highaltitude.log.20160829

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[00:47] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-VImd2yW5s
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[03:37] <carlos__> hi
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[03:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS19 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS19
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[04:17] <richardeoin> ubseds up
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[04:40] <PE2BZ> good morning, early bird .. Hope all works well !
[04:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Oh already better get tracking!
[04:50] <richardeoin> mm two other trackers already at this hour is quite impressive :)
[04:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right lets see
[04:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I thought it was 05:00 UTC hence 06:00 BST
[04:51] <richardeoin> noo it was 04:00 UTC :'-(
[04:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ahstill well below my horizon anyway!
[04:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> can I functio without coffee ?
[05:19] <PE2BZ> Yes You Can !
[05:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> I guess the Pi isn't powered up yet being under the cloud still
[05:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only just
[05:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing visible on the SUSW site either on 434.610
[05:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some odd fading as well
[05:32] <PE2BZ> richardeoin we stayed up al night ;-)
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[05:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah uBSEDS20 jpoins in!
[05:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well something appeared and went!
[05:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes its back
[05:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.60,5.9,0*08AC
[05:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> no GPS yet
[05:57] <richardeoin> sound promising, was expecting the transmitter to start about 7:00 bst
[05:57] <richardeoin> yes - so that first non-zero value it the supercap voltage
[05:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> It comes up does one frame then
[05:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> again
[05:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.61,6.7,0*451E
[05:59] <richardeoin> the plan is that the supercap voltage will increase, slowly at first and then faster as it gets more power
[06:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> What voltage should the GPS start at ?
[06:00] <richardeoin> when it reaches 4.6 V, it'll go silent while it tries to start the pi
[06:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> the cloud cover here is total and very low level here in Worthing
[06:00] <richardeoin> yup 4.6v
[06:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK still 3.61
[06:01] <richardeoin> quite patchy in bristol, sun is shining through at the moment
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[06:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS19-20_20160829/
[06:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.61,3.0,0*
[06:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> E3D9
[06:06] <mfa298> nice strong signal from ubseds 20
[06:09] <mfa298> that last one was a lot weaker than the others
[06:10] Action: Geoff-G8DHE gets breakfast before the pictures appear
[06:16] <richardeoin> ubseds20 tranmissions should be getting more frequent as it gets more power
[06:18] <mfa298> getting much shorter gaps now
[06:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> its back to 3.60 volts at the moment
[06:21] <mfa298> hopefully the stats pi should give some idea of how the versions work, I've got three copies running suffixed with /3.1r /3.2r and /3.2c (version then rtty or contessia)
[06:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> $$$$$$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.61,0.8,0*A4AA
[06:24] Nick change: pb0ahx-weg -> Herman-PB0AHX
[06:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[06:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03PS-68 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b3db)
[06:25] <mfa298> heh, I think I've got a stronger signal from UBSEDS than I did from my test payload yesterday. I do have an antenna connected this time though.
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[06:25] <mfa298> I'm not used to seeing an smeter reading for a flight
[06:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial 303d
[06:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS19 10(303d): 03434.613523 MHz, 434.614 MHz, 434.613388 MHz, 434.613954 MHz
[06:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS20 10(303d): 03434.609 MHz, 434.614 MHz, 434.60956 MHz, 434.60983 MHz
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[06:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
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[06:27] <richardeoin> mfa298: ubseds20 has a nice lambda/4 gp, all copper so should be a good signal
[06:27] <richardeoin> will post photos later
[06:28] <mfa298> richardeoin: it seems to fade a bit occasionally, the fact it's flying almost straight at me helps as well
[06:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Oh should just about start floating as it goes over me! http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=6c55f7bd5851879b5a485b1577df617ec03f1557
[06:29] <mfa298> if it wern't for the clouds I suspect it would be visible
[06:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> yup they are just showing signs of breaking up here as well
[06:39] Nick change: _Matthias -> Matthias
[06:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> richardeoin, Any idea @ what voltage the 869Mhz should kick in at not seen any packets from that yet ?
[06:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh he says crc failure appears
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[06:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.66,-1.2,0*B903
[06:44] <richardeoin> definitely no lora yet
[06:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> voltage starting to rise now
[06:46] <richardeoin> when it hits 4.6v it'll try to start the pi, if that's successful it'll spend a few minutes taking an image and encoding it, then 869Mhz will kick in
[06:46] <richardeoin> another hour or so I'd say
[06:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right the UBSEDS20 isn't the Pi then
[06:47] <richardeoin> it's kinda the Pi
[06:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK
[06:48] <richardeoin> it's a microcontroller attached to the pi - so currently operating autonomously because there's not enough power for the pi
[06:48] <richardeoin> but when the pi comes on it just transmits what the pi says
[06:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> with you
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[06:49] <richardeoin> the 869MHz module it attached directly to the pi
[06:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any pictures of the payloads ?
[06:52] <richardeoin> one mo
[06:54] <richardeoin> ubsed19 once-every-two-minutes now btw
[06:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> L+NP2JN$$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.63,-2.8,0*D8A
[06:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> no gps data ??
[06:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not yet solar panels and Super Cap charging at the moment
[06:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM Geoff-G8DHE tnx info
[06:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> when the voltage 3.63 above reaches 4.6 volts then it starts fully
[06:57] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/29/ubseds20.html
[06:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice
[06:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> camera atching balloon then!
[06:59] <richardeoin> yes, not as pretty as landscape photos, but useful to us :)
[06:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Makes sense clouds get boring
[07:00] <richardeoin> figured that if we're going to do one that points at the balloon, it might as well be the first (which is mostly likely to go wrong)
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[07:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> 3.73 volts highest so far
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[07:08] <G0CXW> I have tuned into 434.610 but only getting $$UBSEDS20,00:00:00,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,3.91,-8.1,0*1763 ........... what am i doing wrong??
[07:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats right its not fully powered up yet waiting for 4.6 volts reading
[07:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its solar powered with SuperCap only
[07:09] <G0CXW> Thanks for letting us know, how are others tracking?
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[07:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> watch 434.615 for UBSEDS19 backup tracker every 2 minutes now 16/1000 Contestia modulation
[07:09] <G0CXW> Thanks again Geoof
[07:10] <G4YHE> I am not able to decode the contestia :(
[07:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are you not using dl-fldig ?
[07:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4.07 volts
[07:10] <G4YHE> yes, it worked in the past
[07:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> its 16/1000 not 8/1000
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[07:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4.48 volts
[07:13] <Herman-PB0AHX> 4,51 and counting hihi
[07:13] <G4YHE> using 16/1000 but no joy, it must be something this end.
[07:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> do you have RSID on to align the frequency ?
[07:14] <mfa298> seems to have gone quite fady here, I wonder if it's hit some turbulence
[07:14] <mfa298> or cud just be im going through the building now
[07:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its getting overhead for you isn't it ?
[07:14] <mfa298> I hadn't realised it had gone that far
[07:15] <G4YHE> yes, it is decoding but nonsense coming out.
[07:16] <mfa298> the weaker signal is better for testign the different dl- versions, so far they seem to be very comparable :)
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[07:21] <G4YHE> Geoff selected Rv and it came good, no position or alt data
[07:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Excellent
[07:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> you must have a phase reversal somewhere ?
[07:22] <G4YHE> yes
[07:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> why UBSEDS20 not on the MAP ??
[07:22] <G4YHE> not sure why
[07:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> No GPS yet
[07:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> wating for 4.6 volt to power up Pi
[07:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> [07:46] <richardeoin> when it hits 4.6v it'll try to start the pi, if that's successful it'll spend a few minutes taking an image and encoding it, then 869Mhz will kick in
[07:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> [07:46] <richardeoin> another hour or so I'd say
[07:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> [07:46] <richardeoin> when it hits 4.6v it'll try to start the pi, if that's successful it'll spend a few minutes taking an image and encoding it, then 869Mhz will kick in
[07:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> [07:46] <richardeoin> another hour or so I'd say
[07:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4.21 volts
[07:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting close
[07:26] <G0CXW> Geoff, is that the voltage and temp I am seeing
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[07:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes I think it might still have some cloud above it float is at the 13Kms
[07:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> ascent rate is increasing ?
[07:28] <richardeoin> okay first attempt at starting the pi
[07:29] <mfa298> sounds like it doesn't have enough juice yet (stopped for a bit and now 3.8v)
[07:29] <Ron_G8FJG> got ubsedl
[07:29] <richardeoin> yes
[07:30] <Ron_G8FJG> 869.853 ish
[07:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes romping in here
[07:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 07:28:53 Ch1: $$UBSEDL,28,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0*CE57
[07:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 07:28:54 Ch1: $$UBSEDL,29,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0*5272
[07:30] Action: mfa298 considers hunting for a suitable scotty clip, I cannea get the power Jim.
[07:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 30 packets so far
[07:31] <Ron_G8FJG> 28 here
[07:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> its on again
[07:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> still no gps
[07:36] <Ron_G8FJG> must have reset back up to line 27 again
[07:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Each restart starts from 0
[07:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting quicker between restarts
[07:39] <Ron_G8FJG> snr 6 rssi98
[07:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS19-20_20160829/Capture3.JPG
[07:40] <Ron_G8FJG> 34 lines
[07:43] <Ron_G8FJG> snr 8 now 42 lines....come on
[07:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> How many seconds before a GPS lock 40-50 ?
[07:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> only 32 this time
[07:44] <Ron_G8FJG> needs a bigger cap
[07:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> more sunlight
[07:45] <Ron_G8FJG> both
[07:45] <richardeoin> yes, something like 40-50 seconds
[07:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> with 8 cells to illuminate some will always be in "shade"
[07:45] <richardeoin> still 4 hour until solar noon, so plenty of time if it stays up
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> again
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes lat/long
[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS20 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS20
[07:46] <richardeoin> woop
[07:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah UBSEDL not showing ?
[07:49] <richardeoin> oh I haven't made a payload doc for it :p
[07:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Duh
[07:49] <richardeoin> could you paste an example string?
[07:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> 07:49:35 Ch1: $$UBSEDL,44,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0*7DB2
[07:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> or with data 07:46:26 - $$UBSEDL,55,07:46:26,50.94085,-0.89704,12421,6*29F0
[07:52] <richardeoin> done
[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Checklist make time ;-)
[07:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
[07:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> no gps
[07:55] <richardeoin> almost
[07:55] <richardeoin> seems to have floated though, 12.5km
[07:56] <richardeoin> pretty pleased with that, has 75 grams total payload (12 + 63)
[07:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
[07:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDL
[07:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> UBSEDS20,07:57:07,160829,50.9027,-0.7455,12497,9,3.89,2.8,0*DE17
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[07:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
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[07:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
[08:00] <Ron_G8FJG> 68 lines , longest so far
[08:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
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[08:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
[08:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
[08:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> If the cloud would go I'd set the telescope up but no chance at present :-(
[08:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
[08:08] <richardeoin> getting rtty image packets from 0x17 and others
[08:08] <richardeoin> lora image packets incomming also
[08:08] <Ron_G8FJG> 4 image packets
[08:09] <richardeoin> first image http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/2016/08/08/ubseds.html
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[08:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
[08:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Above me!
[08:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> too much cloud
[08:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
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[08:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
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[08:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> will it take anoth er picture or continue with last richard ?
[08:21] <richardeoin> it'll take a new one I'm afraid
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[08:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
[08:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> gps lock
[08:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> reset
[08:27] <richardeoin> now the voltage is only dropping a little while the pi is on
[08:27] <richardeoin> will be constant soon
[08:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm inkown packet ttype 68h
[08:28] <Ron_G8FJG> 55 image packets
[08:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't that one of your new ones richardeoin ?
[08:28] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: yes, are you using the gateway from bristol-seds
[08:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes
[08:29] <richardeoin> sorry it's confusing
[08:29] <richardeoin> hmm
[08:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> only took it yesterday
[08:31] <richardeoin> all I can suggest is double check line 949 of gateway.c https://github.com/bristol-seds/lora-gateway/commit/3e783c256c240870eaa167c26b5ed8d6c6b3b69d
[08:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> just pull it again and its up to date, ill make clear etc.
[08:32] <richardeoin> great
[08:33] <Ron_G8FJG> 141 packets
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[08:33] <richardeoin> yup, needs about 600 for a full image on lora
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Unknown packet type is 68h, RSSI -107
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[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Unknown packet type is 68h, RSSI -106
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Umm
[08:38] <M0RJX> elproblema with the gateway?
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not your version M0RJX
[08:38] <M0RJX> Phew :-)
[08:39] <Ron_G8FJG> 242 packets...soon
[08:39] <M0RJX> !flights
[08:39] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Current flights: 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03PS-68 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b3db)
[08:40] <richardeoin> really someone should accept my 6 week old pull request https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/pull/17
[08:40] <M0RJX> !ukflights
[08:40] <M0RJX> Too hopeful
[08:40] <richardeoin> then every version would know that 68h is a valid packet type
[08:40] <M0RJX> richardeoin, where is it
[08:41] <M0RJX> what do you want me to do with the packet?
[08:41] <M0RJX> ssdv?
[08:41] <richardeoin> yup
[08:41] <richardeoin> if ssdv packet type is 0x66 OR 0x68, upload to server :)
[08:41] <M0RJX> cool le me have a look and I'll sort it
[08:41] Nick change: fl__0 -> fl_0
[08:41] <richardeoin> great thanks M0RJX
[08:42] <M0RJX> same processing etc ..
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[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> yea yes it was still 66h not 68h
[08:42] <M0RJX> can you post a link to your git change
[08:42] <richardeoin> M0RJX: https://github.com/bristol-seds/lora-gateway/commit/3e783c256c240870eaa167c26b5ed8d6c6b3b69d
[08:44] <Ron_G8FJG> something happened to ubsedl ?snr dropped to -12...just crc failures now
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[08:46] <M0RJX> richardeoin, https://github.com/rharrison/lora-gateway
[08:46] <Ron_G8FJG> just me...went right off freq
[08:46] <Ron_G8FJG> phew
[08:46] <M0RJX> git clone that and copy your gateway.txt file to the local dir
[08:47] <M0RJX> richardeoin, hows that for service
[08:47] <richardeoin> splendid M0RJX
[08:47] <M0RJX> Plus there's a heap of fixes in there now too :-)
[08:48] <M0RJX> not to mention dynamic screen size so if you have a big screen you will get data to the width and botom of it not just 40x80
[08:50] <M0RJX> cd into the pie
[08:50] <M0RJX> git clone https://github.com/rharrison/lora-gateway lgw
[08:51] <daveake> richardeoin: My version is static awaiting Rob's to have a bit more testing, at which point that will go to my github and I'll work from that
[08:51] <M0RJX> cp <gateway.txt> to new location
[08:51] <M0RJX> daveake, cool :-)
[08:51] <richardeoin> yep fair 'nuff
[08:51] <M0RJX> daveake, I've given my fork an new title and called it ALPHA
[08:52] <M0RJX> people were getting confused
[08:52] <daveake> Granted yours wasn't a big change and I should have accepted it by now, but been a bit busy with actual paid work
[08:52] <daveake> righto
[08:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> with three versions around thew screens all looked the same
[08:52] <daveake> Change the b/g colour or something :)
[08:53] <richardeoin> that would have been a good idea
[08:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats what I was doing but kept having to stash my changes!
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[08:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> to get updates
[08:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still my uploads arent showing I'll check the url
[08:56] <Ron_G8FJG> 305 packets
[08:56] <richardeoin> allmost
[08:57] <cm13g09> richardeoin: why was there a need to add a second packet type?
[08:58] <richardeoin> fsphil and myself decided that Better Portable Graphics (BPG) should have a different type
[08:58] <cm13g09> ah right
[09:01] <richardeoin> definitely the right choice in the long run, just means going back to things like the gateway and updating
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[09:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah I thought the copy on your site was updated with thse changes listed, obviously not.
[09:09] <fsphil> richardeoin: the artifacts are quite interesting, give clues to how it works
[09:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[09:12] <richardeoin> fsphil: yes they're quite different those from your jpg decoder
[09:12] <jcoxon> whats the link for the ssdv page?
[09:13] <fsphil> http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/
[09:14] <fsphil> you can see the variable block size and scan pattern quite clearly
[09:14] <M0RJX> daveake, I'm on to the colour change just not quite as easy with ncurses as the pallet is very restricted
[09:14] <fsphil> and that it includes prediction data for the bits it doesn't have
[09:14] <jcoxon> where are the pics?
[09:14] <fsphil> click on UBSEDS, http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/2016/08/08/ubseds.html
[09:14] <M0RJX> richardeoin, was that good for you ?
[09:15] <jcoxon> oh right
[09:16] Action: M0RJX nods to jcoxen
[09:17] <Ron_G8FJG> 593
[09:17] <richardeoin> jcoxon: soz about the usability, that site was put together in an evening
[09:17] <fsphil> pi camera bug in latest image
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[09:18] <richardeoin> fsphil: oh, the quarter size?
[09:18] <Ron_G8FJG> looks like a full LoRa picture
[09:18] <fsphil> yeah
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[09:19] <fsphil> it comes up now and then on other Pi flights too
[09:19] <richardeoin> very nearly full lora, missing last 10%
[09:19] <richardeoin> fsphil: curious
[09:19] <Ron_G8FJG> bugger
[09:19] <jcoxon> richardeoin, no need to apologise
[09:19] <jcoxon> it looks awesome
[09:20] <craag> it's a known bug with the pi cameras
[09:20] <craag> happened to several on my dutch sea retrieval flight
[09:21] <daveake> I sent a tracker to RPi for them to work on
[09:21] <daveake> I've sent them the debug output from when it happens
[09:22] <craag> :)
[09:25] <daveake> richardeoin: Is that the original (Omnivision) Pi cam ?
[09:25] <richardeoin> daveake: no, it's a Sony IMX219
[09:25] <daveake> OK
[09:26] <daveake> The Sony has a wider range of possible corruptions
[09:26] <fsphil> richardeoin: are you storing the stats of how many packets are lost per-image?
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[09:28] <richardeoin> fsphil: I'm storing everything uploaded, so could go back and output those
[09:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Image 1 completewd by the looks
[09:30] <Ron_G8FJG> 1044 packets....BOOM as they say?
[09:30] <richardeoin> yup, onto Image 2
[09:31] <richardeoin> indeed, that is a nice image http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/UBSEDL/png/UBSEDL_2016-08-29T09-25-47_1.png
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[09:31] <Ron_G8FJG> got "no free ssdv packets available " error message towards the end
[09:32] <jcoxon> richardeoin, are pics to assess the envelope in flight?
[09:32] <richardeoin> jcoxon: yup
[09:33] <jakeio> Would anyone be able to recommend a place to buy a decent Yagi?
[09:33] <Ron_G8FJG> what freq?
[09:33] <craag> !dial UBSEDS
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:34] <jakeio> Ron_G8FJG, I'll probably want to get an 868MHz one.
[09:35] <jakeio> I made my own 434MHz one but it's a bit rubbish.
[09:35] <Ron_G8FJG> jakeio ...I build my own too
[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-10
[09:35] <jcoxon> jakeio, not all commercial yagis are the same
[09:35] <jcoxon> fsphil has been testing a few iirc
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-9
[09:36] <jakeio> Thank you jcoxon. I may end up making one again, my homemade 434 is just so bad though.
[09:37] <jakeio> A 1/4 wave was beating it from 2 mile distance on Saturday.
[09:37] <fsphil> got a few more arriving at some point
[09:37] <jcoxon> jakeio, is the 868 for lora?
[09:37] <jakeio> It is indeed.
[09:38] <jcoxon> there are some cheap 860-900 yagis on ebay and amazon
[09:38] <jcoxon> but we aren't sure how good they are
[09:38] <jcoxon> quite possibily not tuned to what they say they are
[09:38] <jakeio> I might make my own then.
[09:39] <daveake> I have acouple of cheap chinese ones; they're ok but the LPRS one is much better http://www.lprs.co.uk/wireless-modules/antennas/yagi-antennas.html
[09:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ZURG after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZURG
[09:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
[09:40] <jakeio> Actually, what materials would be suitable for an antenna, because my current one is made from steel coathangars and it's truly awful.
[09:41] <jakeio> It's based on the design from the UKHAS wiki.
[09:41] <fsphil> I think mine is LPRS. it seems to be tuned a little low
[09:41] <daveake> The LPRS one is supposed to be 868-915 so that's surprising
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> This one works nicely https://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/antennas-c8/23db-gsm-yagi-antenna-p162
[09:42] <daveake> Cheers Geoff-G8DHE
[09:42] <daveake> Added to the never-ending list of HAB purchases
[09:42] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE +23db :-)
[09:42] <fsphil> I've only done a quick test, but there was a peak at 831MHz
[09:42] <daveake> Need it when flying 868
[09:42] <craag> wow the number of receivers on ubseds20
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well I never believe dB but it does perform well
[09:43] <fsphil> it wasn't as "good" at 869mhz, but I wasn't able to quantify it. it might still be fine
[09:46] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: Farnell have those in stock, however at +£10 premium
[09:47] <daveake> Still, free del so probably about the same
[09:47] <jcoxon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proutone-Outside-external-connector-Repeater/dp/B01A5DJU2K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1472464026&sr=8-2&keywords=proutone
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> I bought mine ages ago now!
[09:48] <daveake> "Polarization:horizontal or vertical". You don't say. Wonder if it does in-between angles.
[09:50] <jcoxon> i'm probably going to try this: http://uk.farnell.com/lprs/yagi-869a/antenna-yagi-9-element-869-915mhz/dp/2096216
[09:50] <jcoxon> for long range ukhasnet node
[09:54] <daveake> That's the one I have jcoxon
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[09:55] <jcoxon> going to mount it in suffolk pointing at number10
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[10:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-8
[10:08] <edmoore> random fyi if this affects anyone else - if you have a macbook (pro) where the coating of the screen is beginning to rub off where it touches the keys when closed, apple will replace the entire screen for free, regardless of your warantee status
[10:12] <RocketBoy> good to know
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[10:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[10:28] <M0RJX> Hey RocketBoy
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[10:29] <M0RJX> jcoxon, I have one of those they are bit crap on quality
[10:30] <jcoxon> the 9 ele one?
[10:30] <M0RJX> Yep
[10:31] <M0RJX> from farnel last week as they are only 1000meters from the office
[10:31] <jcoxon> oh right
[10:31] <M0RJX> Quite convenient for counter collection
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[10:32] <jcoxon> yeah
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[10:33] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: do you remember someone experimating with a valve release system using the balloon itself with internal cord - was it Bill Brown?
[10:33] <jcoxon> i think he might have tried it but it was first used in australia i think
[10:33] <jcoxon> back in the 60s
[10:34] <RocketBoy> ta - any idea who?
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[10:35] <M0RJX> RocketBoy, any foil balloon in yet?
[10:35] <M0RJX> s
[10:36] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, i think i read it in a book, about a women who used to do atmospheric research
[10:36] <jcoxon> they had a little attachment loop inside the balloon
[10:36] <RocketBoy> M0RJX: they should have arrived last week but didnt - Ill chase tomorrow
[10:36] <jcoxon> which pulled on a string which lifted the valve
[10:37] <RocketBoy> I think BB was using a magment both sides of the envelope to atttach
[10:37] <M0RJX> Cheers RocketBoy
[10:37] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, https://www.science.org.au/learning/general-audience/history/interviews-australian-scientists/dr-jean-laby-1915-2008-physicist
[10:37] <RocketBoy> M0RJX: Ill let U know
[10:37] <jcoxon> bingo
[10:38] <richardeoin> annotated image from ubseds20 http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/20/UBSEDL_2016-08-29T09-25-47_1_annotated.png
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[10:38] <M0RJX> jcoxon, good memory there !!!!
[10:38] <RocketBoy> excellent!
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[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder what effect boiling Latex would have ;-)
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> re " before boiling the neoprene balloons (which performed better when they were boiled)"
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[10:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> the 2e signaal what i hrd on UBSED20 is that ssdv ??
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes but using BPG format
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[10:51] <Ron_G8FJG> pics here http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/2016/08/08/ubseds.html
[10:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> how i can decoded that ??
[10:51] <tweetBot> @MX5AKA: 434MHz balloon #UBSEDS20 images from @Raspberry_Pi #RPi camera https://t.co/niG0u2mlPd #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas https://t.co/TT4eHM4htD
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> See details here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/siZ99wbRNRg
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> you need the newer version of dl-fldigi and the changed (temp) upload url
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[10:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> Geoff-G8DHE, wat is the temp uplink i have now the new version fl-dldigi
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/data
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> for the SSDV side
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[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Details here http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/
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[11:06] <Ron_G8FJG> we can sleep soundly tonight http://earthsky.org/space/asteroid-2016-qa2-august-27-28-2016
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[11:08] <samme> Hi. Why does the tabular column for totex balloon data up to 1000g show payload of 250g?
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[11:10] <Ron_G8FJG> richardeoin: 14th LoRa image with no resets :-)
[11:11] <M0RJX> richardeoin, which gateway are you using ?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/data
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> as it has the BPG software
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[11:17] <Ron_G8FJG> beaming through house now...lose UBSEDL soon...
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its dropping rapidly for me but then keeps coming back up, wonder if wwe have an inversion layer ?
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[11:19] <Ron_G8FJG> get some nice ones across the channel if calm enough...
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its about the right angle to start bouncing under one coverong the channel
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> th wind speed is well down less than 2.5mph so quite possible
[11:20] <Ron_G8FJG> If the house doesn't get me the North Downs will
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[11:20] <richardeoin> hopefully won't have any more resets until the sun drops down again :)
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[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> just getting bad crc's at the moment
[11:21] <richardeoin> if there's missed packets the partial image will be really jumbled, but it'll sort itself out at the end if more than 2/3 received
[11:21] <Ron_G8FJG> CRC errors creeping in for me
[11:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> yesssssss ssdv working great here
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> neary 16000 image packets!
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> on 869Mhz
[11:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> Decoded image packet. Callsign: UBSEDS, Image ID: 08, Resolution: 16x384, Packet ID: 3
[11:23] <Ron_G8FJG> Its difficult aiming antenna when I can't see a signal
[11:23] <Ron_G8FJG> 26000 but very few now
[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Trust the tracker info
[11:25] <richardeoin> need another ~250 packets to make image 17
[11:25] <Ron_G8FJG> yes ,I kown my az el is ok to 1deg but I still have to "fiddle"
[11:25] <Ron_G8FJG> not from me
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> nor me :-(
[11:27] <Ron_G8FJG> and I'm back
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[11:28] <Ron_G8FJG> image 19 now...
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[11:30] <richardeoin> server has 94 packets from image 19 now
[11:30] <Ron_G8FJG> packet 590 upwards just started
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it the same 1/4gp on 869 as 434 on 20 ?
[11:31] <Ron_G8FJG> running on "fumes"
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[11:33] <Ron_G8FJG> Next job build a 869 lna with remote powerfeed , stick the antenna up the stick
[11:33] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: yup, same ground plane - one monopole for 869 and one for 144/434
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> right can't see them on the pictures was all!
[11:34] <richardeoin> hastily modeled in mmana-gal last night, seemed be okay :p
[11:34] <Ron_G8FJG> image 20
[11:34] <BubUK> greetings
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm debating putting a Ethernet fed Pi on the back of the aerial itself
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[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> to cut down co-ax losses
[11:35] <M0RJX> could someone try this on their gateway and see if it is in green rather than blue
[11:35] <M0RJX> https://github.com/rharrison/lora-gateway.git
[11:36] <Ron_G8FJG> I just use LDF4-50 its a bugger to rotate
[11:37] <BubUK> hand on, ill grab it
[11:37] <M0RJX> BubUK, cheers
[11:37] <M0RJX> should be as simple as git pull
[11:38] <BubUK> just compiling it
[11:38] <M0RJX> :-) You're a wiz at this by now :-)
[11:38] Nick change: fl__0 -> fl_0
[11:38] <BubUK> yes, it's green
[11:38] <M0RJX> cool do you putty?
[11:38] <BubUK> v1.7.18
[11:38] <M0RJX> yep
[11:39] <BubUK> on a mac so iterm/ssh
[11:39] <M0RJX> perfect even better
[11:39] <M0RJX> that mean it works there and in putty
[11:39] <BubUK> nice, what else it new apart form the colour ;-)
[11:39] <M0RJX> Oh fixes for the \r issue
[11:40] <BubUK> haha, not again!
[11:40] <M0RJX> I'm going to look at smb messages next
[11:40] <M0RJX> so hopefully get you sorted
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its all black on mine in the uop half
[11:40] <BubUK> i just cannot get uplink working. tried absolutely everything. looks simple enough but doesnt work
[11:40] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, thanks
[11:41] <M0RJX> could you echo $TERM from the prompt
[11:41] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, ^^
[11:41] <BubUK> http://imgur.com/IkcUVSV
[11:41] <M0RJX> I probably need to test for 256 capability
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just a blank line
[11:41] <BubUK> just buy a mac
[11:42] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, what are you using to view ?
[11:42] <M0RJX> Putty ?
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Putty
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> 256 mode
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[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> M0RJX,http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/LoRa/Capture.JPG
[11:45] <jakeio> I have 6 missed calls regarding my NOTAM, should I return the calls to all of them and say I've not launched?
[11:45] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, OK if you go into putty Connection>Data and set terminal-type string to putty-256color
[11:45] <M0RJX> I'm guessing you have this blank atm
[11:45] <BubUK> afk for10
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Under colours its xterm 256
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> see the image above
[11:46] <M0RJX> it just needs the terminal set
[11:46] <M0RJX> on the connection data parameter
[11:47] <M0RJX> then when you open the session and echo $TERM you should see putty-256color
[11:47] <M0RJX> basically this tells the ssh session the type of terminal you have connected
[11:47] <M0RJX> I can test this too and lokkk for 256 and revert if not set
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[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't see that option only under Window|Colours|Xterm 256
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[11:53] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, http://i.imgur.com/B81bvEQ.png
[11:54] <M0RJX> See under connection
[11:54] <M0RJX> you cant do this with the screen open
[11:54] <M0RJX> well not with the active connection
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup OK now, i spell colour not color
[11:54] <M0RJX> :-) american isms
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[11:54] <M0RJX> You in green ?
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[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes it is now
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> M0RJX,http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/LoRa/Capture.JPG
[11:55] <M0RJX> perfect :-)
[11:56] <M0RJX> Now everyone will know what version they are using
[11:56] <M0RJX> Will revert to black BG if no 256 support
[11:58] <PE2BZ> !flights
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03PS-68 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b3db)
[11:58] <PE2BZ> !payload 303d
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03UBSEDS19 10(303d) 03$$UBSEDS19 - no transmissions
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03UBSEDS20 10(303d) 03$$UBSEDS20 - 03RTTY 300 - 03434.61 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/850Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:59] <M0RJX> how long does stuff live in imagur
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> try searching the logs on here for links gong back in time ?
[12:00] <M0RJX> UPDATE: As of February 2015, Imgur now states that images are never deleted unless requested.
[12:01] <M0RJX> So i can add that link to my git info
[12:01] Action: Geoff-G8DHE looking for food....
[12:08] <edmoore> Found good
[12:08] <edmoore> Nice cafe in ox
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[12:12] <M0RJX> https://github.com/rharrison/lora-gateway/blob/master/README.md#25082016---v17 :-)
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[12:17] <BubUK> why is it that raspberry pi camera images are so crappy :- http://imgur.com/XdBjejq
[12:17] <BubUK> i have the ir filter on and it's still dreadful
[12:18] <BubUK> is there a way to correct at the gateway ?
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[12:37] <PE2BZ> BubUK good afternoon. Are you sure your camera is the ¨Pi Cam¨ and not the ¨Pi Noir ¨ camera ?
[12:39] <udat> uname -a
[12:40] <udat> macros on mobile ssh client and fat fingers ..
[12:41] <Upu> M0RJX: not enjoying the sun then :)
[12:41] <Upu> also BubUK have you peeled the sticker off the front of it ?
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[13:00] <M0RJX> Upu, not yet
[13:01] <M0RJX> managed to hand solder that board in the end
[13:01] <M0RJX> and my sma connect had the wrong dimensions for some reason
[13:01] <M0RJX> but the end sma's with there middle ground legs cut off worked perfectly
[13:02] <M0RJX> Upu, you need some kapon tape https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=kapton+tape&tbm=shop
[13:02] <M0RJX> Upu, :-)
[13:02] <M0RJX> just read your commend to BubUK
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[13:04] <M0RJX> Upu, see smelly box
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[13:23] <BubUK> pe2bz: its one of those stupid noir things. i have a Raspberry Pi v2.1 8 MP 1080p Camera Module on oder for delivery tomorrow!
[13:24] <BubUK> ive got the tracker with camera about half a mile away in a field - testing camera/pi/battery life/lora transmission
[13:26] <M0RJX> Upu, I still havn't managed to decode telem from AVA works fine with pits though mode 1
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> you can add an IR filter
[13:36] <PE2BZ> Hi BubUK I am at work atm and only read every now and then
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[13:44] <M0RJX> Upu, is the code kicking around for AVA?
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[13:46] <PE0SAT> !flights
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> 03PE0SAT: Current flights: 03UBSEDS19&20 434.610 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(303d), 03PS-68 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(b3db)
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[13:48] <Ron_G8FJG> volts are dropping
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[13:55] <craag> Impressive signal from UBSEDS, still loud and clear at 0.2 degrees on the websdr
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[14:03] <dbrooke> yes, I was still able to decode 300baud at the horizon, still pulling Contestia out of the noise at -0.2°
[14:04] <M0RJX> !TRACK UBSEDS19&20
[14:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS19&20
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[14:29] <Jerry> !dial ubseds20
[14:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS20 10(303d): 031000.007 MHz, 433.286065 MHz, 0.006 MHz, 434.60746 MHz, 434.608661 MHz
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[14:39] <PE2BZ> Hi. What´s the url to view the USBSEDS images ?
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/ two lonks at top
[14:42] <PE2BZ> Thanks !
[14:43] <PE2BZ> !payload UBSEDS19&20
[14:43] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:43] <PE2BZ> !payload UBSEDS19
[14:43] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03UBSEDS19 10(303d) 03$$UBSEDS19 - no transmissions
[14:43] <PE2BZ> !payload UBSEDS20
[14:43] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03UBSEDS20 10(303d) 03$$UBSEDS20 - 03RTTY 300 - 03434.61 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/850Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[15:18] <Maxell> gps lock lost?
[15:19] <richardeoin> yup, running low on solar power now
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[15:26] <craag> 450km, -0.4 elevation
[15:26] <craag> I think the best I've seen off the websdr was one of Leo's at -0.5
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JMHS after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JMHS
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[16:25] <M0RJX> any one near huddersfield?
[16:26] <M0RJX> richardeoin, You out ther
[16:26] <M0RJX> e
[16:26] <M0RJX> Did the gateway work fine for you ?
[16:27] <M0RJX> Airspy runs a little warm !
[16:29] <richardeoin> hey M0RJX
[16:29] <M0RJX> Hey
[16:29] <richardeoin> that change you made looked fine
[16:29] <M0RJX> looked or worked?
[16:30] <M0RJX> Not sure if you were using the gateway today
[16:30] <richardeoin> I haven't got anything to test it with now :p
[16:30] <M0RJX> Ahh ok cool
[16:30] <richardeoin> flying over France somewhere
[16:31] <M0RJX> If you have a sample bin file with the data I can parse it thought the gateway automatically
[16:31] <M0RJX> Infact you can too if you just copy it to a file called ssdv.bin and put it in the root folder with the gateway
[16:32] <M0RJX> when you start the gateway it will start posting those packets automatically
[16:33] <richardeoin> I have plenty of those :)
[16:33] <richardeoin> didn't know it did that, that's useful
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[16:43] <Upu> back now M0RJX
[16:44] <M0RJX> Hey Upu
[16:44] <M0RJX> Can you hear lora ?
[16:44] <Upu> SEC
[16:45] <M0RJX> 434.451 Mode 1
[16:45] <Upu> yeah can see it on the water fall clearly
[16:45] <M0RJX> if you git pull on my distro you should now go green if you have 256 colour terminal
[16:46] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/XFrIa
[16:46] <Upu> 1 sec thought I had 5 mins
[16:46] <Upu> I was wrong
[16:46] <M0RJX> lol
[16:47] <M0RJX> I've bricked on of those things, sorry
[16:48] <Upu> yeah receiving stuff
[16:51] <Herman-PB0AHX> come on lets him locken pffffff
[16:52] <Herman-PB0AHX> 4.12 volt
[16:54] <richardeoin> Herman-PB0AHX: :(
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[16:54] <richardeoin> there is also the backup tracker 434.615
[16:55] <richardeoin> every two minutes
[16:55] <Herman-PB0AHX> i know but i have 1 antenne
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[16:59] <daveake> ping M0RJX could you get my nick right in the gateway plz tvm
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[17:06] <M0RJX> daveake, on it now :-)
[17:07] <M0RJX> daveake, done
[17:07] <daveake> critical bug obv :)
[17:07] <daveake> ta
[17:07] <M0RJX> git pull
[17:07] <M0RJX> do you get the green version now ?
[17:07] <daveake> I'm going to start testing your version tomorrow
[17:07] <M0RJX> sms upload hasn't been tested at all
[17:07] <daveake> Sure, that's in the list of things to tedst
[17:13] <M0RJX> dave do you like the added real estate for LogMessage give you more info for debugging.
[17:13] <M0RJX> daveake, even ^^^
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[17:14] <michemto> hey
[17:14] <M0RJX> ho
[17:14] <PE2BZ> Hi
[17:14] <michemto> I got an issue... with my brain
[17:15] <michemto> I can't remember what's the model for sdr
[17:15] <michemto> i'll take a photo...
[17:15] <M0RJX> there are a few
[17:15] <M0RJX> Airspy is good
[17:15] <M0RJX> Ik
[17:15] <M0RJX> ok
[17:15] <michemto> no it's one of those cheap ones :D
[17:15] <PE2BZ> R820 ?
[17:15] <fsphil> rtlsdr
[17:15] <michemto> those 2832U-s are made of plastic
[17:15] <PE2BZ> Let´s see the photo
[17:15] <michemto> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_nkw=Realtek+RTL2832U&rt=nc
[17:15] <michemto> but it's metallic
[17:16] <PE2BZ> Those are a lot of antennas...
[17:16] <michemto> lol sure thing
[17:16] <michemto> http://puu.sh/qSKRS/b3c9aca723.jpg
[17:16] <michemto> here ya go
[17:17] <PE2BZ> That´s the RTL-SDR possibly with TXCO for 1 ppm and even possibly with switchable LNA power
[17:20] <PE2BZ> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/buy-rtl-sdr-dvb-t-dongles/
[17:22] <michemto> that's the thing - thanks :)
[17:22] <michemto> you're the best!
[17:22] <PE2BZ> np
[17:23] <PE2BZ> Friend = Friend + 1 ;-)
[17:23] <michemto> :)
[17:23] <fsphil> undefined variable Friend
[17:24] <PE2BZ> Andy would have commented Friend ++
[17:24] <PE2BZ> Set Friend = close to refrigerator
[17:24] <daveake> dim friend
[17:25] <PE2BZ> dim friend (8,2)
[17:25] <PE2BZ> 8 friends in 2 types ?
[17:25] <fsphil> let enemies = friends
[17:25] <daveake> 1 is enough
[17:25] <PE2BZ> daveake that way you don´t have trouble calling one ¨best friend¨
[17:27] <PE2BZ> lots of software needs nmi´s . Do they run on friends also ?
[17:29] <M0RJX> hum does anyone's leds work on the lora gateway?
[17:31] <daveake> they need configuring
[17:31] <M0RJX> yeah
[17:31] <M0RJX> So I see
[17:31] <PE2BZ> lora gateway is out of range for my eyes.
[17:31] <M0RJX> surly this should work by default with the gateway?
[17:31] <daveake> I've got a couple of gateway-in-a-box things, with LEDs in the cases
[17:31] <daveake> That's the only time I've used them
[17:32] <M0RJX> Right another fix about to arrive
[17:32] <daveake> At some point you need to stop changing stuff because I'm not going to step into merge-hell
[17:33] <daveake> Unless real work gets in the way, I want to start tomorrow
[17:42] <PE2BZ> s/n on ubseds19 is going down to -11 dB now. Time for some good condx
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[17:58] <Maxell> Oh still visable in the waterfall here
[17:59] <Maxell> going for a decode i hope next run
[17:59] <Maxell> or is it 20... without lock I am seeing?
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[18:18] <M0RJX> daveake, I'll create a new branch and you can stick to the master if you like
[18:18] <daveake> it'll still need merging if we're both making changes
[18:19] <daveake> Something which I would quite like to avoid
[18:19] <M0RJX> Yep I've got a huge on e coming where I've broken the code up into sections
[18:19] <M0RJX> lora, screen, config etc ...
[18:19] <M0RJX> with header files
[18:19] <daveake> Coming or started ?
[18:20] <M0RJX> started
[18:20] <M0RJX> well four hours on the plane
[18:20] <daveake> So no point me doing any changes then
[18:20] <M0RJX> no not really what do you have to do?
[18:20] <daveake> Interface changes to lora
[18:21] <daveake> Fix some things
[18:21] <daveake> e.g. 100% cpu
[18:21] <daveake> ssdv status
[18:21] <M0RJX> Done < 1% now :-)
[18:21] <daveake> whatever else I find in testing
[18:21] <daveake> I said days ago I was waitoing for the changes to stop
[18:22] <M0RJX> I can stop making changes for a while
[18:22] <daveake> We don't know if sms etc are broken
[18:22] <daveake> Please
[18:22] <daveake> This needs some stability
[18:22] <M0RJX> I've got work next week
[18:22] <daveake> next meaning tomorrow on, or next monday on?
[18:23] <M0RJX> Ive go to go to amsterdam and edinburgh this week
[18:23] <M0RJX> We're buying a business in amsterdam
[18:24] <daveake> merging is usually a pita, and if you're breaking the code down into more/smaller files, it's going to be worse
[18:24] <daveake> (merging)
[18:24] <M0RJX> Let me fix the LEDS and then I'll leave it
[18:24] <daveake> great, thanks
[18:25] <M0RJX> let me know when your done and I'll carry on
[18:25] <M0RJX> I've got some really cool changes to add for the future
[18:25] <daveake> Once I've done my testing and any resulting changes, and done the lcars interface changes, then you're very welcome to continue from that code
[18:25] <M0RJX> or I can merge back :-)
[18:25] <M0RJX> isn't that how it works ?
[18:27] <M0RJX> :q
[18:27] <M0RJX> opps
[18:27] <daveake> Also we should have a "proposed changes" list
[18:27] <daveake> so we don't step on each other's plans too much
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[18:30] <daveake> merging will be easier once the code is broken out into smaller files, so that should be a priority
[18:30] <M0RJX> I thouhght you just said it was worse ^^^
[18:31] <daveake> It is if we try to merge one version that's broken down, with another version that isn't
[18:31] <M0RJX> ahh yeah I wondered what you meand earlier
[18:31] <M0RJX> smaller file = easier in my book
[18:31] <daveake> ofc
[18:34] <Laurenceb__> anyone know what operation outward is?
[18:35] <PE2BZ> is ? Or was (in ww 2)
[18:38] <gonzo__> wikipedia has it
[18:39] <PE2BZ> All the best I am going 2 meter horizontally polarized.
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[18:42] <Laurenceb__> just looking at conference schedule
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[18:59] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: I've ordered one of those 868 yagis you linked to earlier
[18:59] <daveake> from Farnell Lite aka CPC, £41 (Farnell were £58)
[19:00] <Ian_> I think that with the Conference coming up, that daveake would like HIS project to be stable and on track before he gives his talk.
[19:01] <M0RJX> indeed
[19:01] <Ian_> Without it all being put in the mixer, for whatever good intention.
[19:01] <daveake> Yes but not to do with the conf
[19:02] <Ian_> Maybe not, but Rob does seem to have an awful lot of enthusiasm. Bit overpowering at times perhaps :)
[19:02] <M0RJX> I'm happy for it to go now
[19:03] <daveake> Well Rob has a lot more time and energy when his on his "hols" than I have when I'm supposed to be doing actual work :)
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[19:04] <Ian_> Just needs to have talks with you beforehand. I have had this vision of the bacon smoking and curling at the edges at times.
[19:05] <Ian_> Anyway, you are both doing sterling work, just as long as you ain't upsetting each other in the process.
[19:06] <M0RJX> Ian_, the way git works with forking is that you can take a project and go of in a different direction and if it's good it can be merged back up into the parent fork. If daveake doesn't like th changes then hes free to revoke them too
[19:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> daveakeman, sounds good on the aerial, if you need an adaptor to N type shout I ordered a couple so have a spare.
[19:07] <daveake> After my OCD-inspired let's-order-every-RF-adapter-known-to-man-then-put-them-in-a-tray, I think I have what I need :)
[19:07] <M0RJX> daveake, I like that approach too
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> :)
[19:09] <daveake> Which reminds me, someone should write a browser add-on that rings alarm bells and flashes the screen red if it looks like you're about to order RP-SMA by mistake
[19:09] <daveake> Saves that awful moment when a pack of plugs arrive and you realise the horror of your mistake
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[19:10] <M0RJX> daveake, http://i.imgur.com/ntYitf5.jpg
[19:11] <Vaizki> even better to just use them and realize range is shit because you mated two connectors where neither has a pin
[19:12] <daveake> https://twitter.com/daveake/status/725329930926567424
[19:12] <M0RJX> love it
[19:13] <M0RJX> Hey you have some I'm missing
[19:13] <daveake> Have another where X=coax cable type and Y=plug type
[19:13] <daveake> HAD some missing
[19:13] <daveake> oh misread
[19:14] <M0RJX> I need to write a unit testing script for the gateway soon
[19:14] <AndyEsser> careful
[19:15] <M0RJX> :-0
[19:15] <AndyEsser> those sorts of words are herecy in here :P
[19:15] <Vaizki> I have one of these to cover the holes in the matrix... http://m.ebay.com/itm/272143124886?_mwBanner=1
[19:15] <Vaizki> it rocks
[19:16] <M0RJX> but pricy !!!
[19:16] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: o0o0
[19:16] <daveake> yeah I ordered on ebay from China so not too costly
[19:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yay they work well don't they! I'm always chasing down the missing pairs!
[19:17] <M0RJX> daveake, china has been good for me recently
[19:17] <AndyEsser> can you link them all together to make some epicly long, but ultimately pointless, adapter?
[19:17] <daveake> ofc
[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Indeed, when your bored!
[19:18] <AndyEsser> haha
[19:18] <AndyEsser> I do that with travel adapters
[19:23] <Vaizki> pricey is relative, it makes me happy :)
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[19:59] <anunziante> Launching a ballon tomorrow . How to I enter it in the Tracker?
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[20:15] <AndyEsser> my whiteboard was a subject of discussion on Friday night for the stag do BBQ I had
[20:15] <AndyEsser> had a few engineers, a quantum physicist and a Dr in Physics there :)
[20:16] <Vaizki> did they criticize your Greek characters?
[20:18] <AndyEsser> ha no
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[20:18] <AndyEsser> they basically all laughed and went "You have some fucking hard maths ahead of you, good luck"
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[20:27] <Guest69900> dial
[20:28] <AndyEsser> Guest69900: what do you want the dial for?
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[20:31] <Guest69900> dial ubseds19
[20:31] <AndyEsser> !dial ubseds19
[20:31] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS19 10(303d): none
[20:32] <Guest69900> hi Andy, tried to receive ubseds19
[20:33] <AndyEsser> You'll need to consult the mailing list for the info as it doesn't look like it's been received recently
[20:35] <Guest69900> yes, it is just below my horizon at -0.8 degr. Signals from -0.5 degr. can be received here from UK balloons sometimes. As I see, the 1.5V battery is running low. Please see my location as DJ3AK on the map.
[20:40] <Guest69900> good night everybody.. Detlef - DJ3AK
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