" means you have to work out what is going on each time you come to the code
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[11:58] <AndyEsser> Laurenceb: better than
[11:58] <AndyEsser> var i = 0 // this is my loop variable
[11:58] <AndyEsser> var c = a + b // this is the result of a + b
[11:58] <Laurenceb> heh
[12:02] <AndyEsser> GAH!!
[12:02] <AndyEsser> I should never go away on holiday
[12:02] <AndyEsser> so much is buggered
[12:02] <AndyEsser> I hate my team
[12:11] <mfa298> the good commenters probably document the function rather than the contents of the function.
[12:11] <AndyEsser> That I'm more than happy with
[12:12] <AndyEsser> // This function adds two numbers together and returns the result
[12:12] <mfa298> if you need to document what's in the function its doing too much
[12:13] <mfa298> If you really want to add to numbers with 'c=a; while(b-- >0) c++;' then that's your thing and I don't really care.
[12:14] <adamgreig> I would probably have words if someone tried committing that though :p
[12:14] <mfa298> well I probably would care when b=-10.
[12:17] <mfa298> adamgreig: well there's probably an off by one error in there, and no test units so I'd hope someone would have words :p
[12:19] <fsphil> AndyEsser: if it makes you feel better, I have to deal with worse code. worse VB code.
[12:21] <AndyEsser> VB6?
[12:21] <fsphil> yeah
[12:21] <AndyEsser> VB6 is always good code :)
[12:21] <Vaizki> I see this channels has gone seriously NSFW while I was not keeping watch
[12:22] <Vaizki> when I looked at AndyEsser's pastebin I first thought hehe legacy shit from the 90's.. then I was 'oh but it's golang'... aaaaarghghghg
[12:23] <fsphil> hah
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[12:26] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: that is code I'm running today
[12:26] <AndyEsser> and apologies for the poor language
[12:31] <craag> anyone have any experience with i2c i/o expanders? Looking to use one on an embedded linux board, any gotchas?
[12:32] <AndyEsser> other than it being i2c?
[12:32] <craag> yeah other than that
[12:33] <craag> I've got uart or i2c
[12:33] <adamgreig> we used a PCAL9538A on m3a
[12:33] <adamgreig> it's surprisingly sexy
[12:33] <adamgreig> not used one on an embedded linux board though
[12:33] <adamgreig> then you have to worry about platform trees and overlays and stuff I don't really understand
[12:34] <craag> nah, openwrt ;)
[12:34] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: how did stuff go with Martlet btw?
[12:34] <adamgreig> that one runs at 1.65 to 5.5V, 1uA standby, and each pin can do programmable drive strength, pull up/pull down, open drain/push-pull, interrupt on change, latching inputs
[12:34] <craag> will take a look - thanks
[12:35] <adamgreig> might be overkill depending on what you want
[12:35] <craag> probably - worth comparing though
[12:36] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: we didn't get to launch, basically we weren't quite ready on time (though we got very very close) with some fun politics thrown in the mix
[12:36] <adamgreig> photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/albums/72157669958288634
[12:36] <adamgreig> hopefully trying again soonish
[12:36] <adamgreig> https://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/28702227854
[12:37] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: aah, sorry to hear that
[12:37] <adamgreig> eh, we came home with a whole intact rocket that's almost ready to fly
[12:37] <AndyEsser> haha
[12:37] <AndyEsser> better than most then from that POV :P
[12:37] <adamgreig> no one was injured except maybe our pride
[12:37] <adamgreig> and we all had a lot of stressful fun
[12:37] <adamgreig> there are indeed worse outcomes
[12:38] <adamgreig> fingers crossed we get to try again before winter really
[12:40] <AndyEsser> good luck
[12:40] <edmoore> stressful fun is really the right way of putting it i think
[12:40] <adamgreig> fergus calls it type II fun
[12:40] <adamgreig> which is also on the money I think
[12:41] <edmoore> controllable with insulin?
[12:41] <adamgreig> hah
[12:45] <edmoore> adamgreig: i believe henry no owns another plane
[12:45] <adamgreig> I saw!
[12:46] <adamgreig> except this one is BLDC main engine and he's DIYing the battery stuff?
[12:46] <adamgreig> mad
[12:48] <edmoore> yes
[12:48] <edmoore> to both
[12:48] <edmoore> to all three
[12:48] <adamgreig> sadly looks like it's not built to take passengers?
[12:49] <edmoore> i don't know
[12:49] <edmoore> the varieze doesn;t look passangery either but it manages
[12:50] <adamgreig> true
[12:50] <edmoore> with a degree of discomfort
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[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0SBU-10 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-10
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS20 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS20
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[14:01] <KEMPSP> Hello All, I am new to this and I have a payload launching on the 9th of september. i was wondering how to get my payload from the testing to the flight status?
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[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Have you created a Payload Doc on Habitat ?
[14:02] <KEMPSP> I have indeed, its called KEMPSP
[14:02] <AndyEsser> What's the Payload Doc ID?
[14:03] <KEMPSP> 2 seconds let me check
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I that case once you know the dates and flight time then you need to create Flight Doc on Habitat, listing the Payload Doc along with the flight details, then all the records for the actual flight itself are neatly grouped without the testing records.
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Can't see any records of any testing have you appeared on the map yet ?
[14:04] <KEMPSP> 9bc64f597ff754429b77c0ff7aa56c15
[14:04] <KEMPSP> not yet. I am in Ireland and I have not done a test flight only checking the GPS from the window
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Right start testing ASAP, you won't know until then if it works!
[14:05] <KEMPSP> in dl-fldigi I can see my flight under test flights
[14:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You will see it in dl-fldigi and the map provided its working and a payload doc.
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[14:06] <KEMPSP> Am awaiting batteries but I have it all plugged in and broadcasting to my laptop at the moment
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You only need the Flight doc to group the records and inform everybody on the Calendar, but still best to post a message on the board as well.
[14:07] <KEMPSP> ok thanks
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your leaving it a bit late to start testing as well get it going ASAP!
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you using a kit system or your own design ?
[14:08] <KEMPSP> pi in the sky kit
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Well still plenty to conifgure and get wrong!
[14:09] <KEMPSP> I am finding that out all right :-)
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If your brodcasting then records should appear now, what does dl-fldigi say ?
[14:10] <daveake> logtail says no gps lock
[14:10] <KEMPSP> ok I will have to bring it outside i think
[14:11] <daveake> Also 11 fields sent by payload; 12 expected in the payload doc
[14:11] <daveake> See http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[14:14] <KEMPSP> thanks guys I will check that out and get back to you
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[14:25] <M0RJX> daveake, how is the merge doing?
[14:27] <daveake> Fine so far. Only minor changes and fixes so far
[14:28] <M0RJX> cool
[14:28] <daveake> Today I'm leaving a soak test running for the pits camera issue (seems to be fixed with new firmware) soback on the code tomorrow
[14:29] <daveake> Got a "can't write to pipe" error a couple of times, both (I think) when closing
[14:29] <daveake> Not looked at that one yet
[14:29] <daveake> SSDV queue status needs sorting
[14:31] <M0RJX> weird on the pipe issue that is normally when it's full I wonder if you have ssdv or habitat off put it trys to write to the pipe
[14:31] <daveake> re the Pi camera, there's new firmware available via rpi-update
[14:31] <M0RJX> cool to fix the bug
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[14:31] <daveake> one or both were enabled at the time; can't say for sure which
[14:32] <M0RJX> Will put the pipe name in the error message
[14:32] <daveake> I've been running pits for6 hours so far, with the new f/w, and no errors so far
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[14:32] <M0RJX> Yay :-)
[14:32] <daveake> however with something that takes 2 hours on average to happen, 6 hours isn't enough testing :/
[14:32] <M0RJX> So I've not broken it
[14:32] <daveake> Well not tried the uploads yet, so settle down :p
[14:34] <daveake> It does seem stable (aside from the pipe thing). Had it running for those 6 hours, albeit not uploading - just feeding json data to my lcars thing, and it's been solid
[14:34] <daveake> that's with one 868 channel full speed and one 434 channel
[14:35] <M0RJX> cool and all packets accounted for
[14:35] <daveake> I ran some online tests yesterday. The only packets missing on the server were also missing locally
[14:36] <daveake> (no aerials, so that was expected)
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[14:44] <M0RJX> I can't get that pipe error ro come up
[14:44] <M0RJX> Shall I name the pipe
[14:45] <M0RJX> the pipes are labeled
[14:46] <M0RJX> so you should get can't write to telemetry pipe or ssdv pipe
[14:46] <M0RJX> fixed a typo too one sait issdv
[14:46] <M0RJX> said
[14:48] <M0RJX> is Adam Cudworth on here ?
[14:49] <daveake> Happened twice for me; I'll try again (tomorrow - need to leave this soak test soaking)
[14:49] <M0RJX> Sure
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[14:58] <daveake> The firmware fix is to avoid a conflict between the ARM and GPU, both trying to do a read/modify/write on the same register at the same time. So if there's code running on the ARM that tries to change the state of one of 8 particular GPIO pins at the same time that the GPU is doing an I2C pin change on the camera's I2C bus, bad things happen
[14:59] <daveake> In the case of PITS, we use 2 of those 8 GPIO pins for a software I2C bus to the GPS (can't use h/w I2C 'cos the UBlox does clock-stretching at arbitrary times, and the GPU I2C implementation bjorks at that)
[15:00] <daveake> So this does rather explain why PITS trackers trigger this error and nobody else seems able to :)
[15:19] <cm13g09> daveake: niiiiiiice
[15:20] <fsphil> the glitches where quite artistic
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[15:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KEMPSP - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KEMPSP
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> So who's going to come up with a HAB limerick for KEMPSP?
[15:34] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Has that become a thing?
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its normally Puns but given the launch location ...
[15:37] <daveake> A team claimed a record was taken
[15:37] <daveake> Despite a complete lack of bacon
[15:37] <daveake> The payload was huge
[15:37] <daveake> We sensed subterfuge
[15:37] <daveake> And lo the altitude was faken
[15:37] <daveake> I think I invented a word there
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :) Didn't think it would take long ;-)
[15:39] <fsphil> first result on google: Faken (Veggie Bacon)
[15:39] <fsphil> noooooooooooo
[15:40] <daveake> the horror
[15:40] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Of course....
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Will the cost of a Bacon sarnie rise or fall do you think ? https://fullfact.org/economy/bacon-brexit/
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[15:43] <daveake> ah good an aerial-shaped box has arrived
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[15:48] <jakeio> My prediction for Sunday: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=bd35392cd977d51e60f5dfc495026aa510be7dfe I see no problem with this.
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> My Son lives close to the landing spot, so he might be able to spot it between the flights coming into heathrow ...
[15:49] <Laurenceb> http://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2013/09/20/debunked_aliens_in_earths_atmosphere_106681.html
[15:58] <jakeio> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, I'll launch Saturday where it goes to Northampton, much less... reckless.
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
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[17:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JMHS2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JMHS2_chase
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[18:06] <M0RJX> evening all
[18:07] <PE2BZ> Good evening Rob.
[18:07] <M0RJX> Hey not long till conf. :-)
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[18:35] <Upu> hey Rob
[18:35] <Upu> missed you yesterday sorry
[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[19:14] <M0RJX> fsphil, do you have logs that can explain this ?
[19:15] <M0RJX> Upu, sorry I've been embroiled in another project for the last 24 hours
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[19:19] <Upu> nps
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[19:49] <fsphil> M0RJX: um?
[19:50] <M0RJX> Yeah this was posted to me from PE2BZ
[19:51] <fsphil> what was?
[19:52] <M0RJX> ahh missing the important bit :-)
[19:52] <M0RJX> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xluw3z28jy26dxg/ron_error.jpg?dl=0
[19:52] <fsphil> oh phew, thought my memory was going
[19:53] <fsphil> that looks like random data being handled as an ssdv packet
[19:54] <fsphil> you should print the full server response if it's an error, it returns more details
[19:54] <M0RJX> Ok PE2BZ needs that feedback
[19:54] <fsphil> try sending it some invalid data and you'll see
[19:54] <daveake> yeah it's passing the lora crc check (not that hard to do it seems) and happens to have the correct 1st byte
[19:54] <M0RJX> ron rx'ed this packet and it was posted
[19:54] <fsphil> the server probably rejected it based on the 32-bit CRC
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[19:55] <M0RJX> daveake, are we testing the 32-bit CRC ?
[19:55] <M0RJX> If not I can add this as there is no point posting invalid data?
[19:55] <daveake> no if it passes the 2 checks I mentioned it gets sent
[19:56] <M0RJX> the CRC on the radio module?
[19:56] <daveake> yes
[19:56] <daveake> "lora crc check" ^^
[19:56] <M0RJX> Ok I'll add this chaeck for 0x66 packets
[19:57] <M0RJX> Then advise of error before post and probably increase CRC error? or do you want that to remain the preserve of the lora CRC?
[19:58] <M0RJX> I'm not sure if this it the same for richardeoin packets?
[19:58] <daveake> As I said, the lora crc seems easy to pass
[19:58] <M0RJX> too easy?
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[19:58] <daveake> It seems to accept more than I'd expect
[19:59] <M0RJX> But low overhead
[19:59] <fsphil> the early ssdv had a 16-bit checksum, and I often saw random data be accepted as a packet
[19:59] <M0RJX> fsphil, hence the 32
[19:59] <fsphil> indeed
[20:01] <M0RJX> so back to daveake shall I add code to check the 32bit CRC on the ssdv packet?
[20:01] <daveake> Yeah, wait till I've pushed what I'm working on
[20:01] <M0RJX> Ok cool
[20:01] <daveake> Like I said, I don't like merging
[20:01] <M0RJX> I'll add it to my todo list
[20:01] <fsphil> I've a few new packet types to add
[20:01] <fsphil> though they'll basically work the same way
[20:02] <fsphil> these should hopefully work for richardeoin's bgp stuff too
[20:02] <M0RJX> richardeoin, has one new packet type
[20:02] <M0RJX> beat me to it
[20:03] <fsphil> or hopefully any other format. should allow some experiments
[20:03] <daveake> Anyone got any recommendations for an aerial rotator ?
[20:03] <daveake> Not too many $$s
[20:03] <fsphil> small child?
[20:04] <daveake> Don't have any
[20:04] <daveake> could lose a cat
[20:04] <fsphil> high maintenance though
[20:04] <mfa298> I've heard thy can be prety expensive, unless you've got a relative to lend you one for a few hours
[20:04] <daveake> Now we know why Upu has started producing
[20:04] <fsphil> I've read about some that are modified windscreen wiper motors
[20:04] <fsphil> hah
[20:05] <daveake> Modified as in change the gearing?
[20:05] <daveake> They're probably a bit fast
[20:05] <daveake> Plenty of torque I know (I had one destroy a frozen-on wiper)
[20:05] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR-rRxPZ4eE
[20:05] <fsphil> hmm I have no sound
[20:06] <daveake> hah
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[20:06] <daveake> This is to go at the top of the clark mast
[20:06] <daveake> can't rotate the whole mast :/
[20:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03lungu_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=lungu_chase
[20:07] <fsphil> ah
[20:07] <fsphil> or, one of the satellite rotators
[20:07] <daveake> sounds more suitable
[20:07] <fsphil> they normally have limits but I'm sure that can be changed
[20:09] <daveake> ta these do look promising
[20:09] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFmYK5wPo_o
[20:09] <fsphil> starts like a horror film...
[20:10] <fsphil> ah, he used a security camera pan/tilt mount
[20:10] <fsphil> that might work too
[20:16] <daveake> ta
[20:16] <daveake> does look a bit blair witch way is it pointing
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[20:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Some smaller camera ones have a problem with the mass and getting sufficent momentum going/stopping.
[20:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> as they often have a the odd plastic gear incorporated ....
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> Ones with the odd plastic gear incorporated can't even.
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> Apologies
[20:28] <daveake> Rob, I know you're still pushing stuff, but I have no intention of doing any merging once I push what I'm working on
[20:31] <edmoore> Spirit of foss
[20:33] <daveake> Just trying to minimize work; the plan agreed is for Rob to do his work when I'm done
[20:36] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/771080188041961473
[20:36] <AndyEsser> woo
[20:37] <Ian_> The windscreen wiper motors make about 60rpm, so a further 60 or 80:1 would be good.
[20:38] <Ian_> I have 2 wiper motors and a small cement mixer gearbox 80:1 or so - predictably have had for years.
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> daveake, there are some cheap tv aerial rotators on ebay which are normally adequate for manual control.
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC5SFU-5 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC5SFU-5
[20:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/antenna-rotator-ham-radio-/272358137473
[20:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HAM-Radio-Antenna-Aerial-Rotator-SA-FA-Model-AR-303/322246973688?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38625%26meid%3D47f3db067ac34243b35c0854c1907c79%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D272358137473
[20:43] <daveake> Thanks Geoff
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[20:47] <chrisg7ogx> can I use the HAB version of DLFLDIGI to track a balloon via APRS?
[20:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nope as it doesn't decode AX25
[20:48] <daveake> I use Direwolf for APRS, as it works and is easy to set up
[20:49] <chrisg7ogx> Hello Geoff, ok thanks looking for the K6RPT-11
[20:49] <daveake> Many other options
[20:49] <chrisg7ogx> #tks Dave having a look
[20:49] <russss> oh hi K6RPT-11
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[21:10] <CHRISG7OGX> can't find executable file in Dire Wolf
[21:10] <Vaizki> I got an old dualit toaster and took it apart to check & clean... grounding wire has been disconnected from chassis
[21:11] <M0RJX> daveake, I think the only changes have been a Makefile agreed and a typo
[21:11] <Vaizki> death trap by design
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[21:11] <CHRISG7OGX> i'm going to check mine
[21:12] <Ian_> I've seen people digging into toasters with a steel knife to unjam a slice of bread . . . I don't know how there wasn't an accident
[21:12] <M0RJX> Wellies
[21:13] <Vaizki> I'm not sure if this model originally had a grounded plug even
[21:13] <CHRISG7OGX> caught my autistic son doing exactly that
[21:13] <CHRISG7OGX> dry vy clean wellies!
[21:15] <M0RJX> just as well he had ocd too
[21:15] <M0RJX> and kept them dry and clean :-)
[21:17] <Vaizki> I got worried when the resistance between chassis and ground was 4Mohm
[21:17] <Vaizki> https://imgur.com/a/ihplY
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[21:18] <Vaizki> maybe some RCD kept going off and my grandfather "fixed" it
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[21:48] <daveake> M0RJX: Righto. I've seen 3 I think, and yes they looked minor. Just making sure you don't make any changes yet that aren't trivial to merge
[21:48] <daveake> Dunno where the typos were but I already fixed some
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[21:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ
[21:54] <Vaizki> this thing makes good toast
[21:55] <Vaizki> just fyi .. happiness is a good toast
[21:55] <Vaizki> well at least a good start...
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[21:56] <fsphil> toast is great
[21:56] <fsphil> not warm bread though, has to be actually toasted
[21:57] <Vaizki> of course yes
[21:58] <Vaizki> this is the end to end testing.. does the toast taste good.. well yes it does
[21:58] <Vaizki> in the morning... stress testing
[22:03] <Vaizki> and now, sleep&
[22:18] <fsphil> asm("wfi")
[22:19] <adamgreig> i had such a good time telling chibios to WFI when entering the idle thread
[22:19] <adamgreig> power usage plummeted with effectively no downside
[22:36] <Laurenceb__> its also useful for passing EMI
[22:38] <Laurenceb__> or EMC, whatever terminology you prefer
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[23:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10RS-11 after 0323 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10RS-11
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