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[02:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZFF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZFF-11
[02:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[04:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0SBU-12 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-12
[05:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[05:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:01] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:01] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[07:01] <PE2BZ> !track 64a5
[07:01] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=64a5
[07:02] <PE2BZ> !track UBSEDS18
[07:02] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[08:31] <M0RJX> daveake, Morning
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[09:08] <sp9skp> hello
[09:10] <sp9skp> can any told me if sending ascii telemetry to hab still works?
[09:10] <sp9skp> i get error on hab
[09:11] <daveake> should work. what error ?
[09:11] <sp9skp> INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] 'SP9SKP,16,05:55:53,49.97051,18.39704,00242,104,170,7*101C\n' (d335e053a53e22fc321b3fdf499f4c981d2460083b871e750141791d3276f785) from SP9SKP
[09:11] <sp9skp> DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantParse exception in UKHAS: CantParse
[09:11] <sp9skp> DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[09:12] <daveake> Missing the $$s at the start
[09:13] <sp9skp> with $$ it still don't work
[09:13] <sp9skp> $$ is'nt calculated to checksum?
[09:14] <daveake> No checksum is on everything after $$ and before the *
[09:14] <sp9skp> ok, so I calculate chechsum correctly
[09:14] <sp9skp> Parsing [ascii] '$$SP9SKP,16,05:55:53,49.97051,18.39704,00242,104,170,7*101C' (72fa0281718fc0ea5807b03664f2a7ae9624dadd4db58a95dc6ecc8ac6935792) from SP9SKP
[09:14] <sp9skp> DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantParse exception in UKHAS: CantParse
[09:14] <sp9skp> DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[09:15] <AndyEsser> do you have a payload doc?
[09:15] <mfa298> have you made a payload docement with matching callsigbn
[09:15] <sp9skp> yes
[09:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHAS after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
[09:17] <daveake> Well habitat seems to be working ^^
[09:19] <sp9skp> so, I must do something wrong, but I don't know now what. I test few months ago and all works ok,
[09:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Does it go green in dl-fldigi ?
[09:22] <fsphil> you need the \n too
[09:22] <fsphil> annoyingly
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Test1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Test1_chase
[09:24] <dbrooke> yes, checksum is OK but there's no \n
[09:24] <fsphil> you did on the first one you printed, but it had no $$ :)
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[09:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Now you have \\n not \n
[09:31] <sp9skp> yes, my mistake
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[09:36] <sp9skp> I don,t know why, but now I send onlu one \ an it send two \\
[09:37] <sp9skp> I run my tracker, it shuld be ok
[09:37] <fsphil> the \n is not meant to be a literal \n, it represents the newline character
[09:38] <sp9skp> yes, I know
[09:38] <sp9skp> INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] 'SP9SKP,0,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0*710A\n' (4de357ed3c3b58a3011e0898c89ded8dd754e7cfe58924c2058e1589cc96e6a7) from LoRa
[09:38] <sp9skp> but still DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[09:38] <fsphil> that one is missing the $$ at the beginning
[09:38] <sp9skp> wrrr ;)
[09:39] <fsphil> the $$ and \n are the framing of the ukhas string
[09:39] <sp9skp> I made to many changes ;) I do aprs & LoRa gaterway on esp8266 and tracker
[09:43] <sp9skp> It works!
[09:44] <sp9skp> Thanks for help
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[09:45] <sp9skp> it all was my mistakes, to many changes when I modified software on esp to receive images from my tracker
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[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
[10:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ZM-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5ZM-9_chase
[10:13] <Darkside> oh it did get GPS lock >_>
[10:13] <Darkside> cool
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[11:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[13:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NOTAFLIGHT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOTAFLIGHT
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[13:41] <fsphil> anyone here testing SSDV with the callsign SERENI?
[13:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HIRF-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-3
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[14:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HIRFW-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> https://home.cern/about/engineering/cryogenics-low-temperatures-high-performance
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> 'The LHC's cryogenic system requires 40,000 leak-tight pipe seals, 40 MW of electricity  10 times more than is needed to power a locomotive  and 120 tonnes of helium to keep the magnets at 1.9 K.
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[14:17] <gonzo__> what, no london bus or football field comparisons?
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah - Or african elephant.
[14:18] <AndyEsser> think they realise the people reading it are a bit more switched on that your usual member of the public
[14:18] <gonzo__> or swallows
[14:19] <AndyEsser> spits?
[14:19] <AndyEsser> err...
[14:19] <AndyEsser> wrong channel for that humour
[14:19] <AndyEsser> apologies
[14:19] <gonzo__> yep, ok. Everyone was thinking it, but someone had to say it!
[14:20] <gonzo__> for some reason I was thinking about the james may prog where they were flying a glider to france, well that wa sthe plan
[14:21] <gonzo__> the design was the 'slingsby swallow', and some muttered reference to the unbroadcastable google searches that resulted in the research
[14:22] <dbrooke> my first solo glider flight was in a Slingsby Swallow
[14:27] <gonzo__> pre google days? Otherwise the weight of smut woiuld have brought it down
[14:31] <dbrooke> 1979 I think, so yes
[14:34] <nick_> I think the quantity of Helium cooling the LHC magnets is significant on the scale of yearly production.
[14:34] <nick_> Although I failed to find a number to back that up.
[14:35] <AndyEsser> 175 million cubic metres annually
[14:35] <AndyEsser> according to this site:
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[14:35] <AndyEsser> http://www.gazprominfo.com/articles/helium/
[14:35] <AndyEsser> but take that with a pinch of salt
[14:36] <nick_> So that's ~30kT per year
[14:37] <nick_> (Assuming the internet can do these conversions for me)
[14:37] <nick_> So the LHC ~0.3% of a years worldwide supply.
[14:39] <nick_> In a similar way DUNE will need something like 5% of the yearly argon production
[14:40] <fsphil> the argon must flow
[14:40] <russss> lol
[14:40] <nick_> Although I think argon is somewhat cheaper.
[14:41] <nick_> There are a bunch of industrial uses.
[14:42] <russss> yeah, Argon is a renewable resource, helium isn't (for certain generally-accepted interpretations of "renewable")
[14:42] <russss> they just found a load more helium in Tanzania though which is good
[14:43] <russss> iirc the LHC recycles >90% of their helium though
[14:43] <russss> so although the amount which is in there is quite substantial, it's not a huge waste like party balloons
[14:44] <russss> apparently the LHC has 96 tonnes of helium, which is not as much as I'd expect
[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030532334800_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0532334800_chase
[14:47] <nick_> Yeah, the only worry at the LHC is if you unexpectedly quench a magnet, heat the helium too much and blow a hole in the helium circuit...
[14:48] <russss> well that only happened once so far, I don't know how much they lost
[14:48] <russss> presumably at most 1/5th as there are 5 separate cryo systems
[14:51] <nick_> I don't think it was even that much.
[14:51] <russss> here is their live status display. http://dashboard.web.cern.ch/LHC/index#CRYO/LHC_Cryo_Status
[14:52] <nick_> If there's one think LHC accelerator and detector operations like it's a screen full of green.
[14:52] <AndyEsser> \ha
[14:56] <nick_> I don't miss sitting starying at such screens.
[14:59] Action: AndyEsser looks at the wallboards in front of him
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[15:21] <sp9skp> once again today hello ;)
[15:22] <sp9skp> is there any possibility to debug ssdv on habhub?
[15:28] <fsphil> what's your problem?
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[15:31] <sp9skp> I made tracker with lora and I want to send images from them, right now I know that one byte is missing, but for future experiments it will be useful to watch if I made something wrong
[15:31] <fsphil> ah
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[15:32] <fsphil> no there is no logtail, but if you're using the rest api it should return a meaningful error message
[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8DQL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8DQL-11
[15:33] <fsphil> are you SERENI by any chance?
[15:34] <sp9skp> I forgot, I made tracker but at the same time I make LoRa gateway on esp8266, it have to small ram for use full api, but you have right, I run RPi to test them all together
[15:35] <sp9skp> thanks
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[16:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N6drc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N6drc_chase
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[19:25] <carlos_1> hi
[19:28] <mfa298> hi carlos_1
[19:29] <carlos_1> hi mfa298
[19:30] <carlos_1> do you know something about antennas
[19:30] <carlos_1> :)
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[19:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03jdd883_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=jdd883_chase
[19:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
[19:34] <mfa298> a bit, and many others do as well
[19:34] <mfa298> best bet is to just ask and anyone that can answer will do
[19:35] <mfa298> they'll likely appear shortly
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[19:37] <Ian_> No one has seen a positive question to answer yet.
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[19:39] <Ian_> what do you wish to know calos_1 ?
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[19:41] <carlos_1> well, i would to fly i have my pi in the sky. This is working but i dont know what kind of antennas to use
[19:43] <mfa298> !wiki payload_antenna
[19:43] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03payload_antenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[19:43] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Wiki page 03projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi?s[]=payload&amp;s[]=antenna
[19:44] <mfa298> that top link is what most people use on the payload
[19:44] <Ian_> 1/4 wave ground plane mounted on the bottom of the package. The radiation pattern will be down to the earth with a null in the direct overhead position
[19:44] <Ian_> ^^ as mfa298 says
[19:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SY3BFO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SY3BFO_chase
[19:47] <carlos_1> ok I get it
[19:48] <carlos_1> that is for a vehicle and antenna for a base station
[19:55] <Ian_> For a vehicle a 70cm Mag mount Ham antenna and for base station use a Diamond X50 co-linear or Watson equivalent.
[19:56] <Ian_> I described earlier the antenna for the tracker
[19:56] <Ian_> afk sked time!
[20:09] <Upu> M0RJX: ping
[20:09] <M0RJX> Pong
[20:12] <Vaizki> snap, crackle & pop
[20:14] <carlos_1> thank you so much
[20:14] <russss> STEREO-B is back after 2 years https://twitter.com/dsn_status/status/767805478122455046
[20:14] <russss> I missed the first contact yesterday, because I don't follow my stupid noisy bot
[20:15] <russss> that link budget has improved somewhat (IIRC -197dBm is dead on the noise floor for that dish)
[20:16] <russss> probably the most significant thing my bot has ever tweeted and I missed it.
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[20:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> I saw that - awesome
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> One wonders what the propellant status is now
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[20:19] <russss> hopefully minimal change if it's been stuck in safe mode. I forget what happened with it, iirc they weren't really sure
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[20:22] <russss> I feel like I'm going to be watching them doing doppler ranging for the next 8 hours but I feel obliged to follow the feed now
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[20:28] <SpeedEvil> A laser gyro died as it was in safe mode, which may have lead to it spinning up and using much propellant.
[20:28] <russss> yeah I just read up to it
[20:28] <russss> thruster firings were limited to 7 minutes though, then it would have given up
[20:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03pcjain_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=pcjain_chase
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[22:07] <Laurenceb__> what the heck
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> cold day in hell?
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[22:57] <M0RJX> the lora-gateway is nearly ready for a big test. Sending packets up a 5 per second now with no lost packets. SSDV or Telemetry
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:12] <fsphil> nice work
[23:19] <russss> I'm in a twisty maze of GPS precise positioning info at the moment
[23:19] <russss> my GPS surveys of the EMF site this year were insufficiently precise for my liking...
[23:36] <Laurenceb__> M0RJX: whats the link budget?
[23:36] <russss> I can totally turn my EMF badge into a survey grade GPS receiver for £50.
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